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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 17:53:29 GMT -6
I searched through the forum to see if the "God's Roadmap to the End" videos by Jaco Prinsloo have been discussed. There are some mentions and cursory discussions but nothing exhaustive, so I decided to create a thread specifically for it, since I feel like he makes some very provocative points. On the other hand, there are some "whaaaaaaaaaat?" moments too that I just don't know what to do with. Mostly it's because his points seem to make sense but several are contrary to what we've traditionally thought about the 70th week. Here is a general synopsis of his theory/beliefs about the 70th week and leading up to it. 1. Sept 9, Jupiter will be born from Virgo. Planet X or whatever is out there (the seed of the serpent) will run into Jupiter, thus bruising its heel. The beginning of sorrows (birth pains) will begin leading up to Sept 23. 2. Rapture will occur on Sept 23, Feast of Trumpets. 3. Antichrist will emerge shortly after rapture. He and 10 kings will be nephilim and take over. Israel will be enslaved (part of covenant with death and Sheol). Mark of beast system will be implemented. Jews will not be allowed to take Mark of Beast. Two witnesses show up. After MoB system, anyone not taking it will be killed. Nobody without Mark will be alive after Mid Trib. 4. Antichrist will allow Jews to build temple, but will proclaim himself God once it's built (middle of week). 5. After AoD, the effects of Jupiter getting hit by unknown planet will begin to come onto the earth in the form of Trumpet and Vial judgments. 6. While Jews are fleeing into the mountains, asteroid will hit earth and cause a massive crack all the way to Jerusalem/Temple Mount/mount of Olives. Jesus will also return and stand on mount of olives (this is at halfway point). Crack in earth causes the enormous tsunami accompanying the asteroid crack to be swallowed up. There is more, I'm sure. I'm halfway through his latest video (2 hours long!) which is his timeline, so I'm sure he will go into more detail about Jesus returning at the mid-Trib point as opposed to the end. All of his videos build on top of one another and you get a good sense of how he reads and interprets scripture, which is why this is so provocative to me. Here is a link to his channel: m.youtube.com/channel/UCgkxVtdHaobhy5CVeF8Rsdg |
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2017 21:19:55 GMT -6
I have watched all of these over the last 7-8 months. Most recently he posted a 3 part video where he is at a speaking engagement, which is a summary of sorts of all most of the previous 9(?) videos.
To my recollection his reason for Jesus coming back mid-Trib is there is only one earthquake mentioned so this has to be when he comes back.
I commented on his video once and he thanked me, and the second time I questioned him about the mid-Trib return and he didn't respond. Basically I said the rapture would could cause a great earthquake as noted in Rev 6:12 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal and lo there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".
There is another earthquake is 16:18 "and there were codes and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon on the Earth, so mighty and earthquake and so great.
So it's this earthquake that is most likely one he is referring to in Zech 14:4
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 21:24:03 GMT -6
He has placed quite an emphasis on the Jupiter / planet X collision happening on Sept 9 and then causing most of the destruction later when the earth moves through the debris cloud. He plans on having a telescope watching Jupiter and live streaming this collision on the 9th.
I wonder if this will be the beginning of the debunkers taking credit for being "right". Or, just maybe, it will be the end of all debunking....
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Post by mike on Sept 7, 2017 21:29:40 GMT -6
@silentknight I think he may be wrong about Planet X colliding with Jupiter. Maybe. I do believe that planet X is out there as there is a ton of evidence that something is awry in the solar system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 21:39:54 GMT -6
mike, for a long time I just ignored stuff about planet X altogether - even though I'm a pretty big astronomy buff. But I do admit, I have seen some stuff over the last year that make me wonder and at this point, I can't outright dismiss it. But I agree with you about Jupiter on the 9th. Just doesn't seem like that could be still a secret at this late hour. Still - can you imagine the reaction of the world and church if that did happen? - what an awakening!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 22:29:21 GMT -6
I have watched all of these over the last 7-8 months. Most recently he posted a 3 part video where he is at a speaking engagement, which is a smart of sorts of all most of the previous 9(?) videos. To my recollection his reason for Jesus coming back mid-Trib is there is only one earthquake mentioned so this has to be when he comes back. I commented on his video once and he thanked me, and the second time I questioned him about the mid-Trib return and he didn't respond. Basically I said the rapture would could cause a great earthquake as noted in Rev 6:12 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal and lo there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood". There is another earthquake is 16:18 "and there were codes and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon on the Earth, so mighty and earthquake and so great. So it's this earthquake that is most likely one he is referring to in Zech 14:4 He has a new video just released that discusses his timeline. In this he goes into more detail about Jesus' return at the halfway point and includes those scriptures. I've always wondered too how there would be two crevices and earthquakes in the same location. He discusses where he puts all of the seals, trumpet, and bowls to answer your question. He doesn't view the 6th seal as being the rapture, but as being during the middle trumpet/bowls. He sees the trumpet and bowls occurring at the same time and when they occur, there is no one on the earth who does not have the mark except those sealed and protected by Jesus, who is also with them. He also discusses the great white throne judgment and Millenium. It is quite fascinating, his take on it all. The new video is 2 hours long though... |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 7, 2017 22:37:08 GMT -6
I had forgotten this too but was reminded in His most recent video...
He sees "Jacob's trouble" as separate from the 70th week. Thus Jacob's trouble is about to start, but it's not the beginning of the 70th week. After 3 1/2 years of "Jacob's trouble" when Israel finally recognizes her Messiah, then the first 3 1/2 years of the 70th week starts. The Millenium is in between the book ends of the 70th week. After the Millenium, Satan is released for the final 3 1/2 years, and once he is destroyed THEN sin and death will be completely finished.
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Post by mike on Sept 8, 2017 6:06:40 GMT -6
MissusMack08 I'll have to carve out two hours to watch this one. I guess it doesnt really matter at this point. The signs are telling me (us) it wont be long regardless of what theory we subscribe to
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 8, 2017 8:17:05 GMT -6
MissusMack08 I'll have to carve out two hours to watch this one. I guess it doesnt really matter at this point. The signs are telling me (us) it wont be long regardless of what theory we subscribe to Yeah. The difference is... if he's right then things are going to get really bad really fast. Not the traditional timeline. No 3 1/2 years of relative peace as the AC rises to,power. For people who are left behind, they are going to need to know what's going on and what to expect. That's really my concern with it. You could maybe skip the first hour since I think he goes over quite a bit that he's already done. ill probably go through it again and start pulling out the scriptures he uses for each thing. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 8, 2017 8:34:56 GMT -6
About Planet X/nibiru... mike @silentknight I don't think his whole theory hinges on this happening (Planet X hitting Jupiter) though he has in absolute terms said it will happen. More power to him, but it may come back to bite him. I have always wondered about the "hearts of men failing for fear of the things coming on the earth." If everything is supernatural then would anybody know it was "coming on the earth?" That doesn't mean it has to occur the way Jaco says though. It could very well mean fallen angels coming down and wreaking havoc on the earth. Forcing people to take the mark out of fear for their lives. Though... I'm not really one to believe anyone can be forced to take the mark if they don't want it, like not realizing it's an act of worship to the "god" of the AC or the AC himself. Satan is a legalist. He doesn't want fake worship and he doesn't want forced worship. He wants people to CHOOSE him over Jesus. |
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Post by mike on Sept 8, 2017 8:56:49 GMT -6
MissusMack08 - I think Jaco may be close with it. I've said this before and maybe in this thread, something is perturbing the sun. I dont know if this is a planet, small star or system but something is happening to earth as well (obviously). I know some of this is debatable, which is not the purpose of the thread so I dont want to derail. But I do want to add that I have been doing some reading on Creationism.org via @stephan and cataclisyms were not uncommon prior to 701 BC (according to the research). God orchestrates this for His purposes. Remember this is still His 7th day and He is "resting" from His works. So it would not be unexpected that He would use the planets as His mechanism to bring these things about. Although secular I tune into this guy (Skywatch Media) His take has little to do with the bible at all. The link is about 20 minutes, maybe a little less. He presents some good info on the Nibiru issue. It does not have to collide with Jupiter to produce catastrophic events. If it does exist it only has to be close enough (Roche limit) to have a gravitational effect. Either way - this is about to get REAL!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 8, 2017 12:54:05 GMT -6
MissusMack08 - I think Jaco may be close with it. I've said this before and maybe in this thread, something is perturbing the sun. I dont know if this is a planet, small star or system but something is happening to earth as well (obviously). I know some of this is debatable, which is not the purpose of the thread so I dont want to derail. But I do want to add that I have been doing some reading on Creationism.org via @stephan and cataclisyms were not uncommon prior to 701 BC (according the research). God orchestrates this for His purposes. Remember this is still His 7th day and He is "resting" from His works. So it would not be unexpected that He would use the planets as His mechanism to bring these things about. Although secular I tune into this guy (Skywatch Media) His take has little to do with the bible at all. The link is about 20 minutes, maybe a little less. He presents some good info on the Nibiru issue. It does not have to collide with Jupiter to produce catastrophic events. If it does exist it only has to be close enough (Roche limit) to have a gravitational effect. Either way - this is about to get REAL! I'm in agreement with you. Something is going on. Something caused the water to recede from Brazil and crash into chile. Something is causing mass die-offs. There are too many things going on to simply be explained away and guilt-tripped by "global warming." |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 8, 2017 15:17:06 GMT -6
@silentknight I think he may be wrong about Planet X colliding with Jupiter. Maybe. I do believe that planet X is out there as there is a ton of evidence that something is awry in the solar system. Hey Mike, - this guy sounds extreme - over the top. I've never heard of him, but here, let's assume that MissusMack's summary is correct. Right off the bat, his credibility is questionable because whatever people may think about the Sept alignment, it is not on Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets. Period. It's not opinion, it's not a matter of interpretation. Rosh Hashanah starts Wednesday at sundown Sept 20 and goes to Sundown Friday Sep 22.
The other thing that makes me question his credibility is that if some asteroid, or unknown planet X or nibiru were going to crash, NASA and other Government agencies would know about it, as well as hundreds if not thousands of private astronomers and observatories around the world. In the extremely small chance that there is some kind of astronomical collision with Jupiter, the implications - results would be seen and reported around the world. It would make Harvey and Irma seem like a spring breeze. I realize there is a whole other issue about NASA's dark ties, - that aside - there are plenty of other Universities and private observatories with multi-million dollar equipment who would have picked up on this long before now. This guy sounds a lot to me like a fear-monger.
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Post by mike on Sept 8, 2017 17:35:27 GMT -6
disciple4life I wouldn't say he's a fear monger. He's a good brother trying to do what he believes God has shown him to do, lay out the roadmap. If you watch a couple of his videos and still feel the same way then ok, we can agree to disagree (about him). I think I've watched them all and find him to be sincere, and quite intelligent (engineer), like some of the folks we have around here. EDIT - watching the video now. Half hour in and I would recommend this to you D4L so you can decide on his view. He lays out the blood moon tetrad, to the Rev 12 sign
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 8, 2017 21:00:57 GMT -6
@silentknight I think he may be wrong about Planet X colliding with Jupiter. Maybe. I do believe that planet X is out there as there is a ton of evidence that something is awry in the solar system. Hey Mike, - this guy sounds extreme - over the top. I've never heard of him, but here, let's assume that MissusMack's summary is correct. Right off the bat, his credibility is questionable because whatever people may think about the Sept alignment, it is not on Rosh Hashanah/Feast of Trumpets. Period. It's not opinion, it's not a matter of interpretation. Rosh Hashanah starts Wednesday at sundown Sept 20 and goes to Sundown Friday Sep 22.
The other thing that makes me question his credibility is that if some asteroid, or unknown planet X or nibiru were going to crash, NASA and other Government agencies would know about it, as well as hundreds if not thousands of private astronomers and observatories around the world. In the extremely small chance that there is some kind of astronomical collision with Jupiter, the implications - results would be seen and reported around the world. It would make Harvey and Irma seem like a spring breeze. I realize there is a whole other issue about NASA's dark ties, - that aside - there are plenty of other Universities and private observatories with multi-million dollar equipment who would have picked up on this long before now. This guy sounds a lot to me like a fear-monger.
I think he's sincere too. Sincerity doesn't mean he's necessarily correct in any or all aspects. He readily admits that he's fallible. But he backs everything up with scripture and many of his points are intriguing. I would encourage you to watch maybe his first or latest video, at least. To address your Feast of Trumpets comment. This is how I understand the biblical Feast of Trumpets is determined. I reserve the right to be wrong, since I'm neither a scholar nor Jewish. But here goes: The Date set aside on the calendar for the Jews to celebrate the Feast of Trumpets (Rost Hashanah) is not necessarily when it will start according to how God told the Israelites to determine it. The current day Jews pre-determine what days they will celebrate it in order to set up a future calendar so people can plan to take off work, buy airfair, etc, whereas God instructed them to celebrate it under specific conditions. If I understand it correctly, the evening of the 20th is when the moon is fully black (what we call a "new moon") but according to God, the new moon is when the first sliver of moon is visible by two witnesses. The Feast of Trumpets is not supposed to start until a sliver of the moon is seen and reported by two witnesses (and I believe it has to be seen at sunset as well since the moon is near the sun when it's new). If there are clouds obscuring the sky at sunset and the moon can not be seen, even if there would be a visible sliver, the Feast of Trumpets is not supposed to start. I think the odds of a sliver being seen on the evening if the 20th is nil, since the moon is totally black that evening. This means the earliest it COULD start would be the evening of the 21st. But again, only if a sliver is visible and confirmed by two witnesses before the moon sets with the sun. This means the current day Jews may celebrate FoT 2 days (or more) earlier than God instructed them to. It is entirely possible that the real FoT will fall on Sept 23. |
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