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Post by boraddict on Jul 25, 2020 15:00:42 GMT -6
venge , I think both judgments are in the four trumpets. I was looking at Rev. 7:17, and the reference to the Savior as the "springs of living waters" is also in Rev. 8:10 as "the springs of waters." I think that I understand the four trumpets now (a little bit more).
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Post by boraddict on Jul 28, 2020 21:17:35 GMT -6
So I was hoping to find some little clue in the Book of Revelation to identify when the events are going to take place. I have looked and looked to no avail. I guess the thing to do is separate the chapters into categories to wit:
4, God is upon the throne
5, God via Jesus gives the revelation
6, the 6 seals
7, the 144,000 are sealed
8, the 7th seal and the four trumpets
9, the fifth and sixth trumpets
10, the angel giving John the book
11, the temple and seventh trumpet
So in the 1st half of the book (above), the information that appears to be most valuable to us right now is Chapters 4 and 5.
12, the astronomical signs
13, the rise of the beast
14, the 144,000 are with Christ
15, the beast has been defeated
16, the wrath of God
17, Babylon is destroyed
18, the saints are called out
19, the beast is destroyed
In the second half of the book (above) the chapters that appear to be most valuable to us right now are Chapters 12 and 13.
Please notice in the above alignment that Chapter 4 should harmonize with Chapter 12; and secondly, that Chapter 5 should harmonize with Chapter 13.
Okay, so now let's look at the harmonization of Chapters 4 and 12. The contrasts between the two chapters indicates to me that they are parallels in the chiasmus of the book. This means that there are more opposites between the two chapters than harmony. So now the question becomes what is the harmony?
The big and obvious harmony is that in Chapter 4 our attention is "called up to heaven" (Rev. 4:1). Thus, a clear harmonization exits between Rev. 4:1 and Rev. 12:1 wherein our attention is drawn to the Great Sign.
Next is Rev. 4:2 and Rev. 12:2 and here we see further evidence in that "one is upon the throne" in Verse 4:2 and in Verse 12:2 we have "the child to be delivered."
I can't help but smile knowing that I am on the right track. Okay, next we have Rev. 4:3-4 an Rev. 12:3-4 and how beautiful is that! A clear contrast drawing our attention to God upon the throne and secondly the dragon; and notice that both of these are in heaven. There is so much more here that I will examine later.
Okay, next is the rapture verses of Rev. 12:5-6 and watch the beauty unfold in the harmonization to Rev. 4:5-6. Notice that they are clothed in white raiment and so much more. Wow! I hope you guys are enjoying this as much as me.
Next is Rev. 12:7-12 that is the Great War and then in Chapter 4 we have the four beasts of Rev. 4:7-9. The ending of these two groups of verses appears to be "rejoice ye heavens and ye that dwell in them" and "glory and honor and thanks to him that sat on the throne."
The last sets of verses are Rev. 4:10-11 harmonizing to Rev. 12:13-17. Clearly this is the true God and his people in contrast to the false god and his people. We see the true God being humble and loving in contrast to the false god being demanding and evil.
There is so much more to the harmonization of Chapters 4 and 12 but the above list of items provides a framework from which to work.
Next we have the harmonization of Chapters 5 and 13 that is earthshatteringly obvious.
God upon the throne in contrast to the rise of the beast.
The mouth of God that is Jesus in contrast to the mouth of the beast that is the false savior.
Jesus taking the scroll from the hand of God in contrast to the false savior using the power of the beast.
God giving us a scroll with seven seals in contrast to the beast forcing his followers to worship him.
I haven't taken the time to work the verses but it is all there for a fun afternoons work.
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Post by boraddict on Jul 29, 2020 19:17:15 GMT -6
This is a comparison of Rev. 4:3 to Rev. 12:3 that appear to link in the chiasmus of the Book of Revelation.
Verse 4:3,
"And he who sat there
1) had the appearance of jasper
2) and carnelian,
3) and around the throne was a rainbow
4) that had the appearance of an emerald."
Verse 12:3
"And another sign appeared in heaven:
1) behold, a great red dragon,
2) with seven heads
3) and ten horns,
4) and on his heads seven diadems.
As you can see, both verses describe god-heads; one being the true godhead and the other being the false godhead.
Next, let's look at the comparison between Rev. 4:4 and Rev. 12:4 to wit:
Verse 4:4
"Around the throne
1) were twenty-four thrones,
2) and seated on the thrones were twenty-four elders,
3) clothed in white garments,
4) with golden crowns on their heads.
Verse 12:4
"His tail swept down
1) a third of the stars of heaven
2) and cast them to the earth.
3) And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth,
4) so that when she bore her child he might devour it.
Please notice in the comparison between v. 4:4 and v. 12:4 (above) that the twenty four elders equate to a third of the stars of heaven showing that the stars represent to the dragon the same thing that the elders represent to the true Godhead. Secondly, whereas the elders are seated before God's throne, the stars are cast to the earth. Thus, the stars that support the false godhead of the dragon were cast to the earth.
Next (item 3 above) we have the elders clothed in white garments that are before the throne of God equated to the dragon standing before the woman whom is about to give birth. Interestingly, as we proceed to the end of Chapter 4 we see the birth at Rev. 4:10-11 wherein the elders cast their crowns before the Savior. So it is that the dragon is hoping to capture the event of the elders casting their crowns so as to then devour the Savior. It does not mean that the Savior is literally devoured, but that the event of the elders casting their crowns might be disrupted and thereby preventing an action by the Savior. We know that this action by the Savior is described in Rev. 12:5-6 where by the saints are protected. Thus, the dragon in Rev. 12:3-4 is trying to disrupt the events of Verses 12:5-6 that protect the saints. So, what is the action via the elders that is represented by them casting their crowns that in turn brings about the birth of the Savior here in the last days?
Perhaps a hint to finding the answer (to the question above) is in the next parallel that is item number 4. The elders crowns that are cast before the Savior are golden; and, these crowns are upon their heads. Thus, she whom bears the child (Christ) before he is born (v. 12:4) is the elders with golden crowns upon their heads. This shows that the elders in the Book of Revelation are most likely the church of Christ here in the latter days whom have upon their heads the golden crowns. So, what is it to have a golden crown; what do they represent? What is it that the dragon is trying to prevent by stopping the golden crowns from being cast before the Savior? Does this mean that the prevention of the golden crowns upon the heads of the saints prevents the Savior from returning? It must indeed have some application to that end.
Thus, the dragon is trying to prevent the golden crowns upon the heads of the saints so as to stop the Savior from returning to the earth. Okay, we know that before the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 can do their work the 144,000 must be sealed. So, it stands to reason that if the dragon can prevent their sealing then the 4 angels can not do their work. Thus, it seems to me that the golden crowns in Chapter 4 represent the sealing of the 144,000 in Chapter 7. Thus, the elders casting their crowns before the Savior (Rev. 4:10-11) is the sealing of the 144,000 that the dragon in Rev. 12:4 is trying to prevent.
The above information provides a timeline for Rev. 4:4, 12:4 that is the sealing of the 144,000 as described in Chapter 7. That is, the 144,000 are sealed (Chapter 7) at Verses 4:4 and 12:4. Additionally, since Verse 12:4 is linked to Rev. 6:4 then the 144,000 are sealed at the time of the rider of the red horse (IMO).
Hope you like my analysis above.
One more thing that I would like to mention is that in Rev. 19:12 the Savior has the crowns meaning that the 144,000 have been sealed prior to this verse. This sealing is the marriage at Rev. 19:7 meaning that at Rev. 12:4 the dragon is trying to prevent the marriage from taking place. This seems to indicate that Rev. 12:5-6 is an exodus and not a rapture as I have stated several times before. That is, Rev. 15:3 references "Moses" that has an application to the exodus of old. Thus, there must be an exodus here in the Book of Revelation and I propose that that exodus is found in Rev. 12:5-6 wherein the saints are sequestered for 3.5 years from the dragon.
This above information tells us that an exodus takes place at the time of with the rider of the red horse wherein the saints are sealed to the Savior and the 4 angels with with trumpets are actions by the Savior. Thus, the first four trumpets is the war wherein the beast is destroyed as shown in Rev. 19:11-21.
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Post by boraddict on Jul 30, 2020 9:42:14 GMT -6
I had never thought of Chapter 4 as a rapture chapter standing on it's' own but as a parenthetical chapter that came out of Chapter 11. However, as my recent work is showing, Chapter 4 is clearly a rapture chapter standing on it's own. So hats off to those who have previously accepted this conclusion about Chapter 4.
Now I am going to show the link between Rev. 12:7-13 and Rev. 4:7-9 and so now let's consider these two sets in their chiasmus forms to wit:
vv. 4:7-9
4. the first living creature like a lion,
3. the second living creature like an ox,
2. the third living creature with the face of a man,
1. and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight.
And the four living creatures,
1. each of them with six wings,
2. are full of eyes all around and within,
3. and day and night they never cease to say, 1) “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!”
4. And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever,
vv. 12:7-13,
4. Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon.
3. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated,
2. and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.
1. And the great dragon was thrown down,
that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—
1. he was thrown down to the earth,
2. and his angels were thrown down with him.
3. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, 2) “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come,for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.
4. And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
There is a lot of interesting things going on in the above verse sets. So, please consider the center and emphasis that is the four beasts contrasting with the deceiver of the world. Secondly, please look at the actions in the 1st set of parallels (1) that shows the flight of the four creatures like an eagle in flight in contrast to the dragon and his angels being thrown down. It should be obvious that the eagle's flight is the warfare of putting down the devil and this course links to Rev. 12:14 and shows that the saints are in a state of warfare in that verse.
Okay, the second set of parallels (2) shows the face of a man with eyes meaning that the representation of the four creatures can see as God sees. Also, please notice in the second set second parallel that there was no longer a place in heaven (for the devils) meaning that the saints were with Christ and are pure; and then in 3 is their loud voices.
So this is the third set of parallels that is simply beautiful wherein the saints say from each set:
1) “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!”
2) “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God." Please notice that the first set shows the ox that is Christ and the second set shows that the dragon that is defeated.
Last but not least the Lion is God the Father to whom is given glory and honor and in the second set the 144,000 have been sealed to Christ and this is evidenced by the male child having been born. That is so interesting because it shows that the 144,000 were sealed prior to Rev. 12:13. What does this mean? I think it means that the 144,000 were sealed prior to Rev. 12:5 that is the sister verse to 12:13 in Chapter 12. Thus, the sealing may have taken place in Verse 12:4.
Hope you like my analysis. There may be some errors in the above alignments but they are pretty close.
Lastly are Rev. 4:10-11 and Rev. 12:14-17 that are the birth verses of these two chapters and how odd is that! I mean, since Verses 4:10-11 wherein the saints (elders) throw their crowns that represents the 144,000 have previously been sealed (Ch. 7), then Verses 12:14-17 are likewise verses wherein the 144,000 have previously been sealed. So basically in these two sets of verses the marriage of Chapter 19 is taking place and this is evidenced by the Savior having the crowns in Rev. 19:11-12 that were thrown at his feet in Rev. 4:10-11. Secondly, the saints have been taken in Rev. 12:14 to a place that is somewhat identified in Rev. 19:1-9. This smoking gun evidence supports that the birthing of the Savior upon the earth is found in Verses 4:10-11, 12:14 and this is the marriage of Verses 19:1-9.
It means that the sealing prior to the birth (Rev. 12:5-6) is a distinct and separate event from the marriage (Rev. 12:14) that is after the birth.
1) sealing (Chapter 7 that is somewhere in Rev. 12:4)
2) birth (v. 12:5-6)
3) marriage (v. 12:14)
v. 12:4, "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it." So there it is; the dragon is trying to prevent the 144,000 from being sealed that "he might devour it" as in devour the second birth of the Savior upon the earth wherein he returns after the 144,000 are sealed. If the dragon can prevent the sealing of the 144,000 then he can stop the Savior's return. What is so critical about the 144,000 being sealed? It is the army that puts down the beast as in "who can make war with the beast" (Rev. 13:3-4) and the answer is, no one can make war with the beast except Christ's army. Thus, if you prevent the formation of Christ's army then the beast can not be prevented in his total destruction of the earth.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 2, 2020 0:56:46 GMT -6
I have been thinking about the relationship between Chapters 5 and 13 and at first glance it would seem that there is little in common between these two chapters. Because, Chapter 5 is about God having the scroll that is given to Jesus and Chapter 13 is about the rise of the beast.
Yet, there are gigantic things in common between these two Chapters like:
1) God and his true Savior in Chapter 5 and then the beast and his false savior in Chapter 13.
2) Also, the contrasting emphasis of whom is being worshiped in Chapters 5 and 13 wherein God is worshiped vs. the beast being worshiped.
3) However, the largest item of contrast in my opinion is that of Christ having died and is alive (Rev. 5:6) and then the beast whom was wounded to death and yet lived (Rev. 13:3).
So I hope to show these and more interesting connections as I do a comparative analysis of these two chapters.
Beginning with the chiasmus of each of the two chapters to locate the central emphasis as follows:
Rev. 5
"1 Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?”
3-4 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it.
5 And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
CENTER 7 And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.
8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, reach holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
9 And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them ya kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
11-12 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”
13-14 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Please notice that in above chiasmus the center is highlighted by the "four living creatures" both before and after, and the parallels are:
6&8, The Lamb
5&9, worthy to open the scroll
3-4&10, on the earth (just a side note that another chiasmus is here with the earth as the center)
2&11-12, who is worthy
1&13-14, to him who sits on the throne
Rev. 13
"1 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads.
2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.
3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.
4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”
5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.
6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,
8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
9-10 If anyone has an ear, let him hear: If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.
12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.
13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,
14 and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
15 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead
17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
Wow! I may have just found a solid link from fire come down from heaven (v. 13) to Rev. 8:5 via those who dwell in heaven (v. 6). It may be a long shot; just saying.
8&11, the earth
7&12, war on the saints
6&13, fire down from heaven
5&14, allowed (by God) to exercise authority
4&15, they worship the beast
3&16, the mark (representing the mortal wound being healed?)
2&17, the beast was like
1&18, the number of the beast
Okay, so there it is; Rev. 5:7 harmonizes with Rev. 13:9-10, and this is quite easy to see as follows: (v. 5:7) "And he (Jesus) went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne (God the Father). (v. 13:9-10) "If anyone has an ear, let him hear: If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain." Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints."
How beautiful is that? Okay, look at the last part that says "Hear is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints." So, who is the speaker of this part of the verse: Jesus, the angel, or John? For me, it seems that the speaker for this section of the verse is either the angel or John but not Jesus. However, the speaker for the beginning and center of Verse 13:9-10 is clearly Jesus and this is evidenced by the language that links to Chapters 2-3 wherein Jesus is the speaker in both of those chapters (Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 29, 3:6, 13, 22). Thus, the chiasmus of these two chapter centers (vv. 5:7 and 13:9-10) is as follows (IMO):
1) John states (v. 5:7): "And he (Jesus) went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne (God the Father)."
2) Jesus states the judgment upon the beast (v. 13:9-10): "If anyone has an ear, let him hear: If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes (Rev. 19:20); if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain (Rev. 19:21)."
3) The angel states (v. 13:9-10): "Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints."
As you can see, the interwoven nature of the chapter centers (above) suggests that both Chapters 5 and 13 are in harmony with each other. Not only that, but the center (item #2) is the judgment upon the beast given by the Savior himself (IMO).
Okay, so now I am looking at the parallels in Chapters 5 and 13 to see if they line up in some fashion for a quick analysis; however, no luck. I do see however in Chapter 13 a simple pattern to wit:
1st beast (vv. 13:1-4), 2nd beast (vv. 13:5-8)
center (vv. 13:9-10)
2nd beast (vv. 13:11-14, 1st beast (vv. 13:15-18)
I have come across this type of chiasmus before, here in the Book of Revelation, and they are solved by trial and error. So, it looks like the verses of the 1st beast join together and the 2nd beast likewise to wit:
1) 1st beast (vv. 13:1-4, 15-18)
2) center (vv. 13:9-10)
3) 2nd beast (vv. 13:5-8, 11-14)
Please consider that the 1st beast's counterpart in Chapter 5 is God the Father and the 2nd beast's counterpart in Chapter 5 is the Savior. Additionally, the BIG, BIG item in Chapter 5 is the passing of the scroll that takes place in the center of the chapter. Thus, the chiasmus of the chapter (5) is represented as follows:
1) God the Father has the scroll (Rev. 5:1-6)
2) center, Jesus takes the scroll (Rev. 5:7)
3) Jesus has the scroll (Rev. 5:8-14)
Okay, so there it is; a complete alignment of Chapters 5 and 13. Hopefully this alignment will yield some hidden secrets. So, please consider that the centers of the two chapters (5 & 13) revealed the judgment upon the beast as stated above. Then it is reasonable that the scroll that Jesus has taken (v. 5:7) has an application to actions of the beast that justify judgment. That is, the scroll contains actions of the beast for which the beast is justifiably judged. In other words, the scroll is about the actions of the beast and the judgment that he receives at the hand of Jesus; and since the scroll is basically the Book of Revelation then this book is about that: the actions of the beast and his judgment. Thus, the following chiasmus for Chapter 13:
actions of the 1st beast (vv. 13:1-4, 15-18) align with the actions of God (vv. 5:1-6)
judgment (vv. 13:9-10) aligns with Jesus taking the scroll (v. 5:7)
actions of the 2nd beast (vv. 13:5-8, 11-14) align with the actions of Jesus (vv. 5:8-14)
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Post by boraddict on Aug 3, 2020 19:07:00 GMT -6
In my last posting on this thread I compared Chapters 5 and 13. Interestingly, that resulted in an alignment showing that the 1st beast is to the world as god the father, and the second beast is to the world as the savior. Another interesting point of consideration is that the 1st beast is; well, let me show you the chiasmus as follows: Rev. 13:1-4, the 1st beast Rev. 13:5-8, the 2nd beast
Rev. 13:9-10, chiasmus center
Rev. 13:11-14, the 2nd beast
Rev. 13:15-18, the 1st beast That's right! The 1st beast is the beast of Verse 13:18. How crazy is that? I had always thought that Verse 13:18 applied to the 2nd beast. After I found this then I considered that Francis is the "holy father." Not the false prophet as I had previously thought, but the father; the beast that rises in Rev. 13:1. It's like a role reversal because now who is the false prophet but a traditional head of state and I am thinking Russia. So, the false prophet that is the head of Russia is the one who creates the mark of the beast to give honor to the father that is Francis. Go figure. The following are the Chapter 13 verses from above that apply to the 1st beast. The chiasmus of the combined verses is as follows: vv. 13:1-4, 15-18, "1 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it (the beast)? Center verses 13:5-14 not part of the 1st beast
15 And it (the 2nd beast) was allowed to give breath (of life) to the image of the (1st) beast, so that the image of the (1st) beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the (1st) beast to be slain. 16 Also it (the 2nd beast) causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the (1st) beast or the number of its (1st beast's) name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the (1st) beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." So working from the 4th parallel that is Verses 1 and 18 (I always count from the center of the chiasmus going outward); the chiasmus above shows several interesting things. First of all, the beast rises and he is number 666. So, who then was 665, and 664, etc. that also arose from the sea? I did an analysis of few years ago that lasted several weeks but in the end I discovered that Pope Francis is number 266. I can provide my evidence that is simply a reference to a website if anyone wants it. I do not have it in front of me at the moment. Additionally, that in scripture there are references to the Savior that are often symbolized by the number 4 or 40, or 400, or 4,000. It's like a friend of mine that is a carpenter and whenever he uses a board that he does not need to cut he states "Jesus loves me." Because, he was spared the risk of cutting his fingers off.  That is so funny. So it is that this list of liars link themselves to the Savior by counting their number in reference to his life upon the earth that is the number 400. Thus, the first one would be 401, and the second 402 and so forth until the current one that is 666. They simply do not add the 400 to the count like John did. This brings us to the second item (3rd parallel, vv. 2&17) from above that is the name or the number of his name. Okay, his name is Francis and he is Catholic and his number is 266. Secondly, he has power like a leopard, a throne like a bear, and great authority like a lion (As you can see, I blended the verse just a little). Not any lion mind you, but a lion that is supported by his mouth that is the 2nd beast. I like " the throne like a bear" part because we all can see that Francis is hold up in his den: The Vatican. Third item (2nd parallel) is that one of the beast's heads has a mortal wound that is healed. This is supported in the parallel that all the people receive a mark that is forced upon them by the 2nd beast. This suggests that the head that was healed is the 2nd beast that is the mouth of the 1st beast. However, Rev. 13:14 seems to clarify that the wounded beast is the 1st beast. Thus, it seems according to the verses here in Ch. 13 that the 1st beast survives an assassination attempt? Lastly; the people of the world worship the dragon via the beast, and anyone not worshiping the beast is destroyed. This cuts to the heart of the "plan of salvation" where individually, we get to choose our gods. Yet, the beast forces people to worship him or be killed. One last thought, I know that those in Salt Lake worship Nelson (their false prophet) but they do not kill others types of worshipers. At least they (the LDS) have that one item right about the gospel message; that is, we get to choose. But this beast in the Vatican and his co-heart in Russia (IMO) will show no such mercy to the people of the earth. It is either worship the dragon via the beast or death. I suppose that the manner of most deaths will be starvation. The following are the Chapter 13 verses from above that apply to the 2nd beast. The chiasmus of the combined verses is as follows: vv. 13:5-8, 11-14, "5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth (the 2nd beast) to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling (the earth) , that is, those who dwell in heaven (on the earth). 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it (the 2nd beast as their savior), everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Center, vv. 13:9-10 not part of the 2nd beast 11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast (their father), whose mortal wound was healed. 13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, 14 and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. All the above parallels are easy to see and the only verse that poses a challenge is 14 wherein the 2nd beast tells them (those who dwell on earth) to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. It sounds like the 2nd beast joins the stage in response to an assassination attempt on the 1st beast. |
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Post by boraddict on Aug 7, 2020 21:32:54 GMT -6
I was wondering if there is some alignment between Chapters 6 and 14. Not that there should be, but I was just wondering. So I am going to work on that next.
I am convinced that Chapters 4 and 12 go together as well as 5 and 13. So, the next logical step would be 6 and 14.
At first appearance it looks as though these two chapters have only the traditional links that is common throughout the Book of Revelation. So please consider the following chiasmi for a closer look to wit:
Rev. 6
1 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”
2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.
3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”
4 And out came another horse, bright red. Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, and he was given a great sword.
5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, pa black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand.
6 And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine!”
7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”
8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.
10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
11 Then they were each given ea white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,
13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth mas the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
Rev. 14
1 Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven alike the roar of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps,
3 and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
4 It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb,
5 and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.
6 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.
7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality.”
9-10 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.”
16 So he who sat on the cloud swung his sickle across the earth, and the earth was reaped.
17 Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire, and he called with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.
19 So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse’s bridle, for 1,600 stadia.
Look at that; the "slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne" (v. 6:9) corresponds directly to "these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name (v. 14:11). This seems to indicate that the 5th seal of Chapter 6 corresponds to the 3rd angel of Chapter 14. Further, I would say that these two events are simultaneous wherein Chapter 6 is speaking about the actions of the beast and Chapter 14 is speaking about the actions of the Savior.
This means that the verses prior to the 5th seal (vv. 6:1-8) correspond to the verses prior to the 3rd angel of Chapter 14 (vv. 14:1-8). Please consider these two verse sets in their chiasmus form to wit:
Rev. 6:1-8
1 Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”
2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer.
3-4 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”
And out came another horse, bright red. Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, and he was given a great sword.
5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, pa black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand.
6 And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine!”
7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”
8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
From the above chiasmus the emphasis appears to be upon the rider of the black horse and the scales that he holds.
Rev. 14:1-8
1 Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven alike the roar of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. The voice I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps,
3 and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
4-5 It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb,
and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.
6 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.
7 And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality.”
From the above chiasmus it appears that the emphasis is upon "These have been redeemed from mankind" (vv. 14:4-5).
From the above information it appears that the redemption of the 144,000 takes place at the time of the rider of the black horse. This means that Chapter 7 wherein the 144,000 are gathered to be sealed takes place with the rider of the black horse. Not only that, but Rev. 7:1-3 has an application to the rider of the white horse (v. 6:2) or the rider of the red horse (v. 6:4) or both. Additionally, from the above information, the rising of the beast (Rev. 13) also has an application to either the white horse, red horse, or both. Along that thought, the 1st beast (v. 13:1) may apply to the rider of the white horse (v. 6:2) and the 2nd beast (v. 13:11) may apply to the rider of the red horse (v. 6:4).
If the above summation is correct then the rider of the pale horse that is "Death" followed by "Hates" are the combined white and red horse riders. That is, the pale horse is a combination of the white and red horses making it a blood moon color. I had actually found this color in a previous examination of Rev. 6:12 and the linking verses in Chapter 9 but I did not know about this connection to the white and red horses. So this is the second time that I have located the color of the pale horse to be that of a blood moon color; you know, a washed out red. Thus, white + red = pale.
Additionally, the above information, if correct, shows that the 1st beast rises with the white horse, followed by the 2nd beast rising with the red horse, then the exodus of saints followed by the two beasts continuing their havoc as the rider (and his sided kick) of the pale horse. This means that the four horsemen of Chapter 6 harmonize with Chapter 13.
Since Francis is the 1st beast of Rev. 13:1 (IMO) and the rider of the white horse (based upon the above information); then we are now awaiting some event involving Francis that causes the rise of the 2nd beast that is the rider of the red horse. OR, the rider of the red horse is known () and we are awaiting some event that brings these two beasts together. It seems that just prior to their union (rider of the pale horse and sidekick) is the exodus (rider of the black horse).
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Post by boraddict on Aug 9, 2020 1:24:55 GMT -6
Next is the harmonization of Chapters 7 and 15. At first I thought that these two chapters did not have much in common because if they did then the next pair would be Chapters 8 and 16; and I had always believed that Chapter 8 linked quite solidly to Chapter 14. In fact, the only way that I could see the previous connection between 6 and 14 is if 14 is exclusively a harvest chapter; as in, the wine press being part of the harvest. Interestingly, there are two parts to the harvest the first of which is to bring out the wheat etc. and then burn the weeds. Yes, two parts that do coincide with Chapter 14 the second of which is the wine-press for the weeds at Rev. 14:19-21 and I'm sure that Rondon already knows this.
So an examination of Chapters 7 and 15 makes perfect since as follows:
Oh, one side note before I get started, is, that the temple is clearly stated in Chapter 7 and 15. I can see these two chapters meshing together quite nicely.
Rev. 7
"1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea,
3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
6 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
7 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
8 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.
9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”
14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white min the blood of the Lamb.
15 “Therefore they are before the throne of God,
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore;
the sun shall not strike them,
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd,
and he will guide them to springs of living water,
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
As you can see, I am simply building the chiasmus using the verses. I decided some time ago that God had already made the book as simple as possible with the work of others. Sometimes I do notice however a scribal insert or something along those lines and Chapter 7 does have one of those. Yet, there was one time that I found that this scribal insert had an actual application to the text that I was working here in Chapter 7. So I am not going to highlight the insert but use it as if it was the original text. The insert is simply my opinion anyway.
Secondly, Chapter 7 is easier to look at with the verses condensed as follows:
1-3, the 4 angels
4-8, the 144,000
9-10, the great multitude
11-12, the angels standing around the throne
13-17, words from an elder
As you can see, the emphasis of Chapter 7 is upon the great multitude.
Rev. 15
1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and amazing, seven angels with seven plagues, which are the last, for with them the wrath of God is finished.
2-4 And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fire—and also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in their hands. And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and amazing are your deeds, O Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations. Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.”
5-8 After this I looked, and the sanctuary of the tent of witness in heaven was opened, and out of the sanctuary came the seven angels with the seven plagues, clothed in pure, bright linen, with golden sashes around their chests. And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever, and the sanctuary was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the sanctuary until the seven plagues of the seven angels were finished.
This chapter (15) is easy to work because of the common themes in the verses. So rather than stretching the chapter out, I simply combined the verses (above) into their groups and now (below) it is simplified:
1, the 7 angels
2-4, those who conquered the beast
5-8, the sanctuary
Chapters 7 and 15 are aligned so beautifully. In fact, as I was working through the next paragraph the logic seemed to flow as follows:
1) the first beast (Rev. 13:1) is wounded but is said (by the 2nd beast) to have survived the mid-point war (Rev. 8:6-12)
2) the second beast (Rev. 13:11) picks up the mantel of authority to fight again (Rev. 9:1)
I have never considered the above scenario (1 & 2) and hope to work it through; to see if it fits. So now the next paragraph, the one I was working on prior to considering 1 & 2 above, wherein the combined chapters (7 & 15) are in a condensed manner. It looks quite promising and led me to items 1 & 2.
vv. 7:1-3, 15:1, the preamble to the destruction of the beast in two parts:
1) At the beginning of the seven years (Rev. 6:2, 4) wherein the army of God must wait until the 144,000 are sealed (vv. 7:1-3). This army then does it's destruction as depicted by the 4 angels at the mid-point (Rev. 8:6-12). In this war the 1st beast is destroyed but is propagandized as having survived via the 2nd beast through technological means as an image on the TV screen. The 1st beast speaks to the world as a made-up tool of the 2nd beast but he (the 1st beast) is dead.
2) After the mid-point war
vv. 7:9-10, 15:2-4, The army of God in two parts:
1) before the mid-point war
2) after the mid-point war
vv. 7:11-17, 15:5-8, The Savior leads his army to victory in two parts:
1) before the mid-point war
2) after the mid-point war
The above supports that the 1st beast is destroyed in Chapters 8 and 16 and the 2nd beast is destroyed in Chapters 11 and 19. Please consider the alignment of the chapters that I am using to develop this theory as follows:
First half of the book is to the second half of the book (excluding the introductory chapters 1-3 and the closing chapters 20-22. Remember, the book divides between Chapters 11 and 12; so the story that began at Chapter 4 is repeated beginning at Chapter 12.
1-3 (excluded)
4 is to 12
5 is to 13
6 is to 14
7 is to 15
8 is to 16, the 1st beast (v. 13:1) is destroyed here
9 is to 17
10 is to 18
11 is to 19, the 2nd beast (v. 13:11) is destroyed here
20-22 (excluded)
The problem to the above theory is Chapter 16 that must coincide with Chapter 8. In fact, let me first say that Rev. 17:1 has never set well with me because it claims to follow Chapter 16. However, in this theory the claim of Verse 17:1 would be correct: that it does follow the destruction of the 1st beast in Chapter 16. This means that Babylon sits upon the 1st beast (Rev. 17:3) for 3.5 years until he is destroyed as shown in Chapters 8 and 16. It follows then that the 2nd beast is the beast of the riddle (Rev. 17:8) and this meshes perfectly with Rev. 9:1-2. Next is the fact that this second beast is the 8th that is of he 7. He is of the 7 perhaps because the 1st beast (v. 13:1) is the 7th (Rev. 17:11). That's right! Since Francis is the 1st beast and is of Rome, then it holds that Rome as spoken of in Daniel in Neb's dream is the 7th beast. Right? I am just guessing at that one.
Okay, the big problem and I think that I have just solved it; is, that in Chapter 15 the beast has been defeated (Rev. 15:2). This does not mean that he has been destroyed but that the saints have won via surviving against the beast. Then!!! In Chapter 16 the beast is destroyed.
Also there is a problem with the grapes at Rev. 14:19-21 in that they show the beast being destroyed there. However, this can be explained via the point that the harvest was completed and then the beast destroyed. So!!! Chapter 15 shows that the harvest was completed as stated in Chapter 14 and the natural flow of events is the beast' destruction in 16. It is all explainable and the theory holds.
Therefore, it is my new position that the 1st beast is destroyed at the mid-point and the 2nd beast is destroyed at the end. Please do not read into Rev. 19:20 to much because it simply states that the beast and his false prophet were cast into hell but not necessarily at the same time (3.5 years apart). Oh, and another thing, the false prophet does not declare Christ but he does declare the 1st beast (Rev. 13:11-16). That is, the false prophet is a prophet of the dragon via the 1st beast but not a false prophet declaring Christ. Go figure.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 10, 2020 4:31:50 GMT -6
Yesterday my research seemed to indicate that the 1st beast (Rev. 13:1) was killed at the mid-point, and that the 2nd beast (Rev. 13:11) was killed 3.5 years later at the end.
Also, that the reason for the 2nd beast creating an image of the 1st beast and causing that image to speak (Rev. 13:15) was because the 1st beast was in fact dead and could not speak for himself.
So basically the 1st beast reigns for 3.5 years and the 2nd beast reigns for 3.5 years (IMO). This helps to explain why the Book of Revelation shows the destruction of the beast at multiple places in the chronology (IMO) ie. Chapters 8, 9, and 11 for the 1st half of the book, and then again at 12, 14, 16, and 19 in the second half of the book. Clearly some of these are repeats but some are addressing the destruction of the 1st beast and some are addressing the destruction of the 2nd beast (IMO). A good example of this is that the wicked are destroyed at Chapter 16 and then again at Chapter 19. Another example is that the wicked are destroyed at the harvest of Rev. 14:16 and then again at the wine-press of Rev. 14:20. One more example is that the wicked are destroyed at Rev. 12:9 (in a type and shadow relationship with the war in heaven) and then the wicked continue throughout the remainder of Chapter 12 and on into Chapter 13. Wherein the Beast was killed as stated in Rev. 13:3 and recovering as "the image of the beast" (IMO) as I previously described.
Please notice that beginning in Chapter 12 the mouth of the beast that is the 2nd beast enters into the story at Rev. 12:15 and continues as the mouth of the beast through to Rev. 13:8. Then this second beast is openly called the 2nd beast beginning at Rev. 13:11 and through to the end of the chapter. Therefore, it is my observation that the beast rising in Rev. 13:1 and receiving his power and authority in Rev. 13:2 is in retrospect. That the chapter actually begins at 13:3 with the 2nd beast showing the world that the 1st beast is still alive. Yet, he was killed back in Rev. 12:9 as the shadow of that (war in heaven) type. This means that the dragon in Rev. 13:3-4 is most likely the 1st beast.
Of course all the above is my opinion via my research.
And another thing; the 8th beast (Rev. 17:11) would be the 2nd beast (Rev. 13:11) and I am wondering how the 7th beast (Rev. 17:10) could be the 1st beast (Rev. 13:1). Could the verse read, "the 8th beast is of the 7th" and not "the 8th beast is of the 7"? After all, that 7th beast continues a short space; like 3.5 years?
If the above is correct then this places the fall of Babylon at the mid-point and the second beast rising at Rev. 6:8. In that verse we should see the rider of the pale horse "as an image" (of the rider of the red horse). Just a thought. That is, in verse 6:8 the rider of the pale horse is the image of the beast that is created by the one that follows that is the beast of Rev. 13:11. In other words, the rider of the red horse (Rev. 6:4) is alive; however, as the rider of the pale horse he is only an image created by the one that is following (Rev. 6:8) that is the beast of Rev. 13:11.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 11, 2020 8:36:43 GMT -6
Next I am going to work on the relationship between Chapters 8 and 16. As I consider the previous chapter comparisons it is difficult to categorize the relationships. For example, the relationship between Chapters 4 and 12 should be what? In Chapter 4 the saints are called up and then they give their crowns of support to Christ. However, Chapter 12 shows the beast trying to prevent the aforementioned rapture followed by the beast being crushed in a type and shadow relationship to a war in heaven. After that a second beast that is called the mouth takes the reigns to continue the pursuit of saints. I suppose this can be summed up as follows:
1) the great sign (Rev. 12:1-2)
2) the beast tries to prevent the rapture (Rev. 12:3-4)
3) the rapture (Rev. 4, 12:5-6)
4) the beast is destroyed (Rev. 12:7-12)
5) a second beast continues the pursuit of saints. (Rev. 12:13-17)
In the above scenario it is easy why Chapter 12 lists the rapture twice. The 1st reference pertains to the rapture in relationship to the 1st beast (Rev. 12:5-6), and the 2nd reference pertains to the rapture in relationship to the 2nd beast (Rev. 12:14).
So I guess Chapter 4 is about the rapture and Chapter 12 is about the rapture in relationship to the two beasts. Thus, the categorization for Chapters 4 and 12 is: the rapture and it's relationship to the two beasts.
Okay, Chapters 5 and 13 are categorized (IMO) as: The Father and Son in contrast to the two beasts as the father and son.
Chapters 6 and 14 are (IMO) categorized as: A summary of the two beasts attack upon the world and God's response.
Chapters 7 and 15 are (IMO) categorized as: The call of God's army and the beast is destroyed.
And this brings us to Chapters 8 and 16 that is the destruction of the 1st beast. Chapter 8 is quite clear that the four trumpets go together followed by the remaining three trumpets that are called the three woes. Thus, Chapter 16 in relationship to Chapter 8 is the four bowls followed by the remaining three bowls. The overlay of the two chapters is as follows:
1) preparation for the war against the beast (Rev. 8:1-6, 16:1)
2) the attack upon the beast (Rev. 8:7-12, 16:2-9)
3) the three woes yet to come (Rev. 8:13, 16:10-21)
From the above information the relevant verses to the attack wherein the beast is put down are:
1) Rev. 8:7, 16:2
2) Rev. 8:8-9, 16:3
3) Rev. 8:10-11, 16:4-7
4) Rev. 8:12, 16:8-9
1) Please notice in the 1st set of verses that a grievous sore is upon those who followed the earth beast that is the beast of Rev. 13:11.
2) The 2nd set pertains to the sea and the beast thereof that is the beast of Rev. 13:1. Here we see the actual fall of the beast that is the "great mountain" that is the great and wicked kingdom (the 8th, Rev. 17:11).
3) The third set pertains to the actual attack from the army of God. Interestingly, the army is called Wormwood and I can only guess that John chose that word to seal the information as completely as possible. This is evidenced that a third of the waters (followers of God) became wormwood (became the army of God). Secondly, many died of the waters (many died because of the followers of God) because they, the army of God, became bitter, as in, they attacked.
4) The last set shows the sun that is Christ inflicting heat and pressure to cause mankind to repent.
Please note that all the above is IMO.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 11, 2020 20:25:24 GMT -6
Okay, the next two chapters for my comparison analysis are 9 and 17. Can you believe that? It means that if I am correct then Babylon falls in Chapter 9 just as it does in Chapter 17. Wow! This is exciting because I have never considered that Babylon could fall in Chapter 9. However, if I can provide evidence to that affect, then my claim may very well be correct. Please keep in mind that trumpets as denoted in Rev. 9:1 and Rev. 9:13 are actions of God; therefore, Chapter 9 is an action of God Chapter.
I started with the riddle at Rev. 17:8 as the center of Chapter 17 but soon discovered that I was wrong and it was Rev. 17:9 that is the center. This means that Rev. 9:12 is the counterpart center and emphasis of Chapter 9. Thus, it became clear to me that I had to begin with the chapter chiasmi to align and answer some questions about these two chapters.
Please notice in the Chapter 9 chiasmus below that "the bottomless pit" in Rev. 9:1 correlates to "the rest of mankind" in Rev. 9:20-21. This supports that "the bottomless pit" is "the sea of mankind." Understanding this is important when in Rev. 9:2 a smoke arose from the bottomless pit (that is the sea of mankind) "like the smoke of the great furnace" (that is Christ). Again, keep in mind that this chapter is an action of God chapter; thus, God is causing the action of the smoke rising. So basically, God has allowed the smoke that is the 2nd beast to rise from the sea of mankind to burn away the dross of sin in the lives of mankind.
Again: in Rev. 9:2 a smoke rose and that smoke was like the smoke of Christ. As in, the smoke (that is the 2nd beast) is working for God. Remember, Chapter 9 is an action of God Chapter. Thus, Christ is the one doing the action causing the smoke to rise.
Again: in Rev. 9:2 the smoke that is the 2nd beast is from the sea of mankind and this is the beast of the earth (Rev. 13:11) that arose like a Lamb but spoke as a dragon.
That is, the Great Furnace that is Christ (Gen. 15:17) who smelts away the dross of sin through the heat of affliction in our lives is in Rev. 9:2 allowing the 2nd beast to cause a heat of affliction, evidenced via smoke.
So I am trying to make this point very clear, that the act of the beast rising in Chapter 9 is from God. Thus, it is like the beast in God's hand causing affection upon the earth "like the smoke of the Great Furnace" smelting away the dross of sin (Isa. 18:4).
Next, please notice that "from the smoke (that is the 2nd beast) came the locusts (that are his armies)" and this correlates to "those that rode" the horses in the second half of the chapter. Thus, smoke is to horses as locusts is to those that rode; meaning, that the beast's armies are the riders of the horses. This supports that Chapter 9 is about a military movement here upon the earth. Side note: the power of engines is traditionally measured in horses; horsepower. Thus, military mobility is referenced here in Chapter 9 as horses.
Third, please notice that "the angel of the bottomless pit" that is the angel of mankind is the king over the beast's armies. This angel is Satan (that is the star fallen) having the key to mankind in Rev. 9:1. And, as previously referenced, the beast is an instrument in God's hand and this supports that the four angels in Rev. 9:13-15 are the armies of the beast. I had always thought that these were the armies of God, and they are in a way; although, they appear to be the beast's armies serving God.
This brings us to the CENTER and emphasis of Chapter 9 that is the transition from the 1st woe to the 2nd woe. Or, better put, Rev. 9:12 transitions from the action of God via the 2nd beast to the action of God via the 2nd beast and others. In this case the others are the four angels as referenced in Rev. 9:13-15 and when compared to Chapter 17 then these others are the kings of Rev. 17:12-13, 16-17 (IMO).
Thus, in the first half of Chapter 9 the 1st woe is wrought upon mankind via the 2nd beast that is allowed to fulfill God's purpose. The relationship of the first half of Chapter 9 to the first half of Chapter 17 is that Babylon is upon the beast. Thus, in the first half of Chapter 9 Babylon is upon the beast and we are told that this period of time is five months.
Rev. 9
"1 And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.
2-5 He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.
7-11 In appearance the locusts were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, their hair like women’s hair, and their teeth like lions’ teeth; they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. They have tails and stings like scorpions, and their power to hurt people for five months is in their tails. They have a king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.
12 CENTER The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come.
13-15 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, were released to kill a third of mankind.
16-19 The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number. And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of apphire and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths. For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents with heads, and by means of them they wound.
20-21 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts."
Rev. 17
1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters,
2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.”
3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on ea scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and git had seven heads and ten horns.
4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality.
5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: l“Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.”
6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly.
7 But the angel said to me, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her.
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction. And the dwellers on earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will marvel to see the beast, because pit was and is not and is to come.
9-10 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.
11 As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.
12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast.
13 These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast.
14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”
15 And the angel said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages.
16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire,
17 for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
Okay, I put the nail in the coffin because at the center position in Chapter 17 the woman is seated upon the beast. This means that after the 1st woe in Chapter 9 the woman is still upon the beast. Thus, the second woe (Rev. 9:13-21) is the fall of Babylon as described in the second half of Chapter 17.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 12, 2020 16:13:06 GMT -6
Next is the association between Chapters 10 and 18 and since 18 is the aftermath of Babylon's destruction (in Chapter 17), then Chapter 10 is the aftermath of Babylon's destruction (in Chapter 9). (IMO)
Thus, the angel in Chapter 18 is the angel of Chapter 10. I never knew that Chapter 10 was so somber.
Please consider the relationship of these two chapters in their chiasmus forms as follows:
Rev. 18
1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was made bright with his glory.
2-3 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast. For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
5-10 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double portion for her bin the cup she mixed. As she glorified herself and lived in luxury, so give her a like measure of torment and mourning, since in her heart she says, I sit as a queen, I am no widow, and mourning I shall never see. For this reason her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who has judged her.” And the kings of the earth, who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke of her burning. They will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, “Alas! Alas! You great city, you mighty city, Babylon! For in a single hour your judgment has come.”
11-13 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo anymore, cargo of gold, silver, jewels, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, scarlet cloth, all kinds of scented wood, all kinds of articles of ivory, all kinds of articles of costly wood, bronze, iron and marble, cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls.
CENTER 14 “The fruit for which your soul longed has gone from you, and all your delicacies and your splendors are lost to you, never to be found again!”
15-16 The merchants of these wares, who gained wealth from her, will stand far off, in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning aloud, “Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!
17-19 For in a single hour all this wealth has been laid waste.” And tall shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, “What city was like the great city?” And they threw dust on their heads as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth! For in a single hour she has been laid waste.
20 Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!”
21-23 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more; and the sound of harpists and musicians, of flute players and trumpeters, will be heard in you no more, and a craftsman of any craft will be found in you no more, and the sound of the mill will be heard in you no more, and the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.”
Rev. 10
1 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow over his head, and his face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire.
2-3 He had a little scroll open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea, and his left foot on the land, and called out with a loud voice, like a lion roaring. When he called out, the seven thunders sounded.
4 And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.”
5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven
CENTER 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,
7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me again, saying, “Go, take the scroll that is open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”
9-10 So I went to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me, “Take and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it. It was sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter.
11 And I was told, “You must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and languages and kings.”
Chapter 10 is (in my opinion) the hardest chapter in the Book of Revelation. It has a type and shadow relationship from Chapter 5 to Chapter 10 and this is evidenced in part by the shared language at Rev. 5:13 and Rev. 10:6. In other words, the type that is Chapter 5 is about God having the scroll (Rev. 5:1) and giving it to Jesus (Rev. 5:7) who then gave it to the angel to give to John (Rev. 1:1). We see this type played out here in Chapter 10 and we must ask ourselves about the shadow that is represented in the type. As shadows go, they have a connection to the type in a historical repeat of the previous events. Thus, Chapter 10 is about God giving to Jesus who then gives to the angel to give to John. So, what is God giving to Jesus? What is Jesus giving to the angel? What is the angel giving to John? Lastly, what is John giving to us?
This means that the little scroll in Chapter 10 is not actually a scroll like that of Chapter 5 but something with similarities. That of course would be the fulfillment of the Chapter 5 scroll including the fulfillment of the seven seals associated with that scroll. Thus, here in Chapter 10, the seven thunders (Rev. 10:2-4) are the fulfillment of the seven seals (Rev. 5:5) in a type and shadow relationship (IMO). This means that at Chapter 10 all the 7 seals have been fulfilled. This is quite easy to see because the four horsemen are the 1st four seals and this includes the rise of the beast (Rev. 13:1), the gathering of the 144,000 (Rev. 14:1), and the rise of the 2nd beast (Rev. 13:11). Then we have the fifth seal that is the saints under the altar which are those not included in the rapture wherein the beast pursues (Rev. 12:15-17) and makes war with (Rev. 13:7) the saints of God. Please notice that the sealed saints of the rapture that took place prior to this time are protected (Rev. 9:4) but the other saints are not.
Last and most importantly is that Babylon has fallen at the hand of the 2nd beast (Rev. 13:12-17); and this must be the 6th seal at Rev. 6:12-17. Consequently, the assembly of saints as shown in Chapter 7 (not the sealing of the 144,000 but the greater gathering) that also has an association to the 7th seal at Rev. 8:1, has been fulfilled prior to Chapters 10 and 18. Thus, the seven thunders (Rev. 10:3-4) are an accounting that pertains to the fulfillment of the Chapter 5 seven seals as represented at (Rev. 5:5-6). That is, the seven seals that are sent unto all the earth (vv. 5:5-6) are accounted for via the seven thunders here in Chapter 10 at Rev. 10:2-4.
Since all the 7 seals have been fulfilled prior to Chapter 10, evidenced by the seven thunders announcing that fulfillment (IMO); then, Babylon has fallen prior to Chapter 10 as I have previously explained that is the 2nd woe of Chapters 9 and 17. This means that everything pertaining to the 7 seals including the fall of Babylon has been done prior to Chapters 10 and 18 and there is "no more delay" (Rev. 10:6) and this announcement is associated with the beginning of the sounding of the 7th angel (Rev. 10:7).
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Post by boraddict on Aug 13, 2020 14:05:21 GMT -6
The Book of Revelation is the book that keeps on giving. So I am at the end of my analysis involving the two halves of the book as two separate chiasmi. I guess that I see it this way because the pattern involved is not derived from the chiasmus for the book. For example, take a look at the following chiasmus (in chapters) that is consistent with two separate chiasmi as follows:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
Now as two separate chiasmi:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
As you can see, the original chiasmus reduced to two smaller chiasmi is still saying the same thing. Although, this time, for example, the link from 16 goes to 18 whereas before 16 was linked to 7. So basically the chiasmi are like combination locks; I just keep trying the different combinations to unlock the information in the book.
In this, my latest research endeavor, I have paired up the following two chiasmi:
4 & 12
5 & 13
6 & 14
7 & 15
8 & 16
9 & 17
10 & 18
11 & 19
Please notice that the first leg of the chiamus that is 4-7 and 12-15 is the seals and "the angels of Chapter 14", whereas the second leg of the chiasmus that is 8-11 and 16-19 is the trumpets and the bowls. Interestingly, the center chapters tend to cross over rendering the following sets: seals (4-8), "angels of Ch. 14" (12-15), trumpets (8-11), bowls (15-19).
I do not know if the above information means anything but it is interesting to me. That which does mean something is the story that is being told twice, once as seals and trumpets (4-11) and once as angels of Ch. 14 and bowls (12-19).
So on to the last set of chapters that is 11 and 19. These are perhaps the easiest of all the chapters of the book and relatively straight forward (IMO). We have the temple as referenced in Rev. 11:1-2 that parallels the temple at Rev. 11:19. Conversely, we have the judgment upon Babylon as referenced at Rev. 19:1-2 that parallels the judgment upon the beast at Rev. 19:20-21. See what I mean? Simple, simple, simple!
So basically these two chapters are saying, "Like Babylon's destruction is the beast's destruction." In fact, this is what is said during the aftermath of Babylon's fall at Rev. 18:21. "Then a mighty angel took up a stone (the 2nd beast) like a great millstone (the 1st beast) and threw (destroyed) it into the sea (of mankind), saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence,
and will be found no more;"
That is, the angel took the 2nd beast and destroyed him as Babylon was destroyed with violence (Rev. 19:20-21), and that is what Chapters 11 and 19 are all about.
This concludes my comparative analysis of the two sets of chiasmi as referenced above.
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Post by boraddict on Aug 14, 2020 13:46:37 GMT -6
There are several speakers in the Book of Revelation and locating these speakers can be a fun exercise. For example, the speakers in Chapter 1 are:
John (Rev. 1:1-7),
Jesus (Rev. 1:8),
John again (Rev. 1:9-11),
Jesus again (Rev. 1:11),
John for a third time (Rev. 1:12-17),
and lastly Jesus for a third time (Rev. 1:17-20).
The speaker for Chapters 2 and 3 is the Savior.
The speakers for Chapter 4 are:
John (Rev. 4:1)
Jesus (Rev. 4:1)
John again (Rev. 4:2-8)
the four beasts (Rev. 4:8)
John again (Rev. 4:9-10)
the twenty four elders (Rev. 4:11)
The speakers of Chapter 5 are:
John (Rev. 5:1-2)
the angel with a strong voice (Rev. 5:2)
John again (Rev. 5:3-5)
an elder (Rev. 5:5)
John for a third time (Rev. 5:6-9)
the four beasts and twenty four elders (Rev. 5:9-10)
John for a fourth time (Rev. 5:11-12)
many angels, the beasts, and the elders (Rev. 5:12)
John for a fifth time (Rev. 5:13)
every creature (Rev. 5:13)
John (Rev. 5:14)
the four beast and the twenty four angels (Rev. 5:14)
Chapter 19 is turning out to be a lot of work. I have removed the references to John's comments to show where the chiasmus center ends up.
(Rev. 19:1-3) "... the loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, crying out, "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for his judgments are true and just; for he has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her immorality, and has avenged on her the blood of his servants." Once more they cried out, “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up forever and ever."
(Rev. 19:4) "... the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who was seated on the throne, saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!"
(Rev. 19:5) "And from the throne came a voice saying, "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, small and great."
(Rev. 19:6-7) "Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
(Rev. 19:9) And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”
(Rev. 19:10) "Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(Rev. 19:17-18) "Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great."
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Post by boraddict on Aug 18, 2020 21:37:22 GMT -6
I'm always wondering what else I might find in the Book of Revelation.
One time I was listening to a rebroadcast of Dr. McGee's radio show and he said that he could prove that John Chapter 1 was added after the body of that book had been written. So naturally I wondered if John had added Rev. Chapter 1 after the body of Revelation had been written.
I love how John wrote that he was the writer of the other book (The Gospel According to John) wherein he referenced at Rev. 1:2 the beginning of that book, and then the ending of that book, and everything in between.
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That is so funny. So it is that this list of liars link themselves to the Savior by counting their number in reference to his life upon the earth that is the number 400. Thus, the first one would be 401, and the second 402 and so forth until the current one that is 666. They simply do not add the 400 to the count like John did.