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Post by venge on Aug 21, 2020 6:25:10 GMT -6
Youre assuming that Israel is the fig tree with that comment. Using the 1948 birth as a reference to the tree Christ smote and that is an assumption. Christ said it would never grow ever again. If that was Israel, then the people will never change and that is contrary to what the Bible says. Yes, I am.
God's not done with Israel. But He was done with the fruit that the leaders had been producing.
If Israel is that tree, he said it will never grow again - ever! If he is not done with Israel, as I agree, why did he say "ever" and still not be done with them ? because a time will come when the Jew will bear fruit. I have a hard time seeing that tree as a Nation. It is not explicably stated. You also need to explain that if the fig tree and all the other trees was as you said, possibly other nations...did all the possible other nations also in 1948 become reborn as well? If not, then that verse does not support Israel coming back in 1948. You cant take part of it and not the whole thing and apply part to what you want and not the rest. Perhaps there is another verse that does link Israel to a fig tree. But the 2 listed, dont need to. EDIT: In this example, trees are not a nation or a city, but people...individuals. John specifies that repentance is needed to bring in fruit. What about Amos 4:9 If Israel is the fig tree...why is the olive also mentioned? Is this literal? So each man has his own fig tree? His own Israel? If Nathanael was under the fig tree, the tree being Israel, wouldnt he be wicked? Yet Christ said he was under it as he was in its shade where its leaves and fruit covered him. In that, Christ said "an Israelite, in whom there is no guile". Is this right? The point is, its what the tree does..it grows...its watered, it produces leaves and eventually fruit. It becomes pollenated and spreads to produce more trees with fruit. People take it in and spread it. Failure to spread will not cause growth and failure to drink will cause it to die, never bearing fruit. The idea is understanding what it takes to get from a tree to a fruit bearing tree and what the process is so that when you see it, you recognize it and you want to bear fruit yourself. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 21, 2020 6:56:49 GMT -6
If I were to apply Judges 9 (both the parable and the reading of the whole chapter) as end times prophecy, I would mirror the parable of the olive tree, the fig tree, the vine, and the bramble to the 4 ages of kingdoms in Daniel chapters 2-8 of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, and Rome.
The bramble being the last anti-christ rule for 3.5 years from the illegitimate son from the handmaid, his conspiracy, how he takes power over Israel, killing the 70 (possible allusion to the Sanhedrin? or just Israel in general) where 1 (remnant?) escapes, and then he gets a head wound like Abimelech did in the end of Judges 9.
My comment on the 70 being a possible allusion to the Sanhedrin is Judges 9 verse 2. "Whether is better for you, either that all the sons of Jerubbaal, which are threescore and ten persons, reign over you, or that one reign over you? "
The Sanhedrin are the ones that rule.
Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
The bramble doesn't produce fruit, it's only good for the fire.
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Post by venge on Aug 21, 2020 7:11:25 GMT -6
If I were to apply Judges 9 (both the parable and the reading of the whole chapter) as end times prophecy, I would mirror the parable of the olive tree, the fig tree, the vine, and the bramble to the 4 ages of kingdoms in Daniel chapters 2-8 of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, and Rome. The bramble being the last anti-christ rule for 3.5 years from the illegitimate son from the handmaid, how he takes power over Israel, killing the 70 (possible allusion to the Sanhedrin? or just Israel in general) where 1 (remnant?) escapes, and then he gets a head wound like Abimelech did in the end of Judges 9. Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. The bramble doesn't produce fruit, it's only good for the fire. Are you saying Babylon would be the Olive tree, Medo-Persian the fig tree...etc.. Obviously not in every context, but are you saying that is how you see it in regards to Judges 9? Not sure I see Babylon or Medo-Persian as fruit bearing people. In Judges 9, it is said In this context, the Olive is a possible ruler. Not a nation. The same would be applied to the Fig tree, as a possible ruler who bears fruit. Can you explain more how it relates to Nebuchadnezzar or what your thoughts are on this.. Its alittle confusing. EDIT: Just saw your edit. Ill post below. I like this. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 21, 2020 7:31:44 GMT -6
If I were to apply Judges 9 (both the parable and the reading of the whole chapter) as end times prophecy, I would mirror the parable of the olive tree, the fig tree, the vine, and the bramble to the 4 ages of kingdoms in Daniel chapters 2-8 of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, and Rome. The bramble being the last anti-christ rule for 3.5 years from the illegitimate son from the handmaid, how he takes power over Israel, killing the 70 (possible allusion to the Sanhedrin? or just Israel in general) where 1 (remnant?) escapes, and then he gets a head wound like Abimelech did in the end of Judges 9. Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. The bramble doesn't produce fruit, it's only good for the fire. Are you saying Babylon would be the Olive tree, Medo-Persian the fig tree...etc.. Obviously not in every context, but are you saying that is how you see it in regards to Judges 9? Not sure I see Babylon or Medo-Persian as fruit bearing people. In Judges 9, it is said In this context, the Olive is a possible ruler. Not a nation. The same would be applied to the Fig tree, as a possible ruler who bears fruit. Can you explain more how it relates to Nebuchadnezzar or what your thoughts are on this.. Its alittle confusing. Yes to your question about Babylon = olive tree etc... In Jeremiah 27&28, it's God who places Nebuchadnezzar as ruler of the entire planet, and his sons, and his son's sons until the time of his land come in. Daniel shows us the image of Nebuchadnezzar as 1 man of 4 metals. But at the end, the metal of iron mixes with clay. Abimelech is the son of a handmaid. Not legal bloodline. And history proves God and Jeremiah 27 & 28 was correct, Nebuchadnezzar and his sons, and his son's sons ruled ever since. Look at the back of your dollar bill. The image never loses its rulership until the stone not cut by man's hands destroys the image when Christ comes back; or "until the time of his land come in" as in Jeremiah 27... (ie the times of the Gentiles be fufilled in Luke 21:24.... The 3 loaves of bread in 1 Samuel 10:3-4) With the bramble, it's Israel that conspires against God's chosen rulership. They conspire with Abimelech to destroy the 70 leaders of Shechem. They make the covenant with many for 7 years or 7 days as we see Jabeshgilead do with Nahash the Ammonite in 1 Samuel 11. It's God who sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the people he ruled, the men of Shechem. Israel will turn against the anti-Christ after abomination of desolation. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 21, 2020 7:32:54 GMT -6
venge, I just saw your edit. I think we're on the same page now.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 21, 2020 7:59:11 GMT -6
In these verses directing to the fig tree there is also the vine. Aren't there more references to the vine, vineyards (parables thereof) grapes and wine than the fig?
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Post by mike on Aug 21, 2020 8:22:18 GMT -6
uscgvet Judges 9 ties back to 8 also. Gideon wouldnt accept becoming the king In ch. 9 the Israelites still wanted a king to rule them. We see Abimelech consulting and conspiring with Shechem (his 'brothers') to wipe out the possibility of Gideons lineage becoming King. venge you dont have to be sorry to disagree with me. Not seeing what I see doesnt make me wrong, nor does it make you wrong. Just means we see it a bit differently. this is why we discuss these things. Dialogue, learning from one another, not dogmatic. I just want you to be sure that I wasnt directing my comment to you specifically as being correct or incorrect but in context wanted to tag you in the prior post I made as the thread topic is 2020-2027, not about "trees". If I am incorrect please help me learn why. But since you do have a differing view on trees, is it that you see the various trees as people? or kings? both/neither?
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 21, 2020 8:52:41 GMT -6
uscgvet Judges 9 ties back to 8 also. Gideon wouldnt accept becoming the king In ch. 9 the Israelites still wanted a king to rule them. We see Abimelech consulting and conspiring with Shechem (his 'brothers') to wipe out the possibility of Gideons lineage becoming King. venge you dont have to be sorry to disagree with me. Not seeing what I see doesnt make me wrong, nor does it make you wrong. Just means we see it a bit differently. this is why we discuss these things. Dialogue, learning from one another, not dogmatic. I just want you to be sure that I wasnt directing my comment to you specifically as being correct or incorrect but in context wanted to tag you in the prior post I made as the thread topic is 2020-2027, not about "trees". If I am incorrect please help me learn why. But since you do have a differing view on trees, is it that you see the various trees as people? or kings? both/neither? WOW! WOW! Great find! This also ties well back to 1 Samuel 8! 7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day. |
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Post by venge on Aug 21, 2020 19:16:37 GMT -6
uscgvet Judges 9 ties back to 8 also. Gideon wouldnt accept becoming the king In ch. 9 the Israelites still wanted a king to rule them. We see Abimelech consulting and conspiring with Shechem (his 'brothers') to wipe out the possibility of Gideons lineage becoming King. venge you dont have to be sorry to disagree with me. Not seeing what I see doesnt make me wrong, nor does it make you wrong. Just means we see it a bit differently. this is why we discuss these things. Dialogue, learning from one another, not dogmatic. I just want you to be sure that I wasnt directing my comment to you specifically as being correct or incorrect but in context wanted to tag you in the prior post I made as the thread topic is 2020-2027, not about "trees". If I am incorrect please help me learn why. But since you do have a differing view on trees, is it that you see the various trees as people? or kings? both/neither? It really depends on the context of the verse. Trees are identified as men many times but not every time. Sometimes the verse isn’t about men per se, but the spiritual conditions of man. Sometimes the tree is used to describe how it functions and that relates to the greater message..the tree not being the main message, but it’s used as an example. With Israel, it has been identified as an Olive Tree. But that doesn’t mean every olive tree wording in the Bible means replacing it with Israel. I want us all to be careful in scripture, myself included! |
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Post by Joe on Aug 30, 2020 15:13:44 GMT -6
Did anyone read the lingo being used here in recent news?
"Kushner is trumpeting the recent agreement by Israel and the United Arab Emirates..."
Talking about waiting for the last Trump. WOW! We are getting close.
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Post by Joe on Aug 30, 2020 16:55:19 GMT -6
Adding to my post just above, I have to think that the "last Trump" may mean, final deal. Just for the simple fact that it says, when you hear them say peace and safety, then comes sudden destruction. There have been many peace deal/offerings but the final deal, is obviously, the one that will stick. I just find it interesting that Kushner is "trumpeting". Makes me wonder if the Holy Spirit has given us another sign. As the days are like Noah. Wrong has become right and right has become wrong. Murder in the streets like it's modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. I could keep going on but you all know this.
The funny thing is. Back in 2012 when it came and pass, I made the comment that it would be cool or interesting if the Lord came in 2020. All eyes would see. Like 20/20 vision. I had no idea that 2020 would be such a crazy year and could be the time for the Lord's snatching away and judgement for the world. We will see. I'm no prophet.
GOD bless and keep safe!
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Post by Joe on Aug 30, 2020 18:15:36 GMT -6
Could Kusher be held as a "messiah" by Israel if he finalizes this peace deal? Israel's government is not solid or confirmed at the moment. This would be exactly what the Jews have been waiting for. My mind is processing at lot of information at the moment. Many prayers for those who have not come to Jesus Christ yet. Both Jew and Gentile.
GOD bless!
Joe
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Post by disciple4life on Aug 30, 2020 18:56:33 GMT -6
Hello my fellow Otter brother. I think Kushner is a very strong candidate for AC. A few thoughts 1. The AC will not be the one who makes it, but rather improves or strengthens it. We also should remember that the covenant doesn't have to be 7 years at the beginning. I'll try to find the Link, Joe but there is a fantastic video by Amir Tsarfati- an Israeli Bible prophecy teacher and former Colonel in the IDF. beholdisrael.org/middle-east-update-44/ He made a very compelling case and it clarifies a lot. He is very clear that this new UAE deal is NOT the covenant of Daniel, but rather is amazing in that it is setting all the players up for the Ezekiel 38 war. The most solid scenario Biblically is that the Ezekiel 38 war happens just before or just after the Harpazo, and in this context of major multinational war, all Israels allies are gone and its the perfect chance to attack. Then in the postwar hysteria and fear, the AC promises peace. Disciple4life |
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Post by Joe on Aug 30, 2020 19:26:48 GMT -6
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Post by sog on Sept 1, 2020 8:50:46 GMT -6
Video from Barry Scarbrough regarding Trump giving a warning 3 years (3rd day?) ago October 2017 that this is the calm before the storm. Cryptically mentions the military which would seem to signify coming conflict. "What storm", the media asks. Trump - "You'll find out".
Also gives a couple shout outs to the unsealed website.
He also mentions magician David Blaine is going to have a live ascension tomorrow, 9/2/2020. You can't make this stuff up. Satan's predictive programming. This is psychological conditioning folks. The timing couldn't be more significant.
A couple of high watch months ahead. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Time is growing short. Prayers for you all.
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