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Post by evenso on Sept 14, 2017 13:42:47 GMT -6
I've thought "this is it!" so many times that I'm weary. So when folks ask me that question, I say, "99% sure it won't happen this year (because of my past experiences) but the one little word "harpazo" in Rev. 12 keeps me hoping. Not to mention the many other things that point to this time frame.
Evenso, Come, Lord Jesus!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 13:59:40 GMT -6
As I always use to say: It's the convergence that makes the difference!
Putting all eggs in one basket.
The name of the basket is......YESHUA and not the sign.
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Post by sawdy on Sept 14, 2017 14:12:25 GMT -6
As I always use to say: It's the convergence that makes the difference! Putting all eggs in one basket. The name of basket is...... YESHUA and not the sign.Amen! |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 14, 2017 18:08:40 GMT -6
1/7 probability it occurs on a specific day of the week
1/16 probability it occurs on a day left in september
1/12 probability it occurs in september
1/90 probability it occurs on a given day left this year
1/5993 probability it occurs prior to the millenium
1/7 x 1/16 x 1/12 x 1/90 x 1/5993 = 1.38 x 10-9 it will occur tomorrow. that' s 1 in 724,913,280
but I could be off a little.
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Post by mike on Sept 14, 2017 18:33:14 GMT -6
Ahhhhh hahahahaha yardstick I was hoping you'd figure this out and provide the mathematically accurate glimmer of hope we all hope for. Lololololol |
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 15, 2017 8:18:22 GMT -6
As I always use to say: It's the convergence that makes the difference! Putting all eggs in one basket. The name of basket is...... YESHUA and not the sign.Amen! Amen!! I love your response! |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 15, 2017 22:31:28 GMT -6
I'm not a Star Wars fan, but Han Solo said famously, "NEVER give me the chances!" (or was it odds? That's what he meant, regardless).
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Post by Rick on Sept 15, 2017 23:02:42 GMT -6
As I always use to say: It's the convergence that makes the difference! Putting all eggs in one basket. The name of basket is...... YESHUA and not the sign.Amen! and Amen! |
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Post by firefrorefiddle on Sept 17, 2017 0:08:32 GMT -6
1/7 probability it occurs on a specific day of the week 1/16 probability it occurs on a day left in september 1/12 probability it occurs in september 1/90 probability it occurs on a given day left this year 1/5993 probability it occurs prior to the millenium 1/7 x 1/16 x 1/12 x 1/90 x 1/5993 = 1.38 x 10 -9 it will occur tomorrow. that' s 1 in 724,913,280 but I could be off a little. Way off, yardstick! :-P It's much easier. If we assume the Lord comes within ten years, then this would be 3758 candidate days until the end of 2027, giving us a chance of 1 in 3758 if all days are made equal. Or 1 in 358000 if you only assume he comes before the year 3000. |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 17, 2017 1:09:36 GMT -6
Well, this is opinion, and opinion only! My opinion is < 1%......the next big event to look for is a covenant to divide the Land. Actually, the covenant to divide the Land is my focus....all else is secondary. If the proposed celestial signs occur in alignment with the covenant, they validate each other.....I am looking for a covenant, and hoping for a celestial confirmation, but the bar is very high currently, in my opinion.. Spot on Sam, I agree with your assessment, with a caveat. Of course this thread is fun, and scripture doesn't say explicitly. I think that we could be raptured and a gap, and the treaty that starts the tribulation. I think a lot of people are missing 2 big things. 1. A Sept alignment, or a giant American eclipse, or record breaking tsunami, won't provoke Israel to jealousy. They're not on Feast days. What would provoke Jews to Jealousy -- having the resurrection (which they believe happens on Feast of Trumpets,) and them missing the resurrection - their own feasts.
2. Paul said that the feasts and new moons, are a shadow of things to come. - The point of a sign is that it points to something ahead; it announces or warns of something coming. Stop, Bridge out, hairpin curve, falling rocks, etc.
Christ either fulfills the feasts perfectly or he doesn't. I would say 0% chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 7:23:34 GMT -6
disciple4life , You have mentioned a few times that a sign points to something ahead - and that is typically true. But would you agree that signs also point to something at hand? For example, "For Sale" sitting on a bike, or in front of a house, etc. Also, the star that the magi followed and stood above where the child was. Now, I also agree with you that the alignment in the sky is unlikely to be the moment of a resurrection or rapture. I am more inclined to believe 1 -it will happen before (on trumpets) and the sign is more an explanation, or 2 - the sign is indicating that it is time to begin the next thing in the calendar of God. It occurs to me that it happens at the beginning of the next year (5778) of the Hebrew calendar. I just wanted to bring this up, because the reason behind saying that a sign needs to point to a future event is not really true. Signs point both to the future and to now.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 17, 2017 15:49:02 GMT -6
disciple4life , You have mentioned a few times that a sign points to something ahead - and that is typically true. But would you agree that signs also point to something at hand? For example, "For Sale" sitting on a bike, or in front of a house, etc. Also, the star that the magi followed and stood above where the child was. Now, I also agree with you that the alignment in the sky is unlikely to be the moment of a resurrection or rapture. I am more inclined to believe 1 -it will happen before (on trumpets) and the sign is more an explanation, or 2 - the sign is indicating that it is time to begin the next thing in the calendar of God. It occurs to me that it happens at the beginning of the next year (5778) of the Hebrew calendar. I just wanted to bring this up, because the reason behind saying that a sign needs to point to a future event is not really true. Signs point both to the future and to now. Spot on - great point, Silentknight. I see what you mean, and that is correct. Actually, the star that the Magi saw and followed appeared at least months before, but your point is right. It can be for something at hand. My point is more for those who endlessly and ignorantly parrot - "no one knows the day" as if we have no clues or signs whatsoever. - which is clearly not you or the watchmen here. It's mind-numbing that the same ones who endlessly say we can't know the day or hour, don't seem to be able to see in the story of the virgins, - to whom did Jesus say you don't know the day or hour??? To the foolish / wicked virgins. And the other thing that baffles my mind, is how people can insist the Lord's return is like a thief in the night, but they ignore the next 2 verses, where Paul says "But you are not children of the night, so that day should surprise you like a thief."
Hope you guys and gals can help me - I've read and studied and searched and cross-referenced and it seems that the entire concept of "Imminent rapture" is built on 2 or 3 verses taken out of context. Am I missing something? Jesus scolded the Jewish leaders because they knew the signs in the sky that a storm was coming, but missed the signs of his coming.
**Also, SilentKnight, I could see a scenario where Feast of Trumpets is cloudy, and the new moon is not seen on the 21st. I've also read multiple accounts that the Jews are even aware that the calendar is slipping, and could be off by a day. I'm a reasonable guy. ;-) I lean more to the convergence idea. That the thing that would provoke the Jews to Jealousy the most is when Feast of Trumpets comes, and the people are resurrected, on their feast, on the day they believe is the Resurrection - and takes a Gentile Bride. Wow. Wow. Now wouldn't that just burn your bagel. - I would rather be in a room of fellow watchmen, and one guy who thinks the earth is flat, and one thinks the rapture will be on Halloween, than with a room full of people who think we can't know the season- Church of Sardis.
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Post by kjs on Sept 17, 2017 16:18:31 GMT -6
I was raised in a church that came from the side that the rapture could happen at any moment.
When I first hear the theory of rapture on the Feast of Trumpts, I thought it was kind of dumb, but he did make some good points, so I at least heard him out....
Then I cam across the teaching (this was way before Scott Clark) that God operated on Feast Dates and saw it spelled out, it really started to make sense.
Then Scott Clark came with all his charts and I became 90% convinced that the rapture would happen on a feast date.....
I personally lean toward the rapture occurring on Pentacost as being the start and close of the Church Age.....
But with all the "signs" and The Big Sign of this year and think if it is going to happen this year, it will be on the Feast of Trumpts, currently still the day before the Sign.
Now we are days away, my doubting mind is Saying .... It ain't gonna happen..... You fell for a scam, your going to be the joke of the town.....
Yet, part of me is still very excited, cause I really want to be with Jesus NOW .... My Savior who did it all for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 16:55:47 GMT -6
disciple4life, All good points. Agreed. Also it seems the star the magi's followed showed up early enough for them to journey to Bethlehem, but not early enough to find him in the manger. It also showed up again - when they were already in Jerusalem. The timings of that "star" were odd. Seems to have had at least 2 showings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 17:05:04 GMT -6
**Also, SilentKnight, I could see a scenario where Feast of Trumpets is cloudy, and the new moon is not seen on the 21st. I've also read multiple accounts that the Jews are even aware that the calendar is slipping, and could be off by a day. I'm a reasonable guy. ;-) I lean more to the convergence idea. That the thing that would provoke the Jews to Jealousy the most is when Feast of Trumpets comes, and the people are resurrected, on their feast, on the day they believe is the Resurrection - and takes a Gentile Bride. Wow. Wow. Now wouldn't that just burn your bagel.
And of course we know that God can arrange the clouds to be present and allow the day to slip as He see fit. Or He could make it clear. So He is in charge of all the timing and aligning. Along this line, I like to believe that the 3 hours of darkness while he hung on the cross were to prevent the priests from sacrificing any lambs on that passover. So when the light came back out, they could start their sacrifices, but by that time Jesus had died. The first lamb to be taken that passover. No biblical proof, but I tend to believe that He is just that in charge of the exact timing of everything. |
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