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Post by mike on Sept 29, 2018 9:59:40 GMT -6
I have been fascinated with the biblical truth of creation for a long time but could reconcile certain obvious contradictions.
Fortunately there are people much wiser, and learned than I am and they are our brothers and sisters in Him!
The time is short so I highly recommend Answers in Genesis and Genesis Apologetics (get their app!) for those who want to share the biblical truth with your scientific nerd friends who are aetheistic in the worldview.
Enjoy this 15 min video
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 11:56:34 GMT -6
So mike, are you a fellow young earther also?
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Post by mike on Oct 1, 2018 12:28:09 GMT -6
First before I answer that Soup, who's ring did you steal? why dont you have a picture with the ring and the leemur?
Yes I believe the Word and much of the information I have been reviewing on these sites scientifically supports the bible. I believed before but now it is much easier to express to someone who has an atheistic view
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 12:53:36 GMT -6
First before I answer that Soup, who's ring did you steal? why dont you have a picture with the ring and the leemur? Yes I believe the Word and much of the information I have been reviewing on these sites scientifically supports the bible. I believed before but now it is much easier to express to someone who has an atheistic view lolol...I wish that ring was real. It’s a replica Houston Astros World Series ring. It’s really big and heavy. And super gawdy. The picture is janky and doesn’t do it justice. I also believe the earth is young ...around 6,000 years, and definitely not billions of years old. And Answers in Genesis was a literal God send in my life when I stumbled upon Ken Hamm and his ministry. I will try and write out the details later when I have a few spare moments, but I am very thankful for him and his staff and what they represent. For some reason, this topic can really ruffle feathers within our Christian family. It’s honeslty a topic I have had more deep discussions about than almost any other topic from the Bible. I am glad that you started this thread Mike. Hope it generates some thoughtful discussions. |
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Post by mike on Oct 1, 2018 13:19:40 GMT -6
Whats really starting to pique my interest is the flood and how significant it was/is. Genesis Apologetics has an app for phones...I watched one of their flood videos yesterday, HEAD EXPLODING!
When I used to think about the flood I imagined it far less disastrous than they help paint. I mean we see things now like New Orleans, Houston, the Carolinas and so on, but global - extinction level flood I cant imagine! What was the cause of it is the question on my mind but thats another topic
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 13:58:33 GMT -6
Yes sir. The flood the Bible describes literally changed the landscape of the earth, there is no way we can imagine how powerful water is, especially with the amount that Genesis talked about.
I live on the Texas coast and have seen first hand what 8 to 10 foot of flood waters from a hurricane can do to a city. It’s looks a war zone after the waters recede. 8 foot of flooding is disastrous to your home, but a drop in the bucket of what The Earth experienced during the flood. There are reports of ocean creatures fossilized on the tops of the highest mountains on earth. How else could those fossils reach the tops of mountains?
The Genesis flood was 1,000s of feet high of violent , crashing water. This was more than just flood waters...it was an actual judgement from God. God did not just kill everything on earth, but rather he destroyed it. The force of that much water is not calculatable and you can easily see how the claims that Ken Ham and his team make about the effects of the flood on the earth could be exactly right.
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Post by Joecool on Oct 2, 2018 5:16:34 GMT -6
Thanks for the video. As someone who swam in some violent rapids (not by choice) I can't even begin to imagine violent crashing water 1000s ft high. Truly terrifying.
What would ya'll say to someone who believes there was a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2?
1: God creatED the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth WAS formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
creatED would imply it was finished. for verse 2 my study bible has an asterick next to the 1st WAS and has it could be became; and was and became mean 2 very different things.
I am asking because it was a topic that came up during a Genesis bible study awhile back.
For the record I tend to lean towards the side of young earth. Especially since I watched the documentary on ancient cultures with dragon pictures that looked like dinosaurs like one described in Job. Humans lived 100s of years, so did reptiles which grower larger with age.
Also on another side note. Wouldn't Satan have had to fall before Adam/Eve in the garden?
Sorry if this post is all over the place. I recently cut out caffiene and no morning coffee= brain on vacation
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2018 7:30:02 GMT -6
JoecoolFirst I just have to ask why the "ED" in CAPS? why not created or CREATED, why creatED? Ok thats outta the way. I have heard this theory of the pause. And of course it is possible but I dont believe the scripture teaches this. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [PAUSE] 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Is it possible God created the heavenly host at this point, maybe. But when reading Genesis it does speak of six literal days marked by "evening & morning". Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.Perhaps this video can help clear some of that too for you. If I linked the correct video there is a guy who explains how earth can be 6000 years old while stars and their light can be billion sof light years away. You best get the coffee and synapses working for this one!
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Post by Joecool on Oct 2, 2018 10:41:19 GMT -6
Joecool First I just have to ask why the "ED" in CAPS? why not created or CREATED, why creatED? Ok thats outta the way. I have heard this theory of the pause. And of course it is possible but I dont believe the scripture teaches this. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [PAUSE] 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Is it possible God created the heavenly host at this point, maybe. But when reading Genesis it does speak of six literal days marked by "evening & morning". Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.Perhaps this video can help clear some of that too for you. If I linked the correct video there is a guy who explains how earth can be 6000 years old while stars and their light can be billion sof light years away. You best get the coffee and synapses working for this one! the capitalized Ed was to emphasize God finished it in verse 1 and why would He create something without form and void? Though as I am typing this and now more awake I realize the first verse was probably a summary followed by a more complete description of what transpired. I am going to blame my slow brain on lack of coffee this morning. also I don't think the right video was linked, because it didn't talk about the stars at all. |
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 2, 2018 11:13:48 GMT -6
after watching the video you posted, mike , this came up on the list of additional videos to watch:
really puts the timeline in perspective.
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2018 11:17:27 GMT -6
I have watched several of those videos now. That was the wrong one but eye opening nonetheless. Try this one Joecool! Head may explode, so have the coffee at the ready! I watched it a couple times already and really don't get it. Its easier to believe God did it, but science can back it up it (for the nerds like yardstick - he loves when I call him nerd). The time stretching part kicks in around the 7 minute mark |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 12:30:09 GMT -6
after watching the video you posted, mike , this came up on the list of additional videos to watch:
really puts the timeline in perspective.
While this video is entertaining, are we ready to say that the Bible is incorrect in its timeline due to a translation issue from Hebrew? I didn’t feel comfortable with the liberties this video took. |
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 2, 2018 13:33:42 GMT -6
Well, as the guy did produce 'witnesses' to the error, I would add a verse from Jeremiah 8:8 "How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us?’ But in fact, the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception."
I'm still on the fence since we weren't there to physically witness it, but his math does add up and makes the timeline fit more logically.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 14:05:38 GMT -6
Well, as the guy did produce 'witnesses' to the error, I would add a verse from Jeremiah 8:8 "How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us?’ But in fact, the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception."
I'm still on the fence since we weren't there to physically witness it, but his math does add up and makes the timeline fit more logically.
But are those actually witnesses? None of them were actually there either. I just think that it’s a very slippery slope to start picking and choosing portions of the Bible and saying Gods word is incorrect. I am not suggesting that you are saying Gods word is incorrect Stormyknight, I am just admitting that I am not near smart enough to try and decipher what may or may not be accurate in the the Bible. I just choose to blindly believe it is Gods living word and that it is infallible. |
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Post by socalexile on Oct 2, 2018 15:48:35 GMT -6
Look up Gerald Schroeder and Sarah Salviander for an alternative theory to strict YEC and OEC. Here is a presentation from SS's Site: sixdayscience.com/six-days-2/Gerald Schroeder: |
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