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Post by boraddict on Jul 2, 2020 23:19:53 GMT -6
Yesterday I was visiting with a friend about my latest analysis of the Book of Revelation and during that conversation I realized that 4 sets of seven exist within Chapters 6-19 to wit:
1) The 7 seals in Chapters 6 and 8 with Chapter 7 being an aside.
2) The 7 trumpets in Chapters 8, 9, and 11:14-19 with Chapters 10-11:13 being an aside
3) The 7 angels in Chapter 14 as an aside within Chapters 12-14
4) The 7 bowls in Chapter 16 as an aside within Chapters 15-19
The chiasmus of the book with respect to these four sets of 7 is as follows:
Ch. 1-5, 1) the greetings at Chapters 1-3, 2) the Chapter 4 excerpt that belongs after Rev. 11:12, and 3) the Chapter 5 introduction
Ch. 6-8:1, 1) 4 seals that are also the 4 horsemen, 2) seals 5 and 6 that are also in Chapter 6 along with the 4 horsemen, 3) the Chapter 7 aside, 4) 7th seal at Rev. 8:1
Ch. 8:2-9:21 and 11:13-19, 1) 4 angels with trumpets sound, 2) 5th-6th angels sound also called the 1st-2nd woes, 3) Chapter 10-11:13 aside, 4) 7th angel sounds (3rd woe)
Ch. 12-14, 1) Chapter 12 that harmonizes with Chapter 6, 2) the beast of 13 followed by the 144,000 of 14, the seven angels of Chapter 14
Ch. 15-19, 1) the ending (ch. 15) that follows Chapter 19, the seven angels with bowls of Chapter 16, Babylon falls in Chapters 17-19
Ch. 20-22 conclusion
Please notice in the first half of the book the two sets of 7 have asides that interrupt the story-line; whereas, in the second half of the book the two sets of 7 are themselves the asides that interrupt the story line. Additionally, placing Chapter 15 after Chapter 19 becomes obvious in my opinion when the beast is defeated in Chapter 19 and stated as such in Chapter 15 at Rev. 15:2. Lastly, the aside of Chapter 14 at the end of the story (Chapters 12-14) is so hard to see because it looks like Rev. 14:1 begins a new subject matter. However, this story segment begins at 12:1 and continues through 14:5 with no break between Rev. 13:18 and Rev. 14:1. That is, at 13:18 we have the riddle of the beast and at 14:1 we have the answer to Rev. 13:4 that pertains to who can make war with the beast. This means that the subject matter of 13:18 continues into 14:1 and that subject matter is how to count the number of the beast. That is, the beast claims to represent Christ who is standing with his army at Mt. Zion; gigantic contrast.
So what does this information mean? It supports my analysis that the story is repeated multiple times in the book. Thus, each of these four sets of 7 are simply a repeat of the same story but with different words.
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Post by boraddict on Jul 3, 2020 9:04:50 GMT -6
The following Chart shows the alignment of the four sets of 7 that are in the Book of Revelation. Please notice in this alignment that the red horse aligns with the mountain that is Babylon and the fall thereof. Also, the black horse corresponds to wormwood.
I have placed the Chapter 7 aside as well as the Chapter 10 aside in their proper locations in the 6th seal and in the 2nd woe respectively. This shows that the organization of the Savior's army in Chapter 19 belongs at the 2nd woe. Since the sealing of Chapter 7 occurs before the four angels of Chapter 8 as stated in Rev. 7:1-3, then Chapter 7 spans from before the 1st to the 6th of the 7. Secondly, since the great number that are gathered in Chapter 7 corresponds to the great number that are gathered in Chapter 19 then Chapter 19 spans from the fall of Babylon at the 2nd (the sea) to the 6th (the 2nd woe). This information shows that the marriage must take place at or between numbers 2 and 6. This information shows that the rapture must occurs at or before the 2nd (the sea). I also found it interesting that he mark of the beast corresponds to the white horse showing that the mark exists before Babylon falls. Seems reasonable that the mark corresponds to the COVOD 19 vaccination that is currently being developed.
| The 7 Seals of Chapters 6&8 | The 7 Trumpets of Chapters 8, 9, & 11 | The 7 Angels of Ch. 14 | The 7 Bowls of Chapter 16 | | 1st, the earth | Rev. 6:1-2, white horse | Rev. 8:7, hail fire blood cast upon "the earth" | Rev. 14:6-7, Angel fly in heaven (ch 12 aside), (ch. 13 aside) | Rev. 16:1-2, sore upon those with/mark, "the earth" (ch. 17 aside) | | 2nd, the sea | Rev. 6:3-4, red horse, "to take peace from the earth" | Rev. 8:8-9, mountain cast into "the sea" | Rev. 14:8, Angel announcing Babylon is Fallen | Rev. 16:3, those in "the sea" are (spiritually) dead (ch. 18 aside) | | 3rd, the waters | Rev. 6:5-6, black horse | Rev. 8:10-11, Wormwood, "fountains of waters" | Rev. 14:9-13, "3rd Angel" | Rev. 16:4-7, "angel of the waters," "fountains of waters" | | 4th, the heavens | Rev. 6:7-8, pale horse, "power over the earth" | Rev. 8:12, Sun was smitten | Rev. 14:14, One (Angel) like the Son of Man upon a Cloud | Rev. 16:8-9, men scorched | | 5th, 1st woe | Rev. 6:9-11, saints under altar | Rev. 9:1-12, "1st woe" | Rev. 14:15-16, Angel giving instruction to #4 | Rev. 16:10-11, kingdom of darkness | | 6th, 2nd woe | Rev. 6:12-17, wrath of God, (ch. 7 aside) | Rev. 9:13-21, 11:14, "2nd woe," (ch. 10 aside) (ch. 11:1-12 aside) | Rev. 14:17, Angel out from the temple | Rev. 16:12-16, gathered to Armageddon, (ch. 19 aside), (ch. 15. aside) | | 7th, 3rd woe | Rev. 8:1, half hour wait | Rev. 11:15-19, "3rd woe" | Rev. 14:18-20, Angel giving instruction to # 6 | Rev. 16:17-21, the end | | | | | |
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Please notice that the 4th has the sun smitten which means (IMO) that Christ is gone and this is supported in that "one is upon the cloud" of the rapture. Thus, with Christ gone then men are scorched by the beast. The Chapter 12 aside in the 1st spans to the 6th. Also, each of the seven have specific names that are: the earth, the sea, the waters, the heavens, 1st woe, 2nd woe, 3rd woe. Please notice that two of the seven are referenced in Rev. 7:1-3 and all seven are referenced in Rev. 14:7, 8:13. Last of all, please notice that the Chapter 11:1-12 aside shows that the temple is built in the 6th (2nd woe). Since the temple lasts 3,5 years, then items 1-6 take place during the 1st 3.5 years at which time the beast is destroyed. Then, the temple is built gathering the remaining wicked to Armageddon for their destruction in the 2nd 3.5 years. This is reasonable because the angel comes out of the temple (Rev. 14:17) in the 6th, and more impressively that the ark of the covenant is there in the temple at Rev. 11:19. As is known, Ron Wyatt claimed that Jeremiah (during the Babylonian invasion) hid the ark 20 feet below the later known crucifixion site of the Savior and he said that it is still there. |
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Post by venge on Jul 5, 2020 5:23:24 GMT -6
The following Chart shows the alignment of the four sets of 7 that are in the Book of Revelation. Please notice in this alignment that the red horse aligns with the mountain that is Babylon and the fall thereof. Also, the black horse corresponds to wormwood.
I have placed the Chapter 7 aside as well as the Chapter 10 aside in their proper locations in the 6th seal and in the 2nd woe respectively. This shows that the organization of the Savior's army in Chapter 19 belongs at the 2nd woe. Since the sealing of Chapter 7 occurs before the four angels of Chapter 8 as stated in Rev. 7:1-3, then Chapter 7 spans from before the 1st to the 6th of the 7. Secondly, since the great number that are gathered in Chapter 7 corresponds to the great number that are gathered in Chapter 19 then Chapter 19 spans from the fall of Babylon at the 2nd (the sea) to the 6th (the 2nd woe). This information shows that the marriage must take place at or between numbers 2 and 6. This information shows that the rapture must occurs at or before the 2nd (the sea). I also found it interesting that he mark of the beast corresponds to the white horse showing that the mark exists before Babylon falls. Seems reasonable that the mark corresponds to the COVOD 19 vaccination that is currently being developed.
| The 7 Seals of Chapters 6&8 | The 7 Trumpets of Chapters 8, 9, & 11 | The 7 Angels of Ch. 14 | The 7 Bowls of Chapter 16 | | 1st, the earth | Rev. 6:1-2, white horse | Rev. 8:7, hail fire blood cast upon "the earth" | Rev. 14:6-7, Angel fly in heaven (ch 12 aside), (ch. 13 aside) | Rev. 16:1-2, sore upon those with/mark, "the earth" (ch. 17 aside) | | 2nd, the sea | Rev. 6:3-4, red horse, "to take peace from the earth" | Rev. 8:8-9, mountain cast into "the sea" | Rev. 14:8, Angel announcing Babylon is Fallen | Rev. 16:3, those in "the sea" are (spiritually) dead (ch. 18 aside) | | 3rd, the waters | Rev. 6:5-6, black horse | Rev. 8:10-11, Wormwood, "fountains of waters" | Rev. 14:9-13, "3rd Angel" | Rev. 16:4-7, "angel of the waters," "fountains of waters" | | 4th, the heavens | Rev. 6:7-8, pale horse, "power over the earth" | Rev. 8:12, Sun was smitten | Rev. 14:14, One (Angel) like the Son of Man upon a Cloud | Rev. 16:8-9, men scorched | | 5th, 1st woe | Rev. 6:9-11, saints under altar | Rev. 9:1-12, "1st woe" | Rev. 14:15-16, Angel giving instruction to #4 | Rev. 16:10-11, kingdom of darkness | | 6th, 2nd woe | Rev. 6:12-17, wrath of God, (ch. 7 aside) | Rev. 9:13-21, 11:14, "2nd woe," (ch. 10 aside) (ch. 11:1-12 aside) | Rev. 14:17, Angel out from the temple | Rev. 16:12-16, gathered to Armageddon, (ch. 19 aside), (ch. 15. aside) | | 7th, 3rd woe | Rev. 8:1, half hour wait | Rev. 11:15-19, "3rd woe" | Rev. 14:18-20, Angel giving instruction to # 6 | Rev. 16:17-21, the end | | | | | |
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Please notice that the 4th has the sun smitten which means (IMO) that Christ is gone and this is supported in that "one is upon the cloud" of the rapture. Thus, with Christ gone then men are scorched by the beast. The Chapter 12 aside in the 1st spans to the 6th. Also, each of the seven have specific names that are: the earth, the sea, the waters, the heavens, 1st woe, 2nd woe, 3rd woe. Please notice that two of the seven are referenced in Rev. 7:1-3 and all seven are referenced in Rev. 14:7, 8:13. Last of all, please notice that the Chapter 11:1-12 aside shows that the temple is built in the 6th (2nd woe). Since the temple lasts 3,5 years, then items 1-6 take place during the 1st 3.5 years at which time the beast is destroyed. Then, the temple is built gathering the remaining wicked to Armageddon for their destruction in the 2nd 3.5 years. This is reasonable because the angel comes out of the temple (Rev. 14:17) in the 6th, and more impressively that the ark of the covenant is there in the temple at Rev. 11:19. As is known, Ron Wyatt claimed that Jeremiah (during the Babylonian invasion) hid the ark 20 feet below the later known crucifixion site of the Savior and he said that it is still there. Bora, I must disagree with a statement you made. If the white horse corresponds with the mark, how does the mark appear before the 5th seal where believers who have died cry out to God and ask him - when will you avenge us on those still dwelling on the earth? The mark should not be the reason why God judges man. I believe scripture details the mark doesn't come into play until Babylon's destruction. God destroys Babylon because of its constant wickedness and it is avenging the 5th seal martyrs. It is mankind that wants to re-build (Babylon) in what God just destroyed. Look at placement in Ch. 14 In this passage, Babylon is destroyed prior to the 3rd angel announcing the mark of the beast. If the AC kingdom was Babylon...and the mark came before it, all would be finished then once God destroys it. But not here. Men throughout history rise up when nations fall under. I think a great calamity will happen which is Babylon's destruction. Its at that time the man of sin rises up and gives the masses what they want to hear. They just lost everything, stocks, wages etc....they are mad, upset, anxiety driven. A perfect pool for a man to rise up and change the order of things. |
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Post by boraddict on Jul 5, 2020 10:14:56 GMT -6
Thank you Venge. I agree with you about that placement but I was only following the evidence as I understood it to be. Please look at the 2nd item in the list that gives the following verses: Rev. 6:3-4, 8:8-9, 14:8, 16:3 and it is here that we see that Babylon is fallen. The aside that firmly apples here (in the 2nd) is Chapter 18. Secondly, please look at the 1st in the list that gives the following verses: Rev. 6:1-2, 8:7, 14:6-7, 16:1-2, and the aside that specifically applies is Chapter 17; however, Chapter 13 also applies and it is here in 13 that the mark exists. From this it seems that both Babylon is destroyed and the mark is developed at the time of the white horse.
Additionally, the 2nd angel in Chapter 14 shows that "Babylon is fallen" (Rev. 14:8) corresponding directly to Rev. 18:2 (the aside). This statement is saying that Babylon has fallen prior to this point in time. Next, the 3rd angel states that those whom take the mark shall receive the wrath of God (Rev. 14:10) and correspondingly the 3rd angel in Chapter 16 is the angel of the waters (Rev. 16:5) and judgment. Please look at 16:2 that the 1st angel causes the sores upon those whom take the mark. Again, the verses seem to suggest that Babylon falls and the mark is taken in the 1st and it is at that time those who take the mark are smitten.
Please consider that Rev. 16:6 (3rd) corresponds directly to Rev. 18:24. Since Chapter 18 is the aside belonging in the 2nd and 18:24 links to 16:6, then the Chapter 18 aside extends from the 2nd into the 3rd. I think the same situation exists for the 3rd in Chapter 14, that the wrath upon those whom take the mark is primarily in the 3rd as you have shown and stated; however, it also exists in the 1st as shown in 16:2.
I agree with you venge that my previous statement is incorrect. However, Babylon appears to be the economic system that now exists and is replaced by the beast in the 1st; at the white horse. Another thing to consider is that items 1-6 appear to take place in the 3.5 years at the beginning of the tribulation. Afterwards the temple is built, I think, and another 3.5 years for the hordes to gather for Armageddon.
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Post by boraddict on Jul 7, 2020 13:10:23 GMT -6
In this post I am continuing with the four sets of 7 (seals, trumpets, angels, and bowls) to show some possible inconsistencies that I have found in my analysis; the largest of which is the placement of Chapter 7.
1) The seals 1-6 are in Chapter 6, and seal 7 is in Chapter 8 indicating that Chapter 7 has some association to the interim between the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12-17) and the 7th seal (Rev. 8:1).
2) The 6th angel at Rev. 9:14 is instructed to release the four angels that are bound to the 144,000; although, they in that verse are called the great river (army) Euphrates. That is, the four angels are bound to the 144,000 who must be sealed first (Rev. 7:2-3). It is for that reason that they are bound (Rev. 9:14); the 144,000 must be sealed first (Rev. 7:2-3).
3) The above analysis seems to indicate that the 6th angel presides over the four bound angels that are not released until sometime in the 6th seal (6th trumpet/2nd woe).
4) Since the 144,000 are with Christ at Rev. 14:1 and presumably sealed, then the bound angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:14-15 appear to be in that chapter (Rev. 14:6-16) as well as Chapter 16 (Rev. 16:2-9). In other words, the angels of Chapters 14 and 16 are bound to the sealing of the 144,000; they can not do their work until the 144,000 are sealed. Thus, the set of 7 angels in Chapter 14 and 16, (the bound angels), can not begin until the 6th seal that is also the 6th trumpet (2nd woe).
5) The above information seems to indicate that two sets of seven (seals and trumpets) primarily focus upon the actions of the beast and two sets of seven (angels and bowls) primarily focus upon the actions of the Savior.
6) It may be the case that the actions of the Savior follow the actions of the beast; however, it seems reasonable that they are somewhat harmonious. Thus, it appears to me that the major actions of the Savior begin at the 6th trumpet and those actions are those of the Chapter 14/16 angels and bowls, but the sealing of the 144,000 does not necessarily need to wait until the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12-17). In fact, the story consisting of Chapters 17-19 and then 15-16 show that the marriage takes place after the fall of Babylon but before Rev. 19:9 that links to Rev. 14:13. That is, the marriage takes place before the 4th angel of Rev. 14:14, 16 and most likely before Rev. 14:1; well before any action that is taken by the Savior.
7) In conclusion; it may be the case that the list of the four sets of 7 is correct and the seals and trumpets show the actions of the beast whereas the angels and bowls show the actions of the Savior indicating that Chapter 7 spans from before the beginning wherein the 144,000 are sealed and through to the 6th seal wherein the major actions of the Savior begin as shown in the 6th trumpet.
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Post by boraddict on Jul 8, 2020 9:33:19 GMT -6
Another chapter in the Book of Revelation that does not fit well in my summation of four sets of 7 (seals, trumpets, angels, and bowls) is Chapter 12. So please consider the Book of Revelation in the chiasmus form as follows: 1-3, 3 chapters 4-11, 8 chapters (includes 2 sets of 7)
12-19, 8 chapters (includes 2 sets of 7)20-22, 3 chapters Next, in looking at Chapters 12-19 please consider that the set of angels in Chapter 14 ends at the last verse of that chapter (Rev. 14:20), and the set of 7 bowls has it's introduction in Chapter 15 beginning at Rev. 15:1. Thus, a dividing line exists between Chapters 14 (the set of angels) and 16 (the set of bowls) such that the chapters wherein these two sets of 7 exist can be separated as follows: Chapters 12-14 includes the Chapter 14 set of 7 angels Chapters 15-19 includes the Chapter 16 set of 7 bowls Next, in looking at Chapters 12-14 please consider that Chapter 14 is a continuation of Chapter 13 for a number of reasons the most obvious of which is that the beast is introduced at Rev. 13:1 and Christ with his 144,000 are introduced in Rev. 14:1. And this leaves Chapter 12 as the lone Chapter because there does not appear to be a continuation from either Chapters 13 or 14, to or from Chapter 12. In fact, the only association that I notice from Chapter 12 to any another Chapter is the harmonious alignments to Chapter 6 as well as links that are common throughout the book. What I am saying is that the analysis of the set of seven angels (Ch. 14) which includes Chapters 12, 13, and 14 as shown above, does not show an association between Chapter 12 and the other chapters in this group. So, what is the connection? And here it is... and the harmonious link between Chapters 12 and 6 is the key to unlocking this mystery. Because, like the harmonious link to Chapter 6, Chapter 12 has a harmonious link to Chapter 14. In other words, Chapters 12 and 14 are aligned in some harmonious construct. This harmony appears to be as follows:
| Chapter 14 | Chapter 12 | | 1st angel | Rev. 14:6-7, the angel announcing that the judgment has come upon heaven, earth, sea, fountains of waters | Rev. 12:1-2, The great sign 9/23/17 | | 2nd angel | Rev. 14:8, angel announcing the fall of Babylon (the fall of Babylon is the result of God's judgment above) | Rev. 12:3-4, COVID19 that will result in the fall of the world economy (the dragon in part represents China) | | 3rd angel | Rev. 14:9-11, the warning from "the third angel" to those whom worship the beast, image, or take the mark | Rev. 12:5-6, the rapture (IMO) and the 1st 3.5 years of the tribulation. It seems that the 7 year tribulation pertains to the saints wherein they are pursued by the dragon and not so much the world in general. |
| Rev. 14:12-13, the link to the "patience and the faith of the saints" in Rev. 13:10 showing that the above verses link to Chapter 13 between vv. 13:1-9 |
| | 4th angel | Rev. 14:14, the 4th angel upon the cloud (of war) |
| | 5th angel | Rev. 14:15, instruction from the 5th angel to the 4th angel to make war |
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| Rev. 14:16, the 4th angel makes war | Rev. 12:7-11, war as represented in a shadow relationship to "the war in heaven" |
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| Rev. 12:12, the saints rejoice as referenced in the list of bowls chapters at Rev. 15:2-4 |
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| Rev. 12:13, the dragon (may also represent China) pursues the saints |
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| Rev. 12:14, Saints are rescued (IMO) and now the 2nd 3.5 years of the tribulation wherein the saints are pursued. |
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| Rev. 12:15-16, the earth protects the saints | | 6th angel | Rev. 14:17, the 6th angel |
| | 7th angel | Rev. 14:18, the 7th angel instructs the 6th angel to gather "the vine of the earth" |
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| Rev. 14:19, the 6th angel gathers "the vine of the earth" into "the great wine press of the wrath of God" and this is the gathering for Armageddon as referenced in the list of bowls at Rev. 16:16 | Rev. 12:17, the dragon is gathered to Armageddon (IMO) |
| Rev. 14:18, the wicked are destroyed and this is the wrath of God as referenced in the list of bowls at Rev. 16:18-21 |
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Okay, I covered the 7 seals and the aside in Chapters 6-8, and the 7 trumpets and the asides in Chapters 8-11, and the 7 angels and the asides in Chapters 12-14, so lastly is the 7 bowls and the asides of Chapters 15-19. This is perhaps the easiest of all because we have a solid indicator in Rev. 17:1 that it is connected to Chapter 16. So we have the beast rising in Rev. 17:3 and Babylon destroyed in Rev. 17:16. Then in Chapter 18 we see the aftermath of Babylon's fall and in Chapter 19 we see the great multitude to the wedding and the destruction of the beast. Then in Chapter 15 we see that the beast has been destroyed (Rev. 15:2) from Chapter 19 and then the temple as well as the release of the seven bowls and the wrath of God. Basically the pattern follows the above outline as described for Chapters 12 and 14 to wit: Beast rises, Babylon falls, saints to the wedding, beast destroyed, wicked gathered for Armageddon, the wrath of God. It appears that the COVID19 leads to the destruction of the economy that is the fall of Babylon (IMO). |
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Post by rondonmonson on Jul 9, 2020 5:23:32 GMT -6
The following Chart shows the alignment of the four sets of 7 that are in the Book of Revelation. Please notice in this alignment that the red horse aligns with the mountain that is Babylon and the fall thereof. Also, the black horse corresponds to wormwood.
I have placed the Chapter 7 aside as well as the Chapter 10 aside in their proper locations in the 6th seal and in the 2nd woe respectively. This shows that the organization of the Savior's army in Chapter 19 belongs at the 2nd woe. Since the sealing of Chapter 7 occurs before the four angels of Chapter 8 as stated in Rev. 7:1-3, then Chapter 7 spans from before the 1st to the 6th of the 7. Secondly, since the great number that are gathered in Chapter 7 corresponds to the great number that are gathered in Chapter 19 then Chapter 19 spans from the fall of Babylon at the 2nd (the sea) to the 6th (the 2nd woe). This information shows that the marriage must take place at or between numbers 2 and 6. This information shows that the rapture must occurs at or before the 2nd (the sea). I also found it interesting that he mark of the beast corresponds to the white horse showing that the mark exists before Babylon falls. Seems reasonable that the mark corresponds to the COVOD 19 vaccination that is currently being developed.
| The 7 Seals of Chapters 6&8 | The 7 Trumpets of Chapters 8, 9, & 11 | The 7 Angels of Ch. 14 | The 7 Bowls of Chapter 16 | | 1st, the earth | Rev. 6:1-2, white horse | Rev. 8:7, hail fire blood cast upon "the earth" | Rev. 14:6-7, Angel fly in heaven (ch 12 aside), (ch. 13 aside) | Rev. 16:1-2, sore upon those with/mark, "the earth" (ch. 17 aside) | | 2nd, the sea | Rev. 6:3-4, red horse, "to take peace from the earth" | Rev. 8:8-9, mountain cast into "the sea" | Rev. 14:8, Angel announcing Babylon is Fallen | Rev. 16:3, those in "the sea" are (spiritually) dead (ch. 18 aside) | | 3rd, the waters | Rev. 6:5-6, black horse | Rev. 8:10-11, Wormwood, "fountains of waters" | Rev. 14:9-13, "3rd Angel" | Rev. 16:4-7, "angel of the waters," "fountains of waters" | | 4th, the heavens | Rev. 6:7-8, pale horse, "power over the earth" | Rev. 8:12, Sun was smitten | Rev. 14:14, One (Angel) like the Son of Man upon a Cloud | Rev. 16:8-9, men scorched | | 5th, 1st woe | Rev. 6:9-11, saints under altar | Rev. 9:1-12, "1st woe" | Rev. 14:15-16, Angel giving instruction to #4 | Rev. 16:10-11, kingdom of darkness | | 6th, 2nd woe | Rev. 6:12-17, wrath of God, (ch. 7 aside) | Rev. 9:13-21, 11:14, "2nd woe," (ch. 10 aside) (ch. 11:1-12 aside) | Rev. 14:17, Angel out from the temple | Rev. 16:12-16, gathered to Armageddon, (ch. 19 aside), (ch. 15. aside) | | 7th, 3rd woe | Rev. 8:1, half hour wait | Rev. 11:15-19, "3rd woe" | Rev. 14:18-20, Angel giving instruction to # 6 | Rev. 16:17-21, the end | | | | | |
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Please notice that the 4th has the sun smitten which means (IMO) that Christ is gone and this is supported in that "one is upon the cloud" of the rapture. Thus, with Christ gone then men are scorched by the beast. The Chapter 12 aside in the 1st spans to the 6th. Also, each of the seven have specific names that are: the earth, the sea, the waters, the heavens, 1st woe, 2nd woe, 3rd woe. Please notice that two of the seven are referenced in Rev. 7:1-3 and all seven are referenced in Rev. 14:7, 8:13. Last of all, please notice that the Chapter 11:1-12 aside shows that the temple is built in the 6th (2nd woe). Since the temple lasts 3,5 years, then items 1-6 take place during the 1st 3.5 years at which time the beast is destroyed. Then, the temple is built gathering the remaining wicked to Armageddon for their destruction in the 2nd 3.5 years. This is reasonable because the angel comes out of the temple (Rev. 14:17) in the 6th, and more impressively that the ark of the covenant is there in the temple at Rev. 11:19. As is known, Ron Wyatt claimed that Jeremiah (during the Babylonian invasion) hid the ark 20 feet below the later known crucifixion site of the Savior and he said that it is still there. Bora, I must disagree with a statement you made. If the white horse corresponds with the mark, how does the mark appear before the 5th seal where believers who have died cry out to God and ask him - when will you avenge us on those still dwelling on the earth? The mark should not be the reason why God judges man. I believe scripture details the mark doesn't come into play until Babylon's destruction. God destroys Babylon because of its constant wickedness and it is avenging the 5th seal martyrs. It is mankind that wants to re-build (Babylon) in what God just destroyed. Look at placement in Ch. 14 In this passage, Babylon is destroyed prior to the 3rd angel announcing the mark of the beast. If the AC kingdom was Babylon...and the mark came before it, all would be finished then once God destroys it. But not here. Men throughout history rise up when nations fall under. I think a great calamity will happen which is Babylon's destruction. Its at that time the man of sin rises up and gives the masses what they want to hear. They just lost everything, stocks, wages etc....they are mad, upset, anxiety driven. A perfect pool for a man to rise up and change the order of things. Hello sister in Christ, its been a while and I see you are still plugging away. Since I have posted in this thread I have had my prostrate taken out and I am scheduled for a bit of Radiation in the coming months. I have not tarried, I have been studying myself. I have adjusted one thing, the Seals I now see as Prophesies, not actionable events. Rev. 2 and 3 = the Church Age. Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven before the Seals are opened, then we get to the Seals that I once thought was a part of God's Wrath. The Seven Seals : Jesus opens the First Seal, think of it instead as a lock on a book, the scroll of Judgments can not be read until all 7 Seals {Locks} have been opened, so when Jesus opens this First Seal nothing comes to pass, he is Prophesying via what is about to befall mankind when he starts reading from the scroll, after the 7th Seal. 1.) Thus, Jesus opens the First Seal, and then prophesies about a coming Conqueror who we know rules for 42-months, so he will conquer {White Horse} for 42-months. 2.) Jesus opens the 2nd Seal and prophesies about a man {Anti-Christ/Beast} who takes peace away for 42-months {Brings War} called the Red Horse. 3.) Jesus opens the 3rd Seal and tells about a man riding a Black Horse {Anti-Christ/Beast} whose wars bring with them Famine over a 42-month period of time. 4.) Jesus opens the 4th Seal and prophesies about the Anti-Christ riding a Pale Green Horse which represents Sickness & Death coming over that same 42-month period. 5.) Jesus opens the 5th Seal and we then see the handy work of this evil tyrants hand, The Martyrs under the Altar represents the Anti-Christ/Beasts 42-month reign of terror. 6.) The 6th Seal is Jesus prophesying about the coming Wrath of God shown in Joel 2:31, it will darken the Sun and Moon and cause a great earthquake. But these things can not happen until the 7th Seal is opened and Jesus reads from the Book of Judgments. The scroll is not opened until all 7 Seals are broken, as if the book had 7 locks on it. 7.) The 7th Seal us broken and there is SILENCE in Heaven, whereas on the other 6 Seals Jesus was prophesying, or showing visions of what was to come, here it is different, the 7th Seal brings the Judgment so all of Heaven is silent for 30 minutes. The scroll can now be read from, the judgments brought onto mankind, the Day of God's Wrath is at hand. The First Four Trumpets are the events that start the Day of the Lord. They are all four the same event. They make the Sun and Mon go dark as prophesied in Seal #6. Trumpets of Rev. 8 1.) An asteroid has fire that hits the earth before the asteroid makes impact say Scientists. So, Trump #1 would be fire hurled to earth ahead of the "MOUNTAIN". 2.) We know Trump #2 is a Mountain cast into the sea, or an asteroid/space rock. We see that in Rev. 8. 3.) Trump #3 is the same asteroid, but john describes it as coming in hot, or as a star, but why? Because this time God says it poisons 1/3 of the fresh waters, so God wanted John to know that Nuclear Fallout out from this asteroid would poison 1/3 of the worlds fresh water supply, so he points out its coming in hot. 4.) Trump #4 is results of the impact, of course the debris, smoke and dust will blot out the Sun and Moon bu 1/3. So, the Day of the Lord God's Wrath, as prophesied in Joel 2:31 is also Prophesied by Jesus via the 6th Seal as being very nigh at hand. Then it happens at the First Four Trumps of Judgment. Do we see anything like this on the horizon? Yes, there is an asteroid named Apophis that will come within 20 k miles of the earth on April 13, 2029, that is 10 TIMES closer than the moon and they say there is a three (3) percent chance it will hit just off the California Coast. You do the math. We see Pestilence, followed by Lawlessness, and Israel is a Nation again at a time when we have abortion {sacrifice} and homosexual marriage. What do you think? I think that asteroid, which was named in 2004, is the very event described in Rev. chapter 8. i think it begins the DOTL or God's Wrath. I think 1/3 of the Oceans are taken out {Pacific Ocean} and 1/3 of the world {The Americas} are devastated. While the rest of the world is are busy trying to help those in trouble guess what the shrewd Anti-Christ will do, he will take advantage of this situation like a chess player and make his boldest move now that the USA is pretty much out of commission, he will move on Israel and all the Mediterranean Sea Region to become the 7th Head of the Beast of that region. Now that the Seals are not seen as actionable, but Prophetic in nature, Rev. 7's timeline fits much better, the 144,000 are the Fleeing Jews who have just repented, thus they are Fleeing unto Petra just before the Day of the Lord {1260 event} at the Sign of the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260, where the White Horse goes forth Conquering. God Bless. |
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Post by boraddict on Jul 9, 2020 9:45:04 GMT -6
Thank you rondonmonson, and I will be praying for your speedy recovery. Interestingly, after my comparison of Chapter 12 to 14 I discovered proof that the trumpets follow the seals. Can you believe that? I had been working from the presumption that all four sets of 7 were the same events but now I can prove that at least the first two are consecutive. I will share that evidence in my next post. |
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Post by rondonmonson on Jul 9, 2020 16:47:35 GMT -6
Thank you rondonmonson , and I will be praying for your speedy recovery. Interestingly, after my comparison of Chapter 12 to 14 I discovered proof that the trumpets follow the seals. Can you believe that? I had been working from the presumption that all four sets of 7 were the same events but now I can prove that at least the first two are consecutive. I will share that evidence in my next post. Thank you sister, God Bless, I read some here and there but don't post much anymore.I am busy blogging mostly. God Bless All. |
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Post by boraddict on Jul 9, 2020 22:54:07 GMT -6
So I thought that all four sets of 7 were concurrent; however, in my comparison of Chapter 12 to 14 I discovered an anomaly that could not be explained. The problem was in the instruction from the 5th angel to the 4th (Rev. 14:15 IMO) and the instruction from the 7th angel to the 6th (Rev. 14:18 IMO).
Backing up just a little, I thought that the four angels in Chapter 9 (Rev. 9:14) were the four angels of Rev. 7:1-3. However, now that I clarified (in the comparison of Ch. 12 to 14) that the 5th angel instructed the 4th (Rev. 14:15 IMO) then it only made since that the 6th angel of Rev. 9:14 was not instructing the 4 four angels of Rev. 7:1-3. That is, the 6th angel (Rev. 9:14) did not instruct the four angels that were told to wait in Rev. 7:1-3 but the 5th angel did (IMO). In fact, the angel in Rev. 7:1-3 that arrives after the four angels is the 5th angel. It is simply a count 1, 2, 3, 4, and then 5 in Rev. 7:1-3.
So if the four angels were told to wait then where are they told to begin their destruction as shown in the four trumpets of Chapter 8? The answer is that the instruction from the 5th angel to the four angels (to begin their work of destruction) must be found in Rev. 8:2-6; after they were told to wait (Rev. 7:1-3) but before their destructions (Rev. 8:7-12). However, I do not see such instruction but I presume it to be concurrent to Rev. 8:6.
As a result of the above conclusions then the individual that is called "a voice from the four horns of the golden altar" (Rev. 9:13) that gives instruction to the 6th angel as shown in Rev. 14:18 is the 7th angel (IMO). With this information then the angel at the golden altar in Rev. 8:3 must be the 7th angel. Golden altar of 9:13 links to golden altar of 8:3 and since this is the individual giving instruction to the 6th angel (Rev. 9:13, 14:18) then the angel in Verse 8:3 is the 7th angel.
The above information seems to indicate that the seals and trumpets are consecutive and it may also be the case that the angels-of-14 and the bowls are consecutive. If that is true, then the seals / trumpets might be concurrent to the angels-of-14 / bowls.
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Post by rondonmonson on Jul 10, 2020 5:22:21 GMT -6
So I thought that all four sets of 7 were concurrent; however, in my comparison of Chapter 12 to 14 I discovered an anomaly that could not be explained. The problem was in the instruction from the 5th angel to the 4th (Rev. 14:15 IMO) and the instruction from the 7th angel to the 6th (Rev. 14:18 IMO). Backing up just a little, I thought that the four angels in Chapter 9 (Rev. 9:14) were the four angels of Rev. 7:1-3. However, now that I clarified (in the comparison of Ch. 12 to 14) that the 5th angel instructed the 4th (Rev. 14:15 IMO) then it only made since that the 6th angel of Rev. 9:14 was not instructing the 4 four angels of Rev. 7:1-3. That is, the 6th angel (Rev. 9:14) did not instruct the four angels that were told to wait in Rev. 7:1-3 but the 5th angel did (IMO). In fact, the angel in Rev. 7:1-3 that arrives after the four angels is the 5th angel. It is simply a count 1, 2, 3, 4, and then 5 in Rev. 7:1-3. So if the four angels were told to wait then where are they told to begin their destruction as shown in the four trumpets of Chapter 8? The answer is that the instruction from the 5th angel to the four angels (to begin their work of destruction) must be found in Rev. 8:2-6; after they were told to wait (Rev. 7:1-3) but before their destructions (Rev. 8:7-12). However, I do not see such instruction but I presume it to be concurrent to Rev. 8:6. As a result of the above conclusions then the individual that is called "a voice from the four horns of the golden altar" (Rev. 9:13) that gives instruction to the 6th angel as shown in Rev. 14:18 is the 7th angel (IMO). With this information then the angel at the golden altar in Rev. 8:3 must be the 7th angel. Golden altar of 9:13 links to golden altar of 8:3 and since this is the individual giving instruction to the 6th angel (Rev. 9:13, 14:18) then the angel in Verse 8:3 is the 7th angel. The above information seems to indicate that the seals and trumpets are consecutive and it may also be the case that the angels-of-14 and the bowls are consecutive. If that is true, then the seals / trumpets might be concurrent to the angels-of-14 / bowls. Yes, the angels in ch. 7 are told to HURT NOT the Earth, Sea and Trees. Then in chapter 8 we see that the Earth, Sea and Trees are what is hurt. So I have been knowing this, because I contend the 144,000 are the Jews who flee Judea to Petra, and God is holding up his Wrath on the Earth, Sea and Trees until they make it to Petra, hence the Revelation 18:4 verse, Come out of her {Babylon/World} lest you receive of her plagues via sinning with her. The key to following the other three angels is Rev. 8:13, the last three Angels that sound bring the THREE WOES. So, in Rev. 9 we see Angel 5 and Angel 6, then in Rev. 11 we see the 7th Trump sounds, so we know angel 7 sounds the 7th Trump because we are told this in Rev. 8:13. Thus the 7th Trump also has to be the 3rd Woe. But just like Woe #2 is shown in Rev. 11 but none of the details are given unto us because the details were given in Rev. 9, the 7th Trump sounding in Rev. 11 is just showing that the Two-witnesses ministry is complete, they prayed down the last woe, but we are given the DETAILS of the 3rd Woe in Rev. 16, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe, because the 7th Trump brings the 3rd Woe. The real info is that the Seals are not actionable, the Trumps start God's Wrath, the first four Trumps are the asteroid strike, the last three Trumps are the three Woes and the 3rd Woe are the 7 Vials/Bowls. Thus Rev. 8, 9 and 15&16 account for all of God's Wrath, the other chapters are Parenthetical Citation chapters, or different events that happened during chapters 8, 9 or 15&16. Rev. 12, 13, 17 and 18 all starts when the DOTL starts in Rev. 8. Rev. 11 starts 75 days before the DOTL because the Two-witnesses show up before the DOTL as Malachi 4:5 says. Rev. 14 and 19 both last the full 7 years, one has the Rapture of the Church in it {Rev. 14:14} because its the Harvest Chapter and the other shows the Church before she became the Bride {Rev. 19:5-8}. You are on the right track sister, I am impressed. You have been paying and studying. But remember what Jesus told Mary, that good thing comes first. The Salvation of a human soul is the greatest miracle. Amen. |
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Post by boraddict on Jul 10, 2020 9:01:58 GMT -6
Thank you rondonmonson for that confirmation and instruction. So we have the 6 seals that are actions of man followed by the sealing of the 144,000 and then the 7th seal wherein the trumpets are ready to sound. Thus, the sounding of the trumpets are contingent upon the sealing of the 144,000. One might say that the 7th seal is also an action of man because the saints are praying in that seal. Thus, the seals are actions of man. Then we have the trumpets that are actions of God beginning with the 4 angels (Rev. 8:7-12) that appear to be an asteroid strike upon the earth. However, these four also appear to have an association to Rev. 14:14-16 in the harvest chapter (as you have called it and I agree). That is, the 4 angels are told to wait (Rev. 7:2-3) and then they act (Rev. 8:7-12). They must have been given instruction to act somewhere between 7:8 and 8:6; otherwise they would not have done their destruction. Since the four act via instruction and the 4th in the harvest chapter receives instruction from the 5th, then it seems that the actions of the four in Chapter 8 have an application to the harvest. That is, the actions of the four trumpets (Rev. 8:7-12) have a direct association to the Rev. 14:14-16 harvest and for that reason I propose that the harvest of 14:14-16 occurs at the time of the four trumpets. In this theory, since the 4 trumpets are actions of God and this is parallel to Rev. 14-16 (via the 5th angel instructing the action of the 4th angel) then the three preceding angels of Chapter 14 are most likely actions of God as well. This indicates that the angels of Chapter 14 are parallel to the 7 trumpets. Supporting evidence to this conclusion is that the first angel (Rev. 14:6-7) states that "judgment has come" and then the reference to the heaven, earth, sea, and waters that is the subject of the 4 trumpets (Rev. 8:7-12); after which, the angel of Rev. 14:6-7 states in Rev. 8:13 that three additional woes remain. So we have a parallel between the 7 trumpets and the 7 angels of Chapter 14; and since the 144,000 are sealed prior to the trumpets then the 144,000 in Rev. 14:1 are sealed prior to the actions of the 7 angels in that chapter. This means that following Rev. 14:16 three woes remain: The 1st of those woes is not stated in Rev. 14 wherein the 5th angel acts except for his instruction to the 4th, the 2nd of those woes is in the gathering of the vine of the earth by the 6th angel via the instruction of the 7th angel, and the 3rd woe is Armageddon and the wrath of God that is the wine-press of Rev. 14:20. Due to this alignment of Chapter 14 to the trumpets then it is reasonable that the bowls are actions in the wine-press. Great! Thus we have the following alignments (in the chart below) of the four lists of 7 (seal, trumps, angels, and bowls). I am still working on the chart.
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| Rev. 17:1-2 | | The capitalist economic system is upon the beast |
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| Rev. 17:3 | | John admires the economic system |
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| Rev. 17:4-6 | | The angel gives the riddle of the beast |
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| | The rise of the beast | Rev. 6:1-2, 1st seal, the white horse |
| Rev. 12:1-2, the great sign | Rev. 13:1 |
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| Rev. 6:3-4, 2nd seal, the red horse |
| Rev. 12:3-4, China and covid19 | Rev. 13:2 |
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| Rev. 6:7-8, 4th seal, the pale horse |
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| Rev. 6:9-11, 5th seal, saints under the altar |
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Post by boraddict on Jul 19, 2020 15:33:56 GMT -6
I have repeatedly over the years tried to construct a chronology for the Book of Revelation to no avail. So now my new idea is that perhaps the beast (Rev. 13:1), and his co-heart (Rev. 13:11) are 3.5 years apart. This would account for the destruction of the beast at Rev. 15:2 and the continued gathering to Armageddon at Rev. 16:16. Not only that but the rapture of saints at Rev. 12:5-6 followed by the destruction of the beast (in type and shadow terms) at Rev. 12:7-11, and then the continued pursuit of the saints in Rev. 12:13-17 that harmonizes with the 2nd woe in Chapter 9. Wherein, the saints are killed per the recent observation of rt.
That is, the saints are sequestered twice. Once at Rev. 12:5-6 and once at Rev. 12:14, and both times there is a 3.5 year period of time associated. So in the construct of my new chronology I am not going to have the two beasts rise together but 3.5 years apart.
So, we would have the rise of the beast in Chapter 6, followed by the saints being sequestered in Chapter 7, followed by the destruction of the beast in Chapter 8. Then, the rise of the beast in the 1st woe of Chapter 9 followed by the the saints being sequestered in the 2nd woe of Chapter 9 during which time the two witnesses and temple of Chapters 10-11 followed by the destruction of the false prophet (beast) in Chapter 11.
To harmonize the second half of the book Chapter 12 gives the two sequesters mentioned above, and the destruction of the 1st beast but not the second. Next we have Chapter 13 wherein both beasts are mentioned but only one reference to the saints and that perhaps would be the 1st sequestering. Then we have Chapter 14 with the one harvest of saints at Rev. 14:14-15 followed by the gathering to the wine-press for the beast. Then Chapter 15 follows that the beast was previously destroyed (Rev. 15:2) and the destruction of those whom took the mark of the beast as well as others are gathered to
Armageddon.
Chapter 17 has the hard link to Chapter 16 at Rev. 17:1; so, we have Chapters 17-19 (the fall of Babylon Chapters) in an association to Chapter 16 as well it's predecessor Chapter 15. Since Chapter 13 shows that the fall of Babylon pertains to the 2nd beast, then Chapters 15-19 apply to the second 3.5 years. This means that the primary application of Chapters 12-14 are to the 1st beast.
I will try to develop a chronology from the above information.
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Post by rondonmonson on Jul 19, 2020 18:23:51 GMT -6
Thank you rondonmonson for that confirmation and instruction. So we have the 6 seals that are actions of man followed by the sealing of the 144,000 and then the 7th seal wherein the trumpets are ready to sound. Thus, the sounding of the trumpets are contingent upon the sealing of the 144,000. One might say that the 7th seal is also an action of man because the saints are praying in that seal. Thus, the seals are actions of man. Then we have the trumpets that are actions of God beginning with the 4 angels (Rev. 8:7-12) that appear to be an asteroid strike upon the earth. However, these four also appear to have an association to Rev. 14:14-16 in the harvest chapter (as you have called it and I agree). That is, the 4 angels are told to wait (Rev. 7:2-3) and then they act (Rev. 8:7-12). They must have been given instruction to act somewhere between 7:8 and 8:6; otherwise they would not have done their destruction. Since the four act via instruction and the 4th in the harvest chapter receives instruction from the 5th, then it seems that the actions of the four in Chapter 8 have an application to the harvest. That is, the actions of the four trumpets (Rev. 8:7-12) have a direct association to the Rev. 14:14-16 harvest and for that reason I propose that the harvest of 14:14-16 occurs at the time of the four trumpets. In this theory, since the 4 trumpets are actions of God and this is parallel to Rev. 14-16 (via the 5th angel instructing the action of the 4th angel) then the three preceding angels of Chapter 14 are most likely actions of God as well. This indicates that the angels of Chapter 14 are parallel to the 7 trumpets. Supporting evidence to this conclusion is that the first angel (Rev. 14:6-7) states that "judgment has come" and then the reference to the heaven, earth, sea, and waters that is the subject of the 4 trumpets (Rev. 8:7-12); after which, the angel of Rev. 14:6-7 states in Rev. 8:13 that three additional woes remain. So we have a parallel between the 7 trumpets and the 7 angels of Chapter 14; and since the 144,000 are sealed prior to the trumpets then the 144,000 in Rev. 14:1 are sealed prior to the actions of the 7 angels in that chapter. This means that following Rev. 14:16 three woes remain: The 1st of those woes is not stated in Rev. 14 wherein the 5th angel acts except for his instruction to the 4th, the 2nd of those woes is in the gathering of the vine of the earth by the 6th angel via the instruction of the 7th angel, and the 3rd woe is Armageddon and the wrath of God that is the wine-press of Rev. 14:20. Due to this alignment of Chapter 14 to the trumpets then it is reasonable that the bowls are actions in the wine-press. Great! Thus we have the following alignments (in the chart below) of the four lists of 7 (seal, trumps, angels, and bowls). I am still working on the chart.
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| Rev. 6:3-4, 2nd seal, the red horse |
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| Rev. 14:15, the 5th angel instructs the 4th angel |
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| Rev. 8:7, first trumpet is upon the earth |
| Rev. 12:7-12, the war in heaven as a type | Rev. 13:11-18, the false prophet sends missiles upon the earth |
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Rev. 18:4-20, "Come out of her my people" and the people lament over her (Babylon's) burning
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| Rev. 14:17-19 | Rev. 19:11-21 |
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| Rev. 15:1-8, the beast has been destroyed | | 1st bowl |
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| Rev. 16:10-11 | | 6th bowl |
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As per the Six Seals, sister I was inferring that they were not actionable, in other words they being opened by Jesus bring NO ACTION at all, the key to what Jesus is doing is opening the book of Judgments, which has 7 Seals (THINK...7 LOCKS Instead) and thus the Judgments or Day of thee Lord God's Wrath can not come until all 7 Seals are Broken. Thus after each Seal Jesus prophesies what is about to come, the 23 Elders represent the Raptured Church in Heaven.The first 4 Seals are Jesus saying, this COMING Anti-Christ is about to come to power for 42-months, and hes going to Conquer, Take away peace/Make War, cause Famine and bring Sickness & Death over a coming 42-month period of time. In the 5th Seal we see the tyrants "COMING HANDIWORK" over the same 42-month period. Then we see Jesus opening the 6th Seal and warning God's Wrath is very, very nigh at hand. Then when the 7th Seal is opened, after the fleeing Jews make it to Petra (144,000) there is silence in Heaven, Jesus no longer needs to Prophesy, the Wrath of God is now at hand, the Trumpet Judgments are being readied. The Trumps, unlike the Seals are ACTIONABLE, you see, the 7th Seal has been broken, or the 7th lock has been taken off the book, now the Judgments can be read.Jesus is worthy to pass Judgment on mankind. If I were any good at making charts I could probably show you much easier, but being 55, well 56 Tuesday, almost forgot, I am not a geek when it comes to things like that. I get by, but that's about it. The WHOLE KEY to understanding End Time timing is understanding the 1260, 1290 and 1335 of Daniel chapter 12. The Anti-Christ comes to power as the Beast in the middle of the week (1260) one must never forget this, he has 3.5 years of FAKE PEACE or Agreements with MANY, not just Israel, in the Mediterranean Sea Region, he then Conquers them all starting on day 1260 in the middle of the week........BUT WHY on that day? Well, that is the Day of the Lord's Gad's Wrath or the day His wrath starts, the asteroid hits an wipes out 1/3 of the world it seems, I would think if you understand dark sentences (riddles) and are a part of Satan, you would have a plan that gives you great position on a "Chess Board". If the USA is taken out by this asteroid, as I assume, then that makes the Anti-Christ's job a lot easier. God/Jesus says he rules 1260 days as the Beast, he goes forth Conquering on the same day the asteroid strikes and chaos is ten bound, while everyone else is looking to help, or many are, he looks to Conquer when it LEAST EXPECTED. The 1260 is the key. Since I am no good at Charts I am going to try and explain it via short verbiage, which as you know is not who I am, I am LONG WINDED. Maybe that way I can get this across as per he timing of the book of Revelation in a more concise, relatable manner. I will give the chapters that start before the 1260 (middle of the week event) together and the chapters that start at the 1260 event. Some of course start after the Second Coming. Rev. 1 is John seeing Jesus in all his Glory (The things which John has SEEN is Jesus in all his Glory) Rev. 2 and 3 are the Church Age (Things which ARE) And Everything after Revelation 4:1, which is the Rapture ( The things which will be HEREAFTER). Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened by Jesus. Rev. 6 is Jesus opening the Seals which happens JUST BEFORE the 1260 happens down on earth, thus Jesus prophesies what is about to befall mankind. Rev. 7 also happens JUST BEFORE the 1260, because the Jews flee Judea at the 1290 SIGN like Jesus told them to, 30 days before the 1260 Middle of the week event. The Middle of the Week.........the 1260 Event..............The Anti-Christ becomes THE BEAST..........The Beast Arises from the Sea Rev. 8, the Day of the Lord God's Wrath is at hand, the asteroid/MOUNTAIN is cast into the Sea triggering the 1260 day rule of the Anti-Christ who goes forth Conquering at the same time this asteroid strikes, e uses it to help him achieve his goals, he has no morals of course. He tries to get at the Fleeing Jews but the earth protects them lke id did in Egypt, a wall of fire, etc. etc. whatever it means, God uses the elements to protect the Fleeing Woman (144,000) A. Rev. 11 starts 75 days before the asteroid strike better known as the Day of the Lord God's Wrath. They have to turn Israel back to God BEFORE the DOTL. (Malachi 4:5-6) B. Rev. 12 starts in the Middle of the week (1260), the Dragon tries to get at the fleeing Jews via the Anti-Christs Army, but he can't get at them. C. Rev. 13 starts in the Middle of the week (1260), the Anti-Christ RULES for 1260 days, of course it has to start at the 1260 just like Dan. 12:6-7 says. D. Rev. 17 starts in the Middle of the week (1260) also, there can be but one GOD WORSHIPED in the Beasts world, the Harlot False Religions are KILLED OFF. E. Rev. 18 starts in the Middle of the week (1260), This is God Judging Babylon (whole world) over tat 42-month period as Jesus prophesied in the 6th Seal. Rev. and all these appendages start in the Middle of the Week (1260) at the exact same time. The 1260 is the KEY to understanding end time prophecy and timing. Rev. 9 is two of the last Woes. It of course comes after the Middle of the week, after Rev. 8, its part of the REAL TIME EVENTS. Rev. 10 is a flash forward to the very end. Rev. 15&16 ends Satan's rule over this earth. It starts 75 days before the Beast is defeated, we know this because the Two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, and they show up at the 1335, which = 75 days before the 1260 Event, thus they also have to die 75 days before the Beast dies, because BOTH have 1260 day offices as ORDAINED by God. Of course Rev. 20, 21 and 22 are after the 70th week. Rev. 14 and 19 are odd in that both cover the full 7 years of the 70th week. Rev. 19 is the Church/Bride in Heaven BEFORE the Marriage and at the Marriage Supper which always happens 7 days later (7 years). Rev. 14 is the Harvest Chapter, we see the Wheat (Israel/144,000 with Jesus) in verse 1, and in verses 17-20 we see the Wicked Tares, but we also see the Pre tribulation Rapture in verse 14. So, Rev. 8, A, B, C, D and E all start at the EXACT SAME TIME, in the Middle of the week (1260). Rev. 9 starts later, then Rev. 16 starts 75 days before Jesus' Second Coming. God Bless...... |
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Post by boraddict on Jul 19, 2020 19:43:28 GMT -6
Thank you rondonmonson, and the theory that you present is plausible. Please look at the Chapter 12 item wherein at Rev. 12:1-2 the great sign has already taken place. You stated that: "B. Rev. 12 starts in the Middle of the week (1260), the Dragon tries to get at the fleeing Jews via the Anti-Christs Army, but he can't get at them." I am convinced that the sequestering at Rev. 12:14 is indeed the fleeing Jews just as you have described. However, if you include Rev. 12:5-6 as the fleeing Jews as well, then we have two 3.5 year periods of fleeing Jews with a war in the interim wherein the dragon is defeated (Rev. 12:10-11) and then reestablished (Rev. 12:12-13); or, Rev. 12:14 is a repeat of Rev. 6. I am saying that if we look at Chapter 12 chronologically then there seems to be a flow from one event to the next as follows: Rev. 12:1-2 the great sign Rev. 12:3-4 the rise of the dragon (China perhaps) Rev. 12:5-6 the saints are sequestered for 3.5 years (rapture perhaps) after which is the next verse Rev. 12: 7-11 the type of the war in heaven the shadow of which is the beast being defeated here upon the earth Rev. 12:12-13 the dragon comes after the saints (in Jerusalem perhaps) and they are sequestered for 3.5 years Rev. 12:14-17 the dragon continues to pursue the saints and they are protected by the earth. There seems to be one or two woe references at Rev. 12:12-13 suggesting that Rev. 12:1-11 is prior to the woes of Chapter 9. Because of this and a few other indicators, I am thinking that the trumpets in Chapter 8 are in fact the war of Rev. 12:7-11. If this is correct then Rev. 12:5-6 is in line with Chapter 7 and Rev. 12:1-4 has an application to Chapter 6. This would mean that Rev. 12:14-17 is in line with Chapter 9. |
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