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Post by socalexile on Mar 29, 2022 20:21:06 GMT -6
I believe everything about what Russia sent into Ukraine was supposed to be old, dilapidated, and crappy. Why? "Russian military strategy prioritizes the threat of further punishment. It would introduce high-end conventional firepower when a low-cost strategy appears insufficient, and it could escalate or de-escalate force depending on the situation." -- crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11625Pages 1 and 2 That's their strategy. They sent in the crappy equipment first. The YT video you just posted on the old Russian mortar equipment in Ukraine just confirms the CRS Report from 2020. Again, what equipment? Missiles don't win wars. What do they have that can take ground? That old mortar equipment doesn't prove your theory, in fact it's showing that there's a HUGE difference between what gets passed in committee meetings to politicians and what is actually reality on the ground. It's like taking talking prophecy assumptions about the Jews before 1948 and assuming that they are still valid in 1949. Right now Russia looks so weak that US and NATO are confident we don't have to get involved. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 29, 2022 20:25:24 GMT -6
Sure, Russia could launch nukes, but they don't need a pretext for that and we'd fire back. MAD still applies. BTW I guarantee you that the youtubers I posted so far could absolutely school a DC bureaucrat or politician as to how wars are actually fought and what a good military looks like. I'm retired Army. The Russians are not in a position of strength right now. Also:  |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 29, 2022 20:31:47 GMT -6
Sure, Russia could launch nukes, but they don't need a pretext for that and we'd fire back. MAD still applies. I believe that whomever is in office when the US is eventually nuked will purposefully not counter attack with nukes in order to "preserve" the human race. Or, the US will be incapacitated enough to not have the ability to counter attack. Either way, its Babylon that falls in 1 hour. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 29, 2022 20:38:53 GMT -6
Sure, Russia could launch nukes, but they don't need a pretext for that and we'd fire back. MAD still applies. I believe that whomever is in office when the US is eventually nuked will purposefully not counter attack with nukes in order to "preserve" the human race. Or, the US will be incapacitated enough to not have the ability to counter attack. Either way, its Babylon that falls in 1 hour. You're arguing from eisegesis. Both Russia and the US have had satellites that detect ballistic missile launches for decades. Once a launch is detected the response is automatic for ballistic missiles. Then there's the sub-launched missiles that ensure a response, as part of the nuclear triad - as a CG vet you should know what that is. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 29, 2022 20:46:16 GMT -6
I believe that whomever is in office when the US is eventually nuked will purposefully not counter attack with nukes in order to "preserve" the human race. Or, the US will be incapacitated enough to not have the ability to counter attack. Either way, its Babylon that falls in 1 hour. You're arguing from eisegesis. Both Russia and the US have had satellites that detect ballistic missile launches for decades. Once a launch is detected the response is automatic for ballistic missiles. Then there's the sub-launched missiles that ensure a response, as part of the nuclear triad - as a CG vet you should know what that is. Yea, satellites are easily incapacitated. I'm quite sure China would be more than happy to oblige in working out that little detail. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 29, 2022 20:55:06 GMT -6
You're arguing from eisegesis. Both Russia and the US have had satellites that detect ballistic missile launches for decades. Once a launch is detected the response is automatic for ballistic missiles. Then there's the sub-launched missiles that ensure a response, as part of the nuclear triad - as a CG vet you should know what that is. Yea, satellites are easily incapacitated. I'm quite sure China would be more than happy to oblige in working out that little detail. You don't understand the nuclear triad...what actual military experience do you have? And can you actually answer my question on what "expensive high-tech weapons Russia is holding back for the US" can take some ground? |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 29, 2022 21:01:11 GMT -6
Yea, satellites are easily incapacitated. I'm quite sure China would be more than happy to oblige in working out that little detail. You don't understand the nuclear triad, do you? What actual military experience do you have BTW? And can you actually answer my question on what "expensive high-tech weapons Russia is holding back for the US" can take some ground? I fully understand a triad is reliant on procedures which are reliant on technology. Without Presidential approval, no nukes will fly from the US. My experience is operation and maintenance on Navy radar and weapons systems for USCG cutters. As to your question on what can take ground, if US electronic equipment is disabled, satellites are unresponsive, and the power grids are off. Russia only has to wait for Americans to die off from starvation. Then they can just march another 10% of their army off boats right onto US soil and enjoy the plunder. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 29, 2022 21:12:44 GMT -6
I fully understand a triad is reliant on procedures which are reliant on technology. Without Presidential approval, no nukes will fly from the US. My experience is operation and maintenance on Navy radar and weapons systems for USCG cutters. As to your question on what can take ground, if US electronic equipment is disabled and the power grids are off. Russia only has to wait for Americans to die off from starvation. Then they can just march another 10% of their army off boats right onto US soil and enjoy the plunder. If you understand that we have nuke subs out 24/7, then you should understand that your argument about satellites is nonsense. You're basically talking sophistry at this point since you have no first hand knowledge of US or Russian capabilities other than a very generalized prep document for the US defense industries' sales pitch. You're last sentence is without a doubt the most ignorant thing I have read in a while. I do not believe you were in the CG after reading that, or at the very least are way, way, out of your area of knowledge and don't care to show a little humility and listen to guys putting out very detailed levels of information that contradict what narrative you want to portray as true. I also don't think you're giving anyone the respect of taking this discussion seriously. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 30, 2022 7:46:12 GMT -6
I fully understand a triad is reliant on procedures which are reliant on technology. Without Presidential approval, no nukes will fly from the US. My experience is operation and maintenance on Navy radar and weapons systems for USCG cutters. As to your question on what can take ground, if US electronic equipment is disabled and the power grids are off. Russia only has to wait for Americans to die off from starvation. Then they can just march another 10% of their army off boats right onto US soil and enjoy the plunder. If you understand that we have nuke subs out 24/7, then you should understand that your argument about satellites is nonsense. You're basically talking sophistry at this point since you have no first hand knowledge of US or Russian capabilities other than a very generalized prep document for the US defense industries' sales pitch. You're last sentence is without a doubt the most ignorant thing I have read in a while. I do not believe you were in the CG after reading that, or at the very least are way, way, out of your area of knowledge and don't care to show a little humility and listen to guys putting out very detailed levels of information that contradict what narrative you want to portray as true. I also don't think you're giving anyone the respect of taking this discussion seriously. Based on the latest report from Congress... 2021 U.S. Strategic Nuclear Forces: Background, Developments, and Issues crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33640Page 29, There are only 12 Ohio class submarines currently active. 2 are docked for overhaul. Pages 59 thru 66, there is an active debate on decommissioning the entire ICBM leg of the triad as being unnecessary; both positions, for and against, are reviewed. -------------- Team remove ICBM says: "Those who support the elimination of ICBMs conclude that the United States can deter a nuclear attack by threatening retaliation with its survivable submarine-based missiles and without relying on vulnerable and dangerous land-based missiles." -------------- Team keep ICBM says: "They also raise concerns about the future survivability of ballistic missile submarines—particularly if technological developments render them vulnerable" -------------- I'm betting that China and Russia have planned for dealing with the vulnerabilities of our tech. Russia invaded. They have a plan. Let's look at the technology side. The SolarWinds hack proved that America is not bullet proof. The Russians were in our government systems for MORE than a year before we discovered it. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11559More cyber attacks: crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46974Latest cyberattack report: crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12061Who knows what kind of worms and time delayed virus payloads were left behind in the various systems we haven't dealt with. Yea, the Russians have leverage. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 30, 2022 8:51:34 GMT -6
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Post by socalexile on Mar 30, 2022 16:47:40 GMT -6
If you understand that we have nuke subs out 24/7, then you should understand that your argument about satellites is nonsense. You're basically talking sophistry at this point since you have no first hand knowledge of US or Russian capabilities other than a very generalized prep document for the US defense industries' sales pitch. You're last sentence is without a doubt the most ignorant thing I have read in a while. I do not believe you were in the CG after reading that, or at the very least are way, way, out of your area of knowledge and don't care to show a little humility and listen to guys putting out very detailed levels of information that contradict what narrative you want to portray as true. I also don't think you're giving anyone the respect of taking this discussion seriously. Based on the latest report from Congress... 2021 U.S. Strategic Nuclear Forces: Background, Developments, and Issues crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33640Page 29, There are only 12 Ohio class submarines currently active. 2 are docked for overhaul. Pages 59 thru 66, there is an active debate on decommissioning the entire ICBM leg of the triad as being unnecessary; both positions, for and against, are reviewed. -------------- Team remove ICBM says: "Those who support the elimination of ICBMs conclude that the United States can deter a nuclear attack by threatening retaliation with its survivable submarine-based missiles and without relying on vulnerable and dangerous land-based missiles." -------------- Team keep ICBM says: "They also raise concerns about the future survivability of ballistic missile submarines—particularly if technological developments render them vulnerable" -------------- I'm betting that China and Russia have planned for dealing with the vulnerabilities of our tech. Russia invaded. They have a plan. Let's look at the technology side. The SolarWinds hack proved that America is not bullet proof. The Russians were in our government systems for MORE than a year before we discovered it. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11559More cyber attacks: crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46974Latest cyberattack report: crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12061Who knows what kind of worms and time delayed virus payloads were left behind in the various systems we haven't dealt with. Yea, the Russians have leverage. For someone who calls the USA "Babylon" you sure do like appealing to authority using their materials when it suits you. You're arguing very myopic things using a LOT of assumptions about US capabilities without considering what the US actually has, as if everything possible will always work in Russia's favor and no one will ever do anything different in response. It's clear from the Ukraine war that is not the case. If Russia had the ability to destroy the US easily as you claim, they would have done it already. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 30, 2022 16:50:05 GMT -6
Again you're posting read-on documents for defense industry sales pitches. If the problem has been identified there's a solution in the works, and if Congress gets one of these documents it's because they're about to be sold on the solution. Again, if Russia really has nothing to worry about they could just do it. They haven't so either you're overstating their capabilities or understating ours. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 30, 2022 17:03:07 GMT -6
Something to consider about the hype about Russian numbers: how much is 209,000 + 102,000 + 900,000 = ? As much as the TOTAL that Russia can theoretically call up (but can't supply); except that's the total number of Ukrainian forces, which is on the low side considering the population is 44 million.  |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 30, 2022 17:13:04 GMT -6
My point in arguing all this is:
1) it doesn't say "Rus" in Ezekiel 38-39, you have to ignore that the Rus people didn't exist in 570 BCE (estimate when Ezekiel died). So if that is prophetic, then why aren't the other names? It's inconsistent logic and confusion.
2) Russia, which is not actually the historical Rus people who originated in the medieval era*, isn't capable of being the people who attack Israel. They're having trouble fighting a war at their own border, much less in the Mediterranean.
3) You could argue that they take a very minor role, but again you run into the problem of what Ezekiel actually wrote and historical fact.
*The Muscovite people founded Moscow in the 12th century - modern Russia isn't actually led by historical Russians.
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 30, 2022 21:53:39 GMT -6
Again you're posting read-on documents for defense industry sales pitches. If the problem has been identified there's a solution in the works, and if Congress gets one of these documents it's because they're about to be sold on the solution. Again, if Russia really has nothing to worry about they could just do it. They haven't so either you're overstating their capabilities or understating ours. CRS reports are created specifically for Congress but are also made public for anyone to utilize, they are not made for defense contractors trying to make a buck. They cover all ranges of topics most of which unrelated to defense. To say it's limited to "defense industry sales pitches" would be a mistake. |
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