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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 31, 2017 10:05:01 GMT -6
It is a wise man (or woman) who always acknowledges he could be wrong.
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Post by yardstick on Aug 31, 2017 10:50:01 GMT -6
....and to add one more point: It may very well be, that the bridegroom tarries! I don't know for how long, but I will still be waiting for Him then with desire and continue to study the Scriptures and do His work. And my guess is, that almost everyone in this forum have the same mindset! I'm still pondering on this... The bridegroom may have been tarrying for about 2000 years. Recall the encouragement given to believers in the scriptures, by the writers thereof, who were persecuted between 35 and 100AD. (1 Thes 4:13-18, Heb 10:32-39) IIRC, some thought they would be taken out of this world shortly after Christ's ascension... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 11:16:34 GMT -6
....and to add one more point: It may very well be, that the bridegroom tarries! I don't know for how long, but I will still be waiting for Him then with desire and continue to study the Scriptures and do His work. And my guess is, that almost everyone in this forum have the same mindset! I'm still pondering on this... The bridegroom may have been tarrying for about 2000 years. Recall the encouragement given to believers in the scriptures, by the writers thereof, who were persecuted between 35 and 100AD. (1 Thes 4:13-18, Heb 10:32-39) IIRC, some thought they would be taken out of this world shortly after Christ's ascension... Fully agreed, yardstick.  Maybe, I should have been a bit more precise in my original statement. I had the impression that some people could be a bit disappointed, if the rapture is not going to happen around the 23rd september. So the "tarry", I spoke of, was meant to be measured from now on rather from Christ's ascension... |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 31, 2017 12:00:28 GMT -6
The bridegroom may have been tarrying for about 2000 years. Recall the encouragement given to believers in the scriptures, by the writers thereof, who were persecuted between 35 and 100AD. (1 Thes 4:13-18, Heb 10:32-39) IIRC, some thought they would be taken out of this world shortly after Christ's ascension... Fully agreed, yardstick. Maybe, I should have been a bit more precise in my original statement. I had the impression that some people could be a bit disappointed, if the rapture is not going to happen around the 23rd september. So the "tarry", I spoke of, was meant to be measured from now on rather from Christ's ascension... Would the disappointment then not be the result of expectation, rather than the delay? If so, does it make sense that we are discussing the same kind of scenario that the believers previously referred to were exhorted for? Should we put all our eggs in one basket? Is putting all one's eggs in a single basket an act of faith? Is dividing ones eggs between baskets an act of faith? Should we plan for as many contingencies/scenarios as possible, with the faith that God will use our actions appropriately? Which course of action is the most prudent? Apologies for the intensity of my (rhetorical) questions! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:07:16 GMT -6
Yardstick - I wish we were neighbors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:28:56 GMT -6
Fully agreed, yardstick. Maybe, I should have been a bit more precise in my original statement. I had the impression that some people could be a bit disappointed, if the rapture is not going to happen around the 23rd september. So the "tarry", I spoke of, was meant to be measured from now on rather from Christ's ascension... Would the disappointment then not be the result of expectation, rather than the delay? If so, does it make sense that we are discussing the same kind of scenario that the believers previously referred to were exhorted for? Should we put all our eggs in one basket? Is putting all one's eggs in a single basket an act of faith? Is dividing ones eggs between baskets an act of faith? Should we plan for as many contingencies/scenarios as possible, with the faith that God will use our actions appropriately? Which course of action is the most prudent? Apologies for the intensity of my (rhetorical) questions! No apologies required. These are very good questions to all of us. I admit I do not have final and satisfying answers. The only thing I can surely say is: "I know that my redeemer lives". Other members are way more talented in writing and expressing their thoughts... So let me cite again my favourite mouse: |
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 1, 2017 14:42:48 GMT -6
Yea... I'm going full troll level 9000 on you guys! J/k |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 1, 2017 23:27:45 GMT -6
As long as you're not in Con-Troll. Sorry, that was supposed to be funny.  |
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Post by evenso on Sept 2, 2017 11:54:16 GMT -6
Why would he tell us to watch if there are no signs to watch for? I love waking up each morning and almost every day seeing more and more things the Lord is revealing to us. Things we didn't "see" yesterday. If nothing happens that we were expecting to happen, I know God will continue to give us more signs then that we cannot see now. We walk in the light and as we take another step, more light is given. Having studied end time prophecy for over 50 years, I can testify that this is true. I believe it is exactly what Daniel was talking about when he said, "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” |
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Post by mike on Sept 2, 2017 12:19:36 GMT -6
Why would he tell us to watch if there are no signs to watch for? I love waking up each morning and almost every day seeing more and more things the Lord is revealing to us. Things we didn't "see" yesterday. If nothing happens that we were expecting to happen, I know God will continue to give us more signs then that we cannot see now. We walk in the light and as we take another step, more light is given. Having studied end time prophecy for over 50 years, I can testify that this is true. I believe it is exactly what Daniel was talking about when he said, "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” Isn't it amazing how our knowledge of Him is increased so much the last year or so? Things are being revealed regularly. |
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Post by tom67x on Sept 17, 2017 10:47:24 GMT -6
I don't recall the site owners and writers stating definitively that the Rapture will happen on the 23rd or 24th, just that the season appears right, and the sign itself is foregone conclusion. Personally, and I think scripture is clear here too according to Pauline writings, our departure has been imminent since Christ ascended. It does seem more plausible to me that our departure happen in accordance with a feast day, but we- in our excitement I think, sometimes get too carried away and set ourselves up for ridicule- and frankly, we should be ridiculed if we are set apart from this life! Who are we to not undergo not only testing, but outright persecution, the likes of which our brethren around the world face- unto death! We have it waaay to easy here in the US in my humble opinion. We don't deserve our very next breath- that in itself a gift of God- so if we don't see ridicule and persecution...maybe we are doing something wrong...?
We ought to welcome it, in honor to the Christ Jesus- on His behalf and expectancy. No one likes it, or to think about it for sure, but we have to own it regardless of whether we are getting jazzed up for a day or a season, and whether our words are taken literally or out of context beyond our control. Scoffers always do that...it's their nature.
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Post by lookingabove on Sept 17, 2017 22:02:21 GMT -6
I'm glad this question was asked. The Sept 23rd sign in the sky is relatively new news to me and very exciting! I am puzzled that so many have come to the conclusion that it may well be the day of the rapture in light of the scripture that says no man knows the day or the hour.
I wonder if it is a silent sign like the star over Bethlehem? Who is the sign for specifically, the Jewish people, believers in Christ, or everyone? Maybe it heralds upcoming events rather than the rapture? The rapture isn't heralded with a sign in the sky is it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 23:10:06 GMT -6
I'm glad this question was asked. The Sept 23rd sign in the sky is relatively new news to me and very exciting! I am puzzled that so many have come to the conclusion that it may well be the day of the rapture in light of the scripture that says no man knows the day or the hour. I wonder if it is a silent sign like the star over Bethlehem? Who is the sign for specifically, the Jewish people, believers in Christ, or everyone? Maybe it heralds upcoming events rather than the rapture? The rapture isn't heralded with a sign in the sky is it? Welcome here lookingabove , You will find out that nearly everyone here is pondering on the same questions. To me, this sign (if we really interpreted it correctly) shows the nearness of the 2nd advent of Christ, the trib and therefor the rapture too. Overall I see the Rev 12 sign as one (1) piece of a big puzzle that is going to be completed soon. IMO it's the CONVERGENCE of all that is important. Can't stress this point enough.... Jesus said in Matth 24:33 "...when you see all these things". - The events around Israel (Iran, Syria, ..., looming Ez 38 war, Isaiah 17 destruction of Damascus) - Earthquakes, storms, floods, weather disasters, wars - Heavenly signs (blood moons, eclipses) on specific dates - Rapidly increasing apostasy and ungodliness - Rev 12 sign seems to be linked with pyramid (Daniel Matson watchfortheday.org/signsoftheend/giza.html)- Number "coincidences" (I prefer to label it God incidences) pointing to 2017 The list goes on and on, I'm sure you have figured out these things before, don't want to bore you.... But to answer some of your questions from my point of view: If this sign is for the Jews, then it would follow the rapture and herald the tribulation. Would make sense, wouldn't it? And in my eyes, there is no need to make a link to the rapture. Would be nice and would make lots of sense, but it doesn't kill the validity of the sign at all, if the rapture does not happen within the next few days. |
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Post by lookingabove on Sept 18, 2017 8:42:11 GMT -6
Thank you so much for your detailed reply Stephan! It just feel unsettled when people get attached to a date since we don't know the day or hour, it gives scoffers an opportunity to scoff, and discourages Christians when nothing overt happens. I agree that so many events are converging right now! Are there any threads or links on how to concisely share this with kids? My 14 yr doesn't understand why adults want to talk about something that he views as scary. My dh is no longer pre-trib so we don't discuss this and his comments about endtimes tends to unsettle the kids. In light of all the natural disasters I want to talk with my kids about this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 9:47:49 GMT -6
Thank you so much for your detailed reply Stephan! It just feel unsettled when people get attached to a date since we don't know the day or hour, it gives scoffers an opportunity to scoff, and discourages Christians when nothing overt happens. I agree that so many events are converging right now! Are there any threads or links on how to concisely share this with kids? My 14 yr doesn't understand why adults want to talk about something that he views as scary. My dh is no longer pre-trib so we don't discuss this and his comments about endtimes tends to unsettle the kids. In light of all the natural disasters I want to talk with my kids about this. You are always welcome! I'm sure whatif or the other mods here can point you to some helpful threads. Have you checked out this wonderful summary? unsealed.boards.net/thread/645/quick-reference-guide-thread-topics?page=3&scrollTo=8206aWill pray for you and your family, and I'm quite sure, others will too! Regarding the question pre/mid/post/whatever rapture, my personal opinion on this boils down to the folllwing questions I'm asking myself: How does this view affect my life as follower of our saviour Yeshua? Does it draw me near to Him and am I doing His work? Nevertheless, to me a pretrib rapture is the blessed hope, Paul writes of. It challenges me every single day, because of the imminence. Jesus shall find me prepared and doing His work when he comes for his church. As I said in another thread, the by far best commendation for me would be to hear Jesus saying "well done, faithful servant". Much blessings, sister! |
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