The Chronological Order of The Book of Revelation

boraddict ,rondonmonson ,mike ,barbiosheepgirl ,bondservant ,venge,boymaker


Please be reminded what kinds of behaviors Believers are called to...

'Mine is better than yours' is not one of them...

It takes a lot of work and study to identify the details of the Savior's doctrine. Some things are so obviously false (Ex. like sprinkle baptism for babies) that a simple testimony satisfies the inquisitive mind. However, things that we dive into on this Unsealed site (Ex. like when the Savior was born) are often complex and difficult to answer. Yet, through it all we are alike in our testimonies that Jesus lives, loves, leads, and allows us to believe freely whatever we wish to believe. Yet, that is not enough because we want to understand all the details of the Gospel. So, we work and work to find the truth. Because, we are of the truth; and we all know what that is a reference to.

If we did not have our hearts and souls bound to the Savior and his doctrine then none of this would matter. But it does matter, and we love the Savior and his gospel and his doctrine; and we all are beyond the milk. If that were not true then we would not be here.

If I were LDS (Mormon) then I would defer my thoughts to Nelson (the LDS false prophet) and not wrestle to find the truth. Because, he would provide any instruction from the Savior that I would need for the security of myself and my family (so the LDS claim). Yes, that is, my whole state of being would not rest in the truth but in the false prophet Nelson.

However, we are told by the Savior to not place our trust in man but in him. And, I am so comforted that the doctrine that I learn is of the Savior and not man. So I am grateful to everyone here at Unsealed for hashing out the truth. Thank you. You are all blessings in my life.

I live in Mormon country and a couple of years ago I attended a meeting of the split off group established by Denver Snuffer. He was and still may be a high priced attorney based out of Salt Lake or one of it's surrounding cities. So I listened to his talk and that of several other people and they sounded so very good. If I had not had my background in scripture then I might have been tricked by them. So after the meeting there was a gathering in one of the local parks and I went hoping to talk to Snuffer. However he was thronged by his admirers like a rock star and I was only able to speak in the shallowest of terms concerning scripture; perhaps one or two minutes. However, as I sat down to have some of the food that was very good, I visited with a few of the people that were at the table. Then each time I would try to discuss the BofR they would reference what Snuffer had said about the topic I was discussing. That is, they themselves could not discuss scripture but paraphrased what Snuffer had taught on the subjects. So I purchased from the internet the works that this group was claiming to be scripture. In there Snuffer has written word for word what he claims the Savior has said to him. So I investigated the text for standard language identifiers that show the Savior's speech; like, similes, types and shadows, chiasmi, etc. However, there were none! The text contained language from a lawyer; and there was my proof! Snuffer is clearly a false prophet.

I mention this to show what a real bad person is like. Snuffer is a liar pure and simple trying to convince people that he is a prophet of God. And when I confronted these people that Snuffer was their prophet they would deny and say he was not. So I would point out errors in his philosophy and they would get mad at me. Like, why get angry at me for showing errors in Snuffer's teachings if he is not the prophet you worship? Needless to say but they refused to speak to me any further. I guess that I was a hopeless case; unredeemable and rebellious in the eyes of God. Can you believe that? The Snufferites are more radical (IMO) than the LDS and they all make me sick; doctrinally speaking that is.

Side note: I am convinced that Joseph Smith (leader of the LDS) was murdered by the rising star Brigham Young (leader of the LDS main group) There were more than 7 or 8 split off groups after Smith was killed in 1845 (thereabouts).

Could it be that the two witness do not have to have perfect alignment with the aforementioned 42 months? Isnt it very possible that if we say for example that the 42 months which can be clocked at the abomination of desolation happens in March, but the 42 months of the two witnesses starts at minimum 3.5 days prior to the AoD? Or some other time frame, still being 42 months yet not precisely concurrent with 42 months of the beast?

Rev 11:2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” ...7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,

Although written together their is not a necessity to demand these begin and end the same day. While they could be the same, it is not a requirement from the text. IF the AC sits in the temple in the middle of the tribulation (after the first 1260 days) the witnesses could be present prior to this or perhaps the 1290 days from Daniel factors in here somehow.

Their witness seems to me happen at some point prior to and after the fifth angel blowing his trumpet. Perhaps before the first woe and ending prior to the second woe as the text indicates.

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit...11 They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon...12 The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come.

Rev 11:11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
 14 The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.


EDIT - Looks like rondonmonson has a more precise explanation than I gave, but I was on track with some overlapping

rondonmonson  venge  

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Rom 12:10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another...14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers.

2 John 1:5 And now I urge you, dear lady--not as a new commandment to you, but one we have had from the beginning--that we love one another.

Acts 4:32
 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul

1 Cor 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

I understand that both of you have a far greater hold on prophetic interpretation than I do and perhaps ever will. As I have read through the prior pages, the tone coming across is not one of brotherly kindness and love towards one another. I realize this medium is difficult at times to communicate through, where tone and body language are missing although they are very important when communicating. Maybe if I could see the body language I wouldnt read this thread as tenuous, but the fact is there is no way to see the body language or tone in other than what is written. I ask that you both take some of the verses above to heart & mind when responding to one another. Really, take deep breaths grab one or two of those, tell yourself how much you love the brother whom Christ also died for, then reply. Else no one really cares how much you think you know if that knowledge isnt given with charity to the other. - Blessings brothers, maranatha!!!

Being a Christian is a journey from sin to Jesus, who is the truth, we shed many untruths along the way. We may very well go years and not understand something in full, but when the Holy Spirit gives us the answer, we know, that we know, that we know its of THE TRUTH. During that journey we may have a thought on something, but we don't know for sure, and until we get that UNCTION of the Holy Spirit that says this is the truth, we will not understand, no mater what we do. I will demonstrate later.


There are many opinions but there is ONE TRUTH brother. If one is still in the opinion mode then he hasn't heard from the Holy Spirit yet, that is my point, once we heard from the Holy Spirit the issue is solved. Before we hear from the HS we are just guessing, it is indeed just our opinion brother. Now as a man called unto prophecy in 1986 via a vision where the Holy Spirit basically told me very loudly, "The Man of Sin is here" I went almost 30 years and never had my full breakthrough, I was frustrated, I knew I was called unto prophecy because of that vision, then seeing Jimmy Swaggart (in another vison) preaching to 10 people in a huge auditorium (I was there in the spirit) about 2 weeks before he fell, which confirmed my first vision was about realities. 

Anyway, I read, studied for 30 years, I knew what the greatest preachers taught, I had MY OPINIONS/Theories (as I look back) on things, I went through the RCC and Pope phases and saw that as just not reality, I could see what was FALSE (Satan whispering lies to me) but I just couldn't dig God's deep truths out in full. I knew these were the end times and God wanted to show us ALL THINGS, yet I saw 25-50 different understandings of Babylon, of the Harlot, of the 144,000 of the 4 Beasts of Daniel, etc. etc. etc. and this was my calling, but I had been in a rut for 25-30 years, I asked God why, WHY? Why is the Church so all over the place on these prophetic utterings Lord I asked. And this is what set me free. I got this back from the Holy Spirit. "Ron, you guys already know every thing" !! Do you see it? Do you get what this means? 

I got it right away, the reason I could not see these deep truths on God's Prophesies, or Daniel/Revelation etc. etc. was because I already knew it all, of course the HS was being overtly facetious with me. I had "MENS TRADITIONS" in my mind on many of these prophetic utterings, because as young Christians we see Prophecy as way over our heads, so we read Hal Lindsey, or other authors, we read many men's ideas, and those "IDEAS" kind of put a "BLOCK" on the Holy Spirit teaching us His truths, all we can see is what we learned. Then I remembered Jesus telling the Pharisees what their problems were "Men's Traditions" so, likewise their understandings were blocked because of men's traditions, the scriptures taught of Jesus, but all they could see was what they had been taught. 

Anyway, so, I understood I had to FORGET everything I had learned for 30 years and simply do like the babes/disciples did, ask Jesus to show me, to teach me, like I had done with the Gospels/Old Testament etc. With no preconceived notions on anything. That is what I did, anytime I came to a crossroads I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me the truth, and He has. Because He wants to teach us all these things in these last days. So, I understood how to come to the truth after 30 years of prophetic wanderings. Of course this only applied to Prophecy, I learned the rest of the bible by just asking Jesus already, I deferred on Prophecy because I thought it was over my head 35 years ago. Of course if others disagree, I am not going to call out their understanding, I am just preaching/teaching what the Holy Spirit has taught me. 


We do error, but we can also hear the Holy Spirits voice. I can go years without understanding something, and most of the times I can hear Satan's lies, but in order to hear God's truths I found out I have to remove road blockers. If you think this, this and this, and its not so, you can never get past that roadblock until you remove the preconditioned understanding. Once we hear from the HS its settled, nothing can change my mind them, understanding that we need to get there by shedding old men's traditions is the hardest part to learn via prophecy. In other words, until we come unto God with a blank mind, He can't teach us in full. But the HS can not err. 


As I explained, I was in a rut on prophecy for 30 years, I learned, but I went into hyperdrive when I understood God wanted to teach me from a BLANK SLATE. I learn from those I banter with, along my journey I learn many things from others inspiration. People say something, and it may inspire me to research something, or they make points and I think about it. For instance, I used to think there were 21 Judgments, some people used to say that the Seals/Trumps/Vials are all the same events, I could never buy that at all, but they were kinda right, or half right. There are no Seal Judgments, the 6th Seal and the First Four Trumpet judgments are the same event. The 6th Seal is not actionable, its prophetic in nature. I went 30 years thinking there was 21 Judgments, when its only the 7 Trumpet Judgments, you have the Asteroid (four Trumps) and the THREE Woes. The Last Woe is all 7 Vials. So, I learn from others and take all things into account, but when the Holy Spirit finalizes something with me, it never changes. 

I can listen to your opinions, I have not learned it all, of course, no one has, we are on a journey unto the truth, but when we do hear from the HS we have to be able to say this is of the Holy Spirit. I never try to fault anyone else's beliefs per se. 


That was your choice brother. You tried to condition our replies. My point is I am not going to say something is my opinion if its of the Holy Spirit. 

God Bless.