The 70th Week Problem

Haha, didn't mean to confuse you. Of course I realize Christ was making a parable to the Pharisees. I was just relating how he was still a Prince and when he returns it is as King. He doesn't return a Prince and how I see the statement is that a different Prince comes along. Not because of the scripture I laid out specifically, but how I interpret it. I only laid out that scripture to highlight it appears odd to think a Prince dies but then the Prince comes again and his own people destroy the city and the sanctuary?

He is co ruler with the Father. I imagine it like other Kings in ancient times. As the son got older, the son would sit with the King and would learn. Till such time that the son would be crowned King and would inherit the kingdom.

venge - after reading the post it'd be hilarious if you Avatar was changed based on the mulch and feeling of back pain.

Venge, sounds like you didnt have mulch fun today, ha ha!

I believe the 1st 6 verses of Rev 12 pertain to the Great signs in Heaven......then, the rest of the chapter is telling a story, shedding more light on the events from a different vantage point....and so I believe the two different 1260 events are one and the same...the first half of the 70th week, future from John's perspective.....he is using a typical Jewish method to tell the story, multiple vignettes to get the point across, like Jesus did with some of His parables.....ie "the kingdom of God is like", followed by multiple vignettes.

I could relate a play by play of a football game, then relate how the band played and affected the game, and then how the crowd got into it....all leading to the same result..this is how I see the construction of Rev 12.

First the description of the Great signs in heaven...which in effect is a time marker, using an ancient language (lights given for signs, seasons, days, years), that men have used for thousands of years, and transcend time and culture.....I don't speak ancient Greek, but John is effectively using a primitive language that transcends time. As Yardstick once said, it is a calendar of sorts.

Then, a description of events which we see played out on earth.......resulting in Satan on earth amplifying the persecution and hatred of Jews and Christians....it is notable that these have especially amplified since 2017. Anti-semitism and anti-Christian hatred are illogical, and unexplainable unless we understand our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the unseen spiritual forces of darkness described by Paul, and alluded to in Daniel......these forces influence those whose house in uninhabited, ie unbelievers, who have become unwitting zombies of Satan to effect the persecution referred to in Rev 12.

But, we know greater is He that is in us, than He that is in the World, so we take courage, and are not susceptible to the Dragon thrown to earth!
Shalom

I can’t see them as the same. One is when Christ goes up. The other is after a war in heaven. It would not make sense to mention it twice the way it’s written because it’s written in a way that suggests 2 events separate from each other. This is why I’m wondering if the 2nd time it’s mentioned is relation to Revelation itself during the 42 months. If so, the week could be halved. It’s important because I take a literal week stance but I also understand that part of it could have been done after the 69th week when Christ walked till he died “after 69 weeks”.

One problem that some people have with seeing Rev 12 as being a real sign in the heavens is because the constellations and their purposes have been so corrupted over time by Satan's Zodiak. It's the confusion of astronomy vs astrology.

Venge,

This is a great question, and I think is often overlooked.

I believe, based upon Revelation 11:3-7  that the two witnesses are 'untouchable' until they have completed their witness. Notice that God himself empowers them (v3). Logically, it follows that God will not allow them to be harmed until verse 7. Thus, I also believe the AC murders them himself. Since he at that time will be possessed by satan, he alone will have the power to approach them for purposes of doing harm. See verse 7: "...the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them..."

Everyone else who approaches them to do harm is killed by them. See v5.

Lastly, notice what they are permitted to do: "They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want." This sure sounds an awful lot like the trumpet and bowl judgments doesn't it?