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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 12, 2017 8:02:12 GMT -6
Oh MissusMack, pretty soon we'll understand stuff completely! Or at least a whole lot better!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 12, 2017 13:21:41 GMT -6
Part 4Notes from Jaco Prinsloo's "God's Roadmap to the End: Part 9 (Video 14): The Revelation Timeline" found here: (Note: Video is 2 hours long. Some aspects are covered more thoroughly in previous videos. In videos, Mr. Prinsloo uses KJV of bible passages. I include the scripture passages using NKJV. Items I have added for clarity are in green) What happens to inhabitants with Mark of the Beast?-6th Seal - Rev 6:12-17 - I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[c] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” -Earthquake is the same as when Earth opens and Jesus stands on Mount of Olives -Linked to 4th Trumpet and Bowl Judgments
1st of 3 Woes then occurs -1st Woe is part of 5th Trumpet & Bowl Judgments -Asteroid that strikes and exposes molten insides of earth and opens Bottomless Pit -Army sent out to torment those who have the Mark - Rev 19:19 - And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
Jesus' Army (of demonic hordes) has 2 regiments - 1st Regiment: Locusts from the Pit -Rev 9:1-6 - Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. - 2nd Regiment: 200 million horsemen - Rev 9:15-16 - So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. - Isa 13:3-5 - I have commanded My sanctified ones; I have also called My mighty ones for My anger— Those who rejoice in My exaltation.” 4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, Like that of many people! A tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together! The Lord of hosts musters The army for battle. 5 They come from a far country, From the end of heaven— The Lord and His weapons of indignation,To destroy the whole land. - Joe 2:2-11 - A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. A people come, great and strong, The like of whom has never been; Nor will there ever be any such after them, Even for many successive generations. 3 A fire devours before them, And behind them a flame burns; The land is like the Garden of Eden before them, And behind them a desolate wilderness; Surely nothing shall escape them. 4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses; And like swift steeds, so they run. 5 With a noise like chariots Over mountaintops they leap,Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble, Like a strong people set in battle array. 6 Before them the people writhe in pain; All faces are drained of color. 7 They run like mighty men, They climb the wall like men of war; Every one marches in formation, And they do not break ranks. 8 They do not push one another; Every one marches in his own column. Though they lunge between the weapons, They are not cut down.[c] 9 They run to and fro in the city, They run on the wall; They climb into the houses, They enter at the windows like a thief. 10 The earth quakes before them, The heavens tremble; The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars diminish their brightness. 11 The Lord gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; Who can endure it? -1/3 of those with Mark of Beast will be killed by army.
Great Winepress of the Lord -Rev 14:17-30 - Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” 19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs. -Rest of Marked & AC will gather at Jerusalem -Grape Harvest = Nephilim, just as in Noah's flood. -"Corner's left for the poor" will be the "tares sown in the wheat" (Jewish women raped and impregnated with Nephilim/human children) that will grow up with the wheat (in the Millenium)
7th Bowl -Great destruction -Great earthquake -Marks the dead for Judgment (those who died without Christ) - Rev 11:16-18 - We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. 18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” - Rev 20:12-13 - And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Sea gives up the dead = Judgement occurs BEFORE millenium
- There is no sea during millenium - Earth is devastated after Tribulation - Mar 13:20 - And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. Will God restore the Earth before Millenium? - Isa 65:19-21 - I will rejoice in Jerusalem, And joy in My people; The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her, Nor the voice of crying. 20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; For the child shall die one hundred years old, But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed. 21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. - Isa 24:19-20 - The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again. -Answer? No, God will not restore current earth. -New Heaven and New Earth created for the Millenium -New Jerusalem comes down at beginning of Millenium Judgment of the Dead-Carried out by those reigning with Christ as kings and priests - Rev 20:4-6 - And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. - Matt 25:31-34 - “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: -Great White Throne Judgment will occupy remaining time of 1st half of 70th week after the Great Winepress
Old Heaven and New Earth flee away from Him Who sits on the Great White Throne - Rev 21:1-2 - Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. - Rev 20:11 - Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. - Rev 21: 5 - Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
Daniel's 1335 Days -New Heavens and New Earth created -New Jerusalem comes down
Millenial Reign of Christ -Only those with glorified bodies will be allowed access to New Jerusalem -No Temple - Rev 21:2 - Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. - Rev 22:1-6 - And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever. - Rev 22:14 - Blessed are those who do His commandments,[g] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But[h] outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. Mortals During Millenium -Only those of the pure Tribes of Israel and the tares sown in them by Nephilim -Those living outside New Jerusalem will still have sinful nature, but Satan will be bound up for 1000 years -World will be ruled with strict guidelines - Zec 14:16-18 - And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. - Rev 20:1-3 - Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while. - Psa 2:9-12 - You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’” 10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest [c] He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.
Final Feasts not fulfilled until AFTER Millenium -Mortals still sinning -Sin not "made an end of" -End of sin made when sin/death/Hades/Satan all cast into Lake of Fire - Dan 9:24 - Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
Final 7 years (after 1000 years) -1st half of Final 7 years, Satan loosed to deceive; Gog/Magog War occurs (hence 7 years of burning the weapons) -2nd half of Final 7 years = 2nd half of 70th week; God protects Jacob
Satan Loosed to Deceive - Rev 20:7-14 - Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. The Great White Throne Judgment 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Gog/Magog War -war specifically occurs at end of Millenium (So, no partially fulfilled Gog/Magog War in our current age) -wooden weapons etc indicate 1000 years of peace - Eze 38 & 39
After the Millenium - Eph 2:4-8 - But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, - 1 Cor 2:9-12 - But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” 10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 13:30:46 GMT -6
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 12, 2017 13:34:28 GMT -6
@stephan, now we can start working some of this out...
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 12, 2017 14:20:00 GMT -6
Reading through the scriptures he uses to support Jesus's army being the 200 horsemen and the locusts from hell... it sounds like the Isaiah and Joel passages are describing the Saints that come with Jesus rather than demonic hordes. Why would demons "rejoice in his exaltation?" Why would they be considered the "camp of the Lord?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 12:24:39 GMT -6
His understanding of the timeline is indeed complete different from the wellknown timelines of other bible teachers. It is AFAIK largely based on the understanding that the book of Revelation is NOT in chronological order. This may indeed be the case sometimes, but....it does not make the things easier, not if applied at such a large scale. Just downloaded his free smashword ebook and trying to get a better understanding of that. But I guess, time is running out. The ebook comprises of 150+ pages. If anyone is interested in delving deeper into his theory, then his ebook may even help in addition to MissusMack08 summary of the videos.
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Post by blur on Sept 13, 2017 14:11:21 GMT -6
Reading through the scriptures he uses to support Jesus's army being the 200 horsemen and the locusts from hell... it sounds like the Isaiah and Joel passages are describing the Saints that come with Jesus rather than demonic hordes. Why would demons "rejoice in his exaltation?" Why would they be considered the "camp of the Lord?" You have to be really careful following 'teachers' that promote the idea of 'Nephilim demons'. Demons are real, yes, but the false prophet is going to 'cast out demons'. (this Nephilim garbage is just a modern update to the 'serpent seed' heresy.) These "Nephilim" are the demons that the false prophet will exorcize. Matt 7 all movies, especially horror & sci-fi, are preparing people for the strong delusion, which is based upon this notion of the false prophet 'casting out demons'. In this manner, movies like Ghostbusters are the exact description of this idea. This is the deception of the 'pharmakia'/ sorcery / hallucinogenic drugs (delivered via anti-radiation pills/ vaccine) of Mystery Babylon in Rev 18:23 where people will perceive 'shadow people' / 'aliens'. All of this is to say: the '200 million man army' of the 6th Trumpet is a reference to God's army in Psalms 68:17 The chariots of God are twice ten thousand, thousands upon thousands; the Lord is among them; Sinai is now in the sanctuary.
they are 'demonic' in the sense that they are deceived people who are thinking that they are 'casting out demons', but in actuality are not following God. They think that they are the 'good' God's army of 200 million, but are really following the false prophet.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 13, 2017 20:55:19 GMT -6
His understanding of the timeline is indeed complete different from the wellknown timelines of other bible teachers. It is AFAIK largely based on the understanding that the book of Revelation is NOT in chronological order. This may indeed be the case sometimes, but....it does not make the things easier, not if applied at such a large scale. Just downloaded his free smashword ebook and trying to get a better understanding of that. But I guess, time is running out. The ebook comprises of 150+ pages. If anyone is interested in delving deeper into his theory, then his ebook may even help in addition to MissusMack08 summary of the videos. I read his book already too. It doesn't really provide a whole lot more detail. He covers it pretty much in all his videos. He doesn't go into the detail I wanted about Jesus' return at the mid-point.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 14, 2017 12:18:52 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 14, 2017 15:36:08 GMT -6
EDIT - I'm here just had a busy day so not enough time to really dig into your notes yet. I wanna dedicate some time to respond/add dialogue...sorry I just saw your shout box note...I thought Daniel 9:24-27 was already fulfilled but eventually read the thread here about the Olivet Discourse and the light went on
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 3:58:04 GMT -6
While ploughing through his book I stumbled across an interesting connection he made. It starts around p.68 and is about the fleeing of the remnant of Israel. It is partly also mentioned in MissusMack08 summary. He connects this event to the impact of some asteroid in the Mediterranean Sea and the resulting tsunami and the split of earth's crust. If I understand him correctly, he connects this also to Zec 14, when Yeshua stands on the MoO and to Rev 12 where the dragon casts out water after the woman. This would fit into his timeline that Jesus comes back in the middle of the trib. It is very interesting because of the very wordly interpretation of the scripture. However he does NOT link this to Isa 28, where the prophet also speaks of some sort of flood. Any ideas on that?
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Post by mike on Sept 15, 2017 7:15:39 GMT -6
There's a bunch of suspect things here...First of course as mentioned is Jupiter on September. No need to beat that up again. He's wrong, period. 10 Nephilim kings in the next 30 days? C'mon! This is a HUGE stretch. Out of nowhere the whole remaining world is going annoint these ten to run the planet. Very very doubtful. Mans pride is too great to allow this. You think people like Trump, Putin, Xi, the Ayatollah in Iran, Kim Jun Un and so on will suddenly just relinquish control to "aliens"? I mean it seems way too Sci-Fi to me, why wouldnt they "fight"? NK is ready to launch nukes, maybe today, who knows. The enemy is subtle, not blatant (IMO). The only way I see it being possible is if this is the delusion. Everyone fooled, everyone.
The other things here is that it sounds like only the Jews will be saved. Where is the temple? If the AC comes into play in a month and isnt bringing false peace, how will they build the temple? On top of that, even if they built a temple, the AC is going to sit down in it and Jesus shows up the same day? I'm lost in this assessment. I think he's trying to force a few things to fit, including the 1000 years in the middle of the trib. He had me on board until that part.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 15, 2017 12:00:43 GMT -6
@stephan , yeah the Isaiah 28 passage is very interesting and definitely dealing with the Day of the Lord. Of all of Jaco's unique theories, the one that I think may in fact be true or at least seems logical, is Jesus returning at the mid-point, right after the AC declares himself God (but this doesn't mean Jesus judges the AC right away...). Anyway, here is the Isaiah 28 passage (I bolded what I thought interesting): Woe to that wreath, the pride of Ephraim’s drunkards, to the fading flower, his glorious beauty, set on the head of a fertile valley— to that city, the pride of those laid low by wine! 2 See, the Lord has one who is powerful and strong. Like a hailstorm and a destructive wind, like a driving rain and a flooding downpour, he will throw it forcefully to the ground. 3 That wreath, the pride of Ephraim’s drunkards, will be trampled underfoot. 4 That fading flower, his glorious beauty, set on the head of a fertile valley, will be like figs ripe before harvest— as soon as people see them and take them in hand, they swallow them. 5 In that day the Lord Almighty will be a glorious crown, a beautiful wreath for the remnant of his people. 6 He will be a spirit of justice to the one who sits in judgment, a source of strength to those who turn back the battle at the gate. 7 And these also stagger from wine and reel from beer: Priests and prophets stagger from beer and are befuddled with wine; they reel from beer, they stagger when seeing visions, they stumble when rendering decisions. 8 All the tables are covered with vomit and there is not a spot without filth. 9 “Who is it he is trying to teach? To whom is he explaining his message? To children weaned from their milk, to those just taken from the breast? 10 For it is: Do this, do that, a rule for this, a rule for that ; a little here, a little there.” 11 Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, 12 to whom he said, “This is the resting place, let the weary rest”; and, “This is the place of repose”— but they would not listen. 13 So then, the word of the Lord to them will become: Do this, do that, a rule for this, a rule for that; a little here, a little there— so that as they go they will fall backward; they will be injured and snared and captured. 14 Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scoffers who rule this people in Jerusalem. 15 You boast, “We have entered into a covenant with death, with the realm of the dead we have made an agreement. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and falsehood our hiding place.” 16 So this is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. 17 I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line; hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place. 18 Your covenant with death will be annulled; your agreement with the realm of the dead will not stand. When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by, you will be beaten down by it. 19 As often as it comes it will carry you away; morning after morning, by day and by night, it will sweep through.” The understanding of this message will bring sheer terror. 20 The bed is too short to stretch out on, the blanket too narrow to wrap around you. 21 The Lord will rise up as he did at Mount Perazim, he will rouse himself as in the Valley of Gibeon— to do his work, his strange work, and perform his task, his alien task. 22 Now stop your mocking, or your chains will become heavier; the Lord, the Lord Almighty, has told me of the destruction decreed against the whole land. 23 Listen and hear my voice; pay attention and hear what I say. 24 When a farmer plows for planting, does he plow continually? Does he keep on breaking up and working the soil? 25 When he has leveled the surface, does he not sow caraway and scatter cumin? Does he not plant wheat in its place,[c] barley in its plot,[d] and spelt in its field? 26 His God instructs him and teaches him the right way. 27 Caraway is not threshed with a sledge, nor is the wheel of a cart rolled over cumin; caraway is beaten out with a rod, and cumin with a stick. 28 Grain must be ground to make bread; so one does not go on threshing it forever. The wheels of a threshing cart may be rolled over it, but one does not use horses to grind grain. 29 All this also comes from the Lord Almighty, whose plan is wonderful, whose wisdom is magnificent.
This passage seems to support the notion that a covenant with death and Sheol* (nkjv above translates it differently/ compare to 4th Horseman in Rev) is made in an effort to protect the nation (AC confirms covenant with many in Dan 9) and supports the idea that it becomes some sort of slavery for them. And maybe it has something to do with the temple being built (notice words— cornerstone, plummet line, measuring line/ compare to passage in Rev about measuring the temple). A flood and other Revelation-esque judgments come to destroy the city (hail, fiery hail or hailstones of "blood" are associated with asteroid impacts).
It also sounds like perhaps Jesus is reigning from Zion while there is "battle at the gates." But maybe this is part of Armageddon?
i want to look for all the verses that may support this idea of Jesus being on the earth during the 1260 days that the AC has power and authority. The places I'm having trouble reconciling are: the remnant flees to the wilderness, some passages sound like Jesus is with the remnant and sound like Jesus is in Zion. Zion is supposed to be at Jerusalem. Does Jesus destroy Jerusalem, go to wilderness to the remnant and then later lead them to Zion? Jesus and His camp being in Zion for when the battle of Armageddon makes sense, otherwise why are all the nations encircling the city?
However there is this verse in Jeremiah 49:38: "I will set My throne in Elam, And will destroy from there the king and the princes,' says the LORD."
Elam is supposed to be a waste at some point—all the people scattered across the nations. Maybe this is the wilderness that the remnant flees to (why do we think Petra?). Maybe this is Zion for the time being, like wherever Jesus is, is Zion, not necessarily Jerusalem all of the time, but it WILL be Jerusalem eventually?
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 15, 2017 12:29:46 GMT -6
mike, @stephan, in case time is very short... anyway we could divy up the most pertinent sections of Jaco's theories and timeline (those things that cause the most confusion and/or differ the most from the traditional timeline), look for all references that either support or reject (or both) those ideas and compile it into a document? The three areas I see as being the most necessary to discuss are: 1) 70th week split with Millenium in the middle (including distinction of Jacob's Trouble) 2) Jesus' return at the mid-point 3) New heavens and new earth and new Jerusalem/ Great white throne judgment beginning at start of Millenium Actually #3 I could take or leave since it doesn't really matter to the urgency of the coming 70th week. Is there another portion that is more urgent to be addressed? Like, Mark of beast creates nephilim and no mortals will be left alive by mid-point except Israel? What do you guys think?
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Post by mike on Sept 15, 2017 12:50:17 GMT -6
MissusMack08 ...i have a pretty busy weekend coming up. I'll try to put together some info on the Nephilim maybe even Rephaim (spirits of the dead) and mark of the beast. This mid point return just doesnt make sense. AC sits down in a temple that wont be built? How could the Jews build a temple if theres no peace to build it? Is that the deceptive covenant he makes and as soon as its finished he claims to be God, then moments later Jesus shows up. Where's the "Wrath" part of the Tribulation? A thousand years later? Now thinking even more about his theory of Nibiru colliding with Jupiter, he said the debris hits here 3.5 years later. Why would Jesus show up with debris still falling. First the collision didnt happen. If it did the debris wouldnt fall for one day, one week, one month. I'd say if "Nemesis/Nibiru" were coming (and it may be), its "gravity" would cause the same type of damage or worse. It would explain the issues we see today and worse as it got closer. Anyway. I'll look at the "ALIENS" but I cant promise too much over the weekend.
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