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Post by socalexile on Mar 11, 2022 19:07:21 GMT -6
This is not historically correct to say the least. Babylon and Egypt weren't democracies, they were monarchies. Democracy originated in Athens. Rome was a republic, but only for part of it's history, ending in 27BC, when it functionally became an absolute monarchy. So Democracy is evil, but it's Babylon, Rome, and Egypt? Huh? True, Democracy is technically Grecian. But what we have, the Senate, it's styled after Rome. We carry the eagle. We are a child of Rome. You're not making any sense. Again Rome at the height of it's power wasn't a republic, nor was it one during the time of the New Testament. The eagle was also the symbol of several monarchies located in places that were never in the Roman Empire (Poland, Russia). The Book of Kells has something to say about eagle symbolism. I suppose if you ignore history or even facts you can say anything you don't like is evil. The Bible doesn't vilify the bird, in fact you should check out Ezekiel 10:14 and Revelation 4:7. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 11, 2022 19:15:11 GMT -6
True, Democracy is technically Grecian. But what we have, the Senate, it's styled after Rome. We carry the eagle. We are a child of Rome. You're not making any sense. Again Rome at the height of it's power wasn't a republic, nor was it one during the time of the New Testament. The eagle was also the symbol of several monarchies located in places that were never in the Roman Empire (Poland, Russia). The Book of Kells has something to say about eagle symbolism. I suppose if you ignore history or even facts you can say anything you don't like is evil. The Bible doesn't vilify the bird, in fact you should check out Ezekiel 10:14 and Revelation 4:7. Ok. Let's try and simplify to try and get on the same page. Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. What is this verse talking about? |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 12, 2022 8:18:06 GMT -6
You're not making any sense. Again Rome at the height of it's power wasn't a republic, nor was it one during the time of the New Testament. The eagle was also the symbol of several monarchies located in places that were never in the Roman Empire (Poland, Russia). The Book of Kells has something to say about eagle symbolism. I suppose if you ignore history or even facts you can say anything you don't like is evil. The Bible doesn't vilify the bird, in fact you should check out Ezekiel 10:14 and Revelation 4:7. Ok. Let's try and simplify to try and get on the same page. Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. What is this verse talking about? Now you're trying to shift the goalpost back to your earlier argument, which is irrelevant to current events*. Plus, you've already undermined your own credibility trying to rewrite bible verses, history, and facts. I have to be honest, you're sounding like a rambling loon. I think you need to take some time and consider that you might be wrong, and test your theories against facts and the Word. *Just because one verse might have a double fulfillment, doesn't mean what you think might happen in the future is a fulfillment of another verse in a way that isn't actually written in the verse and currently isn't happening in reality. |
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Post by mike on Mar 16, 2022 15:26:58 GMT -6
60 second clip. Who do we believe?
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Post by socalexile on Mar 16, 2022 15:58:48 GMT -6
60 second clip. Who do we believe? He's using Christ as a means to an end - that of justifying the invasion of another country and the slaughter of innocents. Plus, he misrepresented what the lady actually testified to, which wasn't that there were bio-weapons labs in Ukraine - that's a lie. What Ukraine has are biolabs used for monitoring outbreaks of potential pathogens such as Anthrax and ebola. Biolabs of higher security levels than in Ukraine are literally in every state for the same reasons. Georgia has six. Russia and Belarus have them, so is Ukraine justified invading? It's madness what these people are trying to claim in order to poison the minds of Christians. So much for keeping this thread prophecy centered... |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 16, 2022 16:37:20 GMT -6
This what that pastor and people in this thread are trying to justify: Before the bombing: The Mariupol Theater, used as a bomb shelter, even had the words "children" on both sides, visible from aircraft. Russian bombed it anyway, killing from 500-1200 people, mostly women, children and elderly.  |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 16, 2022 16:44:36 GMT -6
"but muh biolabs" or "but nazis" isn't a Godly reason for this:
ETA: Don't like looking at that? GOOD. STOP ENABLING IT with this lying narrative. I don't care if it's some pastor or a member of this board tries to claim it! It's SICK that somehow this hatred of US political leadership, by those who claim Christ, makes them accept this kind of evil as a good thing. May God's judgement fall squarely upon those who think such things.
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Post by mike on Mar 17, 2022 6:13:34 GMT -6
60 second clip. Who do we believe? He's using Christ as a means to an end - that of justifying the invasion of another country and the slaughter of innocents. Plus, he misrepresented what the lady actually testified to, which wasn't that there were bio-weapons labs in Ukraine - that's a lie. What Ukraine has are biolabs used for monitoring outbreaks of potential pathogens such as Anthrax and ebola. Biolabs of higher security levels than in Ukraine are literally in every state for the same reasons. Georgia has six. Russia and Belarus have them, so is Ukraine justified invading? It's madness what these people are trying to claim in order to poison the minds of Christians. So much for keeping this thread prophecy centered... SoCal - I saw the clip and thought "Biden lies as a manner of his regular speech" or is his under-secretary deliberately mis-informing, perhaps both. Now the clip itself omits what you are saying but do you know that his motive was really what you claim? He also said the US funds these labs in the Ukraine. Why are we paying for that? AND why wouldnt we be somewhat suspicious of a lab we fund then are told by our fearless leader that there arent any labs like that? Wuhan ring a bell. Does the US taxdollar fund the ones in Georgia or Russia? I dont know, maybe we do. I also do not think that murder of civilians is something anyone should be endorsing. The video does call Putin a monster and rightfully so but his reasons for the invasion may be due to the labs. Justified - no. a cause/effect - possible Youre right this is not a prophecy clip. I think very little content in this thread are actual prophecy related. |
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Post by mike on Mar 17, 2022 6:55:51 GMT -6
"but muh biolabs" or "but nazis" isn't a Godly reason for this: ETA: Don't like looking at that? GOOD. STOP ENABLING IT with this lying narrative. I don't care if it's some pastor or a member of this board tries to claim it! It's SICK that somehow this hatred of US political leadership, by those who claim Christ, makes them accept this kind of evil as a good thing. May God's judgement fall squarely upon those who think such things. I want to know what is truthful and what is not, period. We are force-fed narratives all day long every single day of the week. Investigating things and asking questions isnt supporting a lying narrative. Are there nazis in Ukraine? Yes there is a group there (Azov movement/battalion) who support white supremacy. Can the media blow that out of proportion to confuse Christians and atheists alike - yes! Killing people is wrong. Period. Talking about why things may be happening is what a discussion forum is for. Do I have all the answers? Do you? If you have issues with discussing these things please continue to chime in but hold your accusations and pronouncement of the Lords judgement on those who are asking questions and discussing the possibilities as to what is really happening. Lets help each other come to a better understanding of these things rather than call fire from heaven on others |
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Post by mike on Mar 17, 2022 7:11:58 GMT -6
I think Dalton does a good job explaining this situation - at least he has me fooled into thinking he has a handle on this
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Post by stormyknight on Mar 17, 2022 8:05:03 GMT -6
mike , said: "Personally what I keep remind myself of is that this battle is not flesh and blood," "The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me," Dan 10:13
"But now I will return to fight against the prince of Persia; and when I go out, behold, the prince of Greece will come." Dan 10:20These are but two of the "princes" named in scripture that hold power of an area of the Earth. Principality: 1. a state ruled by a prince, usually a relatively small state or a state that falls within a larger state such as an empire. 2. the position or authority of a prince or chief ruler; sovereignty; supreme power. 3. the rule of a prince of a small or subordinate state. These are those referred to in Ephesians 6:12 and surely there are more all over the Earth, whether they engage in this "war" or not, we do not know. "because our wrestling is not with flesh and blood, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual [forces] of evil in the heavenly places;"I know, brothers and sisters, that you all know this, but at this time it is good to keep it foremost in our minds. We need not fear these forces, but it is good to know where they are and what they are doing. mike , also said: "Most have little insight to what we are able to see as the Lord has allowed us to see." "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." John 13:16We all have been graced with different gifts, but in the end we all have the same Spirit of truth helping us. We need only to ask and He will speak as we are in need.
We live in exciting times!! The "moment"(1 Cor. 15:52) is almost upon us! All praise to God!!!!!
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Post by mike on Mar 17, 2022 8:38:31 GMT -6
And again Dalton nails it here in terms of the media. This is a good approach to the situation in my opinion. both were worth the listen for me
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Post by socalexile on Mar 17, 2022 12:17:29 GMT -6
He's using Christ as a means to an end - that of justifying the invasion of another country and the slaughter of innocents. Plus, he misrepresented what the lady actually testified to, which wasn't that there were bio-weapons labs in Ukraine - that's a lie. What Ukraine has are biolabs used for monitoring outbreaks of potential pathogens such as Anthrax and ebola. Biolabs of higher security levels than in Ukraine are literally in every state for the same reasons. Georgia has six. Russia and Belarus have them, so is Ukraine justified invading? It's madness what these people are trying to claim in order to poison the minds of Christians. So much for keeping this thread prophecy centered... SoCal - I saw the clip and thought "Biden lies as a manner of his regular speech" or is his under-secretary deliberately mis-informing, perhaps both. Now the clip itself omits what you are saying but do you know that his motive was really what you claim? He also said the US funds these labs in the Ukraine. Why are we paying for that? AND why wouldnt we be somewhat suspicious of a lab we fund then are told by our fearless leader that there arent any labs like that? Wuhan ring a bell. Does the US taxdollar fund the ones in Georgia or Russia? I dont know, maybe we do. I also do not think that murder of civilians is something anyone should be endorsing. The video does call Putin a monster and rightfully so but his reasons for the invasion may be due to the labs. Justified - no. a cause/effect - possible Youre right this is not a prophecy clip. I think very little content in this thread are actual prophecy related. It's already been linked to in this thread. The US assists other countries in their bio monitoring efforts as well as running bio monitoring within the US. There's this false dichotomy of biolab = bio weapons research that is false. I guarantee that you have several BSL-2 biolabs within an hour drive of any suburb - and they're not weapons labs and neither are the BSL-3 labs, a security level of which Ukraine was attempting or has gotten the lab in Odessa to. A weapons research lab - which does not automatically mean development of offensive weapons - is going to be BSL-4, which Ukraine does not have but Russia, Belarus, and most states in the US do. Heck, the University of Georgia has a BSL-4 lab. ETA: I say offensive bioweapons research because often if a new pathogen or potential pathogen is believed to be worked on for offensive use by other countries, or have potential for weapons use, our own bio-weapons research might be used to reproduce that research so that a defensive measure can them be developed. That is not sinister or wrong. Any accusation of offensive bio-weapons research needs to be back with actual evidence, not slander. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 17, 2022 12:23:44 GMT -6
I think Dalton does a good job explaining this situation - at least he has me fooled into thinking he has a handle on this I happened to fast-forward at the right point where he's correct about Azov - they are effective and holding Mariupol, and Ukraine can't be choosy. I didn't' watch it all but suffice to say that it's questionable how deep Nazi ideology goes in that group, some who have knowledge on the ground say that it started as an ideological group, when all the controversial photos were taken, but has since moderated and the new recruits are there because they are good fighters, not for the ideology. The big deception though is that Russia, and Putin himself, have ties to Neo-Nazi groups: Putin: Russia: |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 17, 2022 12:30:34 GMT -6
And again Dalton nails it here in terms of the media. This is a good approach to the situation in my opinion. both were worth the listen for me I read the transcript due to time...he likes to ramble. I'm going need a tl;dr on his videos. I've said my piece on the labs issue. People are being fooled into this "biden bad therefore Putin good" false dichotomy. Biden is a corrupt grifter, but he's a piker compared to Putin. ETA: Tucker Carlson has proven himself to be untrustworthy, as a lot of people on the political right have shown themselves. |
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