The Chronological Order of The Book of Revelation

Yes I understand your position. However, the evidence shows two raptures in Revelation Chapter 12 at Verses 12:6 and 12:14 as follows:

v. 12:6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.



v. 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

I realize that there are multiple theories that explain how these two raptures are one or that one or the other is as you have said. However, the fact is that these two exist in the same chapter and each has a period of time that appears to be 3.5 years. 

So there are multiple variables as to how this may go together and you have stated one possibility. For instance, I do agree that the second rapture may be for the tribe of Judah at Jerusalem; however, it may not be exclusively Judah who repopulates the earth.

As a matter of fact, I do like the idea of the second rapture being exclusively Judah. That makes so much since because Ron Wyatt found the Ark of the Covenant there and in my opinion it will be brought out in defense of Judah at the second rapture or close to it. I suppose it would be beneficial to discover when the Ark of the Covenant was used by Israel (the 12 tribes), and if it was ever used by Judah exclusively; after the 10 tribes were taken by Assyria. I do not think the Ark of the Covenant was ever used by Judah exclusively. Only that Jeremiah hid it as Ron Wyatt explains prior to the fall of Jerusalem to Neb. Thus, Judah did not use the Ark of the Covenant against Babylon; not that I can see anyway. So, I would tend to believe that all 12 tribes must be present when the Ark of the Covenant is used again and not only Judah. There are so many variables that for me to settle on a church doctrine simply will not work. I am convinced that all the information is to be found in the BoR.

Hi CW. You have made several great points.

1) "Signified" to mean symbolize is reasonable because the angel showed John the vision/visions.
2) The expanded meaning of "prophecy" is also reasonable.
3) Verse 20:6 is a great find and I am surprised to see it in the context of the two raptures in Chapter 12 as you have used it. However, this verses seems to state the first resurrection in contrast to the second that is 1,000 years later. That the first resurrection is a resurrection of the dead in which the dead will not die a second death. In contrast, those of the second resurrection have a second death that is the spiritual death of not being with God for ever. Thus, those of the first resurrection are priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for 1,000 years. That is, those of the first resurrection (not rapture) will live with God forever (no second death) and they are priests of God for the 1,000 year period of time. The priests are of the tribe of Ephraim that is the church; not Judah exclusively. That is, the priests are right here and right now learning and building their testimonies. It is they who will be called on the first rapture to do a work and the first resurrection is a part of that work. However, I do not know where in time the first resurrection takes place. According to Chapter 11, it begins when the two witnesses are called back to their bodies.
4) I think you are showing that the ruler of the kings of the earth is the Savior. Thus, the kings of the earth in the BoR are the priests who live on earth for the 1,000 years. Verse 7:15 shows that they will work in the temple among other things.
5) I agree that the BoR is about redemption and victory through Christ. However, those who will not join that group will be removed from the earth.

In conclusion, it appears to me that two raptures exist as evidenced in Chapter 12. Additionally, two resurrections exist. One of these resurrections take place somewhere during the two raptures, and the second resurrection is 1,000 years later. During that 1,000 years, the priests of God that are the kings of the earth work in the temple among other things. These kings of the earth are not the tribe of Judah exclusively but of all 12 tribes which are denoted as Ephraim; the tribe of adoption. That is, all 12 tribes as well as all people of the earth are adopted into the tribe of Ephraim and this is the church. Whereas, the tribe of Judah is the kingship tribe from which kings of the kingdom are derived. Thus, Ephraim is presided over by a king of Judah. Thus, the king of Judah is a priest of Ephraim.

To be honest Borra, I don't see any Raptures in chapter 12. The Rapture of the Church happens before the 70th week/Tribulation period, whichever verbiage you prefer. And when Jesus returns at the Second Coming he's not going anywhere for at least 1000 years. So there won't need to be a Rapture. Now there are three Harvests. The Raptured Bride is harvested in Rev. 14:14, Israel is Harvested as the Wheat and the Tares are Harvested as the Wicked, they are bound up and readied to be burned at a future time (1000 years later).

The BoR is a giant code book, the code is found in the Old Testament. God Bless.........

boraddict- Jesus Himself explains what you see as the "second rapture". Matthew 24:15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." In the passage in Revelation, the two wings Israel is given is God's protection as they flee. (as rondomonson pointed out in a post above) That whole chapter goes along with the book of Revelation. Scripture interprets Scripture.

boraddict says:

First off I want to clarify that me analyzing this the way I am going to below, is not picking on you. I am no expert on this but there are things being suggested in this thread as matter of fact and some of it is a little alarming in regards to no other scriptures are being used to back up these suggestions and similar. Tone cannot be conveyed via text and all is being written in a friendly manner and to get some serious questioning and thinking to hopefully occur. My responses, questions, and etc. are in color.


3) Verse 20:6 is a great find and I am surprised to see it in the context of the two raptures in Chapter 12 as you have used it. However, this verses seems to state the first resurrection in contrast to the second that is 1,000 years later. That the first resurrection is a resurrection of the dead in which the dead will not die a second death. In contrast, those of the second resurrection have a second death that is the spiritual death of not being with God for ever. Alright so help me out here on this. With the way you have broken things down, there will be two raptures and two resurrections? Why?  What purpose does this serve? where else in scripture is this stated? Thus, those of the first resurrection are priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for 1,000 years. That is, those of the first resurrection (not rapture So if it is not the rapture, than where do those in the rapture go while the first resurrection happens and those people reign with Jesus? Do they hang out somewhere else during this thousand years? Why wouldn't they also reign with Christ if they were raptured?) will live with God forever (no second death) and they are priests of God for the 1,000 year period of time. The priests are of the tribe of Ephraim that is the church (Where is it said Ephraim is the church and why?); not Judah exclusively. That is, the priests are right here and right now learning and building their testimonies. It is they who will be called on the first rapture to do a work and the first resurrection is a part of that work. However, I do not know where in time the first resurrection takes place. According to Chapter 11, it begins when the two witnesses are called back to their bodies.

4) I think you are showing that the ruler of the kings of the earth is the Savior. Thus, the kings of the earth in the BoR are the priests who live on earth for the 1,000 years. Verse 7:15 shows that they will work in the temple among other things.
(Why exclusively kings? Kings and the church/Ephraim or Judah? Why would God exclusively pick the two? Why a physical temple or ark of the covenant? What purpose would this serve when the entire new testament states the complete opposite on Gods views of physical temples and actions. The ark of the covenant in the BoR is not the physical ark. The ark is where the law was kept and was a physical representation of Gods law that he has placed in our hearts. Why would a physical ark have any relevance on anything in regards to being significant?)
5) I agree that the BoR is about redemption and victory through Christ. However, those who will not join that group will be removed from the earth.
(Which group and before, during, or after the thousand year reign?)


In conclusion, it appears to me that two raptures exist as evidenced in Chapter 12. (The woman in chapter 12 is the same woman, she is not two separate women in two seperate things raptures) Additionally, two resurrections exist. One of these resurrections take place somewhere during the two raptures, and the second resurrection is 1,000 years later. During that 1,000 years, the priests of God that are the kings of the earth work in the temple among other things. These kings of the earth are not the tribe of Judah exclusively but of all 12 tribes which are denoted as Ephraim; the tribe of adoption. That is, all 12 tribes as well as all people of the earth are adopted into the tribe of Ephraim and this is the church. Whereas, the tribe of Judah is the kingship tribe from which kings of the kingdom are derived. Thus, Ephraim is presided over by a king of Judah. Thus, the king of Judah is a priest of Ephraim.
(Help me out with these last few sentences as well with scriptures because I am not seeing or am missing this in the book of revelation.) 

The Rapture happens before the 70th week/tribulation period called Jacob's Troubles. So since Babylon (Rev. 18) is being destroyed by God's Plagues (Seals, Trumpets and Vials) how can there be a Rapture in these passages of Rev. 18 ? This chapter kicks off at the earliest at the midway point when Jesus opens the First Seal. That is why Babylon (The World) is hit with these Plagues of God. Thus we disagree on there being a Rapture at that point in time, however the Rapture of the Church is "Secret" to the Old Testament anyway so there wouldn't be a coded scripture for it anyway, there are some vague references, but Paul stated the Rapture was a "MYSTERY" (Musterion or secret by God's silence). 


Scriptures say different sister, which is what we have to go by. 

Job 2:1-6 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD. The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it." The LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man fearing God and turning away from evil. And he still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause."

Satan answered the LORD and said, "Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has he will give for his life. "However, put forth Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh; he will curse You to Your face." So the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, he is in your power, only spare his life."


Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

Satan is our accuser, he accuses us night and day, us as in the brethren in Christ Jesus. He is cast down at the midway point of the tribulation period, when Michael stands up, and we see that Michael kicks Satan out of Heaven in Rev. chapter 12. As we see in Daniel 12:1-2, this happens at the time of Great Troubles, when the Saints of old like Daniel will be resurrected. So Michael stands up at the END TIMES. 

Daniel 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

So Michael stands up to protect Israel at the END TIMES when Jacob's Troubles are happening, better known unto us as the Tribulation period. That is why we see the TIME, TIMES and a HALF [Time] here in Daniel 12:7 and in Rev. 12:14, it's another ENCODED MESSAGE which tells us the timing in which Michael casts out Satan. Thus reading Rev. 12 when does Michael kick Satan out of Heaven ? Well it has to be during Jacob's Troubles doesn't it sister ? This is why we have to use the Old Testament, almost everything in the BoR is John/Jesus giving it unto us in parables (CODE) so that only we can understand it, remember, Jesus stated that the reason he spoke in parables is so his people would understand, but those people of the world hearing would not hear and seeing would not see. Revelation is an encoded book. 

Put it all together, if Michael stands up at the Tribulation, where he protects Israel for a time, times and half [time] or 1260 days in Dan. 12, and Michael kicks Satan out of Heaven in Rev. 12 at the point in time when God protects Israel for a time, times and half [time] or 1260 days via eagles wings, when is Satan thus cast out of Heaven permanently ? At the midway point of the Tribulation can be the only logical answer sister. Satan is not in the 3rd Heaven, there are three Heavens, our Heaven of earth, the Heavens of the universe and the heaven where God resides. Satan can roam the earth and the Heavens and has access to the Lord, but not the Throne Room !!  There is a Temple in Heaven and there is a Throne Room where God resides. 

Well all one has to do is study it sister. I can show you how it is encoded. In the Rev. 17 Harlotry picture, go read Daniel 5 the Mene, Mene, Tekel chapter. Like I stated, of the 404 verses in the BoR it has 289 verses that has Old Testament verbiage/lingo/references, so Jesus/John indeed encoded the BoR with the Old Testament. 


You need it to be MAN CHILD to assume its a Rapture I guess, I don't understand why, but the Greek word used in Rev. 12 means MALE CHILD not MAN CHILD, I will go look at the Isaiah verse you gave me, but it's a clash of basics, there can be no MAN-CHILD in reality, I have heard this Rapture theory and discounted it, how does it go ? The Church represents the MAN CHILD ? 

Here goes as per Isaiah 66:7, it means a MALE CHILD also, the translators did not write the word of God, they only translated it, and many times they translated it different from the original meaning. The KJV translators are not my "heros" per se and for that matter no man is, if they translated something well, which they did 95 percent of the time then kudos, it is my favorite version, but God's intention is more important to me than the KJV translators. 

From Isaiah 66:7 the Hebrew word used for man-child is ZAKAR which = STRONG'S #2145 זָכָר zakar {zaw-kawr'}
from H2142; TWOT - 551e

n m

1) male (of humans and animals)

adj

2) male (of humans)

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H2142; properly remembered, that is, a male (of man or animals, as being the most noteworthy sex):— X him, male, man (child, -kind).

—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

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From Revelation 12:5 the Greek word used for man-child is ARRHEN #0730 ἄρρην arrhen {ar'-hrane}
or ἄρσην arsen {ar'-sane}

probably from G0142; TDNT - n/a; adj

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)


1) a male

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)


Probably from G0142; male (as stronger for lifting):—male, man.

—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

I don't really know why it matters, I was just pointing out that it really means a Male-Child, I think the argument is (not by the KJV translators but the people who see a Rapture here) that its a MALE CHILD and thus the Church. But the vision is a pretty easy read, it states that as soon as the MALE-CHILD is born, the Dragon tries to kill it and we know that Herod tried to kill all babies under 2 years of age and an Angel told Joseph and Mary to flee unto Egypt to avoid this encounter. So the passage fits a baby or Male-Child which she brought forth, who eventually ascended to Heaven. I personally don't see that big a difference, but the picture I see Jesus/John painting is a Dragon (Satan) trying to slay the Woman (Israel's) Male Child Savior, Jesus Christ who eventually ascended to the right hand of the Father in the Throne Room. Satan is cast down to earth permanently and is ANGRY, we know its at the end times because Rev. 12 says so. 

Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. {He has but a SHORT TIME to go when he is cast down unto earth. }

The Holy Bible says this in verses 12:16-17

Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Verse 16 is God using the earth like he did in the Exodus (Wall of fire, Sea parting etc.) to protect Israel, so Satan and the Anti-Christ get angry that they can not get at the Jews who fled Judea, Satan wants to kill all the Jews that way Jesus can not rule from Jerusalem with the Jews as prophesied, why do you think Hitler tried to kill all the Jews ? But of course Satan always does things that are used against him, Hitler led to the REBIRTH of Israel !! 

So after they get angry that God protected the Jews in Petra, they go after the Christians who came unto Christ after the Rapture. It spells this out for us in verse 17.  The Dragon and his Man of Sin go after Israel and fail, then they go after THE REMNANT (Small part that's left) of her (Israel's) SEED (Jesus is that seed, see Galatians 3:16, Paul says Jesus is THE SEED not of MANY seeds but of ONE SEED which is Christ Jesus). So in essence when the Jews are protected, the Anti-Christ goes after the REMNANT CHURCH that is on earth, he of course can't get at the Bride who is in Heaven having just married Jesus. These are the Martyrs of the 5th Seal under the Altar. 

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The Remnant of the SEED (Jesus) who keeps the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ are those on earth who came unto Christ after the Rapture sister. I try to fit everything together like a Mosaic, I of course offer my understanding in juxtaposition to others, so there will be differences, of course, but I do not try and insist others must see things the way I do, or say others use false doctrine, even if  think they are off kilter in their thinking.

God Bless