Post by boraddict on Sept 5, 2021 22:16:33 GMT -6
However, the quotes that you provide pertain to angels and I will do my best to explain both quotes in light of what I believe.
The gospel is quite simple; God has children and He created a planet that we, his children, could live and prove ourselves: some proving to follow Christ and some proving to follow Satan. Thus, we must choose and establish a record (ie. book) proving ourselves one way or another. Side note: the book for those following Christ is called the Book of Life and they are listed in the book before they were born upon this earth.
So we are born into mortality, and then we choose either Christ or Satan, and then we die the physical death. This is the norm and there are a number of individuals such as infants and children and others that are in special circumstances outside the norm. So I am only speaking about the traditional blueprint of mortal life and death and our choices of either Christ or Satan.
So, based upon our choice we can either live with Christ forever or live with Satan forever; and that is it. So let's consider the quotes above in light of what I believe:
1) "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born." In this quote I am saying that any scriptural reference to an angel is in fact a scriptural reference to a person. That is, some angels are people that have not yet been born into mortality, and, some angels are people that have been born into mortality and died the physical death. Thus, this quote is consistent with my belief that we all must live the mortal life and die the physical death.
2) "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." In this quote I am saying that angels and mankind are different in that while they appear as human they are in fact not in mortality. Like the previous quote this is consistent with my belief that we all must live the mortal life and die the physical death.
I am sorry for not writing more clearly and I will try to be better at explaining myself.
The whole idea of angels existing outside the mortal reference is false doctrine to me. There is only pre-mortal, mortal, and post-mortal, nothing else. In each state of existence we make the choice to follow Christ or follow Satan. There is no other choice. Angels are individuals that have chosen Christ and their counterpart, the demons, are individuals that have chosen Satan. My older brother is of the latter group and he will forever be spiritually dead. Unless, he takes the step toward repentance, then he can be born again into spiritual life. But for now his service is that of a demon. In my texts to my sister I do not say his name but just "the devil" because that is who he is to me. Like, "can you believe how the devil screamed at our mother at that family reunion. In front of everyone that she was not his mother making her cry tears of rejection." That is a devil whereas the consolation of her sisters were those of angels. Big difference.
yardstick, the above stated belief is just a quick summary and volumes of detail was left out. For example, God knows all things throughout all time and he know all whom will ever be in the book of life from the beginning. So, although everyone has not been born upon this earth that are in the book of life from the beginning, they are all in that book. God having known who will and who will not accept the Savior for salvation. Second to that is the record of those in the book that appears to have every thought and action recorded as well as their act of accepting Lord Jesus' payment on their behalf. This is an enormous subject and I do not know how it all goes together.
Waiting for the hammer to fall.
