The 70th Week Problem

@sam, great hypothesis and greater that you are open to it being incorrect! Shalom friend

KJ, Sam - I just finished reading the prophets and some pieces of other latter writing from the OT (Ester, Ezra, Neh...) and as I read through those I pulled myself into the stories and kept thinking how those events would look if I were there. The vantage point I 'saw' was these things were happening all around them as they happened but most had no real idea how significant those things were, except Daniel.

I believe we are in that same situation. Things are happening all around us but we may not (really are not) privy to enough details to fully see the big picture. We watch, pray for each other and hope for Him to appear tomorrow (every day we hope "tomorrow is the day").

With that please pray for one another every day. As each day passes I am remembering to pray for my brothers and sister, many of you by name! Will you join me in this if you aren't already.
(Felt led to share my heart there guys. Nothing to do with either of you or anyone else - I just feel the enemy trying to have us all focus on self rather than selfless)

Hello brother Venge.


1. Jesus died after 69 weeks exactly to the day as per the Prophecy, God knowing all can be that precise. 

2. The reason there are two mentions of the same event in Rev. 12 is Jesus/John wants us to know it is 1260 days and that it is tied to the Daniel ch. 12 event where he mentions a Time, times and a half [time]. Notice in verse 7 Michael kicks Satan out of heaven, and in Dan. 12 Michael stands up, that's the same event. One says she flees and the other says God protects or nourishes her for the same 1260 days, but John uses the Daniel 12 verbiage on purpose. Michael stands up at the end times, just before the dead are raised and judged says Dan. 12:1-2. The bible often repeats itself, in this instance we are shown two different things, the Woman {Israel via Genesis 37:9} Flees and in the second instance we see the Woman is protected, just like she was in Egypt as she was fleeing, for 1260 days.

The 42 months is the time they have to flee from the Beast/Anti-Christ, after the 42 months of peace {false peace} he brings forth. 

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The People {Romans} of the prince that shall come {Anti-Christ in the 70th week end times or 2000 some odd years later} shall destroy the city and the sanctuary {in 70 AD}, the end will be with a flood {Army is used for flood in may places, it's used like Rev. 12:15-16, I guess it means they overan the city.}

There are 7 years left in Israel's Judgment, they have yet to repent/turn to God, they are still blinded according to Paul until the time of the Gentiles be come in. So after the Rapture the 70th week starts, Israel will turn to God and Flee Jerusalem when the Beast Conquers it, then God protects them for 1260 days. 

God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years just like Ezekiel prophesied, then God revived Israel again in 1948, we are awaiting the Rapture now, then Israel's final 7 years of Judgment meant to bring them unto repentance will start.

Well, I did my best that is my 2 cents brother...God Bless.

Hello again brother Venge, I will reply this was to answer each portion, I am kinda new to this site as per the way it works.

I suspect he dies on the exact last day of the 69th week, or on the 173,880 day of the prophecy. That is why I stated God is exact. After 69 weeks means after 69 weeks, not 69 and 1/2 weeks.

Well, we know both are end time passages.....Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. {he is angry because he has but a short time}.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

It seems pretty clear to me both are the same event, what was you pointing towards that was different ? 




Yes sir, Genesis 37:9 points unto it being Israel, but the Church and Israel are not one per se, we will be one in Heaven, but God chose to deal with each at different times, some Jews are part of the Church, but the again Israel is only blinded IN PART for that very reason. I can explain why the Jews can't be the seed of Israel spoken of in Rev. 12:17. Once one thinks on it, I usually win them over. Those spoken of in this verse can not be Jews.....

Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 I know many see this the way you do, others see it as only Israel, I see BOTH HERE....Israel is the Woman whom Satan CAN NOT get at....that is why he gets angry and goes after her seed, but who is her seed ? Well Galatians ch. 3 tells us her seed is Jesus Christ.....Gal. 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.



Here is why it can't be speaking of any Jews. God protects the Jews who Flee Judea for 1260 days right ? So the Dragon {Satan} can't get at those Jews via the Anti-Christ, that is the very action verse 1 shows, he tried, but God protected her. So it can't be the 1/3 Jews who repent {Zechariah 13:8-9} and we know the 2/3 who do not repent will not have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So the Remnant spoken of here can not be Jews, the 1/3 are protected and the 2/3 don't obey God nor have the testimony of Jesus, so who are the Remnant ? Well they are the Remnant Church, the Church is in Heaven having been Raptured, those Gentiles who repent will thus be the Remnant {small part on earth} Church on earth, who are the Martyrs under the Altar in Seal #5. It can not be Jews. The Woman however stands for Israel. She is protected, then Sata sends the Anti-Christ after Remnant Church of her SEED {Jesus Christ}. So I agree, it can't be the Jews in Israel as per the Remnant, but Satan couldn't get at the Woman {Israel} so he went after the Remnant. That's the best I could do, I may not have explained it well.


The Romans ordered it, the Romas were the Fourth Beast. The rest is just semantics to be honest. They rebelled against Roman power and got squashed. 



We can see the Church in Heaven in Rev. chapters 4 and 5 before the Seals are opened. Revelation however is about judgment. Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church Age, 4 and 5 is the Raptured Church in Heaven before Seals are opened, Rev. 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16 are the Judgment Sequences, that ends the reign of mankind, all the other chapters happen during those six chapters except for Rev. 20, 21 and 22 of course. We can see the Peace and its aftermath in Daniel 8:25, in Daniel 9:27 and in Daniel 11:40-43. It is not just with Israel, it is with MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region. The Bride also stays in the Marriage Chambers 7 days {7 years}. The Prophecy of Daniel was really Jeremiah's Prophecy, Gabriel just explained it to Daniel with the TIMES SEVEN Punishment added because of Israel's continued disobedience. Gabriel gave us three specific Prophecies, a 7 x 7 a 62 x 7 and a 1 x 7. 



The Day of the Lord starts when the First Seal is opened at the middle of the week. Dan. 8:25 tells us he will destroy many via peace. So he deceives the world ad the reneges on his agreements he made with MANY NATIONS. I hesitated doing this, because its detailed, but its the only way to bring this point into clarity.

Dan. 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.



25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes {Jesus}; but he shall be broken without hand {Speaks Victory}.



Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant{agreement} with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.




Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north {Anti-Christ} shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon {Where Israel Flees, South Jordan/Petra}.



42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Its not just Israel that the Anti-Christ enters into Agreements with {Peace Agreements/Covenants}. It is MANY is shown above in all three passages. He destroys MANY [Nations] by Peace, he enters into agreements with MANY and we see who the MANY are in Dan. 11:40-43, all of North Africa, Israel, and no doubt all of the Mediterranean Sea Region countries, after all, all of the other Beasts were over the Whole Region, not just Israel. 

The three subset prophecies were made for a reason, 7 x 7, 62 x 7 and the final 1 x 7 = 7 years or one week. 




Well brother, we can speak on that going forward. I think you are a very intelligent person, so we can humbly knock it around. I see Rev. 19 as the Church in Heaven, havig Married the Lamb, the we return with Christ and the Beast and his Armies/minions are still on earth. 


But we are not going to be here for God's Wrath, and thus the Jewish Wedding in the "Father's House" always lasts 7 days {7 years}. 


Again, we no doubt have tribulation until the Rapture. Our job on earth is complete, Israel is back on the clock ad Judgment is come during the 70th week.


These which came out of the Great Tribulation has been misdiagnosed, these are THE CHURCH, the Raptured Church. They came out of the 2000 some odd year Church Age which was Tribulation as you cited, as Jesus promised us, we would have continual tribulation. 2000>7 so 2000 is greater than 7. Millions died during the Church Age Period no doubt. The Martyrs under the Altar at the 5th Seal are not raised ad judged until Rev. :20:4, it specifically says that all those who died refusing the Mark of the Best is raised and judged at that time, Jesus tells them when he gives them their White Robes that they must WAIT until their fellow brothers are killed in like manner as they were, this means they must wait for the Beasts 42 months to end. So those that came out of the Great Tribulation can not be the Martyrs of the 70th week, but are the Martyrs of the Church Age.



I see the 144,000 as the Jews that Flee Judea, that is why the Trumpet Judgments are held up until the Jews reach Petra. 12 = full, thus 12 x 12,000 means ALL Israel. 

God Bless brother. I enjoy your posts, while we may differ, we sharpen each other via debate, and your posts are always informative and well sourced.