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Post by Natalie on Oct 2, 2018 17:14:08 GMT -6
My issue with having the earth be billions of years old is that fact that there would have been death before sin entered the world.
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Post by venge on Oct 2, 2018 17:23:11 GMT -6
after watching the video you posted, mike , this came up on the list of additional videos to watch:
really puts the timeline in perspective.
While this video is entertaining, are we ready to say that the Bible is incorrect in its timeline due to a translation issue from Hebrew? I didn’t feel comfortable with the liberties this video took. Wow, the video is interesting. I don’t know....it doesn’t change the fact on what we believe which is what we need but can it be possible? I’d think so. Doesn’t change faith though |
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2018 17:33:47 GMT -6
I have been saying that the big bang happened when God said 'let there be light!' for years. Good stuff SoCal thanks for sharing.
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 2, 2018 20:34:03 GMT -6
What I would like to ask an astronomer, like Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Ok, we know the universe is expanding, everything is moving away from each other. From the perspective of the Earth, which direction is everything moving? Where is the earth in relation to the center point, the big bang, from where everything is expanding from? If, as I suspect, that everything is moving away from here, Earth, then the Genesis account still holds up since the Earth was created before the heavens. The Earth was created, v.2, before the Sun and the Moon, v.3. The heavens weren't created until verse 16. "...And He made the stars as well".
Are any of you are familiar with the Fermi Paradox? It asks the question that if there is other intelligent life in the universe, where is everybody? Why hasn't, in 4 or 14 billion years, anyone made contact with Earth? One of the possible answers to that question is that we are the first and most advanced, however unlikely, life in the universe. My question is 'Why not?'
"For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God." Rom. 8:19-21
There will be intelligent life in the universe...when we get there.
I watched the debate between Ken Hamm and Bill Nye from the Answers in Genesis YT channel. Once again, very interesting. At one point, Bill asked Ken if he could prove the existence of God. Ken said, that while he cannot prove it to anyone, God showed him, beyond doubt, that He exists. What I wanted to say to Bill at that point is that no one can prove the existence of God except God Himself. I would tell Bill, 'go ask God to prove He exists and then come back with your testimony'. Ask any (true)Christian why they believe and they will give you their testimony. They can't prove it, but God has revealed Himself to them in some way. It's what makes them believe. Makes US believe! I can tell you that in February of 1988, my wife and I, just beginning our walk with God, not yet baptized, packed up our belongings into a horsetrailer and pickup and moved 1000 miles with only the possibility of an opening for a job for me and $500 in cash. We had made no arrangements for a place to live. By the end of the very first day after we arrived, I had a job and we were unpacking our stuff into a small house that we rented. Six months later, we did the same thing again. We've been here 30 years now, this last August. We have three kids and one grandson with another on the way. I cannot believe that God, our Heavenly Father, had nothing to do with all of that. (we were finally baptized in 1991, when my wife was 3 months pregnant with our first child)
and @soup2345 , I don't believe there are errors in the Word of God, but I do believe, as Jer. 8:8 states, there are errors in the translation, which some could very well have been on purpose. Oh how I wish I understood ancient Hebrew and Greek and had copies of the original manuscripts.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2018 20:57:01 GMT -6
Everyone seems to be forgetting a Creator who is fully omnipotent enough to create a universe and give it 'built in' age?
Alternately, the dating mechanisms are off by 1012. FWIW, Chuck Missler has stated that some of the evidence he has seen seems to indicate this hypothesis.
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Post by david on Oct 2, 2018 22:50:26 GMT -6
Everyone seems to be forgetting a Creator who is fully omnipotent enough to create a universe and give it 'built in' age? I like the question of whether Adam and Eve had navels. If they did, they bore evidence of a pregnancy and birth which never happened. I like to think they did so that when their first child was born they would be able to grasp the purpose and normalcy of the umbilical cord.
My mother used to speculate that the earth was created with a built-in past which would explain fossil evidence and other such anomalies.
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Post by mike on Oct 3, 2018 6:01:41 GMT -6
Everyone seems to be forgetting a Creator who is fully omnipotent enough to create a universe and give it 'built in' age? I like the question of whether Adam and Eve had navels. If they did, they bore evidence of a pregnancy and birth which never happened. I like to think they did so that when their first child was born they would be able to grasp the purpose and normalcy of the umbilical cord.
My mother used to speculate that the earth was created with a built-in past which would explain fossil evidence and other such anomalies.
the flood may explain all of the fossils and the layers thereof. Catastrophism is the culprit and although Genesis states 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. There is some new evidence that the earth does in fact have water beneath, inside where we had always thought it to be solid or molten in form. In any event God uses messengers to do his bidding. Again it is very possible and perhaps likely this catastrophic event was caused by something in the solar system. I won't attempt to get into details but will point you (or anyone else) to some great literature on this subject. Mars was once thought to be the messenger or angel of the Lord. Or perhaps an angel of the Lord. Not being dogmatic about it for sure but the possibility of one of the planets swinging in closer than it currently does is quite plausible if you read the research and the history recorded about it. The article on the Mars-Earth wars I have read is in our Apologetics category linked here. There is another which I have not been able to procure that speaks of this to greater detail as it pertains to the flood...Those interested in the truth of history and how the earth was shaped the way it is today, please consider this information in your worldview |
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Post by kjs on Oct 3, 2018 7:09:08 GMT -6
This is the place that "proved to me" the Earth was only 6k years old......
Seeing the human footprints alongside (and inside) dinosaur footprints ...........
It has been many years since I and some friends drove down from Dallas to see it (the museum) ........
I was disappointed because it was so SMALL ........
But the videos and artifacts were GREAT!!!
Do not know if it is still that small..........
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 8:17:57 GMT -6
Kjs...is that the museum that had found fossilized human leg bone in a pair of cowboy boots? Proving that fossils didn’t need eons of time to form.
It seems like those boots were found in Texas also but my memory is hazy on it
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Post by kjs on Oct 3, 2018 10:27:36 GMT -6
Kjs...is that the museum that had found fossilized human leg bone in a pair of cowboy boots? Proving that fossils didn’t need eons of time to form. It seems like those boots were found in Texas also but my memory is hazy on it I do not think so .... but it was many years ago ... so it is possible....
BUT if my memory serves me right .... that fossilized boots were shown in some video....
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Post by kjs on Oct 3, 2018 10:39:54 GMT -6
Mike: Very easy steps..... If picture coming from webbsite, click on picture go to properties and copy it's address (URL) -- then come here and click on insert picture icon -- add address (URL) and your done.
IF picture is on your computer -- use the attachment method (screen shots shown above)
Add Attachment: After you click the Add Attachment button, a new window will pop up letting you know how many files you can upload at a time, along with what the file size limit per attachment is. To attach a file, click the + Add Files... button, and then choose a file that you would like to upload from the Browse window that pops up. Once you choose a file, you will see a progress bar for the attachment that is uploading.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 3, 2018 17:00:01 GMT -6
Kjs...is that the museum that had found fossilized human leg bone in a pair of cowboy boots? Proving that fossils didn’t need eons of time to form. It seems like those boots were found in Texas also but my memory is hazy on it I remember reading a story a while ago about a fossilized.... spark plug. Yep, that's right. IIRC, the spark plug was from the 1950s. |
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Post by mike on Oct 4, 2018 9:00:51 GMT -6
Everyone seems to be forgetting a Creator who is fully omnipotent enough to create a universe and give it 'built in' age? Alternately, the dating mechanisms are off by 10 12. FWIW, Chuck Missler has stated that some of the evidence he has seen seems to indicate this hypothesis. One of the other recent videos I watched talked about this very fact "the appearance of age". Adam was created and appeared to be 20-25 years old but only one day old. He was created as an adult male, capable of caring for himself, unlike a 1 day old infant |
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Post by bernie on Oct 11, 2018 19:47:31 GMT -6
First before I answer that Soup, who's ring did you steal? why dont you have a picture with the ring and the leemur? Yes I believe the Word and much of the information I have been reviewing on these sites scientifically supports the bible. I believed before but now it is much easier to express to someone who has an atheistic view lolol...I wish that ring was real. It’s a replica Houston Astros World Series ring. It’s really big and heavy. And super gawdy. The picture is janky and doesn’t do it justice. I also believe the earth is young ...around 6,000 years, and definitely not billions of years old. And Answers in Genesis was a literal God send in my life when I stumbled upon Ken Hamm and his ministry. I will try and write out the details later when I have a few spare moments, but I am very thankful for him and his staff and what they represent. For some reason, this topic can really ruffle feathers within our Christian family. It’s honeslty a topic I have had more deep discussions about than almost any other topic from the Bible. I am glad that you started this thread Mike. Hope it generates some thoughtful discussions. Mike & Soup: I appreciate the videos, and enjoyed reading both of your comments. I agree, a young earth belief makes the most sense. I had a pastor in Germany in the 80s who taught on this subject. I'm not sure if it was him, but I remember someone saying they believed the Grand Canyon was made when the water was removed from the earth after the flood. Interesting thought though, and at least it's looking in the right direction. Soup, glad to see you're an Astros fan. I'm a Sox fan looking forward to the ALCS. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 11, 2018 19:59:19 GMT -6
lolol...I wish that ring was real. It’s a replica Houston Astros World Series ring. It’s really big and heavy. And super gawdy. The picture is janky and doesn’t do it justice. I also believe the earth is young ...around 6,000 years, and definitely not billions of years old. And Answers in Genesis was a literal God send in my life when I stumbled upon Ken Hamm and his ministry. I will try and write out the details later when I have a few spare moments, but I am very thankful for him and his staff and what they represent. For some reason, this topic can really ruffle feathers within our Christian family. It’s honeslty a topic I have had more deep discussions about than almost any other topic from the Bible. I am glad that you started this thread Mike. Hope it generates some thoughtful discussions. Mike & Soup: I appreciate the videos, and enjoyed reading both of your comments. I agree, a young earth belief makes the most sense. I had a pastor in Germany in the 80s who taught on this subject. I'm not sure if it was him, but I remember someone saying they believed the Grand Canyon was made when the water was removed from the earth after the flood. Interesting thought though, and at least it's looking in the right direction. Soup, glad to see you're an Astros fan. I'm a Sox fan looking forward to the ALCS. I am in that geographic area, and from a zoomed out view, it does indeed look like there was a L OT of drainage from the 'great salt lake' down into the baja cali area. via the colorado river. Driving up I-15, you can 'see' how the land slopes toward Lake Mead and Hoover Dam. FWIW, Las Vegas is in the bottom of a 'valley' or 'bowl' too. |
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