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Post by uscgvet on Jan 31, 2020 13:46:27 GMT -6
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
As a Jew/Gentile (***Believer***) The power of the law (death) has no effect over you whatsoever in Christ. So no... "not to us as Gentiles". But we are taught as believers in Christ to Love God and love our neighbor as our self, as this fulfills the law (Romans 13:9-10).
As a normal, godless, wicked, heathen gentile...?
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
As for Jews who don't believe:
Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
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Post by yardstick on Jan 31, 2020 20:42:09 GMT -6
Natalie , But your point was the law changing with every new priesthood. Hebrews 7:24 states that His priesthood doesn't change, therefor nor the Law neither. The priesthood only changed once - when the priesthood changed from the Levites to Jesus, who was of the tribe of Judah. At that change in priesthood then the Law changed. You are right that Jesus is a priest forever, but when was He acknowledged as High Priest? After His obedience to the Cross (Hebrews 5:9-10) So, a new law from the time of His death and resurrection. He fulfilled the old at the Cross. "Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant He mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second."
"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them our of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke,...For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people." (Jeremiah 31:31-33)
This is what Jesus did! I have to ask about the bolded part: If the law changed, would that not negate the immutability of the Lawgiver? Would it be more precise to say that the penalty changed? |
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Post by yardstick on Jan 31, 2020 20:43:44 GMT -6
Joe , question for you... After believing in Jesus for salvation, were Gentiles ever required to follow the Law?
and a thought...
Jesus accomplished what the law could not do. He brought salvation. In that way, we no longer need the law. That's what Paul teaches. It's not that the law is gone, but the power and consequences of the law no longer have its hold on us. We are free. But we are only free because we are slaves of Christ, of righteousness.
ah! I think you caught and corrected what I asked about in the above quote: The law has not changed. The penalty has simply been paid by someone, not us. Jesus. |
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Post by Natalie on Jan 31, 2020 21:01:13 GMT -6
Yes, I was paraphrasing Hebrews 7:12 which I think I quoted earlier. Maybe my paraphrase didn't come out quite right.  Heb 7:12 "For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well." Reading in Scripture we see that the law itself didn't change, but there was a change. |
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