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Post by anonymouse on Sept 20, 2017 22:15:31 GMT -6
What will happen if Israel and Palestine make peace?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 22:20:13 GMT -6
Joel 3: 1-3 and Isaiah 24: 1-6 suggest that division of the Land of the Everlasting Covenant are the proximate cause of judgment on the nations....so, I expect if the world enforces a 2 state solution, we can expect judgemnt
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 20, 2017 23:45:55 GMT -6
I think it's also pretty clear Israel will become enslaved.
Joel 3:3
"They have cast lots for My people,
Have given a boy as payment for a harlot,
And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink."
Zec 14:1-2
"Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city."
Lam 5:1-6
"Remember, O LORD, what has come upon us;
Look, and behold our reproach!
Our inheritance has been turned over to aliens,
And our houses to foreigners.
We have become orphans and waifs,
Our mothers are like widows.
We pay for the water we drink,
And our wood comes at a price.
They pursue at our heels;
We labor and have no rest.
We have given our hand to the Egyptians
And the Assyrians, to be satisfied with bread."
Theres more in Lamentations too and other passages.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 20, 2017 23:57:08 GMT -6
What will happen if Israel and Palestine make peace? If you see this, chances are you have been left behind. Therefore, what will happen is the Tribulation. |
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 21, 2017 5:57:48 GMT -6
What will happen if Israel and Palestine make peace? If you see this, chances are you have been left behind. Therefore, what will happen is the Tribulation. So if Israel makes a peace treaty with ANY of the middle eastern country, we can expect judgement? |
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2017 6:13:11 GMT -6
anonymouse it's the dividing of the land that is the issue. The peace, if any will be false.
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 21, 2017 6:15:21 GMT -6
anonymouse it's the dividing of the land that is the issue. The peace, if any will be false. but in order for the land to be divided, the peace treaty must happen first. am I right? |
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2017 6:34:02 GMT -6
technically yes, but that treaty would be with the Palestinians, likely not Iran and the Shiites (Hezbollah too). Theres an edict they live by and I cant remember where in the Koran it comes from but it basically says, a lie is not a lie if promotes their agenda. So the whole peace thing would be a lie. But we already know that cuz we know the truth!
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 21, 2017 6:54:10 GMT -6
technically yes, but that treaty would be with the Palestinians, likely not Iran and the Shiites (Hezbollah too). Theres an edict they live by and I cant remember where in the Koran it comes from but it basically says, a lie is not a lie if promotes their agenda. So the whole peace thing would be a lie. But we already know that cuz we know the truth! They have already had a couple peace treaties already (didn't last long), whats going to make the Palestinian one special? they also have given away land (gaza strip) but ofc taken it back..doesnt that count as the land being divided? |
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2017 7:08:31 GMT -6
Theres no treaty with Palestine in Gaza. From Wiki:
"Israel maintains direct external control over Gaza and indirect control over life within Gaza: it controls Gaza's air and maritime space, and six of Gaza's seven land crossings. It reserves the right to enter Gaza at will with its military and maintains a no-go buffer zone within the Gaza territory. Gaza is dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities"
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Post by yardstick on Sept 21, 2017 7:51:21 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Sept 21, 2017 7:54:03 GMT -6
technically yes, but that treaty would be with the Palestinians, likely not Iran and the Shiites (Hezbollah too). Theres an edict they live by and I cant remember where in the Koran it comes from but it basically says, a lie is not a lie if promotes their agenda. So the whole peace thing would be a lie. But we already know that cuz we know the truth! They have already had a couple peace treaties already (didn't last long), whats going to make the Palestinian one special? they also have given away land (gaza strip) but ofc taken it back..doesnt that count as the land being divided? I believe those were armistices, cease-fires, and temporary agreements. It is believed by many that 'the two-state solution' is the agreement referred to in Daniel. This is the agreement that is currently being negotiated. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 21, 2017 8:00:47 GMT -6
I think it's also pretty clear Israel will become enslaved. Joel 3:3 "They have cast lots for My people, Have given a boy as payment for a harlot, And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink." Zec 14:1-2 "Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city." Lam 5:1-6 "Remember, O LORD, what has come upon us; Look, and behold our reproach! Our inheritance has been turned over to aliens, And our houses to foreigners. We have become orphans and waifs, Our mothers are like widows. We pay for the water we drink, And our wood comes at a price. They pursue at our heels; We labor and have no rest. We have given our hand to the Egyptians And the Assyrians, to be satisfied with bread." Theres more in Lamentations too and other passages. The UN and world nations will most definitely hold Israel's feet to the fire, without doing the same for the Palestinians. It is well known that the Palestinians are being used as a means by which Israel will be destroyed. The content of the Koran demands the destruction of Israel. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 8:42:20 GMT -6
Good questions anonymouse! Ezekiel 35 and 36 provide a strong basis for the belief that the covenant of Daniel 9:27 is one that takes what was promised to Jacob, and gives it to Esau. While Israel has not achieved its final borders of the Promised Land, it will after Messiah returns, who will "extend all the boundaries of the Land" per Isaiah 26.
There has never in history been a sovereign independent nation other than Israel in the Land of Judea and Samaria. The heartland of the Israelite nation was in Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem....if the world "deeds" Judea, Samaria, and Jerusalem to Esau, to create a Palestinian nation in the heartland of the Land of Promise, then in the eyes of the World it will be off limits to Israel in perpetuity.....in direct contradistinction to God's stated purpose for the Land to reestablish Jacob in the Land to vindicate His Name......this is the 2 state solution, the real division of the Land of Promise. God vs the purposes of the World and Esau.....we know how this conflict will turn out!
Shalom!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 21, 2017 9:25:44 GMT -6
I actually wonder if the Gog of Magog War of Ezekiel 38 & 39 describes the beginning of the enslavement with the destruction of Gog not occurring until Jesus physically comes back. This "covenant with the many" may not be a "peace treaty" but rather a form of enslavement instead of total anhilation. It instead will be a "covenant with death and Sheol." The amount of passages describing Israel's capitivity in the end times is pretty overwhelming and is "Jacob's Trouble."
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