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Post by nana on Oct 8, 2018 9:27:28 GMT -6
In the simplest of terms we are told "the heavens declare the glory of God".
If this were not so we would have never been told this.
Pro 25:2-It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 8, 2018 10:46:09 GMT -6
For what it's worth, venge, you were the guide in my search to find an answer for you, in that I also found an answer for myself that I have been asking God. Why have I always just barely gotten by? It seems such frustrating existence to see those around me brag and blather about how much they make and spend and my bank account always hovers over "0" just before payday. Then in searching the scripture you posted about the locust, I read the whole chapter to get context and lo and behold, this jumped out and smacked me in the face:
"Two things I ask of You—
do not refuse me before I die:
8Keep falsehood and deceitful words far from me.
Give me neither poverty nor riches;
feed me with the bread that is my portion.
9Otherwise, I may have too much
and deny You, saying, “Who is the LORD?”
Or I may become poor and steal,
profaning the name of my God." Proverbs 30:7-9
Thank you, venge. And I mean that sincerely! |
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Post by nana on Oct 8, 2018 11:30:21 GMT -6
This has kept me grounded for many years. Anything and everything I have is on loan from God because he owns it all.
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Mark 8:36- For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
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1 Timothy 6:10- For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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Matthew 19:24- And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mark 10:25- It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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Luke 16: 19-26
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
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Luke 12:48-But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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Matthew 6:20-But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 8, 2018 13:56:00 GMT -6
Thank you nana. Definitely good verses to keep one grounded!
on the subject of the OP. Those two websites that I posted, one a visual graphic of incoming meteors, and the other an audio version of the same, both became "temporarily unavailable" sometime yesterday. I find that very odd as I've never seen either site down, let alone at the same time. Very curious.
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Post by Natalie on Oct 8, 2018 14:50:14 GMT -6
ok...for vengeGetting this from my mind to words has been difficult. I'm not sure if I can clearly explain what I think, but I am going to try. The Bible teaches that the Father knows the day of Jesus' return. He always has. He has given believers clues (prophecy) as to what the world will be like as we near that Day. He knew what the political climate would be (Ezekiel 38), the conditions of the earth (Matt 24, 2 Tim 3:1-5, 4:3-4), the re-establishment of Israel in 1948, etc. I think everything is pointing to His return in our lifetimes, but even more so, the very near future. I think it always would have been this time period, but God in His goodness encouraged believers down through history to always be ready. It would encourage holy living, perseverance under persecution, evangelism. Someone named it the doctrine of imminence even though the day of His return was far off. People couldn't see that. For example, how could Jesus return while Israel was still dispersed? However, in these last days, He has allowed us to have technological advances so that we are able to see signs in the heavens, we can measure earthquakes and their locations, watch hurricanes, see the severe weather happening around the globe, monitor countries and their alliances, and so on. We still do not know the day, but we see the signs of His Second Coming and the rapture happens before that. So the rapture is imminent, it's just more imminent than it was 100 years ago.  |
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Post by venge on Oct 8, 2018 16:19:00 GMT -6
For what it's worth, venge , you were the guide in my search to find an answer for you, in that I also found an answer for myself that I have been asking God. Why have I always just barely gotten by? It seems such frustrating existence to see those around me brag and blather about how much they make and spend and my bank account always hovers over "0" just before payday. Then in searching the scripture you posted about the locust, I read the whole chapter to get context and lo and behold, this jumped out and smacked me in the face:
"Two things I ask of You—
do not refuse me before I die:
8Keep falsehood and deceitful words far from me.
Give me neither poverty nor riches;
feed me with the bread that is my portion.
9Otherwise, I may have too much
and deny You, saying, “Who is the LORD?”
Or I may become poor and steal,
profaning the name of my God." Proverbs 30:7-9
Thank you, venge . And I mean that sincerely! I came across that same passage that I had a question about 2 months back. My question was how do I succeed so that I know I don't take on too much of the world. For me, that passage answered my question. 1. Loose lips sink ships. 2. Study to show myself approved but don't go digging for added treasure in the sandbox outside 3. Keep me content; that whether I be rich or poor I can honor Him over the world. 4. Show love in all things |
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Post by venge on Oct 8, 2018 16:29:54 GMT -6
ok...for venge Getting this from my mind to words has been difficult. I'm not sure if I can clearly explain what I think, but I am going to try. The Bible teaches that the Father knows the day of Jesus' return. He always has. He has given believers clues (prophecy) as to what the world will be like as we near that Day. He knew what the political climate would be (Ezekiel 38), the conditions of the earth (Matt 24, 2 Tim 3:1-5, 4:3-4), the re-establishment of Israel in 1948, etc. I think everything is pointing to His return in our lifetimes, but even more so, the very near future. I think it always would have been this time period, but God in His goodness encouraged believers down through history to always be ready. It would encourage holy living, perseverance under persecution, evangelism. Someone named it the doctrine of imminence even though the day of His return was far off. People couldn't see that. For example, how could Jesus return while Israel was still dispersed? However, in these last days, He has allowed us to have technological advances so that we are able to see signs in the heavens, we can measure earthquakes and their locations, watch hurricanes, see the severe weather happening around the globe, monitor countries and their alliances, and so on. We still do not know the day, but we see the signs of His Second Coming and the rapture happens before that. So the rapture is imminent, it's just more imminent than it was 100 years ago. I'm not gonna reply about the imminency Natalie only because I don't want to change the subject from the OP. But I will get back to you on this on a proper thread!! I agree there are signs before his second coming, but I take these signs as in the world. Signs between light and darkness, signs of love vs hatred, signs of righteousness vs wickedness. I even take them as signs of people, wars, battles, cities, religion and such.... Let me ask this: If the Sept 2017 zodiac event is legit, what do you think follows? When does it follow, where is it found, what scripture shows this.... I have already seen dates put forth on websites, most were in 2017 and all failed to come true. The owners expanded on future dates into 2018 which also did not come true. What do you think about your own conclusions for what comes next? |
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Post by mike on Oct 8, 2018 17:07:35 GMT -6
Hey brother I'm gonna jump in on this one 😉 For me - God woke me up! I was walking my own way, after my own devices, not Godly by any stretch. I now realize what wretch I am without Him. When he showed me the sign & I remembered how Jesus saves. I got saved in '94 but in 2002 walked away and spent 14 yrs apart from Him. When I wasn't looking for He very clear showed me the end was very close. My life changed, my thinking began to change, the scales on my eyes fell off and I COULD SEE! I realized that if He could continuously forgive Israel, He could forgive me too. I began to read and pray, not because I had to, I wanted to. And if for some reason I missed a day reading instead of beating myself up over it, I remembered that He knows what a wretch I am and that HIS GRACE IS SUFFIENT FOR ME! HIS MERCIES ARE NEW EVERY MORNING! I started to learn and see signs EVERYWHERE. I was sold! I wanted Him to return and while I would have to wait until at least 9/23 when the Great Sign would be revealed in the heavens over Jerusalem. This is why I believe brothers and sisters, to be caught up with you all to meet our Savior in the air! So yeah I was extremely hopeful and expectant that we would be gone on that day. Then I found this site where people genuinely believe our Savior is at the threshold HES COMING AGAIN - HALLELUJAH BROTHER! Did I believe a sign in the heavens? Yes the one that perfectly matches two times in human history. Sometime around the fall of man and last September. This precisenss, aligning with one of the greatest events in human history, why wouldn't I hope it was special. It was special. It got me back to where I belong. EDIT 10/9 - 4:36PM - here is an article Gary wrote on the Unsealed page back before the sign occurred. |
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Post by mike on Oct 8, 2018 17:10:03 GMT -6
And Venge 2 things.
I'm not yelling at you, I'm excited about His love for me and for us!
Stop calling it The zodiac sign. First the Great Sign is not a "zodiac" sign. Last it's called Mazzeroth, the Hebrews followed this as signs of season. I know there's some info on here about that. If anyone knows please link it or PM me with it 😁
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 8, 2018 19:28:30 GMT -6
However, in these last days, He has allowed us to have technological advances so that we are able to see signs in the heavens, we can measure earthquakes and their locations, watch hurricanes, see the severe weather happening around the globe, monitor countries and their alliances, and so on. We still do not know the day, but we see the signs of His Second Coming and the rapture happens before that. So the rapture is imminent, it's just more imminent than it was 100 years ago. This is something I find amazing, @natalie. As tech gadgets and software are usually so expensive now days, the software Stellarium is FREE! It's not a large program, so it doesn't take up much space on a computer and it is relatively easy to use. Anyone with the even the slightest ability to use a computer can learn to use it. So it's like anyone who heard about the Great Sign last year had the resources to check it out for themselves. Not only that, but to check out other signs as well! The star of Bethlehem at Jesus' birth, or Jupiter, the King Star, as it retrograded back and forth in Gemini during Jesus' final years and eventual crucifixion, after which it exited the constellation(that one blew my mind), and on and on. Just like having a Bible on hand, or having a many, if you have access to the internet, all the resources we need have been given into our hands. I can just imagine some day in the future, being asked how we got to be kings and priests, how did we know our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ was coming, and we will be able to tell them, 'it was all here, available to all.'
I know I've always had this 'something' in the back of my mind that this world is just not enough, there had to be something better. And like you, mike, even though I was baptized back in '91, I got sidetracked. That is until sometime in the year prior to Sept. 23, 2017. I had been 'looking for something', and that was when He showed me the Great Sign, through one of Scott Clarke's videos. He had my attention then... |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 8, 2018 19:48:05 GMT -6
We drove outside of town and laid on the soggy ground to watch the show. It was worth it. We saw around 25 in a 30 min period. My two boys are sitting on our deck and have been able to see a few. Most were small and quick, but we could see them.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 8, 2018 20:07:03 GMT -6
... Psalm 19:1-2 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims His handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. Amos 5:8 He who made the Pleiades and Orion
and turns deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the surface of the earth, the LORD is His name. Job 38:31-32 Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades
or loose the cords of Orion? Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children? And He made the stars, the constellations, the sun, and the moon to be signs. Yes, for the seasons, counting of months, but also for signs of His First Coming and His Second Coming. The Magi saw and followed His star. They studied astronomy and knew something was different about this Star. Most of us here read Rev 12:1-2 and we see a sign described as occurring using the sun, moon, and stars. A physical sign using the constellations that God created. A sign just as He said. “Luke 21:25 And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars”. Rev 12:1 "...a woman clothed with the sun, with moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." I believe people don't see the signs or don't talk about it because “astrology” is the first word that gets thrown at them. And there is a lack of knowledge. I personally have not said anything to anyone other than my husband and a couple of others because I go to a church that knows and preaches that we are in the end times. They are telling people to wake up and look around because Jesus is coming soon. What makes Rev 12:3-4 more difficult is that it's more vague. But verse 4 sounds very much like a meteor shower. Meteors that might cause fire on earth, like the examples Gary shared in his article. And this meteor shower could be a large one that happens to originate in the Dragon constellation. It makes those who are watching take notice. Yes, it is also a picture of the past...of Jesus being born, Satan trying to destroy Him (through Herod), and His ascension. But there is much more to it than that. God created the heavens, the constellations, their orbits, and He created signs to show that Jesus is returning soon. I believe that Rev 12:1-2 was last Sept. It's a sign that Jesus is coming soon. The second sign, if it is this meteor shower, represents the war in heaven and Satan being cast to the earth. The next is the birth of the child who is also described in Rev 2:25-27a "Only hold fast what you have until I come. The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron..." The child is the church, the body of Christ, who will be caught up at the time of the rapture. We will rule with Christ; He has the rod of iron, but so does His Body. Ok, just read what you wrote. I also appreciate you working with me. You had mentioned, You see this as a physical thing in the sky? I see it as describing the past only.From my notes: The imagery of a women clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet can be confusing, but Genesis clears this up when Joseph has a similar dream. It says, Joseph's dream mirrors the opening of Rev 12:1. In his dream, his father, mother and 11 brothers honor him greatly. This comes to pass when Joseph is made second to pharaoh. Here, the sun is referred to as his father and the moon as his mother. The 11 stars are his brothers. Likewise, with himself they are the 12 tribes of Israel. Some commentators such as Matthew Henry, Benson and Ellicott have said this represents the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ and the women is the Christian church. Other commentators such as Jamieson-Fausset-Brown and Meyer have it correct. For Romans 9:5 states: The great wonder in heaven is the creation of the wom n; namely Israel. She is clothed with the sun and moon under her feet because her father is God and he watches over her. His light as a sun is radiant and full of righteousness. The moon's light is dim and submits to the sun. It sits under her feet because dim light in darkness is not what God intended. God's light will brighten the world 24/7 where spiritual darkness never reigns.
The crown of 12 stars that she wears is the 12 tribes of Israel. Just as the 11 stars and Joseph himself being a 12th in his dream would form this nation in later years.
The verses you gave prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God made the heavens. I don't disagree. How could anyone disagree when God in Genesis made the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void.
But my issue is that it doesn't show we are to look to those things for understanding. They are for us to understand seasons and times on planet earth. I don't see it saying we are to look at a constellation to understand prophecy. That is why I linked that commentator who said
I am trying to tread carefully.
Lastly, you mentioned it is a sign Jesus is coming again. I was under the impression that Pre Trib followed imminency and therefore because he can come at any time, you don't look for a specific time period. If you see this sign in the heavens back in Sept 2017 as a sign, everyone before 2017 cannot believe in imminency then right because you needed the sign first to know it would be soon. Unless, perhaps you weren't aware of the sign and now are?
I googled sept 2017 sign and started reading websites to see what they said. Have you looked at Wikipedia for example?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_12_sign_prophecyAll the sites that say it was not a real sign and why each gave their own ideas why they believe it was not. I wasn't gonna post them here, but I felt I should bring it up as I was researching it. Hey guys, I would like to finally chime in here because I believe I may have some pertinent information which I am not sure venge has seen. Venge, thank you for posting your supporting information. I would like to cover some stuff below that we have previously discussed, and I think may help explain why so many view the celestial event on September 27, 2017 as being THE sign from Revelation 12:1, and why Revelation 12:1 is considered to be a literal sign (after the fact). Please allow me to direct you to the following links, relevant to this discussion: board.unsealed.org/thread/608/thing-missing-clarkes-interpretation-signboard.unsealed.org/thread/107/find-dragon?page=6board.unsealed.org/thread/1598/missler-insightsThe long and short of these threads and the posts referred to above is that the phrase in Revelation 12:1 "A great sign appeared in heaven..." clearly indicates a celestial perspective (see the greek lexicon for the word translated as 'heaven' - οὐρανῷ - biblehub.com/greek/3772.htm); and that sign is distinctive in the sense that it is VERY rare - as in: one-of-a-kind. Analysis done by several people indicates the conjunction of the planets, sun, moon and stars that occurred on Sept 23, 2017 occurs once, and only once, in 7000 years! I think most people would agree that such a conjunction would indeed be a 'great sign'! Additionally, the word 'another' referring to the sign described in Rev 12:3 - "Then another sign appeared in heaven..." indicates a) that the sign is in the same place as the Rev 12:1 sign, namely celestially located, and b) that 'another' means 'another of the same type...' (celestially speaking). Thus, we may draw the conclusion that the celestial configuration which occurred on 9/23/17 was the 'great sign' referred to in Rev 12:1 and the Rev 12:3 sign will be a similar (though not 'great') sign. There has been much speculation regarding the Red Dragon sign of 12:3. Currently, much of that speculation is focused on this year's Draconids, because in some years, (including this one!) they can be very spectacular, including, but not limited to appearing like '1/3 of the stars falling from heaven'. There are some other hypotheses, such as one I've made about these signs being time-markers - we already knew we were in the season, right? So if accurately interpreted, these signs, 'tighten it up' some, don't they? Time is VERY short! Anyhow, I hope you find some adequate explanation for increased understanding, venge. P.s: Addressing some of your concerns, highlighted above: 1. How do you know it describes the past only? How would John have had a vision of something he would have already (likely) known about? If he did, how could that be prophecy, in a book of prophecy?2. It appears that even the 'expert' commentators cannot agree on interpretation. Since this is so, how could the interpretation that has been presented to you be any less valid? Someone has to be 'wrong', unless multiple interpretations are allowed for (all of which are, to a greater or lesser degree, accurate). What if it is the 'experts'?3. I think the question you posed right at the end is an adequate explanation; keeping in mind, that knowledge takes time to increase. Previous 'interpretations' must be evaluated in light of the level of knowledge available at the time. That said, the statement prior to your query pre-supposes that those who believed before 9/2017 could not have been mistaken in their 'doctrine', doesn't it? Is a 'Doctrine of Imminence' spelled out somewhere in scripture, or is it a hypothesis? |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 8, 2018 20:38:08 GMT -6
venge - What do I think follows? I am waiting for the rapture of the church. Rev 12:5b The child that is caught up to God. Do you know that the word used there is most often translated children? Of course that wouldn't make sense to the translators. She (Israel) bore a male Child (Jesus) and her children (the church) were caught up to God (after the dragon is cast out). And so, because Satan cannot get the Church (cannot devour the child), he will try and get Israel (Rev 12:13). He won't be able to do that either (Rev 12:16), so he goes off to make war with those who have become Christians after the rapture (Rev 12:17). But I think there are other things to be watching, too. Russia/Iran/Turkey and what they are doing on Israel's border, for example. Damascus. The major push for peace. I don't know what will come next; I don't think anyone can say for sure. Yes, I was hoping that last year was the Rapture. But learning about the sign...I have never doubted that what I believe is truth. But it just solidified that everything in the Bible is true, that we are in the Last Days, that our God is AMAZING and loves us very much. And this world has nothing for me. I love my husband, and I love my kids, but this is not my home.
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Post by rockito on Oct 9, 2018 1:03:55 GMT -6
Same with me Kathy.. when I heard news of a hurricane "Michael" to make landfall in a couple days. I was reminded and realized that it coincides with the convergence of several meteor showers... Just speculation, but I have to say that it got me wondering about the war in heaven... and the casting down of the dragon, by the archangel Michael.
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Post by kathy on Oct 9, 2018 12:07:20 GMT -6
Welcome to the boards, Rockito!
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