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Post by barb84 on Nov 24, 2017 21:19:59 GMT -6
Ugh. I don't even what to say.
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 26, 2017 16:53:46 GMT -6
Will disagree with you here.... Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49-50. Behold, this was the iniquity of Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, &c. — The inhabitants of Sodom “abused that plenty which God gave them to pride and idleness, which gave rise to those enormities that they afterward were guilty of. Pride; a haughty mind, swelled with the excellency, beauty, and grandeur of their state, and vaunting of it above their neighbors. Fulness of bread, i.e. luxury, and riotous excess in eating and drinking: their plenty was not their sin, but they made it occasion of sin to themselves; they were very intemperate in their diet. Abundance of idleness; every thing so plentiful, that they little regarded to employ themselves, but were idle and slothful, or deeply secure in their peace, plenty, and honor, neither feared God’s wrath or man’s sword; the first was the fault of particular sinners, the latter was the sin and fault of the community. Neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy; she refused to help strangers, as appearance in the history of the angels’ entertainment, nor was she mindful of helping the poor with counsel and defence; they were unmerciful and hard-hearted toward the poor amongst them. This was a great sin to those that abounded in wealth, as the Sodomites did. ========= We are told over and over again, by people like Chuck Missler -- let the Bible interpret itself Well the Bible tells us specifically what the "SIN" is -- PRIDE -- the very sin that is said to be the reason Lucifer fell.... Do we see those "sins" today --- From rock stars -- to even famous Pastors -- who promote the prosperity gospel .... That God wants everyone to be wealthy and healthy..... Yet, the poor get told -- to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.... Hello Friends, Actually you both are correct - claire and kjs . Ezekiel lists selfishness, pride, arrogance, idleness, and apathy/ lack of compassion, but Jude also clearly states that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah practiced sexual perversion/ immorality/ homosexuality. Even the word Sodomy/ sodomite has the same meaning - even in other languages that are not romance languages, and the story of Sodom and the connection to homosexuality spans continents. Besides, we have the record of scripture that the men of the city even tried to rape the angels/messengers, and they were so aggressive and pressing the door that the angels struck them with blindness. The point is that it was a very wicked city - with all sorts of evil, from pride, selfishness, idleness, fornication, homosexuality, etc, etc - which is remarkably like the USA today. One common thing is that people are calling good evil and evil good. Those who speak against homosexuality are called haters and bigots, and intolerant, and even those who simply affirm Biblical marriage - [one man/ one woman] are being targeted and boycotted [Chick-fil-A, others]. Never thought I would see the day when JC Penney and public companies [Starbucks, etc, etc] would advertise with homosexual couples.
I'm convinced that there was something more/ something different about these two cities - and why Christ used these to compare to the Rapture. We may never know for sure. There were scores of other wicked cities, Corinth was a cesspool of wickedness and debauchery, along with countless others. The other thing that is very striking with these two - It's much more than the fact that people were buying and selling - taking their kids to soccer/ chariot practice. - Sodom and Gomorrah were two cities - The Flood of Noah was the whole earth. ** It's impossible to have the waters going 15 cubits. [Appr 22 feet] above all the highest hills and being a regional flood.
- I'm still so intrigued by the passage in I Thes, where Paul says "For you are not Children of the Night - Children of the Day, so that Day will not surprise you - like a thief." - The Thief in the Night was a well-known metaphor for the High Priest who came through the temple in the night watch. If he found a priest who had fallen asleep on the night watch, he would take some of the coals from the alter, and put them on his clothes. The priest would wake up to find his clothes on fire, tear them off and run in the court naked. **Those asleep - not watching - not alert. I would like to hear more about the notion by J D Farag, and yardstick , others, that the Isaiah 17 passage [Damascus being made desolate - uninhabitable] coming before Ezekiel 38/39. ** I don't mean on this thread, but maybe they could point me to another thread where it's explained. ;-)
Blessings, Disciple4life.
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 27, 2017 19:17:35 GMT -6
More fables and myths designed to lower the spiritual IQ of those being programmed. Horrible. But the programming is everywhere. I mean like 30% of contestants on Jeapardy are gay. Why? With 1% of the population. That's ridiculous. Not that I watch Jeapardy. I am always here on unsealed. Also palladin56. I love the icon you are using for your identity. It focuses on Pentecost and if there is one thing that God wanted me to do in coming here is to get watchers focused on Pentecost. I have an article roaming around here somewhere called "14 Reasons..." Also this is a different version. www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2017/dennisw1126-1.htmBlessings. |
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Post by witness1 on Dec 1, 2017 12:38:53 GMT -6
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Post by Natalie on Dec 1, 2017 13:47:21 GMT -6
That's amazing! Thanks for sharing that with us. I love the picture of the double rainbow that was actually four.
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 3, 2021 7:59:58 GMT -6
Gary, Hoping my post isn't too long! I have a hypothesis that I would like to share with everyone, but first I would like to say thanks to Gary and Jeff for both the “Unsealed” website and now a Facebook page. Both are places where believers are able to encourage each other in the faith and where non-believers can learn the “Good News” and why we, as believers, are certain that we live in the end days. After listening to Gary and Jeff’s latest video a thought occurred to me that I would like to share. Que the music….. You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension— a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. That's the signpost up ahead— your next stop, the Twilight Zone! Rod Serling - 1959 The Bible tells us in Matthew 24:37-39 KJV 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Genesis 6 tells us what those days were like. 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Just about anyone you speak to will agree that the world is at least as sinful, if not more sinful, then it was in the days of Noah. However, that is only a part of the picture being painted in Genesis 6. Of the first five verses only one deals with sinfulness and the remaining verses talk of the fallen angels who took wives from amongst men and conceived children who were the great giants of old or Nephilim. Many biblical scholars and/or ministers believe that this interbreeding may have been the primary issue that caused God to destroy the world by a flood. If Satan could achieve his goal of polluting the entire worlds genetic material through interbreeding then he could present the Messiah from coming by making it impossible for an innocent “seed of the woman” to be born. The reason God saved Noah and his family is because he, “was a just man and perfect in his generations” which is interpreted as meaning his family line, or DNA, was not polluted from the interbreeding of mankind and the fallen angels. So, if the days before the return of the Son of man are to be as the days of Noah, where are the Nephilim that were spoken of? Wouldn’t the world’s DNA need to be as polluted today as it was in Noah’s day to fulfill this prophecy? Some might argue that Jesus was merely referencing Noah’s generation as symbolic for how sinful the world would be at the time of his return. If that were true than why not say instead say, “But as the days of Lot were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”? No, I believe Jesus said precisely what was to happen. Nothing more and nothing less. Ok, let’s shift into first gear and discuss the almost universal belief that UFO’s and thus alien life (fallen angels) exists and that we may have already been working with them in the development of new technologies. Have we developed an interbreeding program with them that might constitute fulfillment of that portion of the prophecy? Possibly, but wouldn’t it take generations and generations to achieve the same level of DNA pollution believed to exist in Noah’s day? That doesn’t fit the timeline of us being the last generation. Many end-time believers even think that the emergence of aliens will coincide with the rapture and maybe their appearance will be presented to the world as the reason behind the Rapture. So, let’s shift into second gear and discuss COVID and Messenger RNA (mRNA)! According to the CDC, “COVID-19 vaccines don't affect DNA, and messenger RNA never enters your cells’ nucleus. The mRNA instructs your cells how to build immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19.” However, the “vaccine” doesn’t work against a mutating virus which then requires booster shot after booster shot to hopefully stay ahead of the virus. All of this while debate goes on as to just how deadly the virus actually is. Many contend that the drop-off in flu deaths, heart attack deaths etc. equal the supposed deaths from COVID and that actual COVID related deaths (look at Sweden as an example) are no greater than annual flu related deaths. Ok, if the mRNA vaccine isn’t truly the cure that it’s purported to be, might it have some other purpose? Let’s shift this baby into third gear and wrap this up. My hypothesis is this: Contact with Aliens (fallen angels) will be made known to the world at large shortly. However, unknown to us, contact with aliens has already occurred and that the development of the mRNA vaccine was developed with them using their technology. The aliens by a struck of luck will be immune to COVID and by another stroke of luck, the mRNA vaccine can be easily modified to tune-up our DNA using theirs. This tune-up will not only make us immune to COVID, but possibly hundreds of other diseases as well! Hallelujah! It’s a modern miracle! People who have already been conditioned to get the vaccine will que up to receive the new vaccine by the millions. Now the world is finally like the days of Noah and whoops, where did all of those (awful Christian) people disappear to? Don’t fear our alien brothers assure us. Some defect in our DNA has made us incompatible with the vaccine and our presence endangers the rest of humanity. So, we have been relocated to their ships/planet or somewhere else where we will be safe until they can create a vaccine that works with our DNA. Once we receive the new vaccine we will be safely reunited with our families. Finally shifting into fourth gear, the aliens offer to help us resolve all of our other world problems like, hunger, poverty and war which are all symptomatic of too many pesky governments and religions. One government and one religion is all we need! Woohoo, life is going to be good in the New World Order!
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Post by sog on Sept 3, 2021 10:08:35 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 3, 2021 11:11:42 GMT -6
Hello palladin56 I have a question about this At least as sinful if not more? How can we know this? We have very limited text to point us to this conclusion I ask because in my experience with people, including those on this site, I dont see that EVERY intention of the heart is evil CONTINUALLY.
So can you help me as to how you arrive at this conclusion?
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Post by boraddict on Sept 3, 2021 12:30:53 GMT -6
Hello palladin56 I have a question about this At least as sinful if not more? How can we know this? We have very limited text to point us to this conclusion I ask because in my experience with people, including those on this site, I dont see that EVERY intention of the heart is evil CONTINUALLY.
So can you help me as to how you arrive at this conclusion?
, that is a tough call. Because, as I interact with people, the intention of their hearts seems to be the welfare of their families. There are those who are totally evil but they are not the majority. I think those that are purely evil are perhaps one in one hundred or something like that. So the question seems to be What is the definition of evil within the context of this verse (6:5). Is the script saying that evil is the rejection of Christ? After all, those who reject Christ have only one choice remaining and that is Satan. So, it may be the case that the verse pertains to that; that all the people rejecting Christ have chosen Satan (Evil). If that conclusion is correct then after the rapture all the remaining people will fit the definition of the verse. Although, the majority will simply be concerned with the welfare of their families, and they will not by definition be evil; nevertheless, they will have chosen Satan (evil). Thus, the intention of the thoughts of their hearts will be evil continually. On another note, the mixing of metaphors like "the rivers have dried up and the fish have died" where rivers and fish in the text represent people having died, is a common characteristic of Ezekiel. I have always stayed away from Ezekiel because he changed up his metaphors and this tidbit of understanding helps me to come to terms with that. On another note, there are no space ships, no aliens from other planets, no nothing nada. That doctrine is simply a wedge of confusion to those having a limited knowledge of scripture. palladin56 said: I have not researched the "giants" as referenced in the above text but just going off the cuff I would say that "giants" in that script has some application the linguistic devises like metaphor and so forth. So while it is true that giants did exist and this is proved by fossil evidence, and the same is true for dinosaurs; the dinosaurs were not imported to the earth from an alien species and neither were the giants. No, these were all home grown giants and dinosaurs right here upon this planet, but before the firmament fell that caused Noah's flood. So it appears to be the case that "fallen angels" is metaphor for men who rejected Christ. During the pre-flood era the earth was a giant terrarium with a dome covering created by the firmament (Gen. 1:6-7). It was during this time that these gigantic things existed and Noah lived during this time, as well as after the firmament fell. The fall of the firmament caused the flood and that water from the fall of the firmament pressed apart the tectonic plates on the earth resulting in the continents that we have today. The reverse will occur when the earth is burned restoring the firmament to the pre-flood conditions. Some of this is my personal opinion. |
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 3, 2021 15:01:34 GMT -6
mike, Since I believe that signs all around us indicate we are the generation that will see the return of our Messiah and the bible clearly says the world will be like the days of Noah when the Lord returns, I can only conclude that the world is already or rapidly approaching the point where man is as sinful now as in Noah's day.
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 3, 2021 15:05:38 GMT -6
boraddict, I don't believe there are aliens per se, only that Satan and his angels will masquerade as aliens. Of course, another way to look at angels is that since they aren't of this earth and not human then they are aliens. It's a matter semantics.
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Post by boraddict on Sept 3, 2021 16:22:56 GMT -6
palladin56 that is funny.  By that definition we are all aliens. So I have often considered the idea of angels mixing with mankind and to me is natural since I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born and an example of this is like the Savior that was at the beginning with the father and then born into mortality 2,000 years ago. Others are people that have lived their mortal lives and an example of this is the mount of transfiguration. So to me there are two types of angels, those not yet born into mortality and those that have been born into mortality but passed. Some of those have not passed and an example of those is Elijah. So this makes three types of angels and a fourth is the work of love and kindness from one person to another. Like a woman that I know that was in a car accident and someone came to save her from the fall from her car to the highway below. She told me that the man encouraged her to hang on, the seat belt was holding her in the car, the door was open and she was looking down to her death. The man kept telling her to stay where she was and help was on the way. That man was her guardian angel at that time of need. So there are four types of angels. The idea of God creating some other type of being other than mankind is a false doctrine; to me. Because, we are made in his image; we are his children. Like some foreign thing that is not his children like a dog or cat is simply not made in his image. Since he knew all things from the beginning then he had in his plan to create his children and some of those would fulfill missions to be called as angels to their fellow brothers and sister. Additionally, this concept holds for the seraphim and other types that are referenced throughout scripture. These are people that have some service that may be to their brothers and sisters or they may have some completely other calling. At any rate, all these are simply the sons and daughters of God IMO. So basically believing that there are mystical creatures is like believing in unicorns. They both are in scripture but are to be considered in more of a metaphorical context rather than a literal context. IMO
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Post by Natalie on Sept 3, 2021 17:24:56 GMT -6
boraddict, I am not sure what you are saying is Biblical. Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings. (Like the ones that appeared at the empty tomb). But they are not flesh and blood like mankind. Humans don't become angels. We become humans in incorruptible bodies - glorified bodies, immortal bodies - whatever term you'd like. I know there is a Scripture that says we will be like angels, but it clarifies what it means by saying that in our glorified bodies we will not marry. Angels do not marry or procreate. And there will be no need for us to either once we go to heaven. Angels are not people who have not been born yet. That is not orthodox teaching. None of us existed before we were conceived by our parents. Jesus did because He is God and eternal. Similarly, Elijah is still Elijah. My grandmother who passed away or my FIL are still humans. They are now in immortality, but they did not become angels. Yes, angels are called God's messengers and people can also be God's messengers but that doesn't mean people = angels. We may say to someone who did something kind or wonderful for us, "You are such an angel," but that's just a figure of speech. Spiritual beings do not mean mystical creatures. They just reside in the spiritual realm (unless God wants them to / lets them make their presence known).
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Post by mike on Sept 3, 2021 17:54:24 GMT -6
mike, Since I believe that signs all around us indicate we are the generation that will see the return of our Messiah and the bible clearly says the world will be like the days of Noah when the Lord returns, I can only conclude that the world is already or rapidly approaching the point where man is as sinful now as in Noah's day. I can see we are headed there, and believe one day the world does get there. I also believe that as the Day approaches things will become much more intense and frequent. boraddict makes a good point too. I dont see this... Yet but this is when we will bora Luke 17:28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 3, 2021 18:39:18 GMT -6
mike , Since I believe that signs all around us indicate we are the generation that will see the return of our Messiah and the bible clearly says the world will be like the days of Noah when the Lord returns, I can only conclude that the world is already or rapidly approaching the point where man is as sinful now as in Noah's day. I can see we are headed there, and believe one day the world does get there. I also believe that as the Day approaches things will become much more intense and frequent. boraddict makes a good point too. I dont see this... Yet but this is when we will bora Luke 17:28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— 30 so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. The covid shot seems to building toward becoming the mark of the beast. And as a world population here upon the earth, we have accepted that the shot is the way to proceed. So, as each variant comes forth then the people not taking the shot are blamed for the next generation of covid mutation. Whereas, those receiving the shot spread their covid shot via sheading to others causing mutated versions of the virus (IMO). And so it goes on and on until the governments demand that everyone must have proof of getting the latest version of the covid shot. It is then that the covid shot becomes the mark of the beast. Then, as the shot becomes the mark of the beast, and people get the covid shot to be inline with that beast, we will as a world population have chosen Satan over Christ. Then, we must close our doors and so forth like Noah to be lifted up from the earth; and this is the rapture. And why have we chosen Satan over Christ? Because we go along with the governments that require that our conviction to the government over our conviction to Christ. At some point our lives will be on the line for that conviction. So what happens to cause this change from simply getting the shot to being killed for not taking the shot. The it will be as the days of Noah and the world burned as was the case with Lot. (Perhaps) |
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By that definition we are all aliens.