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Post by palladin56 on Sept 4, 2021 13:27:13 GMT -6
boraddict, You're contradicting yourself. In one post you say, "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born" and then in another post you say, "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." Which is it? Your understanding of angels is seriously flawed.
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 4, 2021 13:30:48 GMT -6
mike, So, you don't believe that we are in the end days? Why do you subscribe to a site that is dedicated to that proposition?
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Post by Natalie on Sept 4, 2021 16:27:03 GMT -6
boraddict , You're contradicting yourself. In one post you say, "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born" and then in another post you say, "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." Which is it? Your understanding of angels is seriously flawed. Your last quote was from me addressing bora's post.  |
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Post by mike on Sept 4, 2021 20:14:51 GMT -6
mike , So, you don't believe that we are in the end days? Why do you subscribe to a site that is dedicated to that proposition?
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
No not quite, but maybe you and I don't understand the last days the same way.
What is your concern as to why I am on this site? Have I said something that didn't belong or breaks a rule?
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Post by boymaker3 on Sept 5, 2021 10:36:44 GMT -6
mike , So, you don't believe that we are in the end days? Why do you subscribe to a site that is dedicated to that proposition? You're being rude. Show more grace or change your avatar to a pitchfork. Mike is a pillar here. A solid and true brother in Christ who contributes significantly. He doesn't need to agree with you to belong here. |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 5, 2021 11:36:20 GMT -6
boraddict , You're contradicting yourself. In one post you say, "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born" and then in another post you say, "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." Which is it? Your understanding of angels is seriously flawed. , I often contradict myself and that is the beauty of scripture research as I see it. So I admit that some things can be explained one way and then another. In fact, I think that the entire Book of Revelation has multiple ways of interpretation that are all equally viable. The best example is Chapter 6 that can be viewed as spanning six one-thousand-year periods of time, also this chapter can be viewed as existing within the seven years of tribulation as well as existing within the first 3.5 years of that tribulation. This chapter (6) can also be explained a number of other ways with each explanation having validity to some degree or another. However, the quotes that you provide pertain to angels and I will do my best to explain both quotes in light of what I believe. The gospel is quite simple; God has children and He created a planet that we, his children, could live and prove ourselves: some proving to follow Christ and some proving to follow Satan. Thus, we must choose and establish a record (ie. book) proving ourselves one way or another. Side note: the book for those following Christ is called the Book of Life and they are listed in the book before they were born upon this earth. So we are born into mortality, and then we choose either Christ or Satan, and then we die the physical death. This is the norm and there are a number of individuals such as infants and children and others that are in special circumstances outside the norm. So I am only speaking about the traditional blueprint of mortal life and death and our choices of either Christ or Satan. So, based upon our choice we can either live with Christ forever or live with Satan forever; and that is it. So let's consider the quotes above in light of what I believe: 1) "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born." In this quote I am saying that any scriptural reference to an angel is in fact a scriptural reference to a person. That is, some angels are people that have not yet been born into mortality, and, some angels are people that have been born into mortality and died the physical death. Thus, this quote is consistent with my belief that we all must live the mortal life and die the physical death. 2) "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." In this quote I am saying that angels and mankind are different in that while they appear as human they are in fact not in mortality. Like the previous quote this is consistent with my belief that we all must live the mortal life and die the physical death. I am sorry for not writing more clearly and I will try to be better at explaining myself. The whole idea of angels existing outside the mortal reference is false doctrine to me. There is only pre-mortal, mortal, and post-mortal, nothing else. In each state of existence we make the choice to follow Christ or follow Satan. There is no other choice. Angels are individuals that have chosen Christ and their counterpart, the demons, are individuals that have chosen Satan. My older brother is of the latter group and he will forever be spiritually dead. Unless, he takes the step toward repentance, then he can be born again into spiritual life. But for now his service is that of a demon. In my texts to my sister I do not say his name but just "the devil" because that is who he is to me. Like, "can you believe how the devil screamed at our mother at that family reunion. In front of everyone that she was not his mother making her cry tears of rejection." That is a devil whereas the consolation of her sisters were those of angels. Big difference. |
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Post by Natalie on Sept 5, 2021 11:44:50 GMT -6
boraddict , You're contradicting yourself. In one post you say, "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born" and then in another post you say, "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." Which is it? Your understanding of angels is seriously flawed. . 2) "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." . Except, I am the one that said this quote. |
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Post by Natalie on Sept 5, 2021 11:54:57 GMT -6
The whole idea of angels existing outside the mortal reference is false doctrine to me. There is only pre-mortal, mortal, and post-mortal, nothing else. In each state of existence we make the choice to follow Christ or follow Satan. There is no other choice. Angels are individuals that have chosen Christ and their counterpart, the demons, are individuals that have chosen Satan. . Sorry, but this is not biblical. |
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 5, 2021 12:41:44 GMT -6
mike, boymaker3, Mike, I was just wondering what the motivation would be, to be a member of a group with which you disagree. boymaker3, I think, considering the context of the conversation, my question was not inappropriate nor was it presented in a negative way. Your response however was exactly what you claimed mine to be. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from interjecting yourself in that manner in the future.
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 5, 2021 12:49:43 GMT -6
Natalie, It looked like all on block of text to me and not two separate ones. Sorry
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Post by palladin56 on Sept 5, 2021 12:52:02 GMT -6
boraddict, Can you provide bible verses to explain how you arrived at your beliefs concerning angels? I've never heard this view expressed before.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 5, 2021 13:52:51 GMT -6
boraddict , You're contradicting yourself. In one post you say, "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born" and then in another post you say, "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." Which is it? Your understanding of angels is seriously flawed. , I often contradict myself and that is the beauty of scripture research as I see it. So I admit that some things can be explained one way and then another. In fact, I think that the entire Book of Revelation has multiple ways of interpretation that are all equally viable. The best example is Chapter 6 that can be viewed as spanning six one-thousand-year periods of time, also this chapter can be viewed as existing within the seven years of tribulation as well as existing within the first 3.5 years of that tribulation. This chapter (6) can also be explained a number of other ways with each explanation having validity to some degree or another. However, the quotes that you provide pertain to angels and I will do my best to explain both quotes in light of what I believe. The gospel is quite simple; God has children and He created a planet that we, his children, could live and prove ourselves: some proving to follow Christ and some proving to follow Satan. Thus, we must choose and establish a record (ie. book) proving ourselves one way or another. Side note: the book for those following Christ is called the Book of Life and they are listed in the book before they were born upon this earth. So we are born into mortality, and then we choose either Christ or Satan, and then we die the physical death. This is the norm and there are a number of individuals such as infants and children and others that are in special circumstances outside the norm. So I am only speaking about the traditional blueprint of mortal life and death and our choices of either Christ or Satan. So, based upon our choice we can either live with Christ forever or live with Satan forever; and that is it. So let's consider the quotes above in light of what I believe: 1) "I believe that the scriptural reference to angels is to mankind. That is, some angels are people who have not yet been born." In this quote I am saying that any scriptural reference to an angel is in fact a scriptural reference to a person. That is, some angels are people that have not yet been born into mortality, and, some angels are people that have been born into mortality and died the physical death. Thus, this quote is consistent with my belief that we all must live the mortal life and die the physical death. 2) "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." In this quote I am saying that angels and mankind are different in that while they appear as human they are in fact not in mortality. Like the previous quote this is consistent with my belief that we all must live the mortal life and die the physical death. I am sorry for not writing more clearly and I will try to be better at explaining myself. The whole idea of angels existing outside the mortal reference is false doctrine to me. There is only pre-mortal, mortal, and post-mortal, nothing else. In each state of existence we make the choice to follow Christ or follow Satan. There is no other choice. Angels are individuals that have chosen Christ and their counterpart, the demons, are individuals that have chosen Satan. My older brother is of the latter group and he will forever be spiritually dead. Unless, he takes the step toward repentance, then he can be born again into spiritual life. But for now his service is that of a demon. In my texts to my sister I do not say his name but just "the devil" because that is who he is to me. Like, "can you believe how the devil screamed at our mother at that family reunion. In front of everyone that she was not his mother making her cry tears of rejection." That is a devil whereas the consolation of her sisters were those of angels. Big difference. Just to make sure I am clear: the above is what you believe. Correct? |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 5, 2021 13:59:38 GMT -6
mike , boymaker3 , Mike, I was just wondering what the motivation would be, to be a member of a group with which you disagree. boymaker3, I think, considering the context of the conversation, my question was not inappropriate nor was it presented in a negative way. Your response however was exactly what you claimed mine to be. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from interjecting yourself in that manner in the future. For future reference, It is possible to put multiple quotes within a single post, so that you may address several people's comments all at once. Among other things, this may prevent the misunderstanding that resulted in your above statement. It is possible that due to timing, others may indeed also have a misunderstanding with what you have posted. In fact it is very likely that boymaker3 's response to you was a matter of ill-timing, as you had not yet responded with your apology. Lastly, may I remind you that christian charity suggests that each of you take into consideration the others's possible misunderstanding; and rather than firing off a statement of accusation (recall who the accuser is), you consider asking a question for clarification? |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 5, 2021 21:43:05 GMT -6
. 2) "Angels and mankind are two very different sets of beings. Angels are spiritual beings although they may appear to humans as humanlike beings." . Except, I am the one that said this quote. , that is so very funny. |
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Post by boraddict on Sept 5, 2021 22:03:51 GMT -6
boraddict , Can you provide bible verses to explain how you arrived at your beliefs concerning angels? I've never heard this view expressed before. I have many such beliefs that are not readily explained by scripture. Because, I follow a self based style of interpretation; I guess. I look at the metaphors and types & shadows, and similes and parallels and things like that. So I can not provide off the top of my head scripture to support my belief on the subject of angels. Only that I have that belief. To me there is nothing more than what we can see here upon the earth right now. We have good and evil, love and hate, living and dead, men and women, and not mankind and angels. However, that parallel is angels and demons. Adolph Hitler was a demon. Lucifer is a demon. And on the on the other side of the parallel, Christ is an angel. Not that he is an angel in the literal sense of the word, but that he is when placing him into this parallel. Thus, Moses was an angel and so forth. However, in Rev. 14:14-20 there is evidence that Lord Jesus is referred to as an angel. Again, not that he is really an angel, but for the purposes of those verses the metaphorical reference to the Savior is that he is an angel; metaphorically speaking that is. |
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