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Post by disciple4life on Aug 18, 2020 18:53:30 GMT -6
True, but Adam lived to be 930, so 30 years isn't much to his timeline anyway. Hello Vet ! Yes, my friend, it is definitely true, that 30 years in relation to 930 years is a very small fraction of his life. ;-) I totally agree on that point. But the total length of Adam's life, and the relation of the 30 to the 930 total lifespan is a totally separate issue from the point here - being that you have two perfect people at the peak of life, in a fantastic garden paradise with no sin and no effects of aging, and no thorns - no poison ivy, no mosquitoes, no dangerous animals, no stinging bugs, - uhmm, and they're naked.  I think you can fill in the blanks. And we know that they did not have children before the fall. So the odds of them being in the garden for 5 years without having children is virtually impossible. LOL. Disciple4life. PS. I still think this is a very interesting concept, and we will have a much better idea in the next 3 weeks. A huge string of coincidences all piling up. Red heifer is turning 2 on Sept 06, We just saw Israel signing a covenant with many, and other nations are already said to be joining very very soon. Famine, and locust swarms, Bizarre weather patterns, Wars and rumors of wars, False prophets increasing and apostasy - Lovers of themselves, Plannedemic, forced mask mandate, RFID chip technology in place in the US and Sweden, Bill Gates and his evil cohorrts already calling for ID2020 technology to be combined with vaccine, - to track who has the virus. Contact tracting. Etc, etc, etc. We're going home very soon, brothers and sisters. |
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Post by Joe on Aug 18, 2020 20:44:12 GMT -6
All these calculations and there's one simple one. A generation is 70 to 80 (if strong) years. Israel became a nation in 1948. 1948 plus 80 years equals 2028. Jesus said he would return before the generation that sees the fig tree (Israel) blossom. Now just take 7 years minus 2028 and you get 2021. So yes, Jesus could come and rapture the church in 2020.
Here's some more info...
Rabbi Kaduri passed away in 2006 but his message wasn't to be opened until a year after his death. Which was January 2007. Ariel Sharon was prophesied to pass away before the Messiah would return. He passed January 2014. Started to see a 7 year time jump here and why Kaduri's message couldn't be opened until a year after his death? I can not help but wonder if January 2021 is a marker in time. It may not be the Jewish new year (Spring or Fall) but it is the Christian new year.
Only time will tell. GOD bless! Stay strong. And keep praying that many more come to Jesus Christ and that we are worthy enough to escape all these things to come.
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Post by disciple4life on Aug 19, 2020 16:25:05 GMT -6
Joe , Hello Joe, my fellow Otter brother. I'm not disagreeing, but rather just making an important distinction. A lot of people have bought into the fallacious notion that 2028 [80 years from Israel becoming a nation] is the maximum upper limit, absolute final deadline. I do believe, with you- 1000% that the passage that talks about the Fig Tree definitely is referring to Israel. No other people group is linked to the fig except Israel. When Israel became a nation, it literally fulfilled the prophecy of a group of people "becoming a nation in a day." But the passage in Matthew 24, the Olivette discourse- Jesus said that this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled. A generation of people never is limited to one specific year, but around the world, in most countries, it includes all those born in a decade window, -- The 50's, the Baby Boomers, the 60's, the 70's - hippie generation, 80's - the yuppies, the 90's - the generation X, 2000- 2010 - Millennials. etc. Even if we adopted the very narrow definition and said this prophecy only refers to those born in 1948, in 80 years years, that generation is not gone. It just means that the people born in 1948 turn 80. Think of it as if we counted a special generation of people only who were born when WWII started, or only those born when the Holocaust began. The majority of people who were born when WW II started have passed away, but there are still some - well into their 80's. There are still some living who were born when the Holocaust started. The same is true with the generation that was born when Israel became a nation, some died in their 40's, some died in their 50's, some died in their 70's, and there will be thousands of "This Fig Generation" who live into their upper 80's. With that clarification, - i firmly believe that my mother's generation is the terminal generation - and there are a huge and growing list of converging signs, and @natalie said it so well - the Covid Plannedemic has put end times into hyperdrive. Plus, the covenant with Many, the lawlessness, the false prophets, the apostasy - many Christians departing from the faith, lovers of themselves, bizarre weather patterns, huge increase of earthquakes in diverse places, rise of the RFID /microchip technology, and the mask mandates, setting the stage for forced vaccinations, contact tracing and the release of formerly classified UFO sightings by Military officers, etc, etc - Brother, we are on the cusp. I am firmly of the belief that we won't be here for Passover of 2021 - but if we are, - I will be on here to publicly say I was mistaken. Disciple4life
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Post by Gary on Aug 19, 2020 19:28:35 GMT -6
Joe , Hello Joe, my fellow Otter brother. I'm not disagreeing, but rather just making an important distinction. A lot of people have bought into the fallacious notion that 2028 [80 years from Israel becoming a nation] is the maximum upper limit, absolute final deadline. It could be, actually. Of course that's up to God, though. There might be a few saying it has to be the upper limit, but I think overall the argument is that it could be. Psalm 90 actually contains a lot of prophetic themes and even mentions plants growing and withering. It's the psalm that Peter quotes from in talking about the nearness of Christ's return in 2 Peter 3. I wouldn't use Ps. 90:10 to put God in a box, but I wouldn't put it past Him either. Also, I'm in total 100% agreement about the fig tree. Maranatha! |
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Post by Joe on Aug 19, 2020 19:58:17 GMT -6
disciple4life, From my understanding. When the Bible says a generation is 70 years or 80 years if strong, it does sound like a time frame. Mankind has redefined language throughout history and we still do it. Just like when a younger person says, "that's sick". An old person may not understand or think someone is actually sick. When actually the younger person was really saying that something was neat or cool. The constant redefining of language can make it hard for us to understand the thought process of others. People say all the time that they didn't quite understand what the other meant. My point is, is that, I understand what you're saying about a generation. Specially in the world we live in today but that verse sounds more like a clue or why else mention it. Now, I'm no prophet nor do I declare to be correct about everything. I just take in mental notes like we all do. Also, as Christians, it's ok to disagree. Sometimes I learn something new or didn't quite understand when someone debates what they believe. GOD bless! Joe
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Post by disciple4life on Aug 19, 2020 20:20:59 GMT -6
Yes, joe, I understand what you're saying. ;-) I agree that the passage in Psalms gives us a good time frame and it's also true that the vast majority of people's lifespans is in this timeframe, barring some accident or illness. I meant to point out that it's surprising how many people have this notion that when the 80 year mark arrives - bam, that's it, because that's what Psalms says by reason of strength a lifespan is 80, as if all that Generation must end or die at 80, but Christ said that the generation will not pass away, so this could easily be 85 or 90 years - because there are /will be thousands of people from the "Fig Generation" that live to be 85, 87 and 90. It was even in a recent article on the homepage - not one written by Gary. ;-) I'm convinced we are on the very cusp but in my humble opinion, the 80 year mark is one of a dozen or more converging signs, but the biggest one being the 3rd temple and the covenant with many that we are seeing. |
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Post by Joe on Aug 19, 2020 21:07:11 GMT -6
Now I'm exaggerating here but...
What if Jesus didn't come back until, lets say, 2050. Then when we are with Him, He showed us in the Bible where it stated He would be back in 2050. Now I'm only stating this because we all try to come to some year when things will happen and when He will return and why now must be the time. We may be all wrong. It's not we haven't been wrong before. Back in the 90's, just before the year 2000. We all heard the Y2K bug was going to possibly crash everything. People then were wondering if this was it. Yeah, there were crappy things happening around the world but it still wasn't the time.
Now look at today's world. Some cities are living like it is modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. People are getting away with murder in some cities and the mayors and governors are doing nothing about it. Nor do they want help from the military. That's insane! Now we have talks of peace treaties while dealing with a virus that we don't even know is real or not. Someone posted on Facebook, "If no one said anything about COVID19 and everyone was going on with their normal day, would you even know there was a virus?"
The world has gone so crazy, we don't even know if we can believe the news anymore. Politicians tear each other apart to make it to the top. Hollywood actors for some reason have a say with what's going on in the world. People want to defund the police. This is now a world of lawlessness and lies. Even if I were very ignorant, I would have to think the Lord has to be coming at any time. I don't know how much further He will allow this to happen? Maybe there are more to come to Him before He says, enough is enough. I think the late Chuck Missler made a joke one time saying, "I wish the last person(s) would hurry up and come to Christ."
Anyways, we all see what is going on in the world. We may not be correct on the timing with out theories but The Lord knows we love Him. We keep looking for Him daily because nothing in this world is worth a damn than The Lamb who willingly set Himself to the slaughter for our sins. Now who's love is greater than He?
Cheers and GOD bless!
Joe
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Post by venge on Aug 20, 2020 7:29:01 GMT -6
All these calculations and there's one simple one. A generation is 70 to 80 (if strong) years. Israel became a nation in 1948. 1948 plus 80 years equals 2028. Jesus said he would return before the generation that sees the fig tree (Israel) blossom. Now just take 7 years minus 2028 and you get 2021. So yes, Jesus could come and rapture the church in 2020. Here's some more info... Rabbi Kaduri passed away in 2006 but his message wasn't to be opened until a year after his death. Which was January 2007. Ariel Sharon was prophesied to pass away before the Messiah would return. He passed January 2014. Started to see a 7 year time jump here and why Kaduri's message couldn't be opened until a year after his death? I can not help but wonder if January 2021 is a marker in time. It may not be the Jewish new year (Spring or Fall) but it is the Christian new year. Only time will tell. GOD bless! Stay strong. And keep praying that many more come to Jesus Christ and that we are worthy enough to escape all these things to come. Joe , That is only "IF" you take Israel to be the fig tree. What about all the other trees? Is the context of the parable any of the trees or is the context just like when a tree starts to bear leaves (as you know if a tree has leaves, it has a chance to bear fruit afterwards), that the Kingdom is God comes in the same manner. People will start to leaf, and if they have leaves, they can bear fruit. |
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Post by Natalie on Aug 20, 2020 7:39:25 GMT -6
All the other trees could be the countries around Israel.
The Ottoman Empire ended and the countries in the Middle East started to become independent. They were shooting forth their leaves.
For example Lebanon in 1943, Turkey in 1923, Saudi Arabia 1932
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Post by Natalie on Aug 20, 2020 7:44:40 GMT -6
I can look up the Scriptures later, but Israel is described as a fig tree elsewhere in Scripture.
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Post by mike on Aug 20, 2020 8:19:59 GMT -6
I can look up the Scriptures later, but Israel is described as a fig tree elsewhere in Scripture. - Israel is the fig tree (Amos 4:9, 2 Kings 18:31, Jer 5:17, Joel 2:22). It is also the olive tree (Amos 4:9, Jer 11:16, Zech 4:3, Ps 52:8), the vine (Joel 1:12, Isa 16:8, Zech 8:12) and the bramble/thornbush (Isa 34:14, check out Song 2:2 'a lily among thorns'). I believe this is the first parable in the bible: The trees are people, I think you see this the same as I do. Being that Israel is alluded to each one of these we should look to apply this to the fig tree. As Natalie is saying the other trees but what type of fruit do the trees produce? Luke 6:44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. Indeed, people do not gather figs from thornbushes, or grapes from brambles I see that we are watching the trees bring forth their fruit in these last days. Lots to look into further for me on this topic for sure. This is loaded!! |
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Post by venge on Aug 20, 2020 20:39:10 GMT -6
I can look up the Scriptures later, but Israel is described as a fig tree elsewhere in Scripture. - Israel is the fig tree (Amos 4:9, 2 Kings 18:31, Jer 5:17, Joel 2:22). It is also the olive tree (Amos 4:9, Jer 11:16, Zech 4:3, Ps 52:8), the vine (Joel 1:12, Isa 16:8, Zech 8:12) and the bramble/thornbush (Isa 34:14, check out Song 2:2 'a lily among thorns'). I believe this is the first parable in the bible: The trees are people, I think you see this the same as I do. Being that Israel is alluded to each one of these we should look to apply this to the fig tree. As Natalie is saying the other trees but what type of fruit do the trees produce? Luke 6:44 For each tree is known by its own fruit. Indeed, people do not gather figs from thornbushes, or grapes from brambles I see that we are watching the trees bring forth their fruit in these last days. Lots to look into further for me on this topic for sure. This is loaded!! Sorry but I disagree. Israel is not said to be the fig tree here in the 2 verses posted. People assume so. In this parable, the olive and fig tree both decline to reign over the people. And it’s Israel that declines? |
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Post by venge on Aug 20, 2020 20:42:34 GMT -6
I can look up the Scriptures later, but Israel is described as a fig tree elsewhere in Scripture. Do they actually mention Israel? |
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Post by venge on Aug 20, 2020 20:46:48 GMT -6
All the other trees could be the countries around Israel. The Ottoman Empire ended and the countries in the Middle East started to become independent. They were shooting forth their leaves. For example Lebanon in 1943, Turkey in 1923, Saudi Arabia 1932 Youre assuming that Israel is the fig tree with that comment. Using the 1948 birth as a reference to the tree Christ smote and that is an assumption. Christ said it would never grow ever again. If that was Israel, then the people will never change and that is contrary to what the Bible says. |
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Post by Natalie on Aug 20, 2020 21:04:07 GMT -6
All the other trees could be the countries around Israel. The Ottoman Empire ended and the countries in the Middle East started to become independent. They were shooting forth their leaves. For example Lebanon in 1943, Turkey in 1923, Saudi Arabia 1932 Youre assuming that Israel is the fig tree with that comment. Using the 1948 birth as a reference to the tree Christ smote and that is an assumption. Christ said it would never grow ever again. If that was Israel, then the people will never change and that is contrary to what the Bible says. Yes, I am.
God's not done with Israel. But He was done with the fruit that the leaders had been producing.
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