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Post by Gary on Oct 4, 2018 23:31:35 GMT -6
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2018 8:16:16 GMT -6
Very interesting.
It's supposed to be cloudy and rainy here, but if it clears off we plan on driving out of town to see if we can see any.
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2018 9:24:47 GMT -6
Quite interesting historical observations. I suppose I will try to view this Monday night instead of football. Miss seeing brad around here too! Great job collaborating |
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 5, 2018 19:33:36 GMT -6
for anyone that happens to encounter cloudy skies, here is a link to a website that shows real-time meteor hits. It seems to be more active now that I've seen in a long time. I can't wait to see it peak!
Here is another site that you can listen to meteors hitting the atmosphere.
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Post by sawdy on Oct 5, 2018 22:13:55 GMT -6
My kids enjoyed watching meteors tonight as we drove home from town. Saw enough falling to keep them occupied.
Would've stayed outside in the car watching longer if my 12 year old boy hadn't let out a stink bomb in the backseat as we turned into the driveway.😝
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 6:08:19 GMT -6
My kids enjoyed watching meteors tonight as we drove home from town. Saw enough falling to keep them occupied. Would've stayed outside in the car watching longer if my 12 year old boy hadn't let out a stink bomb in the backseat as we turned into the driveway.😝 Lolol...that story took a turn that I was not expecting. |
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Post by venge on Oct 6, 2018 15:35:34 GMT -6
Forgive me but I don't see it. The following was posted to the topic:
It is true that a 7 headed dragon is identified. But never is it identified with a zodiac symbol. Instead, it is identified with rising from the sea, not outer space.
Then we look at Dan 7:23
Not a zodiac. But wait Venge, your missing something. Yep, but I'm not too late. Your dragon is a past dragon and not the future dragon. That's because yours is:
Once the heads are all wounded and the dragon was slain, it went into the bottomless pit. When the beast rises again in the future, the crowns are no longer on its heads because its heads only hold the name of blasphemy.
Your dragon is not a zodiac but a past dragon that is no longer. It no longer exists and therefore you cannot see it because it is in the bottomless pit. Scripture doesn't point us to the zodiac for a dragon. It is very specific on what the dragon was and where it went. When it was slain, it allowed peace on the earth and the recreation of Israel.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with the zodiac of a dragon as a scriptural reference.
I should add: as an EDIT:
If you're looking for a sign in heaven as outer space, what about Rev 15?
In heaven a sign! I haven't seen anyone post about looking into outer space on this sign IN heaven?
Where is this in the zodiac?
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Post by Natalie on Oct 6, 2018 17:37:46 GMT -6
Maybe someone else can explain it to you because I know I have already tried. Revelation 12 talks of two signs in the heavens. Literal signs... physical signs. One happened last Sept and the other is still to come. ETA there is a post about the sign in Rev 15. If I linked it right, the discussion starts here: board.unsealed.org/post/23797/thread and shows a couple ideas for that sign. |
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Post by venge on Oct 6, 2018 19:11:55 GMT -6
Maybe someone else can explain it to you because I know I have already tried. Revelation 12 talks of two signs in the heavens. Literal signs... physical signs. One happened last Sept and the other is still to come. ETA there is a post about the sign in Rev 15. If I linked it right, the discussion starts here: board.unsealed.org/post/23797/thread and shows a couple ideas for that sign. How would the dragon be a literal cosmic sign if it were in the bottomless pit? The literal sign would have happened before or when Christ was born. As that was only the 6th head. After then 7th it went into the pit. If you believe the zodiac sign, the only rationale is that it’s out of the pit. If you suggest that, then we are in Daniels final week. There cannot be any other way to look at it scripturally from your standpoint |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 6, 2018 19:24:38 GMT -6
I don't know where you get that the dragon is in the bottomless pit now.
Revelation 12:7-9 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
The sign in the heaven is a physical sign of this spiritual war. Satan, the dragon, is not thrown into the bottomless pit until the end of Daniel's final week. He's there for 1000 years, the Millennial reign of Christ.
After the Second Coming...
Rev 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over …
It doesn't make sense to say Satan is in the pit right now.
He's the accuser of the brethren Rev 12:10.
James 4:7 “Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.”
He's the god of this age 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 and the prince of the power of the air Ephesians 2:2.
1 Peter 5:8-9 “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
2 Cor. 11:14-15 “And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.”
Eph. 6:11-13: “Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 7, 2018 0:21:11 GMT -6
1 Peter 5:8-9 “ Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. 2 Cor. 11:14-15 “And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.”Eph. 6:11-13: “ Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”If the signs are to be believed for what they are, as I think many do, then after this meteor shower that is about to happen in a couple of nights, the next event to happen specifically for us is the second part of verse 4.
"and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."
Satan's attention is being focused on us. We must be ready for anything right now!
Maranatha!
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Post by venge on Oct 7, 2018 10:51:42 GMT -6
I don't know where you get that the dragon is in the bottomless pit now. Revelation 12:7-9 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
The sign in the heaven is a physical sign of this spiritual war. Satan, the dragon, is not thrown into the bottomless pit until the end of Daniel's final week. He's there for 1000 years, the Millennial reign of Christ. After the Second Coming... Rev 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over …It doesn't make sense to say Satan is in the pit right now. He's the accuser of the brethren Rev 12:10. James 4:7 “Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.” He's the god of this age 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 and the prince of the power of the air Ephesians 2:2. 1 Peter 5:8-9 “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. 2 Cor. 11:14-15 “And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” Eph. 6:11-13: “Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.” I will try to answer your questions in order: 1. I don't know where you get that the dragon is in the bottomless pit now.
Revelation 11:7 says, And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The beast is the return of the dragon with 7 heads yet one of its heads was wounded and comes back as the 8th. This beast was cast into the bottomless pit and once the 8th head returns, the beast/dragon comes out of the bottomless pit. Revelation 17:8 says, The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,.....
The beast being that 4th kingdom is part of the dragon. As we are each members (not membership but arms, legs, mouths, etc.) of the body of Christ the heads are members of the dragon. 2. The sign in the heaven is a physical sign of this spiritual war. Satan, the dragon, is not thrown into the bottomless pit until the end of Daniel's final week. He's there for 1000 years, the Millennial reign of Christ.It is some peoples interpretation that the sign in heaven is a literal cosmic sign but I don't see this as definitive. You are correct stating it is in regards to spiritual war. I agree 100%. You are also correct that the dragon is thrown into the pit at the end of the 70th week. No disagreement there either. I am not saying Satan is in the pit right now as I am saying the dragon was in the pit. If you separate the heads of a beast, where does it go? I think the disagreement you are making is Lucifer vs an Adversary. As there are many devils. Look at Psalm 73:13 The 7 heads of the dragon. Or Isaiah 27:1 That is why the beast returns and rises out of the sea. I am trying to understand your view point and I cannot see it scripturally. I don't see God using the zodiac, as a means to the scripture. I wish I could comprehend your belief so that I could even understand the yes and no aspect of it but honestly I don't see it. |
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Post by venge on Oct 7, 2018 10:53:06 GMT -6
1 Peter 5:8-9 “ Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. 2 Cor. 11:14-15 “And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.”Eph. 6:11-13: “ Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.”If the signs are to be believed for what they are, as I think many do, then after this meteor shower that is about to happen in a couple of nights, the next event to happen specifically for us is the second part of verse 4.
"and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."
Satan's attention is being focused on us. We must be ready for anything right now!
Maranatha!
Hello SK, Who do you see the child as? |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 7, 2018 12:35:28 GMT -6
I think you cannot see it Scripturally because you have the dragon and the beast being equal. The beast may be part of the dragon, but the beast is in the pit and the dragon is not. The dragon will fight in a war with Michael and be cast down to the earth. The dragon does not come out of the pit. And the Bible says that the dragon is Satan.
Revelation 12:7-9 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
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Post by kathy on Oct 7, 2018 14:27:01 GMT -6
Just slightly off topic, but related. I was interested to learn that tropical storm 14 is expected to turn into tropical storm or possibly hurricane Michael and make landfall on Wednesday. It reminded me right away of Daniel 12:1. And at that time shall Michael stand up...and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was...and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Just seems to be another sign of where we are on the timeline of events or just another coincidence!
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