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Post by venge on May 24, 2019 15:36:15 GMT -6
So we have a natural break down. After 7 weeks the rebuilding was completed. After 7 + 62 weeks the 70th week started. It started in 26 ad and ended in 33 ad. In the very exact middle of that week, Jesus was baptized on the Day of Atonement.To summarize - from a historical perspective. There is no reason to invent a gap and there is only one edict that actually fits the years. No other timeframe (whether 483 or 490) fits the years. Also, the third division of time is also explainable. But, we will not be satisfied with a simple historical perspective. The people of Jesus did not destroy the city and the sanctuary. The Romans did. The text stated the people of the prince that is to come shall destroy.... The people were the followers or the blood or the lineage of the Prince that will come. Rome was responsible for the destruction of the city/sanctuary in 70 AD. Everyone agrees, but Roman's as people were not. For who was a Roman at that time? Jews, Arabs, some Egyptians, Grecians, Syrians and many other tribes, countries. Yet, today people keep saying Roman as Italian and that is historically untrue. The Kingdom of Rome destroyed the city. The people at the war against Jerusalem in 70AD were employed by Rome but the people were not from Rome except the leadership. The ones who ran into the city and burned down the temple were order to stop by Italian leadership per Josephus in his annals. The ones that disobeyed were nations around Israel that already vehemently hated the Jews and desired to destroy them. Or how about this fact: There were 6 legions that were used to attack Jerusalem. 1. V Macedonia ( JUDEA) 2. X Fretensis ( SYRIA) 3. XV Appoinaris ( SYRIA) 4. XII Fulminata ( Turkey/Syria) 5. III Gallica ( SYRIA) 6. XVIII ( EGYPT) It has been noted by writers that a Lawrence Keppie who was a scholar of Roman history had stated that after 68AD: "the legions consist almost exclusively of provincials" Which means the soldiers for the Roman empire were mostly from the provinces of the eastern wing which demonstrate above: Egypt, Asia Minor, Syria etc....Not Italians! There is so much history I am not gonna put here but please stop implying Italians or Rome. That is not factual. The historical fact is the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary were Arabs. The historical fact is the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary were Syrians. The historical fact is the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary were Egyptians The historical fact is the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary were Palestinians The historical fact is the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary were Nations around Israel that have always hated Israel The historical fact is the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary were under the influence of the Kingdom of Rome. But the text does not say the people of the kingdom that destroys the city and the sanctuary. But don't believe me, believe Josephus's true words that show the hate the Arabs and Syrians had for the Jews: EDIT: When I get to 1k posts, my avatar may grow some hair... |
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Post by davewatchman on May 25, 2019 10:26:47 GMT -6
Wouldn't i have liked to have been a fly on the wall, instead of one in the ointment. Especially during those madcap rant and dent and dennis days.
Naw -- being a "fly on the wall" would not have revealed much -- if at all -- anything.....
Contrary to "perceived" expectations we moderators are very rarely in 100% agreement.... when it comes to beliefs and interpretation of various topics that come into this website.
What we do pull together and do is regulate how things are said - including reprimands - to the offending parties. I have been "called out" a few times (and have apologized) ....
we privately warn other users of offending comments and allow them to back down (and if they wish apologize) .....
other disagreements -- such as how many warnings and how sever the warnings should be... up to the rare cases where we ban someone. (which we hate to do -- because disagreement brings good learning opportunities)
I think that it would still be interesting to witness the thought process. But i think you guys are doing a fine job. |
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Post by davewatchman on May 25, 2019 11:18:51 GMT -6
Wouldn't i have liked to have been a fly on the wall, instead of one in the ointment. Especially during those madcap rant and dent and dennis days. Dave Rant was a character and had multiple chances here, Dent too. We tried so very hard to corral him, specially at the request of his daughter. Dennis was not really a problem, just mis-understood. In his zeal he was in error. The one you missed was DavidJayJordan - he wanted to fight. That was something, i forgot about his daughter. They were no brainers, slapstick, rant and dent that is. But Dennis and David Jay Jordan were like quasi luminaries. There must have been debates on how to handle them. You hate to see them go, in some ways. They were smart guys. David Jay had a page on New Jerusalem being cloaked inside the Moon. I know that it sounds crazy, but i think it is too. Even at it's largest stated size, New Jerusalem would tuck nicely inside the moon with all 8 of it's corners just 20 feet below the lunar surface. When the Temple in Heaven is opened, and the Ark of His Covenant is revealed, i think we're going to see that Heaven was never really that far away. If this is true, it means that Gabriel was traveling at about mach 92 on a three and a half minute trip to Daniel's location in Chapter 9. (It takes about 3.5 minutes to recite Daniel's prayer at the beginning of the Chapter.) "As soon as you began to pray a word went out,
and I have come to tell it to you, for you are greatly loved.
Therefore consider the word and understand the vision. www.davidjayjordan.com/NewJerusalemintheMoon.htmlThe fastest speed that humans have ever traveled was on May 26, 1969 at mach 32, the same year that the Knesset made a decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem. The crew of NASA's Apollo 10 moon mission reached a top speed of 24,791 mph (39,897 kph) relative to Earth as they rocketed back to our planet on May 26, 1969. That's the fastest any human beings have ever traveled. www.space.com/11337-human-spaceflight-records-50th-anniversary.htmlThe Moon rang like a bell
Between 1972 and 1977, seismometers installed on the Moon by the Apollo missions recorded moonquakes. The Moon was described as "ringing like a bell" during some of those quakes, specifically the shallow ones.[16] This phrase was brought to popular attention in March 1970,[1] in an article in Popular Science.[17] When Apollo 12 deliberately crashed the Ascent Stage of its Lunar Module onto the Moon's surface, it was claimed that the Moon rang like a bell for an hour, leading to arguments that it must be hollow like a bell.[1] Lunar seismology experiments since then have shown that the lunar body has shallow moonquakes that act differently from quakes on Earth, due to differences in texture, type and density of the planetary strata, but there is no evidence of any large empty space inside the body.[16] Meantime the experiments we had left on the lunar surface were busy recording and transmitting data. They all worked well, with one exception, and were really producing useful data. One unexpected result came from the seismic experiment recording the impact of Intrepid on the surface after we had jettisoned it. The entire Moon rang like a gong, vibrating and resonating for almost on hour after the impact. The best guess was that the Moon was composed of rubble a lot deeper below its surface than anybody had assumed. The internal structure, being fractured instead of a solid mass, could bounce the seismic energy from piece to piece for quite a while. The same phenomenon was observed at two ALSEP stations when the Apollo 14 crew jettisoned their lunar module Antares and programmed it to crash between the Apollo 12 and 14 sites. With every mission after Apollo 12, additional seismic calibrations were obtained by aiming the Saturn S-IVB stage to impact a selected point on the Moon after separation from the spacecraft. The seismic vibrations from these impacts lasted about three hours. Like KJ said - we (mods) really disagree on many things similar to others here. My understanding of a certain 'non-core' doctrine is flawed, blurred, seen through a glass dimly. But someone may come along a wipe off some of the grime distorting my view. The problem most prevalent is ones willing to accept that the view they have learned, or studied for years on may not be correct, may be skewed, may be missing a detail to bring the topic into better focus. 1Cor 15:3-4 is what all must agree on. That whole chapter is enough for me, it is why we believe isnt it? 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.This is why i like to listen to everyone. Who am i to say who is right? I think that's why it's nice that you guys don't go crazy on deleting the posts here. Dave's not a bad guy. Maybe not, but we can't keep letting him hijack peoples threads. Should we send him on a vacation? Or just a coffee break for a couple days? Yes, time to wish Dave a, Peaceful Sabbath. |
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Post by davewatchman on May 25, 2019 11:24:28 GMT -6
More? Ok so the 70th week is done. Ok, what's on Netflix …..I'm bored. Wait, what about the 3.5 years in Revelation? If the 70th week is done, why is that part left..... (eery spooky music: Da da, Da da, Da da -- dadadadadada Da Da DA!)
Has that ever been studied or pondered on? By anyone? Whhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyy does the 70th have to seem unfulfilled to make Revelations 42 months make sense?
WHAT IF
these time periods have nothing to do with one another..... 🤭🤫🤔😲😮😵😪😦😶😐🤕🥵😳😱😕😏🤨
Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston And so never more shall we see you again. - Quint |
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Post by Natalie on May 25, 2019 11:40:40 GMT -6
Dave, I don't always understand you, but I like reading your posts.  I don't have the money to send you on a vacation, but I have enough to buy you a cup of coffee if you wish. I hope you have a peaceful day. Hopefully we don't get any more rain. |
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Post by davewatchman on May 25, 2019 16:46:19 GMT -6
Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu you ladies of Spain. For we've received orders for to sail back to Boston And so never more shall we see you again. - Quint Dave, I don't always understand you, but I like reading your posts. Thank you, i like writing them. This is something i borrowed from the movie Jaws when the thread took a Jaws theme. I don't have the money to send you on a vacation, but I have enough to buy you a cup of coffee if you wish. Thanks again. But according to my theology, we will all go together for one. And if we finish the Pauline phase of the judgement process early, do you not know that we will judge the world?, there might be time for a horse ride. I hope you have a peaceful day. Thanks, you as well. Hopefully we don't get any more rain. That's for sure. Some places are on fire and want the rain, and in other places the ground is saturated. "These have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesyingThat always made me think of drought. And God said that He would never destroy the earth again with a flood. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't be inconvenienced by getting too much rain. If they HAVE the power to shut up the heavens, but they don't use it, it might be just like in the days of Noah, but we won't be destroyed by it this time. This morning i found an excellent note from 1941 about TIME in the Bible. It was displayed on a NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS) page as a GIF file, so i had to use an OCR program in order to recognize the image file in order to then transfer it into text that could be copied. I had to upgrade my Adobe first. It reminded me of how the composite beast uses the colors of God's rainbow for it's own purposes.  Peaceful Rest of the Sabbath. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 25, 2019 20:52:00 GMT -6
Today I walked about our property and found myself pondering about many things. Then I went to the store and bought the things I need to make supper.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 25, 2019 21:09:39 GMT -6
um, I wrote what I did above because I am a little confused about the content on this page 13 of this thread. What in the world are you all talking about? Can someone at least make a comment about atonement? I feel like I what I wrote is not visible, or somehow no one is seeing it. except for venge. What is going on on this page 13 of this thread? Please tell me how it applies to the 70th week, page 13 above what I am posting right now. please. am I in the twilight zone?
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Post by cwood85 on May 25, 2019 21:23:49 GMT -6
What if the 3.5 years have nothing to do with the 70th week timeframe?!?
Has that ever been studied or pondered on? By anyone? Whhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyy does the 70th have to seem unfulfilled to make Revelations 42 months make sense?
WHAT IF
these time periods have nothing to do with one another..... 🤭🤫🤔😲😮😵😪😦😶😐🤕🥵😳😱😕😏🤨
Um, because it’s s time, time and half which mimics Daniel That spoke of the 70th week? That’s why? I apologize for my slow responses. I am in the mountains in Tennessee on vacation until tomorrow and internet access is spotty at best. Where I am staying has “WiFi” that does nothing but freeze up lol. Not complaining, it has been a wonderful time and the scenery is beautiful. Every ounce of me wants to live here. It’s hot, beautiful, the people are friendly and God is mentioned and loved everywhere. Not like back in Michigan which is so hustle and bustle all the time and any mention of God is hard to come by. For those who want to to visit a tourist attraction here? Sure thing but it is also filled with scriptures, Jesus, and plenty of people who will tell you God is so good, even after over half the area burning down a few years ago, God is good because he blessed this area even more more after so much loss and has made it even better. Thats what the locals say anyways. This place is busier than I have ever seen it, and have been visiting for over 15 years. That is Gods specialty imho, to make things better than they were before.
Back on topic however, venge . I like you Venge and your ability step outside of the box and analyze, seek scriptures and most importantly seek God. You don’t stick to popular theology and mainstream understanding. You bring out the big guns 💪  The truth is offensive, it pierces to the bone and turns most away. Most would rather seek what is comfortable and requires the least amount of discomfort and suffering. I need you to do that with my post. Why? Because very few do. Most go to this or that popular ends time specialists or professional who line their pockets with sharing all their college earned “knowledge and wisdom.” Most people I have worked with who rely solely on their education and knowledge in any field but lack experience in working the actual field are completely lost when they are put into the real deal. Skill and experience goes a very very long way. My questions are not easy. They are also not foolish or in vain. They are honest, deep and require seeking, prayer and thoughts. Too long has majority of the church blindly followed the popular opinions and teachings because they are taught by the “professionals and specialists.” <<<<<<<EDITING TO CLARIFY FROM ORIGINALLY QUICKLY TYPING THIS RESPONSE AND NOT PROOF READING IT VERY WELL. THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE AT THIS SITE OR THE FORUM ITSELF. IT IS A VERY VERY BROAD STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO SEEKING MANS TEACHINGS MORE THAN GODS AND THAT ANY AND ALL OF US NEED TO BE DILIGENT TO SEEK SCRIPTURES FOR OURSELVES. IF ANYTHING IT IS A BIT OF A PLEAD AND REMINDER TO PLEASE USE CAUTION AND QUESTION ANYTHING WITH SCRIPTURES. I do believe barbiosheepgirl pulled out a pair of Tommy guns up there as far as big guns go and deserves some respectable responses and opinions from anyone who would like to take the time to do so. |
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Post by boraddict on May 25, 2019 21:50:11 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , your post reminds me of a poem that I read years ago that went something like this: The warm sunny afternoon is like a cat laying on the windowsill. However, in your case it goes: Walking and pondering things about our property is like buying things from the store to make supper. Thus, pondering things equates to preparing supper, and in both cases it involves survival. Thus, in all likelihood you were pondering things that pertain to you and your family's survival. I love watching all things Trump including the current political war that is going on in our country. Naturally there is a next step to all of this and it is stated in Isaiah 19. Also, it is referenced in the Edras Eagle prophecy of the Apocrypha that we have 5 presidents after Trump of which the last 2 are beholding to the deep state. This seems to indicate that three Republican presidents follow Trump and then two Democrat Presidents. If this is correct then we are not close to the final events; Yet. It seems that we have one generation of 40 years from 9/11 2001 within which these events in question will occur. So, at 2021 we will be half way through the generation in question with up to 20 years to go. As you can see, 5 presidential terms of 4 years each equals 20 years. I am just guessing but we are not close to the end at this point. We are in the "wars and rumors of wars" phase of Matt. 24:6-7 and are yet to witness famines, and pestilences. We see the earthquakes but so much more is to come. I remember 2008 and then 2011, and then 2016, and so many more solid dates and nothing has transpired except that we are given solid signs that we are at the right time in the history of the world. So we have 20 years to go. Please do not let my rant disrupt your pondering. I went out and bought pizza tonight for the family. It helps a little. Post Script: I am going back to reread your previous posts.
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Post by venge on May 26, 2019 12:11:16 GMT -6
Um, because it’s s time, time and half which mimics Daniel That spoke of the 70th week? That’s why? I apologize for my slow responses. I am in the mountains in Tennessee on vacation until tomorrow and internet access is spotty at best. Where I am staying has “WiFi” that does nothing but freeze up lol. Not complaining, it has been a wonderful time and the scenery is beautiful. Every ounce of me wants to live here. It’s hot, beautiful, the people are friendly and God is mentioned and loved everywhere. Not like back in Michigan which is so hustle and bustle all the time and any mention of God is hard to come by. For those who want to to visit a tourist attraction here? Sure thing but it is also filled with scriptures, Jesus, and plenty of people who will tell you God is so good, even after over half the area burning down a few years ago, God is good because he blessed this area even more more after so much loss and has made it even better. Thats what the locals say anyways. This place is busier than I have ever seen it, and have been visiting for over 15 years. That is Gods specialty imho, to make things better than they were before.
Back on topic however, venge . I like you Venge and your ability step outside of the box and analyze, seek scriptures and most importantly seek God. You don’t stick to popular theology and mainstream understanding. You bring out the big guns 💪 The truth is offensive, it pierces to the bone and turns most away. Most would rather seek what is comfortable and requires the least amount of discomfort and suffering. I need you to do that with my post. Why? Because very few do. Most go to this or that popular ends time specialists or professional who line their pockets with sharing all their college earned “knowledge and wisdom.” Most people I have worked with who rely solely on their education and knowledge in any field but lack experience in working the actual field are completely lost when they are put into the real deal. Skill and experience goes a very very long way. My questions are not easy. They are also not foolish or in vain. They are honest, deep and require seeking, prayer and thoughts. Too long has majority of the church blindly followed the popular opinions and teachings because they are taught by the “professionals and specialists.” I do believe barbiosheepgirl pulled out a pair of Tommy guns up there as far as big guns go and deserves some respectable responses and opinions from anyone who would like to take the time to do so. , Fair enough my friend. I will bite hard. What is the 3.5 years in Revelation has nothing to do with the 70th week? Is it possible? Logically, I would say yes though I would be cautious. The reason is that it is possible to be outside the 70th week until it can be proven otherwise. But, I have been under the philosophy that as we see things in Revelation, we are to return to our roots in the O.T. to understand things that are not spelled out in Revelation. The 42 months, 1260 days is spelled out in Revelation, the time of the Gentiles. But, going back into O.T. books, we learn that the specific time of the 1260 days has a correlation to the 70th week. So if it is not a part of the 70th week, assuming it is completed, why is it in Revelation to lead us back to the 70th week to understand it? For there is a correlation. And that is the struggle that I think people have. If the time of the gentiles is only 1260 days, then it appears there is not another 1260 days before it. Otherwise, wouldn't the time of the gentiles be 7 years and not 3.5 years? So I concede that the amount of years is odd. How the time of the Gentiles really stopped? From 70 AD to 2019...has it all been about gentiles? From 70AD to 2019? Is 3.5 years possible, Yes it is. But for me, I need absolute proof I can see in the Biblical text. I need markers and matching text. I need not just someone here to show it to me, but afterwards, once I read it, I need the HS to show me it. I need to "feel it" and not just say "yeah, ok I see it uhuh". I need that passion for it. And I am flexible if it can be proven. People take scripture so many ways: Example in my Fathers house are many mansions. Are these Houses up in heaven for us to sleep in, bathe in, talk in? Or spiritual figurative language? (Don't answer that  ). If the 3.5 years is separated from the 70th week, why is there a connection to it and why is it only half a week? Did something happen to the first half if it existed? |
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Post by venge on May 26, 2019 12:23:59 GMT -6
Daniel's 70 Weeks - It is all about Atonement and this is why for now I can not be convinced otherwise that there is still a 70th week yet to come:Since the creation of Earth, God has placed, in the hands of man, the responsibility to bring in the Kingdom. There were three mandates that were given: Bring in the Sonship, Bring in the Kingdom, and Bring in the Priesthood. One by one, these man made assignments failed. We must remember that these institutions already exist in Heaven. The goal was to bring them to Earth. This combined mandate was passed down through the sons of Adam until it fell on Isaac and then Jacob. Over time, the mandates split and different groups were responsible for different mandates. Judah was to bring in the kingdom, Israel to bring in the Sons of God. And the priesthood had almost completely disappeared. A hidden group was to bring in this priesthood. And so we end up at the point in 604 bc when Judah is conquered by Babylon. Judah's sister kingdom had already been taken by Assyria a century earlier. The mandates were given over to the beast kingdoms. The entire message of the book of Daniel is about this transfer of authority and about how it will be resolved in the end. It is not about a latter day Anti-Christ. But rather it is about the spirit of Anti-Christ that has been on Earth since the beginning, and I say amen to this. The spirit is this: Isa 47:7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
Zep 2:15 This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none beside me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.
________________________________________ And so we find, in Daniel, the details of how the beast kingdom would rule the Earth for centuries and how they would transition from one kingdom to the other as, in time, each failed to fulfill the mandates. This was an essential exercise to demonstrate to all witnesses that none were good. None could come close to touching the robe of God. Daniel is shown visions (of others and of himself) that diagrammed this process. He was given many details of the transitions between Babylon, Media Persia, Greece, Rome, Papal Christianity, and a hint of Mystery Babylon. So in Daniel 9, Daniel tells us that he was studying the books of Jeremiah, which had been written about 70-80 years earlier and he understood that it was time for Judah to head home. But notice what he says - I won't put the entire prayer here, but you will want to become very familiar with this prayer in Daniel 9 - it is our prayer for today. We must be fervent in the spirit of this prayer. Here are some morsels: Dan 9:2 ...that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Dan 9:4 ...made my confession, ... God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him ....
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, ...
Dan 9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them ...
Dan 9:9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, ...
Dan 9:12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
Dan 9:17 .. cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
Dan 9:18 ... and behold our desolations, ... for thy great mercies.
And this: Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
Daniel is praying, not just for Judah, but for Israel as well. Whether they be near or far, scattered as they were. He is appealing to the mercy of God. He is appealing to the Glory of His Name. He is claiming God as a covenant keeper and confirmer. He is acknowledging God as a doer of His Word. He recognizes the desolation of his city, Jerusalem. But - he also recognizes the desolation of the heavenly Israel and Judah. It is not just about the physical city. It is about the result of disobedience, sin, and ignoring the Word. I believe when we do not walk in the ways of the Lord, when we ignore His instruction - we say, I AM, and there is None Beside me. And we are made desolate. (sidenote, but it applies here) When Gabriel shows up, it is in this context that he makes his speech. It is not in the context of some anti-christ coming. It is in relation to what Jeremiah wrote, the captivity of Judah, and the prayer of Daniel that God rescue them. So Gabriel tells Daniel that his people will be released and that they have been given a chance. A chance to redeem the mandate a chance to change what they have done. A chance to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make atonement for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Indeed, Gabriel even tells them how much time they have to accomplish this: 490 years - split into three sections of 7 years. 49 years, 434 years, and 7 years. But Gabriel also tells Daniel that they will fail and that Messiah will come and finish the job. But that the result of failure will be the desolation, again, of all that they had rebuilt. Remember - Daniel knows the vision. Daniel has seen the future. Daniel knows about the great iron beast that will come and once again tear down Jerusalem. Gabriel is telling him when it will happen. And so, 490 years later, a 40 year clock was started. The 70th week started in 26 ad, 40 years before the Roman war on Jerusalem started. The 70th week ended in 33 ad, 40 years before the final destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Most of this destruction took place in 70 ad. 40 years after the middle of the 70th week - when Jesus was baptized.
For 490 years Judah was forgiven, each year, on the Day of Atonement. Each time the goat was sacrificed, and the other goat was led into the wilderness, God was atoning for the sins of the nation. And He was creating a picture of the beautiful Fall day in September of 29 ad, when Jesus would walk down the banks of the Jordan toward His cousin. And seeing Jesus, John would say, Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Judah had failed. Jesus was beginning His three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth - and it started with His baptism. In the exact middle of the 70th week.
Mat 3:13Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him.
14But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”
15But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him.
16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
Mat 4:1Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
2And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.
3And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” At the moment Jesus went under water, He set into motion a path of desolation. He foreshadowed His death. But in the moment Jesus cleared the water, He set into motion a path of atonement. He foreshadowed His resurrection. He fulfilled both goats of atonement. It was His baptism - on the Day of Atonement where He became the sacrificial Atonement for all. Where He put an end to the sacrifice recognized in the temple. He would then minister and preach this message for the next 3.5 years until He made it true on the Cross.At the end of these 3. 5 years, just before Passover, Jesus, knowing the time of desolation was near, stood above the city and proclaimed this: Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
How many times should a man forgive? 490 times. Once for each Day of Atonement that was allotted to Judah. And 490 times/years, they were forgiven. But the time was now up and they did not recognize it. Jesus wept, for He knew what was coming. Both for Himself and for the people. The time had been kept. The Word had been confirmed. It was time now, to confirm the covenant - it was time to make atonement for sin, it was time to finish the transgression[it is finished!], it is time to make an end of sins, it is time to bring in everlasting righteousness. It is time - to anoint the most Holy.And He Is the Most Holy! And only He could accomplish the mission. In that act on the cross Jesus re-united the mandates in one person. One Priest! One Son! One King. But His work also paved the way for the creation of Kings and Priests to come. It made a path for the Sons of God. Praises to the Most High! How wonderful are His ways and excellent Is His mind. How gracious are His Forgiveness and Mercies. How True that there is Only One and there is NONE BESIDE HIM! Amen! Some might ask - but we still sin, do we not? Therefore, He did not put an end to sin. Legally, He did my friends. Legally, Sin and Death have no authority over us. For He IS KING! He is in the business of calling what is not as though it was. He confirmed His covenant with the many - with all. And He will bring it to pass. But legally, He accomplished this work already on the Cross. I have come to believe that to connect this confirmation of a covenant with an anti-christ and a peace treaty is not only poor textual analysis, it is completely missing the point of Daniel, Daniel 9, Baptism, The Day of Atonement, the death and resurrection of Christ, it diminishes the great work that was accomplished in 33 ad that changed all history past, present, and future. You said: If the 70th week ended in 33 AD, to 70 AD is only 36/37 years; not 40. I am a little confused. I agree the whole thing is based on atonement of sin. There is no doubt in my mind. If the 70th week is fulfilled, why did the Jews have to wait 1878 years to return? (1948AD - 70AD=1,878 year difference). And now that they returned, did they change from their sin? This is tieing me in with the question by cwood85, that the connection to the 3.5 years in Revelation has no bearing on the 70th week but then what is the point? Help me understand. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 26, 2019 15:33:08 GMT -6
Is there a specific verse about this? if not, show me how you come up with this.. The math on the 33 AD is taking the 26AD-33 AD as the 70th week, with the baptism being the mid week event that is part the controversy we are discussing. The temple destruction began to take place 66AD and the final holdout taken over by 73AD. Is your reasoning venge , about the 3 1/2 because of Matt 24? When I read about the AoD in Matt 24 that is Jesus answering to the apostles and predicting the demise of the 2nd temple. Jesus has 3 part question given to Him coming off the mt of Olives. When will these things (temple destruction) happen, what will be the sign of your coming and the sign of the end? 1Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”
3As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, 1)when will these things (the temple) happen, and 2)what will be the sign of Your coming, and 3)of the end of the age?”
so we read his replies but they are 1, 2, 3, 1 again, 2, 3, etc. The aspect of the AoD is the foretelling of the temple #2. When you see the armies surrounding...Luke has it written more clearly for me
20‘And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded by encampments, then know that come nigh did her desolation; 21then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;
22because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.
23‘And wo to those with child, and to those giving suck, in those days; for there shall be great distress on the land, and wrath on this people;
24and they shall fall by the mouth of the sword, and shall be led captive to all the nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by nations, till the times of nations be fulfilled.
Daniel knew or saw his people rejecting Messiah and he also knew that desolations were determined, even until the end. So Jesus said to his Followers you will know when the armies surround that this Desolation will happen because of the Abominations of thy people..
the 'times of the nations' to me is the final kingdom that exists before Christ takes over and reigns. |
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Post by Natalie on May 26, 2019 20:34:53 GMT -6
Some think that Luke was speaking of 70AD and the passage in Matthew is speaking of Daniel's 70th week. In Matthew it says, "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." (24:21) Reading the whole paragraph in Matthew shows the context is His Second Coming.
The order in Luke is Jerusalem being surrounded and destroyed and then the Jews being taken captive into Gentile nations until the time of the Gentiles is over. That is not mentioned in Matthew. Instead, Matthew speaks of the abomination, Jews fleeing, the Great Tribulation period and the return of Jesus. Luke speaks of Jerusalem's destruction, the dispersion, then signs in the sun, moon, and stars and His Second Coming.
Two separate events.
Just something for you to consider.
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Post by boraddict on May 26, 2019 22:56:03 GMT -6
I wish that I could convince everyone to my understanding but I am not convinced myself. So consider that we know 70 years as well as 49 years etc. have scriptural meanings. Additionally, these groups of years are repeated throughout history. Thus, it seems that the 70 weeks is also a repeated period of time.
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