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Post by davewatchman on Jun 2, 2019 14:27:20 GMT -6
According to which scripture?
LXX?
Mosoretic Text?
You pick. Either 5700, 6000, 5837.903752 It doesn't really specifically matter Bowman. Stop the nonsense. If you have a point make it. Engage people in productive conversation. The Bible only speaks of about 6000 years of Earth's history with man on it. When all the genealogies, the generations, are added up from the Bible chronology. Lots of people have tried it to figure out when the end will come. 6000 years, 6: 1000 year days, plus the thousand years of Revelation 20. Seven one thousand year "days". |
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Post by davewatchman on Jun 2, 2019 14:35:39 GMT -6
You pick. Either 5700, 6000, 5837.903752 It doesn't really specifically matter Bowman. Stop the nonsense. If you have a point make it. Engage people in productive conversation.
YEC's insist on summing the generations to arrive at a creation date....even though scripture NEVER says to do so.
These same people likewise are constantly trying to determine an exact end date for the world as well....no surprise, there...
However...which OT text do you use for this summation?
As you can see, it can vary by thousands of years depending upon which text you use... 
Lots of people have done this, since the early church fathers. I wouldn't try it because i'm lazy. No, it's not that. It's because it IS a lot of work, AND it's never going to get the accuracy that i'm looking for. I want to KNOW. I don't just want to be in the right ballpark. +/- 20 or 30 years is no good to me. Do we start from creation week, or from the day that Adam fell? How do we know how long Adam was in the garden before he fell? See what i mean? This can't give the accuracy that i seek. |
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Post by bowman on Jun 2, 2019 14:53:48 GMT -6
If they are 24hr days,
why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six...?
You're talking about "And the evening and the morning were the ______ day? That's because it's understood. It goes without saying. This differentiates the six days of the week from the seventh day. All six of the literal creation days had this: "And the evening and the morning were the ______ day. The seventh day was different. It was set apart and sanctified. By the only One that can make a day Holy. If the Lord put: "And the evening and the morning were the seventh day", it would make the seventh day an ordinary work day, like the other six. And fear not, God has not been resting since creation week. As a Sabbatarian guy, i not only rest on the seventh day as commanded, i work on the other six days. Six days am i commanded to WORK. This would not make any sense unless these days that we speak of were regular (360 degree rotation of the earth) days. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.
Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.I'll take Him for His Word on this one, especially since He could be at the door right now. But be of good cheer bowman, we might not be as far off as you think. While i believe in a literal, regular (360 degree rotation of the earth), 6 days of creation week, i read nothing unBiblical with there being a LONG time between verse 1 and verse 2. What is that called, Gap Theory? "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
   "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Indeed...we like-minded in many ways...
However...there is a slight problem when 'evening to morning' is mentioned, as the Hebrew day is demarked from 'evening to evening'.....thus, 'evening to morning' can only be 12hrs, tops, probably less, if one holds to this interpretation.
Then we come to Gen 2 which provides the details of creation day 6, in which Adam was supposed to work the garden, name all the birds and animals, and then discover that he was lonely ALL in a 24 hr period of time?
Adam may have had perfect genes - but even he was not superman....
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Post by kjs on Jun 3, 2019 11:39:37 GMT -6
I believe that in six literal 24 hour days, the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. And so i can say, Peaceful Sabbath.
If they are 24hr days, why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six...?
Using "ages" for each of the time-periods under discussion (ie instead of days) leaves many obstacles to over come.
One being the Age of Adam --- Adam was created on Sixth Day -- (we assume approximately around 25 years of Age -- when boy becomes man) So if Adam lived from Day Sixth into Day Seven and Day Seven has never ended -- means Adam lived through several of these "AGES" -- meaning at least several thousand years older than the 900 ascribed to him.
The next issue is DEATH -- Death did not enter the picture until SIN entered it. Meaning that for Years (possibly millions) nothing would have died cause death did not become established until sin entered.
Trying to "MAKE" the theory of Billions and Billions of years fit into the Bible narrative -- is worthless..... Since there are many age limiting devices around....
Such as saltiness of the sea erosion of the mountains
magnetization of the planet
distance to moon
All of these point to a thousands -- not millions of years.......
=============================================== As Gary already stated and I will simply re-state it ....... Pushing an Old Age of Earth -- is breaking Rule #1 |
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Post by bowman on Jun 3, 2019 17:52:01 GMT -6
If they are 24hr days, why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six...?
Using "ages" for each of the time-periods under discussion (ie instead of days) leaves many obstacles to over come.
One being the Age of Adam --- Adam was created on Sixth Day -- (we assume approximately around 25 years of Age -- when boy becomes man)
There is nothing in the Hebrew text to even remotely believe that Adam was fully formed as an adult when he was created.
Gen 2 actually states that Adam was literally made from the ground up - why mention topsoil if Adam was created in the blink of an eye?
Likewise, Eve was created as a child.
And Yahweh Elohim built (way·yi·ḇen) the side which He had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her (way·ḇi·’e·hā) to the man. And the man said, This now at last( hap·pa·‘am) is bone from my bones, and flesh from my flesh. For this shall be called Woman, because this has been taken out of man. (Gen 2.22 – 23)
As the first human clone, three things in these two passages indicate that Eve was created as a child needing to be raised separate from Adam before she was presented back as an age-appropriate mate.
• The Hebrew verb ‘banah’, employed for the creation of Eve, carries with it the meaning to ‘have children’ and ‘obtain children’.
• The Hebrew verb ‘bo’ informs the reader that after Eve was created from Adam, she then had to be brought back to Adam because she was not with Adam. If Eve had been created as a same-age-adult as Adam, then why would Adam have not woken up with Eve by his side to begin with?
• The exclamation ‘hap·pa·‘am’ (at last!) by Adam indicates that he had been waiting for his mate for a very long time. ‘Paam’ carries with it the definition of ‘annual’ and ‘time’, indicating long duration.
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Post by bowman on Jun 3, 2019 17:55:42 GMT -6
If they are 24hr days, why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six...?
So if Adam lived from Day Sixth into Day Seven and Day Seven has never ended -- means Adam lived through several of these "AGES" -- meaning at least several thousand years older than the 900 ascribed to him.
No.
The text never says at what point in day 6 Adam was created.
However, you mentioned his long age which is most certainly longer than 24hrs.
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Post by bowman on Jun 3, 2019 17:57:07 GMT -6
If they are 24hr days, why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six...?
The next issue is DEATH -- Death did not enter the picture until SIN entered it. Meaning that for Years (possibly millions) nothing would have died cause death did not become established until sin entered.
There was animal death LONG before mankind was created.
Job makes this clear to the reader... |
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Post by bowman on Jun 3, 2019 18:00:52 GMT -6
If they are 24hr days, why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six...?
Trying to "MAKE" the theory of Billions and Billions of years fit into the Bible narrative -- is worthless..... Since there are many age limiting devices around....
Such as saltiness of the sea erosion of the mountains
magnetization of the planet
distance to moon
All of these point to a thousands -- not millions of years.......
=============================================== As Gary already stated and I will simply re-state it ....... Pushing an Old Age of Earth -- is breaking Rule #1
Your smart phone would not work without Einstein's Relativity.
But...no doubt you trust and use your cell phone, correct?
The same Relativity that makes you trust your smart phone, also states that the Universe is billions of years old.
Now...
Time to either throw away your phone....or re-evaluate your position on the age of the Universe...
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Post by mike on Jun 3, 2019 18:56:55 GMT -6
Bowman why must you insult and demean. We've tried to be tolerant of your view. You should display some gratitude and grace rather than contempt for rules and those who seek the Lord. Farewell
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Post by bowman on Jun 3, 2019 19:40:45 GMT -6
Bowman why must you insult and demean. We've tried to be tolerant of your view. You should display some gratitude and grace rather than contempt for rules and those who seek the Lord. Farewell
Confidence in my position is what I call it, Mike.
Don't be offended that we have differing views....I'm not... |
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