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Post by uscgvet on May 18, 2021 12:23:42 GMT -6
Nahum is the same Rev 6 - 1st Seal event.
Nahum 1:7 The Lord is good, a refuge in times of trouble. He cares for those who trust in him, Nahum 3:18 The King of Assyria. Nahum 3:1 Assyrian King came to plunder.
---------------------- Habakkuk is the same Rev 6 - 1st Seal event. God is raising the Chaldeans/Babylonians to invade, take spoil and plunder.
There is also a pre-1st seal rescue in Habakkuk 1. Habakkuk 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O Lord, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
I have a theory that Job 5 is referring to this. We shall be changed and still here, but nothing will harm us like the 3 friends of Daniel in the 7 times hotter fire. I can't prove this, but my gut is telling me what we will experience will be epic. ---------------------- Zephaniah is the same Rev 6 - 1st Seal event. Zephaniah 2:1-3 pre-1st Seal Rev 6 Rapture. Zephaniah 2:13 the Assyrian, and Nineveh spoiled by the remnant. ---------------------- Haggai is pre 3rd seal Haggai 1:6 and Haggai 1:10-11 = 3rd Seal of Rev 6 (famine) Haggai 1:4 and Haggai 1:8 = build the 3rd Temple ---------------------- Zechariah 2 is the same Rev 6 - 1st Seal event Zechariah 2:6-8 pre-1st Seal Rev 6 Rapture
---------------------- Pre- 1st Seal Rapture: Jeremiah 6:1 Habakkuk 1:12 Nahum 1:7 Zephaniah 2:1-3 <-- Obvious pre - 1st seal Rapture event Micah 5:1-7 Micah 7:2 <<--- 2nd Seal, Rev 6, "The faithful have been swept from the land; not one upright person remains." Zechariah 2:6-8
More to come. It's all about the end times!
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Post by rondonmonson on May 20, 2021 14:11:25 GMT -6
boraddict All depends on the view of Rev and other prophecies held. When I strip away preconceived timing, without regard for a timing of the resurrection we see... For example the first seal broken reveals the rider on the white horse, who I believe is the anti-christ. If that white horse rider is the AC: - If his revealing means that there is a realization of who he really is, then this would occur 3.5 years into the trib as his identity would be become known due to his claiming to be God
- Many believe the AC is alive and not fully embodied/possessed at this time - as an example if today were 1 day shy of the AoD, we would be in the tribulation for 3.5 years already less one day
Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Ding......Your timing is spot on here. Everything revolves around the 1260, its the most important number in all of Eschatology. I however think the 1290 AoD happens 30 days before the 1260. I know, I know, it seems intuitively impossible, the Anti-Christ has to be the one doing this, but he doesn't go forth Conquering until the 1260. I think the 1290 is done by a Jewish High priest, and thus the Jews the would have 30 days to flee before the actually get conquered at the 1260. As most on here know, I don't see the Seals as doing anything, again that goes against everything we were taught, but when I do what you did, strip away my preconceived timing understandings, I actually see them as Prophetic uttering by Jesus. God Bless all, been not to healthy lately, but feeling much better now.
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Post by boraddict on May 21, 2021 20:07:45 GMT -6
boraddict All depends on the view of Rev and other prophecies held. When I strip away preconceived timing, without regard for a timing of the resurrection we see... For example the first seal broken reveals the rider on the white horse, who I believe is the anti-christ. If that white horse rider is the AC: - If his revealing means that there is a realization of who he really is, then this would occur 3.5 years into the trib as his identity would be become known due to his claiming to be God
- Many believe the AC is alive and not fully embodied/possessed at this time - as an example if today were 1 day shy of the AoD, we would be in the tribulation for 3.5 years already less one day
Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. Ding......Your timing is spot on here. Everything revolves around the 1260, its the most important number in all of Eschatology. I however think the 1290 AoD happens 30 days before the 1260. I know, I know, it seems intuitively impossible, the Anti-Christ has to be the one doing this, but he doesn't go forth Conquering until the 1260. I think the 1290 is done by a Jewish High priest, and thus the Jews the would have 30 days to flee before the actually get conquered at the 1260. As most on here know, I don't see the Seals as doing anything, again that goes against everything we were taught, but when I do what you did, strip away my preconceived timing understandings, I actually see them as Prophetic uttering by Jesus. God Bless all, been not to healthy lately, but feeling much better now. rondonmonson , are you linking the "going forth to conquer" of Rev. 6:2 to the 1260 of Rev. 11:3?
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Post by boraddict on May 26, 2021 19:49:50 GMT -6
Today I was talking to a friend about The Book of Revelation. Then I linked the discussion to other scripture and then back to King David. It was then that I considered the possibility that the beast wounded in Rev. 13:3 is Jewish. Because, as kings go, the Jews are looking for someone to fulfill the messianic role. Secondly, as Davidic Kings go, they are generally wounded to death and then survive; the righteous ones that is and an example of this is Hezekiah.
It is not the Davidic Covenant that is the main point but a much larger picture of kings that can suffer for their people. Thus, the Jewish people to a large part will accept (IMO) a messiah type that is wounded and then survives (by lies). Because, the second beast at Rev. 13:11 will idolize and propagate the false messiah to bring the nation state of Israel to a peaceful resolution with her neighbors. This peace and security is all about Israel's security with her neighbors and it begins with a false messiah being wounded and then surviving. This being a false representation to the legitimate the Davidic Covenant.
The Davidic Covenant is explained as follows: a king can pay for the safety of his people via pain and suffering to death and it basically represents that Jesus is a Davidic King because he paid in pain and suffering to the death for the eternal salvation of his people. So likewise, according to the concept, Jewish kings can sacrifice in pain and suffering for their people.
Such was the case for Abraham that he suffered knowing that he would take the life of his son as a payment for the gathering of his children Israel; after they were scattered. Thus, Abraham paid in pain and suffering knowing that his son was going to be sacrificed. Although, during Abraham's time, the name of "Davidic Covenant" was not given to the concept. Until that is, until King David came upon the throne.
Nevertheless, the idea was that kingly followers of Jesus could emulate to intercede for their people during times of great distress. So, the man having been wounded to death at Verse 13:3 is noteworthy in that it may be a false Jewish messiah playing the role of a Davidic King. At least that might be the spin; however, in order for that to be successful then the once dead false messiah must be advertised as being alive. And, that is where the Verse 13:11 beast comes in.
Just a thought.
Post Script: If the Rev. 13:3 beast is a Jewish Davidic King / messiah, albeit a false one. Then the Rev. 13:1 beast is that false Jewish messiah. How could that work? That the safety of the region hinges upon a false messiah whom is then killed and then advertised by the second beast as being alive; to satisfy the terms of the Davidic Covenant. It would be advertised that the messiah has paid with is life and now lives to reign in peace. Don't know; there are a lot of moving parts.
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Post by rondonmonson on May 27, 2021 8:10:53 GMT -6
Ding......Your timing is spot on here. Everything revolves around the 1260, its the most important number in all of Eschatology. I however think the 1290 AoD happens 30 days before the 1260. I know, I know, it seems intuitively impossible, the Anti-Christ has to be the one doing this, but he doesn't go forth Conquering until the 1260. I think the 1290 is done by a Jewish High priest, and thus the Jews the would have 30 days to flee before the actually get conquered at the 1260. As most on here know, I don't see the Seals as doing anything, again that goes against everything we were taught, but when I do what you did, strip away my preconceived timing understandings, I actually see them as Prophetic uttering by Jesus. God Bless all, been not to healthy lately, but feeling much better now. rondonmonson , are you linking the "going forth to conquer" of Rev. 6:2 to the 1260 of Rev. 11:3? Yes boraddict, the 1260 is the Day of the Lord. In Daniel 12:6 Gabriel asks Jesus a question for the benefit of Daniel, he says HOW LONG UNTIL THESE WONDERS END? And Jesus answers in verse 7 by swearing that from the time the holy peoples (Jews) are conquered until all these WONDERS END there will be a Time, Times and half Time or 1260 days until ALL THESE WONDERS END. So, the Anti-Christ sends forth the Anti-Christ on the 1260 event. What is the 1260 event and why does he get sent forth on that day? Its the Wrath of God, the Mountain (Asteroid) that is cast into the sea. So, why does he go forth on this day? Because he hears DARK SENTENCES (Dan. 8:23) which simply means Satan whispers to him and Satan is far greater strategist than any human that ever lived (Jesus was God). Satan realizes that in order to Conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region (which is what Dan. 11:40-43 describes) it will be far easier to wait until 1/3 of the world is destroyed/affected/in chaos via this Asteroid strike. Why try to conquer that which is about to be wiped out by God's Wrath? (He hears Dark Sentences = Satan directs his paths). This is why he GOES FORTH on the exact day that God's Wrath falls on mankind. The Asteroid heading our way is called Apophis, NASA named it after the Egyptian god of chaos. So, Rev. 8:1-13 is the starting of Gods Wrath AND its the day the Anti-Christ goes fort conquering Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region also. Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16 = the whole 42 months of God's Wrath. Rev. 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and most of 19 happen during this same 42 months. Rev. 14 and 19 actually last the full 7 years because of what the chapters are about. Both show the pre trib Rapture. Rev. 11 starts before the 1260 event because the Two-witnesses have to show up before the Beast to turn Israel back unto God. (Malachi 4:5-6 and Zechariah 13:8-9 proves this). So, NOTICE Sister the key is always the 1260. How long does the Dragon chase the woman in Rev. 12? For 1260 days. How long does the Beast rule in Rev. 13? 42-months which is 1260 days. Everything in the book of Revelation can be placed in its proper order via the COMPASS God has given us in the 1260 days of His Wrath also known as the Day of the Lord. We know the Beast rules for 1260 days thus we know the ONE HOUR the kings rule with the Beast in Rev. 17:12 = 42 months, and thus the ONE HOUR Babylon receives Gods Judgements in Rev. 18:8-10 also = 42 months. We also know the Beast will conquer for 42 months since he rules for 42 months. So, Rev. 12 and Rev. 13 have to cover the exact same time frame as the seals in Rev. 6, he can't GO FORTH CONQUERING then start all over in Rev. 13, its the same event, except Rev. 6 is Jesus prophesying what is coming soon. All the Seals have to be opened before the Judgments can be read from the scroll. Rev. 8 starts the Judgments, and that is when the Anti-Christ goes forth, but it happens in Rev. 13, not in Rev. 6, it actually happens at the same time as Rev. 8, but its described in Rev. 13. Many of the Revelation chapters overlap this 42 month period of time. Rev. 11 is the Two-Witnesses 42 month ministry, they show up 75 days before the 1260 and thus they die 75 days before the Beast dies. Its all interwoven around the 1260 timeline.
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Post by boraddict on Jun 1, 2021 8:34:27 GMT -6
I was wondering about the seven churches listed in The Book of Revelation (Rev. 1:11) and how many are referenced in the remainder of the NT.
1) Ephesus (Rev. 2:1-7) 2) Smyrna (Rev. 2:8-11) 3) Pergamos (Rev. 2:12-17) 4) Thyatira (Rev. 2:18-29) 5) Sardis (Rev. 3:1-6) 6) Philadelphia (Rev. 3:7-13) 7) Laodicea (Rev. 3:14-22)
1) Romans- no 2) Corinthians- no 3) Galatians- no 4) Ephesians- yes 5) Philippians- no 6) Colossians- no 7) Thessalonians- no
Have not done extensive research on this.
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Post by Natalie on Jun 1, 2021 9:50:06 GMT -6
Ephesians was written to the church of Ephesus.
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Post by boraddict on Jun 4, 2021 18:09:24 GMT -6
I was thinking today about Chapters 8-11 being in the 7th seal that was opened at Rev. 8:1; because, nothing really states that the 7th seal is over when the trumpets begin. This would mean that all the trumpets are in the 7th seal. Like: I. The Rise of the Beast
1st seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast rises to conquer 2nd seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast causes warfare 3rd seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast causes famine 4th seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast is followed by a second beast 5th seal is in Chapter 6 and the saints are in anguish II. The Call to the Saints6th seal is in Chapters 6-7 and the saints are called out III. The 7 Trumpets
7th seal is in Chapters 8-11 and this is the story of the 7 trumpets that is as follows: a. Destruction upon the Earth trumpets 1-4 are about some major event befalling the earth (Chapter 8) b. Destruction upon man trumpet 5 is the 1st woe upon man (Chapter 9) trumpet 6 is the 2nd woe upon man (Chapter 9) Saints are in communion with God (Chapter 10)......................................................................................................MIDPOINT............................................................................................... c) The final 3.5 years i) The Temple is built and 3.5 years remain (Chapter 11) ii) The two witnesses (Chapter 11) trumpet 7 is the 3rd woe upon man (Chapter 11) The above shows the following timeline: Chapters 6-10 are in the first 3.5 years Chapter 11 is in the second 3.5 years rondonmonson, is the above conclusions similar to yours.
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Post by rondonmonson on Jun 6, 2021 14:06:03 GMT -6
I was thinking today about Chapters 8-11 being in the 7th seal that was opened at Rev. 8:1; because, nothing really states that the 7th seal is over when the trumpets begin. This would mean that all the trumpets are in the 7th seal. Like: I. The Rise of the Beast
1st seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast rises to conquer 2nd seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast causes warfare 3rd seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast causes famine 4th seal is in Chapter 6 and the beast is followed by a second beast 5th seal is in Chapter 6 and the saints are in anguish II. The Call to the Saints6th seal is in Chapters 6-7 and the saints are called out III. The 7 Trumpets
7th seal is in Chapters 8-11 and this is the story of the 7 trumpets that is as follows: a. Destruction upon the Earth trumpets 1-4 are about some major event befalling the earth (Chapter 8) b. Destruction upon man trumpet 5 is the 1st woe upon man (Chapter 9) trumpet 6 is the 2nd woe upon man (Chapter 9) Saints are in communion with God (Chapter 10)......................................................................................................MIDPOINT............................................................................................... c) The final 3.5 years i) The Temple is built and 3.5 years remain (Chapter 11) ii) The two witnesses (Chapter 11) trumpet 7 is the 3rd woe upon man (Chapter 11) The above shows the following timeline: Chapters 6-10 are in the first 3.5 years Chapter 11 is in the second 3.5 years rondonmonson , is the above conclusions similar to yours. THINK 1260 or middle of the week. Everything on the other side of the 1260 has the Anti-Christ ruling as the Beast, everything before the 1260 event has the Anti-Christ as simply being the King/President of the European Union. Think of Hitler over Germany, THEN after the Blitzkrieg he would have been like a unto a Beast over most of Europe, even though he was never a Beast because there was no Israel at the time to Conquer. So, we can take each chapter. one by one, and I can place the 1260 in that chapter for you. Rev. 1 is of course Jesus as seen in all his Glory Rev. 2 and 3 ae the Churches in the Church Age, so they cant be a part of the 70th week at all. Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven before the Seals are opened, so this can't be after the Anti-Christ comes to power. So this is before the 1260 but during the 70th week. Rev. 6 is the Seals being opened by Jesus so naturally it happens just before the 1260 events. Rev. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea (144,000 really means 3-5 million Jews, just like the Woman means Israel), this happens at the 1290, 30 days before the 1260 event. Rev. 8 is the very moment the 1260 starts, God's Wrath falls on mankind and Satan whispers to the Anti-Christ GO FORTH Conquering amidst this chaos. The Asteroid strikes in Rev. 8, all four trumps are the same Asteroid impact. The Fire comes in, the asteroid hits, the Nuclear fallout and the Smoke blots out the sun & moon by 1/3. Rev. 9 happens just after the 1260 kicks off and the First Woe lasts for at least 5 months, the 2nd Woe is described, but no length of time is given per se. Rev. 16 happens next, although Rev. 15 is the Angels in heaven readying the Vials (3rd Woe or 7th Trump). However long this lasts, it ends with Jesus returning in Rev. 16:19 to defeat the Nations of the whole world (Babylon) and to cast Satan and his demons into the bottomless pit for 1000 years. Rev. chapters 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start on the 1260 and lasts for 1260 days, save for Rev. 17, because the Harlot religions are killed off by the Anti-Christ and his European kings/presidents/leaders. So each one of these above starts at the exact same time as Rev. 8, via the Asteroid striking earth (God's Wrath). Rev. 18 is just the Wrath of God fallng on Babylon (Whole world) over a 42 month period of time, so naturally that chapter starts with the 1260 Wrath of God.. Rev. 11 starts 75 days before the 1260. Rev. 10 is mostly a mystery as per its starting point, it seems to be a flash forward to the very end when all 7 trumps have sounded.(7 Thunders = 7 Trumps) Rev. 14 and 19 both cover the full 7 years of the 70th week. Thus the 1260 is not really that relevant here. The Harvest Chapter (Rev. 14) has the Rapture in a FLASHBACK as seen in verse 14 to the pre trib rapture and the Harvest at the end via the Wheat (Israel) and Wicked Tares (World) who both grow together until the vey end. Rev. 19 has the Bride in Heaven before she (we) marry the Lamb and the bride in heaven as we return to earth with Jesus to defeat the Beast and all his minions. (So, that = 7 years also) I can't post pics here it seems. But a Seven Sealed Scroll can not opened until all 7 seals are off. Think of a closet door with 7 locks on it. You can't look inside when 6 locks are off, you have to wait on lock number 7 to take a peek inside. Likewise, no one can open the scroll of judgments until the 7th seal is off, thus Jesus is only telling us what is soon to come until the 7th seal is finally taken off. If you wanted to show someone things you had in a closet with 7 locks on it, you might describe these things with each lock that you took off to your friend or friends, but when you finally took the 7th lock off there would be no use in saying anything else to your friends, opening the door would now suffice !! This is why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8, and its why Jesus says nothing(Silence in heaven for 30 minutes) after he opens the 7th seal, Judgment is now here, there is nothing left to be said. So, yes indeed, when the 7th Seal is opened, then and only then do the Judgments fall. The 7 Trumps have all the Judgments of God within them. The First Four Trumps are the asteroid strike, then the last three Trumps are the Three Woes, and the 3rd Woe contains all 7 Vials.
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Post by yardstick on Jun 6, 2021 19:47:32 GMT -6
THINK 1260 or middle of the week. Everything on the other side of the 1260 has the Anti-Christ ruling as the Beast, everything before the 1260 event has the Anti-Christ as simply being the King/President of the European Union. Think of Hitler over Germany, THEN after the Blitzkrieg he would have been like a unto a Beast over most of Europe, even though he was never a Beast because there was no Israel at the time to Conquer. So, we can take each chapter. one by one, and I can place the 1260 in that chapter for you. Rev. 1 is of course Jesus as seen in all his Glory Rev. 2 and 3 ae the Churches in the Church Age, so they cant be a part of the 70th week at all. Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven before the Seals are opened, so this can't be after the Anti-Christ comes to power. So this is before the 1260 but during the 70th week. Rev. 6 is the Seals being opened by Jesus so naturally it happens just before the 1260 events. Rev. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea (144,000 really means 3-5 million Jews, just like the Woman means Israel), this happens at the 1290, 30 days before the 1260 event. Rev. 8 is the very moment the 1260 starts, God's Wrath falls on mankind and Satan whispers to the Anti-Christ GO FORTH Conquering amidst this chaos. The Asteroid strikes in Rev. 8, all four trumps are the same Asteroid impact. The Fire comes in, the asteroid hits, the Nuclear fallout and the Smoke blots out the sun & moon by 1/3. Rev. 9 happens just after the 1260 kicks off nd the First Woe lasts for at least 5 months, the 2nd Woe is described, but no length of time is given. Rev. 16 happens next, although Rev. 15 is the Angels in heaven readying the Vials (3rd Woe or 7th Trump). However long this lasts, it ends with Jesus returning in Rev. 16:19 to defeat the Nations of the whole world (Babylon) and to cast Stan and his demons into the bottomless pit for 1000 yers. Rev. chapters 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start on the 1260 and last for 1260 days, save or Rev. 17, because the Harlot religions are killed off by the Anti-Christ and his European kings/presidents/leaders. So each one of these above starts at the exact same time as Rev. 8, via the Asteroid striking earth (God's Wrath). Rev. 18 is just the Wrath of God faking on Babylon (Whole world) over a 42 month period of time, so naturally that chapter starts with the 1260 Wrath of God.. Rev. 11 starts 75 da[y]s before the 1260. Rev. 10 is mostly a mystery as per its starting point, it seems to be a flash forward to the very end when all 7 trumps have sounded. Rev. 14 and 19 both cover the full 7 years of the 70th week. Thus the 1260 is not really that relevant here. The Harvest Chapter (Rev. 14) has the Rapture in a FLASHBACK as seen in verse 14 to the pre trib rapture and the Harvest at the end via the Wheat (Israel) and Wicked Tares (World). Rev. 19 has the Bride in Heaven before she (we) marry the Lamb and the bride in heaven as we return to earth with Jesus to defeat the Beast and all his minions. I can't post pics here it seems. But a Seven Sealed Scroll can not opened until all 7 seals are off. Think of a closet door with 7 locks on it. You can't look inside when 7 locks are off, you have to wait on lock number 7 to take a peek inside. Likewise, no one can open the scroll of judgments until the 7th seal is off, thus Jesus is only telling us what is soon to come, when the 7th seal is finally taken off. If you wanted to show someone things you had in a closet with 7 locks on it, you might describe these things with each lock that you took off to your friend or friends, but when you finally took the 7th lock off there would be no use in saying anything else to your friends, opening the door would now suffice !! This is why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8, and its why Jesus says nothing(Silence in heaven for 30 minutes) after he opens the 7th seal, Judgment is now here, there is nothing left to be said. So, yes indeed, when the 7th Seal is opened, then and only ten do the Judgments fall. The 7 Trumps have all the Judgments of God within them. The First Four Trumps are the asteroid strike, then the last three Trumps are the Three Woes, and the 3rd Woe contains all 7 Vials. Where do you get 75 days from? Part of the 1335?
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Post by rondonmonson on Jun 7, 2021 1:49:35 GMT -6
THINK 1260 or middle of the week. Everything on the other side of the 1260 has the Anti-Christ ruling as the Beast, everything before the 1260 event has the Anti-Christ as simply being the King/President of the European Union. Think of Hitler over Germany, THEN after the Blitzkrieg he would have been like a unto a Beast over most of Europe, even though he was never a Beast because there was no Israel at the time to Conquer. So, we can take each chapter. one by one, and I can place the 1260 in that chapter for you. Rev. 1 is of course Jesus as seen in all his Glory Rev. 2 and 3 ae the Churches in the Church Age, so they cant be a part of the 70th week at all. Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven before the Seals are opened, so this can't be after the Anti-Christ comes to power. So this is before the 1260 but during the 70th week. Rev. 6 is the Seals being opened by Jesus so naturally it happens just before the 1260 events. Rev. 7 is the Jews fleeing Judea (144,000 really means 3-5 million Jews, just like the Woman means Israel), this happens at the 1290, 30 days before the 1260 event. Rev. 8 is the very moment the 1260 starts, God's Wrath falls on mankind and Satan whispers to the Anti-Christ GO FORTH Conquering amidst this chaos. The Asteroid strikes in Rev. 8, all four trumps are the same Asteroid impact. The Fire comes in, the asteroid hits, the Nuclear fallout and the Smoke blots out the sun & moon by 1/3. Rev. 9 happens just after the 1260 kicks off nd the First Woe lasts for at least 5 months, the 2nd Woe is described, but no length of time is given. Rev. 16 happens next, although Rev. 15 is the Angels in heaven readying the Vials (3rd Woe or 7th Trump). However long this lasts, it ends with Jesus returning in Rev. 16:19 to defeat the Nations of the whole world (Babylon) and to cast Stan and his demons into the bottomless pit for 1000 yers. Rev. chapters 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start on the 1260 and last for 1260 days, save or Rev. 17, because the Harlot religions are killed off by the Anti-Christ and his European kings/presidents/leaders. So each one of these above starts at the exact same time as Rev. 8, via the Asteroid striking earth (God's Wrath). Rev. 18 is just the Wrath of God faking on Babylon (Whole world) over a 42 month period of time, so naturally that chapter starts with the 1260 Wrath of God.. Rev. 11 starts 75 da[y]s before the 1260. Rev. 10 is mostly a mystery as per its starting point, it seems to be a flash forward to the very end when all 7 trumps have sounded. Rev. 14 and 19 both cover the full 7 years of the 70th week. Thus the 1260 is not really that relevant here. The Harvest Chapter (Rev. 14) has the Rapture in a FLASHBACK as seen in verse 14 to the pre trib rapture and the Harvest at the end via the Wheat (Israel) and Wicked Tares (World). Rev. 19 has the Bride in Heaven before she (we) marry the Lamb and the bride in heaven as we return to earth with Jesus to defeat the Beast and all his minions. I can't post pics here it seems. But a Seven Sealed Scroll can not opened until all 7 seals are off. Think of a closet door with 7 locks on it. You can't look inside when 7 locks are off, you have to wait on lock number 7 to take a peek inside. Likewise, no one can open the scroll of judgments until the 7th seal is off, thus Jesus is only telling us what is soon to come, when the 7th seal is finally taken off. If you wanted to show someone things you had in a closet with 7 locks on it, you might describe these things with each lock that you took off to your friend or friends, but when you finally took the 7th lock off there would be no use in saying anything else to your friends, opening the door would now suffice !! This is why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8, and its why Jesus says nothing(Silence in heaven for 30 minutes) after he opens the 7th seal, Judgment is now here, there is nothing left to be said. So, yes indeed, when the 7th Seal is opened, then and only ten do the Judgments fall. The 7 Trumps have all the Judgments of God within them. The First Four Trumps are the asteroid strike, then the last three Trumps are the Three Woes, and the 3rd Woe contains all 7 Vials. Where do you get 75 days from? Part of the 1335?Hello brother, good morning 1:30 AM here, got me a little nap. Yes, each number has the same symmetry in Dan. 12. Verse 7 is the Man in Linen (Jesus IMHO) telling Daniel that there will be 1260 days (time, times and half) until ALL THESE WONDERS END. (The Second Coming) But what wonders were being referenced I wondered, then it hit me, Dan. 11:36-45 AND Dan. 12:1-2 (there really were no chapter breaks, so I see that passage as one passage, then the Man in Linen tells Daniel by answering Gabriel when all these wonders (verses I cited) will end, and we now know it is ended by the Second Coming, Daniel didn't know, so he inquired further, BECAUSE he did not understand. Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?So, Daniel asks the exact same question that Gabriel asked the Man in Linen in verse 6, SEE BELOW: Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?When I finally understood this about 3 or 4 years ago, I understood that not only was the 1260 event (conquering of Jerusalem by the Anti-Christ), 1260 days before the Second Coming ended all these wonders (Dan. 11:36-45) but it also meant that the 1290 and 1335 were both those exact number of days until ALL THESE WONDERS ENDS also !! The question was the same, and the Wonders (Dan. 11:36-45 and Dan 12:1-2/Anti-Christ/End times) were the same, so both of the numbers had to have the exact same symmetry also. So, I know why I always thought the 1290 AoD had to be the Anti-Christs doings, it just seemed logical, so I always just brushed it off at said, well, its a little contradictory but that's OK. About 5 years ago when God demanded I start solving contradictions, and basically made me stay with a contradictory subject until I solved the "supposed contradictions" is when I started seeing things in a different light. I stopped accepting old truths as truths just because I had always heard it as such, and I started making everything fit before I moved on. Something didn't fit with the 1290 being the Anti-Christ, it just didn't fit. So I thought to myself, this had to happen (at that time) 30 days before the 1260 or 30 days after the 1260, I intuitively knew this, there are those who say it happens into the millennium I never even understood this thought process tbh. So, which one fit better, and if the 1290 came 30 days before the 1260 that would mean it couldn't be the Anti-Christ taking away the Sacrifice nor placing the AoD. And, at that time, that seemed unthinkable to me, BUT....I had promised the Lord I would solve all contradictions before just moving on, so onward I trudged. Could the 1290 be 30 days before the 1260 and thus have nothing to do with the Anti-Christ I thought, let me try the Spirits, let me test it via the Holy bible (what a concept right? LOL) So I did just that and saw Dan 9:27 says that HE (the Anti-Christ) SHALL CAUSE the Sacrifice and Oblation to cease. So, in essence the passage doesn't come out and say he does it himself. Then in Rev. 13 I saw it was actually the 2nd Beast (False Prophet) that gets all the people to MAKE AN IMAGE of the Beast and place it in the temple, and demands that all men worship the Beast or die. (Hmmm, so I was now starting to get very interested in this deep study) I wondered, could the 1290 be the False Prophet. Hmmm, I had always thought it odd that God would give Israel a sign to Flee Judea as they were getting conquered (made no sense to me, but before, I just accepted things). If the 1290 happened 30 days before the the 1260 Conquering of Jerusalem, then the Jewish peoples would have 30 days to Flee Judea now. Wow, this was getting deep, it was all fitting, of course God would give Israel 30 days to flee Judea, He after all knows all, He wouldn't give them a warning after the Anti-Christ had taken over, that would be too late. So now (never ask a preacher a question when he just woke up and is refreshed, LOL ) I wondered, well, if the 1290 is 30 days before the 1260, and it looked like it was, what was the 1335 I had to ask, and I knew it would have to be 1335 days before the Second Coming now for sure, the Symmetry had to all be the same, no doubt, but what was it that was 1335 days before the Second Coming and a BLESSING. Well to be honest, this did not take me long because one of my favorite verses in ll of Prophecy is Malachi 4:5-6, God states there that He will send Elijah the Prophet back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord (1260) to turn Israel back unto God. So, Israel has to repent begore the DOTL (1260), thus now I knew why they would Flee Judea at the 1290, the Jews repented before the 1290, else why would they heed Jesus Christ and flee Judea unto the Mountains? We also know that Zechariah 13:8-9 says that 1/3 of the Jews (3-5 million) will repent and God will call them His children and they will call God God once again. Then when I looked at the very next verse I got chills. Zechariah 14:1 says BEHOLD the Day of the Lord has ARRIVED (LOL...Woooo) So, the Jews indeed repent FIRST, before the 1290 and before the 1260, because they understand they need to flee and thus they had to have heard that from Matt. 24:15-17 and from the Two-witnesses and Jewish peoples basically don't read the New Testament, unless they have been BLESSED and have waited until the two Witnesses showed up at the 1335, or 1335 days before all these Wonders Ended via the Second Coming. But again, I had to try this to see if it fit, it did in some ways, but I had to check all of this out versus the Two-witnesses TIMELINE !! And it did indeed fit the timeline. So, the Two-witnesses have a ministry ordained by God for 1260 days. The Beast has an ordained or authorized rule of 1260 days as the Beast. So, if the Anti-Christ becomes the Beast comes at the 1260, and he does, this mean the Two-witnesses ministry would have to start BEFORE the Beasts rule starts. Then it hit me, we can solve this very easy, its simple mathematics, the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, and the Beast doesn't die until the 7th Vial, so SIMPLE MATH tells us the Two-witnesses have to show up before the Beast shows up as THE BEAST in order for both to have ORDAIINED OFFICES for 1260 days on this earth. So, they are indeed the 1335 BLESSING. Besides, if I understand that then ............1.) In order to get the Jews to Flee Judea they have to repent first, and 2.) That means that the Two-witnesses would have to show up before the 1290 and thus also before the 1260, in order to turn Israel back unto God before the coming Day of the Lord so they would be prepared to Flee Judea at the 1290 unto SAFTEY BEFORE the 1260 conquering by the Anti-Christ. I know God knows all that because I am just a dust mite compared to God the Father, it is indeed His grand plan, the Jews have to repent BEFORE the coming DOTL, so says thhe Holy Bible, Amen. That's when I probably had the biggest JAW DROP of all of this, I now had to assume (and it is true) that the 1290 was the False Prophet, not the Anti-Christ, and that the Jews had already REPENTED before the 1290 AoD, so what Sacrifice was the False Prophet TAKING AWAY ? LOL, I thought to myself, why had I ALWAYS ASSUMED that God was talking about a MEAT SACRIFICE PROFANING the Temple when it was taken away? I saw that I had been blind, God wouldn't ever say that TAKING AWAY a Meat Sacrifice PROFANED the Temple of God, because any meat sacrifice is an ABOMONATION unto God, because Jesus has already paid the price. Now I understood why the taking away of the Sacrifice and the placing of the AoD were in one small grouping, in one verse. This False Prophet Jewish High Priest who is in cahoots with the Anti-Christ from afar, STOPS (get this) Jesus Worship because 3-5 million Jews REPENTED at the 1335, (which is 45 days before the 1290), so naturally they all started worshiping the Messiah in THEIR TEMPLE !! And this angered this Jewish High Priest False Prophet, and he thus forbids Jesus Worship in the Temple AND he then places the IMAGE of the Beast (E.U. President) in the Temple to spite the Jews whom have by now accepted their Messiah as Jesus Christ. As soon as they see this AoD they know to Flee Judea. Amen. This is very complicated, but its all truth. It all fits. God Bless, sorry I went so long, but it is what it is, lol. P.S. Thus the 1335 happens 75 days BEFORE the 1260.
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Post by boraddict on Jun 7, 2021 7:30:36 GMT -6
rondonmonson , I think your assessment that the people accept Jesus and then the Jewish leaders respond is correct. A friend shared that conclusion with me a few years ago that was out of my general purview of interest at the time; but I do remember, although you have shared much more detail. Do you have a timeline "set" with scripture references for your work rather than the paragraphs? Rondon said: The other day it seemed reasonable to me that the false prophet was from Judah and here you are making a similar assumption.
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Post by rondonmonson on Jun 7, 2021 9:20:40 GMT -6
rondonmonson , I think your assessment that the people accept Jesus and then the Jewish leaders respond is correct. A friend shared that conclusion with me a few years ago that was out of my general purview of interest at the time; but I do remember, although you have shared much more detail. Do you have a timeline "set" with scripture references for your work rather than the paragraphs? Rondon said: The other day it seemed reasonable to me that the false prophet was from Judah and here you are making a similar assumption. God blesses those who study's the book of Revelation sister. Keep plugging away, we KNOW TRUTHH when we hear it via the Holy Spirit our truth meter so to speak. In my deep dive of Daniel 11 and 12, where I name every king in Daniel 11, the chapter that makes so called expert historians say Daniel had to be written 400 years later than it actually was in order for Daniel to know all of those things, so I studied and looked in ever nook and cranny to understand who all the players were, even in the book of Maccabeans. And I found a High Priest named Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus in order to be named the High Priest, thereby having his pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. I ad always understood Antiochus to be a TYPE Anti-Christ, I mean he is told about from Dan. 11:21-33 maybe 34 and then right away we go straight into THE Anti-Christ in verses 36-45, so Antiochus was indeed the TYPE Anti-Christ. Thus this man named Jason intrigued me, I thought, if Antiochus was a TYPE Anti-Christ, shouldn't he have TYPE False Prophet by his side? (Light bulb on moment) So, I studied and studied and found that this man invited Antiochus into the Temple of God so he could make a Sacrifice unto his god Zeus via a vile pig offering. Jason also tried to Hellenize the Jews (he wanted the Jews to become like the Geeks) and he thus took the Greek name Jason ( the names Jason, Joshua and Jesus are all three Greek versions of the Hebrew name Yeshua). This action caused the Maccabean Revolt where one family started a movement that thwarted the Greek Culture movement, and we also know that Antiochus was killed on the Eastern front by some disease, thus like the coming Anti-Christ he was killed WITHOUT HANDS. Thus we have the TWO TYPES (IMHO) living at the same time (of course they would be living at the same time) and one was a Gentile King, the other was a Jewish High Priest. They both tried to CHANGE the Culture (Times and Laws) from Jewish traditions unto Greek traditions, and in the end times the same thing will happen, but this time it will not be the Greek ways per se, but the ways of the Global World Empire as in, accepting the Homosexual agenda, the Transsexual agenda, the customs of the world over the customs of God the Father and Jesus Christ. This is where the 2/3 of the Jews perish, they refuse to repent, but the 1/3 do repent as Zechariah 13:8-9 says. God Bless got a little work around the house to do today.
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Post by boraddict on Jun 14, 2021 22:46:06 GMT -6
So I checked the internet to see what others have said about the Chapter 7 list of tribes in the BofR. There are some with very good arguments and others with no so good arguments. But it seems that Joseph was not an official tribe designation after the adoption of his two sons by the old man Israel. Also, Levi was not included as having a partition of land. So, in Chapter 7 where both Joseph and Levi are included there remains the question as to why.
So, of the 14 tribes, 12 that were natural born and 2 adopted; Joseph was never counted as a tribe but his sons were as his double portion. Thus, there were 13 tribes total and then Levi was not given land ownership but was a priest tribe to the people. Because, Moses was a Levite and so his tribe served as priests. Thus, we are down to 12 tribes with Joseph and Levi not counted. This of course is offset by the inclusion of Ephraim and Manassas to make a total of 12 tribes in Israel; not counting Joseph and Levi.
However, in Chapter 7, both Joseph and Levi are included. Therefore, the double portion for Joseph is not part of the count; leaving out Ephraim and Manassas. That is, the count in Chapter 7 appears to reflect the original 12 tribes before the adoption of Joseph's two sons by old man Israel.
Added to this original 12 tribes is the replacement of Dan with Manassas. So it appears that the answer is that the tribes in Chapter 7 are the original 12 tribes that were natural born to old man Israel and then Dan is replaced with Manassas; the oldest of Joseph's two sons.
This means that the only real unanswered question is about Dan.
Please consider that in the secondary count were Joseph and Levi are replaced by Ephraim and Manassas, that Manassas as the oldest son replaces Joseph and Ephraim the younger son replaces Levi. Therefore, it is only natural that when Dan is replaced then of the two sons of Joseph it would be the first born; Manassas that replaces Dan.
Thus, we have the 12 natural born sons in Chapter 7 with Dan replaced by the rightfully oldest son Manassas. It means that Dan is removed from his place in the original count of the 12 tribes. From this it appears that Ephraim is not included because no other tribe was removed to make room for him. So what did Dan do that caused him to be replaced in the count at Chapter 7? Gen. 49:16-18
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Post by uscgvet on Jun 15, 2021 7:35:30 GMT -6
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