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Post by boraddict on Oct 1, 2020 23:13:43 GMT -6
rondonmonson , you have a very good position with Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses. I have always supported that Moses did not die but was translated. Further, they (the saints) sing the song of Moses as stated at Rev. 15:3. So your position is supported in that verse. One thing that might-be as a matter of analysis is that the transfer of authority took place at the mount of transfiguration. Thus, the age of Moses and the laws associated with him ended and the age of the church began. That is, the transfer of power from Moses as "the nail in the wall" to Peter as "the new corner stone" took place at the Mount of Transfiguration. Thus, the church age began there and continues to this day or until a new age began/begins. Purely speculation on my part, but that in my mind is what that event was all about. I mean, if you consider that the Savior does not follow anyone but "a new age" began with the sacrifice of the Savior's life, then a new age does not begin with the Savior but his appointee. That is, the Savior presides over all ages, but Peter presides over the church age. Not that he is here in person, but like Moses he sets the tone of the age for others to follow. Thus, as ages go, there was an age wherein Moses set the tone and there is an age where Peter set the tone. Prior to Moses it might have been Abraham or someone else. If the above is correct, then the next age will have someone appointed to set the tone and that individual is to whom Rev. 15:3 refers. Thus, Moses is the type for someone to follow as the shadow in that verse. Since the church age is represented by Peter then it can not be him. Thus, it should be someone that meets with the Savior on the Mt. as both Moses (at Mt. Sinai) and Peter (at Mt. Transfiguration) did. So who is going up to the mountain to meet with the Savior that sets the tone for the next 1,000 years?  No one knows. But if I am correct, then someone will do just that and it should occur just as Jesus takes his people out of Egypt in the case of Moses, out of Judah (?) in the case of Peter, out of the world in our case.
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Post by venge on Oct 2, 2020 6:21:49 GMT -6
boraddict , Moses died and was buried, not translated. So who buried Moses? God did and he remains buried. Also, this comment you made is puzzling if you can explain it. Peter is not the corner stone, but Christ is. The Law (Moses the Lawgiver) and the Prophets (Elijah was the greatest) were until Christ. I am not sure why you say "Peter" sets the tone for a new age. Peter is in need of a savior. He was a sinner. He was called Satan by Christ. He messed up many times as we all do. The cornerstone is Christ and the apostles ( Peter, James, John etc...) are part of the foundation of the temple.
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Post by rondonmonson on Oct 2, 2020 18:35:42 GMT -6
rondonmonson , Please do not use your own opinion and make it seem as if its scripture. If you want to base your opinion on scripture, show me with scripture. You are not doing that. You said: Again, there are 10 horns on the beast and another horn comes (11th horn). The 7 heads already existed BEFORE the 11th horn comes. The heads exists on this beast and do not represent horns. You have yet to show me scripture that says the heads are horns or could be a horn. Notice that the heads do not wear crowns (they used to). The head of this beast doesnt have a crown, yet the horns wear crowns. How can a horn be the AC and its head be the AC if one wears a crown and one doesnt? Look at that logically. The Beast is already in existence, before the 11 horn comes, and its head is resurrected. The AC has not shown up till the 10 horns rise in this kingdom. That implies the Kingdom already existed, then 10 horns rise and later another horn rises. It is an impossibility the head and horn are the same. You are using this explain your position which goes against what scripture says. Scripture doesnt link the head to the horns, rather it actually teaches the opposite as I show you above. Your opinion that there is a "Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR)" coalition of sorts is your opinion, not based upon scriptural fact because it hasnt happened yet. Do not say its scriptural when it doesnt exist in scripture. At least people who writes books for a living on these things explain its their opinion, they state what they think are the facts based upon history, location and other things. Its still an opinion based upon a theory....but not fact because its future prophecy. Again, another opinion and not a fact. We have people who look at this site and when you post an opinion and make it to be a fact, it does a disservice to the readers. I have told you this before, scripture does not say who the last Kingdom is. Some think Rome, Some think Greece, some think Arab nations, Ive even heard America. But all opinions, which are fine in themselves. This is why God gave us identifiers such as: part Lion, bear and leopard. Each described how the previous Kingdoms parts acted. The bear destroyed by stomping it into nothingness. The leopard was fast and the Lion devoured his enemies. One again, look at what scripture said. 1. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake (the beast of the earth) 2. I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. (John changes from the beast of the earth to the beast of the sea) That #2 is proven when it says: As you said, all the other beasts are previous Kingdoms that lost their crown, were defeated and remove yet the lives of those nations and peoples still exist, the empires and their power do not. These "as concerning the other beasts" reference the beast in the previous verse that John moved to the last beast which is the beast of the sea...the last Kingdom. The Kingdom is destroyed and removed never to come again. Do not mix up the beast of the earth with the beast of the sea. Rev 19:20 confirms 2 were thrown into fire. One is identified as the false prophet which is the beast of the earth. That leaves only 1 other beast which is the beast of the sea and Daniel 7:23 tells us the 4th beast is that 4th Kingdom that rises. The Kingdom and the Prophet of that Kingdom are thrown into fire to be destroyed and removed. That same verse gives us 2 of the 3 identifiers too of the part Lion, bear but not the leopard. It says it will devour (lion), trample down and break it (bear). Those are previous Kingdom qualities. Not a man. The Bible is only about the area by Israel yet the believers were sent out into all nations.... Lets look at a parable shall we. Are the wicked and the Just only around the Mediterranean sea? Obviously not. The are throughout the entire globe. The fish represent people and the sea they live in represent the world as vast as a sea. Opinion. If Rome is the 6th head as some believe, it would be the resurrected 7th head, but there is an eighth head. Rome would need to be the 7th head in order to be a resurrected eighth head. The Greek reads of Rev 17:11 "The beast which was and not is also itself an eighth and is of the seven.." There were only 7 heads. As One appeared to have a death wound and it lay dead...it comes back as if it is resurrected thereby being the 8th. 7 heads where 1 head comes back twice. Rome was not the 7th head but the 6th during John's life. If Rome (is during John's life), and 5 had fallen previously, Rome was 6th. One still had to come AFTER Rome before a resurrected head could come back. Is the beast of the 7th one or of all 7? If its ofthe 7th head, its not Rome as Rome was 6th. If the beast is of all 7, then Rome is part of the beast as well as the other 6...but its still isnt just Rome. Context is important. No they dont. Dan 7:3 plainly tells us 4 beast come from the sea and they detail in the following verses each is a Kingdom. That is backed up in Daniel 7:23 Daniel 7:17 explains the 4 beast that were detailed in Dan 7:3-7 are controlled by beasts that rise out of the earth. Rev 13:3 says: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Youre implying the beast of the sea is a man....how many heads does a man have? Do men resurrect themselves? Has there ever been a man since Christ to resurrect? You are implying the man of sin is the 8th head and that he as being the eighth head comes back. That goes against scripture. All men are appointed once to die, then the judgment. Man ONLY comes from the earth. Not the sea. Nations are formed from the sea. What about Jer 51:42 This was not the Mediterranean. Or Ezekiel 26:3 The nations are in the sea and the waves are the peoples and armies of those nations. I'm sorry, but scripture is clear. I'll stick with scripture. I present the scriptures, I can't look it up for you brother. Daniel 7:11.......Dan. 7:11...........Dan. 7:11 shows the Little Horn is a MAN. Look it up. You need tp specify what point, because to me I am not going to reference everything I speak of, if I did that as a preacher I would spend all day citing scriptures, and we should all know these passages already. I of course point out the major points scriptural references, because we may have unbelievers here wanting to follow along. When ever you ask for specific scriptures I have given them unto you. Dan. 7:11 is kinda obvious, as is Revelation 19:20. They both show the last Beast being cast into hell. ANOTHER POINT: God tells us to study the bible and to take this approach "Precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little....in other words, we are supposed to put it all together. Jesus told us why he gave the Disciples parables, so the world hearing would hear not, and seeing would see not. Likewise in order understand the bible, we have to study and pray for that understanding. Its not open and shut, we have to weave God's holy word together. Its a collective set of holy scriptures written by many men, as inspired by God. Amen. No brother, the Four Heads spoken of by Daniel already existed, add in Egypt and Assyria and we get SIX HEADS thus...........we get the BELOW scriptures: Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is (year 96ish AD), and the other is not yet come (End Times Beast); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space(42-Months). So, 5 have fallen and ROME IS............and the end time Beast is yet to come. All that a horn means is power. All the Kings that arose were powers. They only became Beast Powers over the MSR and Israel when they conquered that area. When the Little Horn first arises to come to power in the E.U. he will not be a Beast over the MSR and Israel until he Conquers them during the middle of the 70th week. He's the Anti-Christ before that or the E.U. President, whichever one prefers to call him. (Little Horn) The Heads are BEAST POWERS, which simply means they Conquer/Rule the MSR and Israel. All POWERS are horns, or Mountains, they represent Kings and Kingdoms in the bible, but a Beast represent a Great Kingdom that Conquers, and in this case, one that conquers the MSR and Israel. Rev. 17:12-13 clearly ANSWERS this for you brother, the 10 kings give their power unto "THE BEAST". Its very clear, that is why I pointed out the "Here a little, there a little passage". Horns throughout the bible stand for kings/power/kingdoms, the Beast Heads simply stands for a GREAT POWER (Beast/Dominant/Lion/Bear/Leopard) and in this case its over the MSR and Israel. So, horns TURN INTO Beast Powers but only once they CONQUER. Alexander rose up as a horn, he became a Beast by CONQUERING. Horns simply mean kings/power. As I pointed out, in Dan. 7:17 the four Beasts arose as 4 Kings, thus a king is a horn, when it conquers, it becomes a Beast power over those conquered. Because Daniel calls him the Little Horn, but the book of Revelation calls him SPECIFICALLY the Beast, not the Little Horn. Daniel however affirms this also in Dan. 7:11 and calls him the Beast. In Daniel, he ARISES among the 10 first, thus he's just the king of the E.U. first, (the fractured 10) and only becomes THE BEAST once he conquers Israel and the MSR. In Rev. 13, its never speaking about the 10 per se, its speaking in PAST TENSE, after he has arisen as the Beast. We do see the 10 CROWNS on the 10 HORNS, but where is the 11th Horn? Its now the Beast Head. The reason Rev. 12 has the Heads wearing the CROWNS is to show us who is being designated in each chapter !! Who is Satan the Dragon over? EVERY KINGDOM in the whole world, thus these 7 Being spoken of (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the Coming Anti-Christ) have CROWNS on their heads, showing that Satan the Dragon is over these Beasts Kingdoms, as he is over all kingdoms on this earth, as the Luke 4 verses show us, he offered Jesus every kingdom on this earth to bow down and worship him. The Dragon from Rev. 12 gives the BEAST [Head] from Rev. 13 his POWER..... Rev. 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Dan. 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. So, the DRAGON gives the Beast his Power (Beast Head.....each Head or Beast is under Satan the Dragon). Its being shown as a Figurative Seven Headed Beast. But its just 7 different kingdoms who rule over Israel and the MSR, over all time. Now, as per Rev. 13, the Horns/kings (see Rev. 17:12-13) have CROWNS on their heads to show whom the Beast is ruling over. Rev. 12 is about Satan and Rev. 13 is about the Anti-Christ, whom the 10 Kings freely give their powers over to. Thus, when we see NO CROWNS in Rev. 17, we know that Beast is not either one of these two, hes Apollyon the Beast (Demon) from the Bottomless Pit. The Beast is not around brother, it tells us he suffered a "MORTAL WOUND" and the Beast (figurative 7 headed Beast) only reemerges when the Last Beast has conquered Israel and the MSR area. Daniel 11:40-43 shows exactly who he conquers. So, the Ant-Christ doesn't just ARISE as a Beast brother, he will be a Kings/President in the E.U. first, AMONGST THE 10 (Fractured Europe that REENERGES) and only after he goes forth Conquering does he become THE BEAST. The Fourth Beast is Rome, that is a biblical fact....... ONE IS. Who was sir in 96 AD? Rome, of course. You may disagree with that, but I point out why its a fact. Remember, here a little, there a little. We can't just disregard pertinent facts brother. ONE IS means Rome, of course. The Beast of the earth is not the Anti-Christ/Beast, hes the False Prophet. And read Dan. 7:17, all of the four beasts were also four kings, so John doesn't change anything brother, that's just perception. There is a Beast of the Sea (Gentile King) and a Beast from the land/earth (Israel/False Prophet). Dan. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. All the Beast arose from the Sea (MSR) because they do not become a BEAST until they conquer Israel and the MSR. They are first only kings of the earth.... Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall a rise out of the earth. So, what is it saying? That the Beasts were called Beasts because they conquered Israel and the MSR, but before that each one first arose as a SIMPLE KING out of the LAND they came from, BEFORE they were Beasts out of the Sea (MSR/Israel rulers). As per the "Figurative Entity' they didn't lose their crowns, meaning they actually existed during the 3000 some odd year timeline in which God is referring unto. But over all, as per the Dan. 7:12 passage, they do lose dominion, we agree, but I think they keep their crown because the crown is showing both PRESENT and PAST Kingdoms as per the figurative 7 headed beast. Its semantics. All the Beasts came from the SEA Brother, see verse 3 ABOVE: I personally think the point/line just above this will help you see what I am pointing out on this Sea/Land issue. (its RARE that I am very, very satisfied with a point I make, I always feel I can do better, the above is succinct and perfecto, IMHO). Rev. 13 actually gives us all 5 Beasts of Daniel (including the Little Horn/MAN). The Lion, Leopard and the Bear. Then we are given Rome (Mortal Wound) and the Anti-Christ or coming Little Horn, he starts out as a king/President of the E.U. then becomes a Beast when he conquers Israel and the MSR. (Heals the MORTAL WOUND). The Parable of the Wheat (Israel) and the Tares (Wicked World) is about Israel and the wicked growing together until the very end, the Church is not here, we come back with Jesus as Rev. 19 shows. Thus Rev. 14 is the "HARVEST CHAPTER" the 144,000 = ALL Israel (Wheat) and they are seen in verse 1, then in Rev. 14:17-20 we see the wicked tares are cast into the wine-press of God's Wrath (bound in the grave to be burned/JUDGED in a 1000 years at the Second Death). In verse 14, we see a FLASH BACK, where Jesus raptures the Church to heaven from upon a cloud. So, yes, Israel grows together with the wicked until the very end, the Church does not. The REMNANT Church is on earth (Rev. 12:17). So, Israel is what that parable is about, Jesus came to the Jews only, he sent Paul unto the Gentiles. Rome would be the 6th Head that John said IS.......the Anti-Christ would be the 7th Head that AROSE out of the 6th Heads Territory/land/Kingdom/Europe. Herein is why understanding that the Scarlet Colored Beast is NOT the same Beast as the Red Dragon in Rev. 12 or the Beast out of the Sea in Rev. 13, is so very important. OH MY..........I just got chills !! This is why I love going back and forth with brothers like you (BLESSED are those that read the book of Revelation) I just saw something that confirms all my understandings TIMES 100. I just went into WARPSPEED/Hyperdrive. Nowhere in Rev. 17 does it say the Beast comes out of the Sea or Land, it says he came out of THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. That made me rush over to Rev. 12, and guess where the Dragon is seen at ? A Sign in Heaven, LOL. The Dragon is IN HEAVEN........The Beast/Man arises out of the Great Sea like in Dan. 7..........The 2nd Beast or False Prophet arises out of THE LAND or Israel, as a Religious Beast/False Prophet.........AND finally the Scarlet Colored Beast is shown to arise out of the Bottomless Pit. Every one of them are IDENTIFIED or DESIGNATED by where they arise from !! Amen. Back to the Scarlet Colored Beast/8th Head question. I haven't forgot brother, when I see things afresh, I get excited. The Scarlet Colored Beast is Apollyon, in Ephesians 6:12 we are told we battle not with flesh and blood, but against principalities and DARK POWERS in high places. So, Demons, as we know are placed over regions, cities and nations etc. So, Apollyon (Israel called him the DESTROYER) was placed over the MSR by Satan, his orders, imho, was to Destroy Israel, he tried with the Pharaoh, he tried by toting the 10 tribes off via Assyria, he tried via Babylon, via Persia it seems God overrode him and used Cyrus to help Israel, but other wicked kings would arise in Persia later on, I think Apollyon was thus the Demon who resisted Michael in Dan. chapter 10 for 21 days. He then used Antiochus to try and destroy Israel, but God did away with ole Antiochus at the eastern front war. Then Rome SACKED Israel/Jerusalem of course. At this time, IMHO, God placed Apollyon in the Bottomless Pit as the KING of the pit. The gates of hell would not be allowed to overcome the Church, and Israel was dispersed the world over. This BEAST/Demon was thus placed in the pit for 2000 some odd years, and will only be released after the Rapture of the Church, at the 1st Woe. Thus he was OF THE 6..........Placed in the Bottomless Pit for nigh 2000 years........and he will be released at the 1st Woe and go back to BEASTING over the Mediterranean Sea Region and Israel once again. Thus at the End Times/Anti-Christ period he will now be "OF THE SEVEN" and he will also be an 8th Because he is the King of the Bottomless Pit. God loves giving us riddles like this. This way, only those seeking His face earnestly find His DEEP TRUTHS. The reason he has NO CROWNS is his Kingdom is not on this earth. But he is AN 8TH nevertheless. Rome is indeed the 6th, the Anti-Christ is the 7th BUT......Notice, it never shows us ANYWHERE that there are 8 Heads, it only states that the 8th is "OF THE SEVEN". God and His riddles astound me. Well, He is God, lol. God, IMHO, threw that truth in there to make sure only us END TIME Christians could get this. He wanted these things sealed up until the very end times. Researching with our computers give us a huge advantage over pretty much all comers who came before us. Amen. We have all of history at our fingertips, others had to go to a library and read through tons of pages, we can prompt a computer to bring up ANYTHING !! Yes, the Seven Headed FIGURATIVE BEAST is brought back from being non existent for nigh 2000 years via this MAN who Conquers Israel and the MSR. That is what is meant by the fact that the "WOUND IS HEALED" its not about one head per se, its about the WHOLE 7 Headed Beast which WENT AWAY for nigh 2000 years when Rome FELL (the 6th King of Rev. 17 that falls) its not about a man dying and being revived, REMEMBER, its about a 7 HEADED FIGUURATIVE BEAST that spans 3000 years from Egypt, to Rome, then the Church Age happens (us now) and we are the ones that that delivered the Mortal Wound to this 7 Headed Figurative Beast, we turned Rome from a BEAST to a conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. (That is the Mortal Wound). Only when the Rapture comes to pass, and this MAN who arises in Europe (10 stands for Europe) and then goes forth Conquering Israel and THE MANY (MSR) does this Beast, which had 6 Heads and disappeared, come back into being, Israel is once again DOMINATED or under Rule by a Gentile King/The MAN that thus becomes THE BEAST. The 8th is Apollyon, but his kingdom is not of this earth, that is why he has NO CROWNS. I have explained all this above. The 7 Headed Beast is NOT REAL, its like the Statue. Its a STAND IN for the Kingdoms that all Conquered Israel and the MSR. And, as you see above, I do not imply anything about an 8th Head, there is no 8th Head, only 7 Heads, the 7th Head brings the Beast back into the picture, by CONQUEING Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region. The 8th King is Apollyon. I already went over this brother. They were all KINGS from the EARTH......Then become Kings from the Sea by Conquering THAT AREA. (Israel/MSR) Whatever this was in reply unto, it wasn't mine. I never said the Sea came up over Babylon. So, you were not replying to a point I made there. Its the Sea AREA that is being CONQUERED, all we have to do is look the maps in each instance, they all conquered Israel and the MSR. God Bless. |
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Post by rondonmonson on Oct 2, 2020 18:43:53 GMT -6
rondonmonson , you have a very good position with Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses. I have always supported that Moses did not die but was translated. Further, they (the saints) sing the song of Moses as stated at Rev. 15:3. So your position is supported in that verse. One thing that might-be as a matter of analysis is that the transfer of authority took place at the mount of transfiguration. Thus, the age of Moses and the laws associated with him ended and the age of the church began. That is, the transfer of power from Moses as "the nail in the wall" to Peter as "the new corner stone" took place at the Mount of Transfiguration. Thus, the church age began there and continues to this day or until a new age began/begins. Purely speculation on my part, but that in my mind is what that event was all about. I mean, if you consider that the Savior does not follow anyone but "a new age" began with the sacrifice of the Savior's life, then a new age does not begin with the Savior but his appointee. That is, the Savior presides over all ages, but Peter presides over the church age. Not that he is here in person, but like Moses he sets the tone of the age for others to follow. Thus, as ages go, there was an age wherein Moses set the tone and there is an age where Peter set the tone. Prior to Moses it might have been Abraham or someone else. If the above is correct, then the next age will have someone appointed to set the tone and that individual is to whom Rev. 15:3 refers. Thus, Moses is the type for someone to follow as the shadow in that verse. Since the church age is represented by Peter then it can not be him. Thus, it should be someone that meets with the Savior on the Mt. as both Moses (at Mt. Sinai) and Peter (at Mt. Transfiguration) did. So who is going up to the mountain to meet with the Savior that sets the tone for the next 1,000 years? No one knows. But if I am correct, then someone will do just that and it should occur just as Jesus takes his people out of Egypt in the case of Moses, out of Judah (?) in the case of Peter, out of the world in our case. Hello sister, good points. Unlike most people I don't see a New Covenant at all. I know it was called new, but in reality, if we read Galatians chapter 3, we understand that the Law came 430 years AFTER the Promise, so the ORIGINAL Covenant was the PROMISE, not the Law. But, to the Jewish peoples who were so ingrained in the Laws of Moses, they had to be told, this is a NEW Covenant, when in reality, like Paul said, THE PROMISE came 430 years BEFORE the law. Gotta take my dog out.....been fasting all day praying for the President and First Lady. A three day fast is hard on me since I am now a diabetic, but I am going to do it. God Bless sister. I love you guys. |
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Post by boraddict on Oct 2, 2020 20:35:00 GMT -6
boraddict , Moses died and was buried, not translated. So who buried Moses? God did and he remains buried. Also, this comment you made is puzzling if you can explain it. Peter is not the corner stone, but Christ is. The Law (Moses the Lawgiver) and the Prophets (Elijah was the greatest) were until Christ. I am not sure why you say "Peter" sets the tone for a new age. Peter is in need of a savior. He was a sinner. He was called Satan by Christ. He messed up many times as we all do. The cornerstone is Christ and the apostles ( Peter, James, John etc...) are part of the foundation of the temple. , that is so funny because I was trying to get rondonmonson, to bite on that. My reference to Moses as "the nail on the wall" comes out of Isaiah 22:23, 25, that the individual referenced is a type (of Moses). Thus, "And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house" in contrast to "In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it." In other words, the one that is the nail will be replaced. Thus, Moses and his laws are replaced by Peter and the Savior's church. So while the true meaning of Isa. 22:23, 25, is not exact to my application of the verses it does offer a type for the reference that I was making. Out goes the laws of Moses and in comes the atonement of Lord Jesus with Peter as the designated presiding authority in the church. Thus, out goes Moses and in comes Peter as the leader of the new dispensation of time. Consequently, the rock (I called stone in my reference) is Peter and likewise the only lawgiver is Moses (the nail). Although I simply called him a nail to show the reference to Isaiah 22:23. |
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Post by venge on Oct 5, 2020 7:46:06 GMT -6
rondonmonson , Let us talk about scripture. I do not want to read your theories. (MSG, Europe and countries that exist today) You said: I am not saying the 4 heads did not exist. I think perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying, and that is ok. I believe Egypt and Assyria make up the first 2 heads. As you stated, 5 have fallen, 1 is (Rome) and the other is future. That is 7 heads (Kingdoms) with 7 crowns (Kings). But (If I am understanding you) you take the 6th head as becoming the 7th. That is your opinion, which of course you say is a fact. 7 heads exist on this beast. Each head had a King. When Rome was removed as a head and its king from authority, a 7th head still needed to come after Rome and that Kingdom needed to be literal and be ruled by a man who would be King. That is needed because the beast with 7 heads is defeated. That means all 7 heads had to be defeated. All 7 Kings of those 7 heads died. Because the beast was not....all 7 were slain. So, I dont see how the 6th head could be the 8th head. It makes no sense. But IMO, the 8th head itself isnt what is important. The beast is what goes into destruction...not the head. Perhaps thats why it says this Kingdom is different then all other kingdoms. Have you ever noticed the 10 horns, where they are located on the beast? Ive seen many people say the 7th head but that defies the logic of the scripture. As I stated above, all 7 heads were slain. Not 6 slain and we waited for the 7th. 7 were slain. The 10 horns were on the beast, not on the head. The heads had crowns before they were slain and no longer wear crowns, the horns do- on the beast body. No my friend, it is not. The 6th head was Rome, that is a fact. Youre mixing the 6th head with the last beast. That is an opinion and not a fact. You asked, who was the one that "is" in 96 AD and that was the "6th head of the beast, Rome". That was not the last beast of Daniel. You are mixing 2 different things. There is no fact in the Bible that equated the last Beast with Rome or any nation. That is your opinion, the only fact lay in that the 6th head was Rome. The 2 are separate. The last beast is a composite of the 7; that includes Rome but is not just Rome as you say it is. It also includes Grecian, Babylonian and Persian attributes. Yes, the beast of the earth is called a false prophet. That is a correct statement. But, there are 2 distinctions in Daniel and the same 2 are in Revelation. In both Dan 7 and Rev 13, we have a beast of the sea and a beast of the earth. Who is the beast of the sea and earth in Daniel 7? By your testimony, the beast of the sea in Daniel is a gentile King and he had a false prophet too as a beast of the earth. So, who was the false prophet (beast of the earth) to Nebuchadnezzar or Alexander the Great?
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Post by boraddict on Oct 5, 2020 11:56:02 GMT -6
Hi venge , the Book of Daniel begins with Judah being captive of Babylon (Dan. 1:1), and continues with subsequent kingdoms ruling over Judah, until the end when Judah is freed (Dan. 12:1). How do you place Egypt as the 1st head? If you are correct then the heads might not apply to captive Judah but to the entire house of Israel; all 12 tribes. Post Script: Perhaps it is not that the Book of Daniel shows Judah being ruled over but that Jerusalem or the temple is ruled over. That is, not only was Judah conquered and subject to Neb and then subsequent kingdoms but Jerusalem and the temple have been subject to these kingdoms as well. Thus, Daniel might have been written to show the temple under the thumb of foreign leaders. fallen 1) Babylon, Jerusalem/temple destroyed fallen 2) Persia, Jerusalem/temple rebuilt fallen 3) Greece, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 4) Roman Republic, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 5) Roman Empire, temple destroyed 6) Ottoman, presides over Jerusalem 7) UN the temple rebuilt 8) The beast of the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem/the temple Five are fallen and three remain (IMO). What is your best guess? |
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Post by venge on Oct 6, 2020 8:26:12 GMT -6
Hi venge , the Book of Daniel begins with Judah being captive of Babylon (Dan. 1:1), and continues with subsequent kingdoms ruling over Judah, until the end when Judah is freed (Dan. 12:1). How do you place Egypt as the 1st head? If you are correct then the heads might not apply to captive Judah but to the entire house of Israel; all 12 tribes. Post Script: Perhaps it is not that the Book of Daniel shows Judah being ruled over but that Jerusalem or the temple is ruled over. That is, not only was Judah conquered and subject to Neb and then subsequent kingdoms but Jerusalem and the temple have been subject to these kingdoms as well. Thus, Daniel might have been written to show the temple under the thumb of foreign leaders. fallen 1) Babylon, Jerusalem/temple destroyed fallen 2) Persia, Jerusalem/temple rebuilt fallen 3) Greece, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 4) Roman Republic, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 5) Roman Empire, temple destroyed 6) Ottoman, presides over Jerusalem 7) UN the temple rebuilt 8) The beast of the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem/the temple Five are fallen and three remain (IMO). What is your best guess? , I think rondonmonson already pointed out why its Egyptian and Assyrian. The first empire to rule over God's people and hold their promised land of Canaan was Egyptian during the 18th Egyptian Dynasty. Egypt is also known in history as one of the greatest Kingdoms of that time and previous to that. When the Jews left Egypt and secured the promised land, the next Empire to control Judah and Israel was Assyrian under Sennacherib. Not just those lands either, but the known world at the time. The Babylonians took over Assyria control. We find this in the Bible and its widely known from historical documents. Your #5 above, that you have as fallen, destroys the temple in 70AD. But John was recorded by Eusebius and Polycarp as writing the Revelation during a Roman King that lived between approx 92-96 AD. So the one that "is", must be Roman. Even for those that believe Revelation was written about 70 AD (preterist), the 6th head still has to be Roman. It is the 7th head that people guess on. We dont know. It was John's future, but the 7th head was before the final beast which is the 8th head. The beast needed its 7th head (future to John) to be slain for it to lose all 7 crowns on its heads and have the crowns be placed on the horns instead. So who was the 7th head? Some think Ottoman. Personally, I believe it was the Nazi Empire when it was aligned with the Ottomans (much like Media and Persia joining together). The Nazi's under Hitler caused the greatest destruction to the Jews. Allied with the Ottomans, they had access to Israel and Ottoman sway. They were also taking over lands in Europe, subjecting people to their rule, changing laws and the Nazi Empire was short lived. What is also interesting about it is that AFTER this empire is destroyed, then the Jews can have a home back in Israel. Its only AFTER the beast's 7 heads are slain that Israel can be moved back to the promised land. Jews still existed in the land, but the land was given back to the Jews from the Ottomans because the Ottomans allied with the Nazi's...they were removed from power too. Well, there is more to it than that but I am speaking generally. If the Ottoman empire without the Nazi's was the 7th head....their reign last hundreds of years...not a short duration. And only their end with the Nazi's is what counts as their removal allows Israel to come in. |
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Post by boraddict on Oct 6, 2020 11:25:01 GMT -6
Hi venge , the Book of Daniel begins with Judah being captive of Babylon (Dan. 1:1), and continues with subsequent kingdoms ruling over Judah, until the end when Judah is freed (Dan. 12:1). How do you place Egypt as the 1st head? If you are correct then the heads might not apply to captive Judah but to the entire house of Israel; all 12 tribes. Post Script: Perhaps it is not that the Book of Daniel shows Judah being ruled over but that Jerusalem or the temple is ruled over. That is, not only was Judah conquered and subject to Neb and then subsequent kingdoms but Jerusalem and the temple have been subject to these kingdoms as well. Thus, Daniel might have been written to show the temple under the thumb of foreign leaders. fallen 1) Babylon, Jerusalem/temple destroyed fallen 2) Persia, Jerusalem/temple rebuilt fallen 3) Greece, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 4) Roman Republic, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 5) Roman Empire, temple destroyed 6) Ottoman, presides over Jerusalem 7) UN the temple rebuilt 8) The beast of the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem/the temple Five are fallen and three remain (IMO). What is your best guess? , I think rondonmonson already pointed out why its Egyptian and Assyrian. The first empire to rule over God's people and hold their promised land of Canaan was Egyptian during the 18th Egyptian Dynasty. Egypt is also known in history as one of the greatest Kingdoms of that time and previous to that. When the Jews left Egypt and secured the promised land, the next Empire to control Judah and Israel was Assyrian under Sennacherib. Not just those lands either, but the known world at the time. The Babylonians took over Assyria control. We find this in the Bible and its widely known from historical documents. Your #5 above, that you have as fallen, destroys the temple in 70AD. But John was recorded by Eusebius and Polycarp as writing the Revelation during a Roman King that lived between approx 92-96 AD. So the one that "is", must be Roman. Even for those that believe Revelation was written about 70 AD (preterist), the 6th head still has to be Roman. It is the 7th head that people guess on. We dont know. It was John's future, but the 7th head was before the final beast which is the 8th head. The beast needed its 7th head (future to John) to be slain for it to lose all 7 crowns on its heads and have the crowns be placed on the horns instead. So who was the 7th head? Some think Ottoman. Personally, I believe it was the Nazi Empire when it was aligned with the Ottomans (much like Media and Persia joining together). The Nazi's under Hitler caused the greatest destruction to the Jews. Allied with the Ottomans, they had access to Israel and Ottoman sway. They were also taking over lands in Europe, subjecting people to their rule, changing laws and the Nazi Empire was short lived. What is also interesting about it is that AFTER this empire is destroyed, then the Jews can have a home back in Israel. Its only AFTER the beast's 7 heads are slain that Israel can be moved back to the promised land. Jews still existed in the land, but the land was given back to the Jews from the Ottomans because the Ottomans allied with the Nazi's...they were removed from power too. Well, there is more to it than that but I am speaking generally. If the Ottoman empire without the Nazi's was the 7th head....their reign last hundreds of years...not a short duration. And only their end with the Nazi's is what counts as their removal allows Israel to come in. , rondonmonson, Okay, so the order would be: fallen 1) Egypt fallen 2) Assyria fallen 3) Babylon fallen 4) Persia fallen 5) Greece 6) Rome that is (at the time of John) 7) Ottoman with Germany that is someone that is yet to come (from John's point of view) 8) the beast of the abomination of desolation Since Germany was the main participant in WWI & WWII then it may be the case that Germany is the main player in WWIII |
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Post by venge on Oct 6, 2020 12:50:56 GMT -6
1st HeadEgypt ruled by Pharoah 2nd HeadAssyria ruled by Sennacherib 3rd Head ( First of the 4 Great Beasts)Babylon ruled by Nebuchadnezzer 4th Head (Second of the 4 Great Beasts)Media-Persia ruled by Cyrus the Great 5th Head (Third of the 4 Great Beasts)Grecian ruled by Alexander the Great which splits into 4 parts of his kingdom 6th HeadRoman ruled by Emperor Domitian 7th HeadUnknown: Possibly Nazi Germany or Ottoman or another After WW2, countries in the middle east that were under Ottoman become the countries we know today. Lebanon becomes a country in 1943. In 1944 Syria becomes a country. In 1946 Jordan becomes a country In 1947, Iraq becomes a country In 1948, Israel becomes a nation All this is possible because the beast is slain in my honest opinion. But we are waiting for a time that the beast returns as an 8th, and of the seven. Then we learn that from Rev 17 which rondonmonson , had pointed out above. 8th Head (Fourth of the 4 Great Beasts) Its not the head that received the death wound and lived that was and is not, it was the beast itself. He is the 8th head and the final Kingdom which is ruled by the AC. That is why the description gives me nails of Brass (Grecian Kingdom), mouth to devour (Babylonian Kingdom), feet trample and crush (Persian) etc...his makeup is from the 3rd, 4th, and 5th heads yet he is of all 7. The point is, the last Kingdom is from the 8th head. The 8th head is connected to the previous 7. It is its own Kingdom with its own leader. Its not an exact replica of 1 of the kingdoms that is already fallen and destroyed. That is why it is said this Kingdom is different then all other Kingdoms. Not to forget the women (Mystery Babylon) dwells within the parameters of the previous heads; its where she sits. But, the Kings of the earth have all drunk from her...so the scope of her influence is beyond the parameters of where she sits.
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Post by rondonmonson on Oct 6, 2020 13:07:20 GMT -6
rondonmonson , Let us talk about scripture. I do not want to read your theories. (MSG, Europe and countries that exist today) You said: I am not saying the 4 heads did not exist. I think perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying, and that is ok. I believe Egypt and Assyria make up the first 2 heads. As you stated, 5 have fallen, 1 is (Rome) and the other is future. That is 7 heads (Kingdoms) with 7 crowns (Kings). But (If I am understanding you) you take the 6th head as becoming the 7th. That is your opinion, which of course you say is a fact. 7 heads exist on this beast. Each head had a King. When Rome was removed as a head and its king from authority, a 7th head still needed to come after Rome and that Kingdom needed to be literal and be ruled by a man who would be King. That is needed because the beast with 7 heads is defeated. That means all 7 heads had to be defeated. All 7 Kings of those 7 heads died. Because the beast was not....all 7 were slain. So, I dont see how the 6th head could be the 8th head. It makes no sense. But IMO, the 8th head itself isnt what is important. The beast is what goes into destruction...not the head. Perhaps thats why it says this Kingdom is different then all other kingdoms. Have you ever noticed the 10 horns, where they are located on the beast? Ive seen many people say the 7th head but that defies the logic of the scripture. As I stated above, all 7 heads were slain. Not 6 slain and we waited for the 7th. 7 were slain. The 10 horns were on the beast, not on the head. The heads had crowns before they were slain and no longer wear crowns, the horns do- on the beast body. No my friend, it is not. The 6th head was Rome, that is a fact. Youre mixing the 6th head with the last beast. That is an opinion and not a fact. You asked, who was the one that "is" in 96 AD and that was the "6th head of the beast, Rome". That was not the last beast of Daniel. You are mixing 2 different things. There is no fact in the Bible that equated the last Beast with Rome or any nation. That is your opinion, the only fact lay in that the 6th head was Rome. The 2 are separate. The last beast is a composite of the 7; that includes Rome but is not just Rome as you say it is. It also includes Grecian, Babylonian and Persian attributes. Yes, the beast of the earth is called a false prophet. That is a correct statement. But, there are 2 distinctions in Daniel and the same 2 are in Revelation. In both Dan 7 and Rev 13, we have a beast of the sea and a beast of the earth. Who is the beast of the sea and earth in Daniel 7? By your testimony, the beast of the sea in Daniel is a gentile King and he had a false prophet too as a beast of the earth. So, who was the false prophet (beast of the earth) to Nebuchadnezzar or Alexander the Great? No sir, the 6th head of this 7 headed beast causes the Beast to cease to exist (for whatever reason) over Israel. You see, you can't have a kingdom that sits in DOMINATION over an entity (Israel) that doesn't any longer exist. In 70 AD Israel ceased to exist, so how can there be a Beast over them? God stated in Ezekiel 37 that Israel would become as Dead Men's Bones (70 AD) until the latter times (end times/NOW) at which point He will breath on those bones and revive Israel. So, between 70 AD and 1948 there can be no Beast over Israel, the Roman Beast can still exist, but once it falls there could be no other Beast power that comes over what God does not recognize as an entity anymore. So, the MORTAL WOUND is thus NO ISRAEL, this no Beast over Israel can exist, thus the 7 headed Beast goes away. I think that which delivered the Mortal Wound was the Church, we turned Rome to a Beast Kingdom into a Christian Nation via the shedding of our blood, prayer, teaching, preaching, and divine intervention. So, I do not say the 6th Head becomes the 7th Head. The 7th Head just arises out of Europe which means the 10 Fractured Kingdoms(All Europe) that came about after Rome Fell, which really just means all the kingdoms in Europe at any given time, which can not come back together, try as they might, be it by war or royal marriage (Seed of men) So, the 7th Head just brings back the 7 Headed Beast that had gone away (figuratively speaking) for nigh 2000 some odd years. He quite simply brings back the Beast by conquering Israel and THE MANY [Nations] in the MSR. People simply overcomplicate these issues, there can be NO BEAST while there is NO ISRAEL to Beast over them, the bible is about Israel in each instance, its speaking about God using these Kingdoms to bring judgment on a wayward Israel. God used Babylon, Greece and Rome to Judge a backslidden Israel, thus its always about Israel, in each instance. So, if Israel had of repented, Jesus would have rescued them in 70AD, we know this via scripture, Jesus sated this in Matthew 23.
Matthew 24:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
So, Jesus would have rescued Israel from Rome in 70 AD, but Israel had to REPENT before the Daniel 9:24-27 Prophecy could come to pass. Thus, in the coming 70th week tribulation, Israel has to REPENT FIRST, before Jesus returns, then they will welcome him, as the other two Matt. 23 verses say to finish out the chapter. Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So, Jesus will come back to an Israeli nation who have already REPENTED before he returns. All men are required to come unto God by FAITH ALONE. The only reason the 7th Head ARISES is because this same region (Europe) one again conquers Israel and the MSR. Just because they arise out of the head (same place) as the Fourth Beast doesn't mean they are the same Beast (4th or 6th), its an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT Beast, of course, its nigh 2000 years later. That which is revived is not a specific kingdom (this is what everyone gets wrong), its the 7 Headed Beast which is a figurative beast, it was Egypt, AND Assyria, AND Babylon, AND, Persia, AND Greece, AND Rome and it will be this MAN/Anti-Christ who brings it back from NOT EXISTING. That is all it means, this MAN heals the WOUNDED 7 Headed Beast which is no more by Conquering Israel and the MSR, thus the Figurative 7 Headed Beast is alive again, over Israel and the MSR. Each was started as a King who turned into a Beast, then when they passed their kingdom on to another it became a Beast Kingdom, except for the 7th who will come, he will never pass his kingdom on to another, thus he himself is called the Beast. Yes, all the heads are literal kingdoms, and in reality, the 7 Headed Beast is a real entity, its Satan's Dark Rule over mankind, and in this instance over Israel and the MSR. But there can be no rule over them when there is NO Israel, and God stated there was NO Israel from 70 AD until 1948. So, yes its a a literal king/MAN who will arise as the Beast over Israel and the MSR, but the 7 Headed Beast is more of a figurative beast, which is real, but spread out over 3000 or so years. The Beast with 7 Heads was passed on by Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, its just successive kingdoms over Israel and the MSR, that Beast could no longer Dominate/Rule over Israel when there was no Israel. Its not about ONE KINGDOM or even MANY KINGDOMS United, its about God using these Kingdoms to bring Israel unto repentance. The Church rendered them VOID. Israel was not around to Beast over, and Satan could not overcome the Church, we had/have the Holy Spirit. There is no 8th head. No one that I know says this tbh. I seen some that don't understand it that tr to claim this, but I do not see an 8th Head. I see an 8th King that is OF THE 7 Heads. That is totally different than an 8th Head. The Beast is not a Demon, the Beast is ANY ENTITY that DOMINATES (the word is simply inserted to show Animalistic type Dominance). Egypt like an ANIMAL Dominated the whole Region. Assyria like an ANIMAL Dominated the Region. Babylon like a Lion DOMINATED the MSR and Israel. Persia like a Bear DOMINATED,, Greece like a Leopard DOMINATED, Rome like an ANIMALISTIC Beast with Iron Teeth DOMINATED the whole Region. The Beast reference is ALL ABOUT DOMINATION, not Demonic entities per se. The Reason Satan is a BEAST is because he rules this whole earth via his DARK POWERSL. The Reason Apollyon is a Beast is because he was placed over the MSR by Satan, not because he's a Demon per se, there is a Demon placed over New York City, he would be said to BEAST/Dominate that area. Its just a term, people have to recognize that term can be used for MEN who Dominate like Alexander the Great, for Kingdoms like Babylon, Rome and Greece and for Demons. The 7 Headed Beast can be NOTHING other than 7 earthly Kingdoms. We know that is what they are, Rev. 17 tells us the 7 Mountains were 7 Kings that arose, and then fell. The 7th Head has not even arose yet. so it can't be slain until its cast into hell. Its a MAN, just like Dan. 7:11 and Rev. 19:20 says. Each head is a Beast. The 10 AROSE and then the Little Horn arises amongst them. There is no 11th Horn on Rev. 13 because he's the 7th Head. That is why the LAST BEAST (Rev. 13....Rev. 17:12) has his 10 Kings give all of their powers over unto him. Again you are conflating issues, I never say that Rome is the LAST BEAST that is a misconception by you. The Last Beast is a MAN, who arises out of the Fourth Beasts (6th Heads) territory (Europe) to become the LAST BEAST, who is a MAN, and is seen as the 7th Head. The Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Assyrian/Man of Sin//Beast or whatever one wishes to call him. He is cast into hell as THE BEAST as both Dan. 7:11 and Rev, 19:20 clearly shows us. The last Beast is a MAN not a composite. Well, there may have been MANY False Prophets to all of these kings, who served Satan, that is not why the FALSE PROPHET had a TYPE however, this TYPE was specific, he has to be a Jewish High Priest who tries to get Israel to Worship the Greek gods (Hellenize them) and forsake their own God. If we had Babylonian High Priests doing this than that doesn't fit the TYPE we are looking for because it must be a Jewish High Priest who sells out to a Gentile King/Beast. Daniel doesn't even give us the False Prophet angle. That is because, imho, the Jews would have killed every other High Priest for the next 500 years if they understood a traitor was coming in the guise of a High Priest/False Prophet. But John was given this, because Israel had already been sacked. The only thing relevant is Antiochus had the name EPIPHANES which means God manifest, and he appointed a High Priest who tried to Hellenize the Jews. That is why they were TYPES or SHADOWS to come. That is why Antiochus is shown from Dan. 11:21-33 maybe 34 and then the Anti-Christ is shown from verses 36-45. He was a FORERUNNER of the coming Anti-Christ. |
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Post by rondonmonson on Oct 6, 2020 13:26:52 GMT -6
Hi venge , the Book of Daniel begins with Judah being captive of Babylon (Dan. 1:1), and continues with subsequent kingdoms ruling over Judah, until the end when Judah is freed (Dan. 12:1). How do you place Egypt as the 1st head? If you are correct then the heads might not apply to captive Judah but to the entire house of Israel; all 12 tribes. Post Script: Perhaps it is not that the Book of Daniel shows Judah being ruled over but that Jerusalem or the temple is ruled over. That is, not only was Judah conquered and subject to Neb and then subsequent kingdoms but Jerusalem and the temple have been subject to these kingdoms as well. Thus, Daniel might have been written to show the temple under the thumb of foreign leaders. fallen 1) Babylon, Jerusalem/temple destroyed fallen 2) Persia, Jerusalem/temple rebuilt fallen 3) Greece, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 4) Roman Republic, presides over Jerusalem/the temple fallen 5) Roman Empire, temple destroyed 6) Ottoman, presides over Jerusalem 7) UN the temple rebuilt 8) The beast of the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem/the temple Five are fallen and three remain (IMO). What is your best guess? For starters, reread and look closely sister, there is no 8th Head. There are only 7 and an 8th King (king of the bottomless pit) is OF THE SEVEN. The 7 Heads would be this. 1.) Egypt 2.) Assyria 3.) Babylon 4.) Persia 5.) Greece 6.) Rome {Thus 5 have FALLEN and ONE IS = Rome at that time or at 96 AD}
Church Age Period..........there are no Beasts during the Church Age, there is no Israel to Beast over until 1948, once the Church is Raptured, the Beast will Conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region to once again become THE BEAST. I can give a play by play of this event BELOW:7.) The Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region to become the LAST BEAST HEAD. We can see who he conquers here: BELOW
Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. So, THE MANY is not just Israel, he Conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. Notice in verse 40 he enters into countries and goes through them to get at Israel (Glorious Land) thus that would be Syria and Lebanon. Then he conquers Israel of course, and all of North Africa. Well, that means he will be ruling over all of the Mediterranean Sea Coast just like Rome did, because Europe already rules over the rest of it, via Italy, Spain, Greece etc. etc. Also, notice who can not be conquered, Edom, Moab and Ammon, now go look on an old map to see where that is at today. It is Central and Southern Jordan OR where Petra and Bozrah is located in the Mountains where Jesus told the Jews to flee unto when they see the AoD in Matt. 24:15-17. So, it is the Anti-Christ. He is the last Beast Head. God bless all. |
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Post by venge on Oct 11, 2020 6:53:35 GMT -6
rondonmonson , Sorry for the late reply. I have been answering other posts on various threads. If you would like to continue, I request you respect my previous statement, which you did not do on your last posts. I have said: If you want to talk about that in a thread, please say: "It is my opinion." When boraddict , asked me about my thought on it (the heads), I replied with an opinion on the 7th head and said: But I don't know. It is an opinion of mine with some good reasoning behind it but it is still my opinion and that is how we should speak when talking about things we dont know without a doubt. I am not hear to talk about your theory, Europe, America, MSG or things of that nature. We are talking about the man of sin. Let us do that if you'd like to continue because I have many questions to ask.
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Post by rondonmonson on Oct 11, 2020 9:47:41 GMT -6
rondonmonson , Sorry for the late reply. I have been answering other posts on various threads. If you would like to continue, I request you respect my previous statement, which you did not do on your last posts. I have said: If you want to talk about that in a thread, please say: "It is my opinion." When boraddict , asked me about my thought on it (the heads), I replied with an opinion on the 7th head and said: But I don't know. It is an opinion of mine with some good reasoning behind it but it is still my opinion and that is how we should speak when talking about things we dont know without a doubt. I am not hear to talk about your theory, Europe, America, MSG or things of that nature. We are talking about the man of sin. Let us do that if you'd like to continue because I have many questions to ask. I am not going to say something is MY OPINION in order to reply to a post to you or anyone else. You are not going to box me in with that. I know what is of the Holy Spirit and what is not of the Holy Spirit, if you have to qualify something, more power to you brother, but I don't. I have been doing this 35 years, 25-30 years ago I was on milk, I am now on meat. I am not just guessing about things. There are very few things I really am not hooked into as per understanding prophecy. One of those things were i was not hooked into a few years ago was Daniel 11, so I did an Exegesis on it and I know who every king was, how he came to power, what the palace intrigue was, who helped him come to power etc. etc. Doing this helped me learn who Jason was and why he is the TYPE False Prophet to come. Basically, you are trying to get me to say I am just guessing when I am not. I am a man of God, called unto prophecy 35 years ago, I don't guess brother. The Bible says the Holy Spirit will lead us unto ALL TRUTH, if people can't get to that truth they are not praying enough, sacrificing enough or studying enough. When I was 27 and everyone else was partying etc. I was home praying, studying, an asking God for guidance. I am not going to pretend I am guessing brother. God Bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 16:39:27 GMT -6
rondonmonson , Sorry for the late reply. I have been answering other posts on various threads. If you would like to continue, I request you respect my previous statement, which you did not do on your last posts. I have said: If you want to talk about that in a thread, please say: "It is my opinion." When boraddict , asked me about my thought on it (the heads), I replied with an opinion on the 7th head and said: But I don't know. It is an opinion of mine with some good reasoning behind it but it is still my opinion and that is how we should speak when talking about things we dont know without a doubt. I am not hear to talk about your theory, Europe, America, MSG or things of that nature. We are talking about the man of sin. Let us do that if you'd like to continue because I have many questions to ask. I am not going to say something is MY OPINION in order to reply to a post to you or anyone else. You are not going to box me in with that. I know what is of the Holy Spirit and what is not of the Holy Spirit, if you have to qualify something, more power to you brother, but I don't. I have been doing this 35 years, 25-30 years ago I was on milk, I am now on meat. I am not just guessing about things. There are very few things I really am not hooked into as per understanding prophecy. One of those things were i was not hooked into a few years ago was Daniel 11, so I did an Exegesis on it and I know who every king was, how he came to power, what the palace intrigue was, who helped him come to power etc. etc. Doing this helped me learn who Jason was and why he is the TYPE False Prophet to come. Basically, you are trying to get me to say I am just guessing when I am not. I am a man of God, called unto prophecy 35 years ago, I don't guess brother. The Bible says the Holy Spirit will lead us unto ALL TRUTH, if people can't get to that truth they are not praying enough, sacrificing enough or studying enough. When I was 27 and everyone else was partying etc. I was home praying, studying, an asking God for guidance. I am not going to pretend I am guessing brother. God Bless. Your hours praying, fasting, shining your Bible don't compare to the 50 years John MacArthur has faithfully taught his church - never to change his mind about any topic. And yet I am sure you would disregard his beliefs because they disagree with your own. |
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No one knows. But if I am correct, then someone will do just that and it should occur just as Jesus takes his people out of Egypt in the case of Moses, out of Judah (?) in the case of Peter, out of the world in our case.
