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Post by Gary on Aug 28, 2017 13:02:59 GMT -6
Our buddy Scottie Clarke delivered an amazing hour+ presentation at the Hear the Watchmen Conference. One of the most important videos you'll watch in awhile. Here is his edited version:
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Post by Connie on Aug 28, 2017 16:01:13 GMT -6
He did such a good job! His message was clear, concise and right on point.
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Post by kjs on Aug 28, 2017 19:33:37 GMT -6
Finally got around to watching it.
Thought he did a very good job, plus got to hear both songs of his like. "Going up, up up...."
As he pointed out many times ... Is this the date?
Maybe, maybe not .... BUT if it is NOT the date that is wasting a lot of good signs.....
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 29, 2017 2:18:25 GMT -6
Finally got around to watching it. Thought he did a very good job, plus got to hear both songs of his like. "Going up, up up...." As he pointed out many times ... Is this the date? Maybe, maybe not .... BUT if it is NOT the date that is wasting a lot of good signs..... I listened to it while driving across NM today. It was awesome! —"BUT if it is NOT the date that is wasting a lot of good signs....." If nothing happens, I don't think people will ever look at signs in heaven ever again. I mean, what would another blood moon or another conjunction of Jupiter and Venus or another solar eclipse mean if the convergences of all of these in the last few years and all the other convergences now mean nothing? What else is there to look for? I can't imagine Rev 12:1-2 being fulfilled in any other way outside of something completely supernatural, unpredictable, and un-looked-for. It's unfathomable to me that it would mean nothing. Jesus very words—their integrity— and His Great Name are at stake with this sign because it matches what He told John to write. If this is not what is described in Rev 12, did God not KNOW that this alignment would occur and that we would all be, not just sucked in, but doctrinally intertwined with it? Did He put it there on purpose to give us a stumbling block or to deliver us to persecution? This is not like Harold Camping setting a rapture date based on personal revelation and obscure math. There is not just one or a handful of people. There is no secret knowledge being used to determine it. This is huge and if it's not the real deal... I can understand why so many christians are choosing to ignore it or be quick to condemn "date-setters" because they don't want to deal with the fallout if it's wrong. Part of that fallout would be a perceived tarnishing of God's reputation. Well, I for one believe that God can take care of His own reputation and is IN FACT going to glorify His Great Name. AND everything written about in the book of Revelation (and the rest of the Bible) will come to pass exactly as it is described. Ok, rant over :-) (just to be clear, this was not directed at you, kjs (or anybody). I agree wholeheartedly with your post!) |
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Post by kjs on Aug 29, 2017 7:36:03 GMT -6
MissusMack08
I agree this "Sign Date" has so many items associated with it -- that never did apply to the other dates that were set and then passed.
But I am a scardie-cat to absolutely draw a line and say -- the rapture will take place here.....
Part of that reaction is because I SO REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR -- that I am afraid my emotions are clouding my over all judgement.
Usually, I am much more logical -- and can go step by step -- saying ok this satisfied this requirement here -- and that over there satisfies that requirement over there ... so with all this alignment -- I think we are looking at 90% guarantee that this IS IT!
But problem is I SO much want it to occur -- that I am afraid I would be upping estimates and over-looking glaring holes -- just to make it fit.
In other words,not sure I cam rely on my logic anymore -- since emotionally I want it to happen......
NOT sure if that makes sense to everyone -- but right now I am trying to find "GLARING HOLES"
And the only one I have is verse 3-4 in Revelation 12 -- because it does say "IN HEAVEN" .......
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Post by socalexile on Aug 29, 2017 7:42:46 GMT -6
Yep. We need Rev. 12:3-4 understood and fulfilled before v.5.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 29, 2017 7:55:02 GMT -6
This comment right here made me think that Rev 12:3,4 would then likely happen JUST as people (naysayers) do this: "And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." 2Pet 3:4.
It may be the rapture event is after the Great sign, yet then it happens as 2Pet 3:4 occurs with Rev 12:3,4 appearing quite near that Peter fulfillment. People scream out WOE! or BEHOLD! just like John did... Rapture occurs! Those of us watching will recognize 3,4 and will be Praising the Lord, rather than "Woe-ing" or being in panic-mode...
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Post by mike on Aug 29, 2017 8:05:59 GMT -6
MissusMack08 I agree this "Sign Date" has so many items associated with it -- that never did apply to the other dates that were set and then passed. But I am a scardie-cat to absolutely draw a line and say -- the rapture will take place here..... Part of that reaction is because I SO REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR -- that I am afraid my emotions are clouding my over all judgement. Usually, I am much more logical -- and can go step by step -- saying ok this satisfied this requirement here -- and that over there satisfies that requirement over there ... so with all this alignment -- I think we are looking at 90% guarantee that this IS IT! But problem is I SO much want it to occur -- that I am afraid I would be upping estimates and over-looking glaring holes -- just to make it fit. In other words,not sure I cam rely on my logic anymore -- since emotionally I want it to happen...... NOT sure if that makes sense to everyone -- but right now I am trying to find "GLARING HOLES" And the only one I have is verse 3-4 in Revelation 12 -- because it does say "IN HEAVEN" ....... Oh my friend YES! it will be really nice getting to know you. We seem to be a lot alike in this manner...I do not allow my emotion to get the best of me and allow evidence and logic to make sense of everything. BUT I can't ignore the evidence that we are constantly seeing around almost daily. I also can't ignore that our God is supernatural. I continue to want to doubt and still do have a slight reservation about the 23rd, but I know that the scripture is fulfilled that day. (EDIT - This is why in another thread I said to you " what if the sign is for Israel and not us"). What that translates to is yet to be seen. I have been thinking of that Saturday now more and more. Wondering if I'll sleep the night of the 22nd. What will I do once 6, 7, 8, 9 PM eastern time rolls around if nothing seemingly happens? Like SoCal put so very well, God will take care of His reputation. He did it with all those before us. This is just so mind boggling its hard to even put into words! I want to pinch myself cuz I think about this and say "THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING!" |
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Post by kjs on Aug 29, 2017 8:37:16 GMT -6
I have been thinking of that Saturday now more and more. Wondering if I'll sleep the night of the 22nd. What will I do once 6, 7, 8, 9 PM eastern time rolls around if nothing seemingly happens? Like SoCal put so very well, God will take care of His reputation. He did it with all those before us. This is just so mind boggling its hard to even put into words! I want to pinch myself cuz I think about this and say "THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING!" Well, Jerusalem is basically 5 hours ahead of US Eastern Time So Friday 22nd -- 6pm Jerusalem (or the start of their Sabbath 23rd) --- will be Friday 22nd - 11am here in the states.... In work terms, I would be winding down a meeting - getting ready for lunch around that time frame (in a normal day).... What will that day hold? -- will I be singing Scotty's song --- "I'm going up, up, up...." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 8:43:35 GMT -6
I know this will sound strange, but just reading over the last several posts has brought each of you so close in my heart. I actually love you folk. You are each so earnest and full of integrity in your comments and allowing yourselves to be vulnerable to one another. I am so glad to have found this group of believers.
MissusMack08 - what you wrote is so well worded. I would loved to have said it myself. Each of you is precious to me even though I have only known you for a couple weeks. Even this is the result of the sign.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 8:44:52 GMT -6
The sign is already having impact - regardless of what it exactly means - it is already drawing us to him and it is separating sheep from goats and it is gathering together those that are hearing his voice.
I like to say we have seen the sign already - in our heart.
We may add to it with all our other analysis - much of which may be wrong. But the star alignment on 9/23 is as real as it gets. So there are only two questions:
1. Is it the alignment that John described?
2. What does it mean? (announcement of coming event, explanation of past event, tester of faith)
I contend that at this point - it is too late for it to be meaningless. I mean look at it this way. If "nothing observable happens" in relationship to the sign could that manifest a falling away of the disingenuous? The faithful would still be faithful, but the world and the tares would cease to watch or be concerned. The scoffing at the faithful would increase and the blaspheme of Christ would increase. Would this not, in and of itself, prove the sign was meaningful even if it appeared to be meaningless?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 8:50:51 GMT -6
The sign is causing each of us to evaluate our lives and our walk with the Lord. We are pleading with him to draw close to us, to teach us, to use us. We are "not forsaking the gathering together as we see the day approaching." We are "encouraging one another with these words." The sign has been a great gift from God for us in these last days.
I'm not saying it won't be much much more than that. But that, in itself is praiseworthy to our Father.
Blessed be his name in all the earth. Blessed be the voice of the one that was and is and always shall be. My soul sings in words I cannot express and my heart cries out to the heavens, come Lord Jesus. Come! In all the days, since the beginning of man until now, you Lord have seen them and have made them dance according to the course of your will. You have brought forth the righteous in their time and have gathered together the weak and humble in their time of need. You alone are God and you alone have saved us. Let us walk in the testimony of your name and in the truth that you have shined down upon us. Amen!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 8:53:11 GMT -6
Sorry. Had a moment there....
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Post by mike on Aug 29, 2017 8:59:35 GMT -6
I have been thinking of that Saturday now more and more. Wondering if I'll sleep the night of the 22nd. What will I do once 6, 7, 8, 9 PM eastern time rolls around if nothing seemingly happens? Like SoCal put so very well, God will take care of His reputation. He did it with all those before us. This is just so mind boggling its hard to even put into words! I want to pinch myself cuz I think about this and say "THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING!" Well, Jerusalem is basically 5 hours ahead of US Eastern Time So Friday 22nd -- 6pm Jerusalem (or the start of their Sabbath 23rd) --- will be Friday 22nd - 11am here in the states.... In work terms, I would be winding down a meeting - getting ready for lunch around that time frame (in a normal day).... What will that day hold? -- will I be singing Scotty's song --- "I'm going up, up, up...." see without y'all i'd have my days backwards...I was thinking 23rd would be Saturday for us. So i was wondering where i'd be Saturday at 11AM...I'm going to disappear from my seat at work! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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Post by mike on Aug 29, 2017 9:02:58 GMT -6
The sign is causing each of us to evaluate our lives and our walk with the Lord. We are pleading with him to draw close to us, to teach us, to use us. We "not forsaking the gathering together as we see the day approaching." We are "encouraging one another with these words." The sign has been a great gift from God for us in these last days. I'm not saying it won't be much much more than that. But that, in itself is praiseworthy to our Father. Blessed be his name in all the earth. Blessed be the voice of the one that was and is and always shall be. My soul sings in words I cannot express and my heart cries out to the heavens, come Lord Jesus. Come! In all the days, since the beginning of man until now, you Lord have seen them and have made them dance according to the course of your will. You have brought forth the righteous in their time and have gathered together the weak and humble in their time of need. You alone are God and you alone have saved us. Let us walk in the testimony of your name and in the truth that you have shined down upon us. Amen! Thanks for your encouraging words/prayer Jim! I continue to feel ever humbled by the grace He shows me (and us). I know I dont deserve any of His favor including fellowship with you all, but yet here I am. Thank you JESUS! |
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