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Post by sawdy on Aug 29, 2017 9:40:55 GMT -6
I mean look at it this way. If "nothing observable happens" in relationship to the sign could that manifest a falling away of the disingenuous? The faithful would still be faithful, but the world and the tares would cease to watch or be concerned. The scoffing at the faithful would increase and the blaspheme of Christ would increase. Would this not, in and of itself, prove the sign was meaningful even if it appeared to be meaningless? This is how I used to view the sign until I found Unsealed. It is a sad way of looking at something that should be amazing. I know I would continue to watch, but it would become even harder to share because we know from reading that it will become challenging to remain true to our faith, especially when the A/C appears on the scene and everyone around us will be singing his praises. We have seen in the last several years how viral communication has spread. From the Ice Bucket challenge, to at least in Alberta, completely influencing our last provincial election, viral communication has infiltrated how we view our world. How many people actually go to a news site for "news" and don't just wait to see it in their Social Media feeds? The most important news makes the feeds and you can go on your merry little life of posting pictures of your food or your latest fitness challenge. People love the new, at least until they have it. I logged onto Facebook last night. I had one friend share an image of a Hindu deity, another sharing about her Access Bars spirituality course, and yet another in a PM told me "Change is good". I keep hearing people quoting this saying and I believe they are sadly already on their way to the strong delusions. Not all change is good. I got through Scott's video late last night (amazing!) and was singing "Up, Up, Up" on my way to bed. Woke up excited for the day and excited to be sharing about my relationship with Jesus. I am also excited to celebrate the coming new year of 5778. And I know, whether tomorrow or in a year or more, I will be excited to be a part of the Rapture and meet all of you in Heaven. God Bless! |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 29, 2017 10:00:00 GMT -6
One thing's for sure:
II Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 29, 2017 10:43:33 GMT -6
MissusMack08 I agree this "Sign Date" has so many items associated with it -- that never did apply to the other dates that were set and then passed. But I am a scardie-cat to absolutely draw a line and say -- the rapture will take place here..... Part of that reaction is because I SO REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR -- that I am afraid my emotions are clouding my over all judgement. Usually, I am much more logical -- and can go step by step -- saying ok this satisfied this requirement here -- and that over there satisfies that requirement over there ... so with all this alignment -- I think we are looking at 90% guarantee that this IS IT! But problem is I SO much want it to occur -- that I am afraid I would be upping estimates and over-looking glaring holes -- just to make it fit. In other words,not sure I cam rely on my logic anymore -- since emotionally I want it to happen...... NOT sure if that makes sense to everyone -- but right now I am trying to find "GLARING HOLES" And the only one I have is verse 3-4 in Revelation 12 -- because it does say "IN HEAVEN" ....... just wanted to be clear that in my "rant" post, that I wasn't saying that the rapture would be the meaning of the Rev 12 sign. I was just frustrated with people who say the alignment itself is meaningless (whether that is rapture, or trib, Satan coming down, AC rising, or true beginning of pre-trib birth pains). I want it to be the rapture. (Please, Lord Jesus come take us!). But the fact that there is an alignment in the heavens that matches exactly what Revelation says is critical. If nothing else related to the book of Rev occurs around the time of the Sign, then I feel, scoffers are going to write off the entire book, because how can we know what the rest of Rev is talking about if even something that really seemed to match it, doesn't? Our ability to interpret anything in the book will be questioned. I'm struggling with wanting to full out believe and shout it from the roof tops that this alignment is The Sign and doubting too! I go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Last night was a "forth." This morning, after reading the responses on this thread, is a "back." (Not that I'm feeling discouraged about it from the posts, but rather I'm thinking and analyzing my own doubts). Here are some questions that I feel the Holy Spirit is posing IN ME this morning, based on kjs's post: Are their "GLARING HOLES" in your belief of saved by grace through faith and not of works? Is it "logical" to believe in God? Does God work in "logical" ways? Has God always done what He said He'd do? Is God's power and authority sufficient and consistent? I think God is telling me to just HAVE FAITH! And marvel at His wonder, the Sign He has given us and the Great and Mighty Work He is about to accomplish! |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 29, 2017 10:50:19 GMT -6
MissusMack08 I agree this "Sign Date" has so many items associated with it -- that never did apply to the other dates that were set and then passed. But I am a scardie-cat to absolutely draw a line and say -- the rapture will take place here..... Part of that reaction is because I SO REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR -- that I am afraid my emotions are clouding my over all judgement. Usually, I am much more logical -- and can go step by step -- saying ok this satisfied this requirement here -- and that over there satisfies that requirement over there ... so with all this alignment -- I think we are looking at 90% guarantee that this IS IT! But problem is I SO much want it to occur -- that I am afraid I would be upping estimates and over-looking glaring holes -- just to make it fit. In other words,not sure I cam rely on my logic anymore -- since emotionally I want it to happen...... NOT sure if that makes sense to everyone -- but right now I am trying to find "GLARING HOLES" And the only one I have is verse 3-4 in Revelation 12 -- because it does say "IN HEAVEN" ....... just wanted to be clear that in my "rant" post, that I wasn't saying that the rapture would be the meaning of the Rev 12 sign. I was just frustrated with people who say the alignment itself is meaningless (whether that is rapture, or trib, Satan coming down, AC rising, or true beginning of pre-trib birth pains). I want it to be the rapture. (Please, Lord Jesus come take us!). But the fact that there is an alignment in the heavens that matches exactly what Revelation says is critical. If nothing else related to the book of Rev occurs around the time of the Sign, then I feel, scoffers are going to write off the entire book, because how can we know what the rest of Rev is talking about if even something that really seemed to match it, doesn't? Our ability to interpret anything in the book will be questioned. I'm struggling with wanting to full out believe and shout it from the roof tops that this alignment is The Sign and doubting too! I go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Last night was a "forth." This morning, after reading the responses on this thread, is a "back." (Not that I'm feeling discouraged about it from the posts, but rather I'm thinking and analyzing my own doubts). Here are some questions that I feel the Holy Spirit is posing IN ME this morning, based on kjs's post: Are their "GLARING HOLES" in your belief of saved by grace through faith and not of works? Is it "logical" to believe in God? Does God work in "logical" ways? Has God always done what He said He'd do? Is God's power and authority sufficient and consistent? I think God is telling me to just HAVE FAITH! And marvel at His wonder, the Sign He has given us and the Great and Mighty Work He is about to accomplish! Yes. Yes He does. |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 29, 2017 10:51:32 GMT -6
Bottom line is: if nothing else happens, then Rev. 12:1-2 is still fulfilled. It just is so on God's timeline chart; and the next thing we should look for is the Dragon.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 29, 2017 10:56:12 GMT -6
This comment right here made me think that Rev 12:3,4 would then likely happen JUST as people (naysayers) do this: "And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." 2Pet 3:4. It may be the rapture event is after the Great sign, yet then it happens as 2Pet 3:4 occurs with Rev 12:3,4 appearing quite near that Peter fulfillment. People scream out WOE! or BEHOLD! just like John did... Rapture occurs! Those of us watching will recognize 3,4 and will be Praising the Lord, rather than "Woe-ing" or being in panic-mode... That could be, except the naysayers are already saying that and have been for years. So, for me, that is already come to pass. I keep going back to Jesus fulfilling the first 4 feasts TO THE DAY, even to the hour as on Passover. It's possible that the rapture IS NOT the way Jesus will fulfill Trumpets and the rapture itself is imminent in this season, but the symbology of Trumpets seems to suggest otherwise. I expect Him to fulfill Trumpets on the Day and that very well could mean the rapture. Sorry if it sounds like I keep going back and forth on this. It's because I am. I'm sure everyone is to some degree. Nobody wants to be a "date-setter" because Satan has used setting dates as a way for the world to disparage the Church, but here we have a date set by God in the heavens... and nobody is allowed to proclaim it because of Satan. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 29, 2017 11:10:00 GMT -6
Well, Jerusalem is basically 5 hours ahead of US Eastern Time So Friday 22nd -- 6pm Jerusalem (or the start of their Sabbath 23rd) --- will be Friday 22nd - 11am here in the states.... In work terms, I would be winding down a meeting - getting ready for lunch around that time frame (in a normal day).... What will that day hold? -- will I be singing Scotty's song --- "I'm going up, up, up...." see without y'all i'd have my days backwards...I was thinking 23rd would be Saturday for us. So i was wondering where i'd be Saturday at 11AM...I'm going to disappear from my seat at work! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wouldn't 6 pm in Jerusalem be 1 pm eastern time if it's 5 hours difference and Jerusalem is ahead? Here's something to think about though... They don't blow the shofar during the evening, only during the day. However, that also begins the sabbath. During the feast of Trumpets, the shofar is not blown on the sabbath. So, if the Feast of Trumpets falls on Sept 23rd, they won't blow any trumpets.... |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 29, 2017 11:12:53 GMT -6
The sign is causing each of us to evaluate our lives and our walk with the Lord. We are pleading with him to draw close to us, to teach us, to use us. We are "not forsaking the gathering together as we see the day approaching." We are "encouraging one another with these words." The sign has been a great gift from God for us in these last days. I'm not saying it won't be much much more than that. But that, in itself is praiseworthy to our Father. Blessed be his name in all the earth. Blessed be the voice of the one that was and is and always shall be. My soul sings in words I cannot express and my heart cries out to the heavens, come Lord Jesus. Come! In all the days, since the beginning of man until now, you Lord have seen them and have made them dance according to the course of your will. You have brought forth the righteous in their time and have gathered together the weak and humble in their time of need. You alone are God and you alone have saved us. Let us walk in the testimony of your name and in the truth that you have shined down upon us. Amen! I thoroughly enjoyed "your moment" of allowing the Holy Spirit speak through you and glorify Jesus! |
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Post by Connie on Aug 29, 2017 11:17:15 GMT -6
This comment right here made me think that Rev 12:3,4 would then likely happen JUST as people (naysayers) do this: "And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." 2Pet 3:4. It may be the rapture event is after the Great sign, yet then it happens as 2Pet 3:4 occurs with Rev 12:3,4 appearing quite near that Peter fulfillment. People scream out WOE! or BEHOLD! just like John did... Rapture occurs! Those of us watching will recognize 3,4 and will be Praising the Lord, rather than "Woe-ing" or being in panic-mode... That could be, except the naysayers are already saying that and have been for years. So, for me, that is already come to pass. I keep going back to Jesus fulfilling the first 4 feasts TO THE DAY, even to the hour as on Passover. It's possible that the rapture IS NOT the way Jesus will fulfill Trumpets and the rapture itself is imminent in this season, but the symbology of Trumpets seems to suggest otherwise. I expect Him to fulfill Trumpets on the Day and that very well could mean the rapture. Sorry if it sounds like I keep going back and forth on this. It's because I am. I'm sure everyone is to some degree. Nobody wants to be a "date-setter" because Satan has used setting dates as a way for the world to disparage the Church, but here we have a date set by God in the heavens... and nobody is allowed to proclaim it because of Satan. Naysayers gonna nay- (sorry, couldn't resist  ) If we aren't home by the 24th, I'm sure going to be disappointed. And boy, will my ears be listening for every little odd noise from about the 21st until then. It's not that I am not okay here, it's just that the further along we get, the more alien this place is. I want to be HOME. I'm tired of the wickedness and the unrighteousness, wrong called right and evil called good. This place is upside down and backwards. Do I believe we're going home this year?-- Yes, actually I do. The timing may be a little different but I'm convinced. And if I wake up on the 24th to radio silence, I'll be trotting myself into the throneroom to ask a few questions. Could I be wrong? Yes, of course. That's another annoying thing about living here in this fallen place on this side of a through-the-glass-darkly veil. But is Jesus coming back? YES! Is He coming soon? YES! Is it time to storm heaven and ask Him to fulfill His promises to us? YES, YES, YES! I've got no problem pulling a Daniel here. What's so wrong with wanting your God and your King and your Friend to come back? Not one single thing. If our enthusiasm makes others squirm, they better figure out why mighty fast-- |
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Post by kjs on Aug 29, 2017 11:19:48 GMT -6
see without y'all i'd have my days backwards...I was thinking 23rd would be Saturday for us. So i was wondering where i'd be Saturday at 11AM...I'm going to disappear from my seat at work! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wouldn't 6 pm in Jerusalem be 1 pm eastern time if it's 5 hours difference and Jerusalem is ahead? Here's something to think about though... They don't blow the shofar during the evening, only during the day. However, that also begins the sabbath. During the feast of Trumpets, the shofar is not blown on the sabbath. So, if the Feast of Trumpets falls on Sept 23rd, they won't blow any trumpets.... Not saying you are wrong -- but that makes no sense at all..... Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Lev 23:24 The FOT is an High Sabbath --- so regardless of the day of a week it is a Sabbath |
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Post by mike on Aug 29, 2017 11:21:25 GMT -6
EDIT - Timing depends on where you are. KJS are you on the east coast like me? It would be 1PM here, however they are 7 hours ahead of us on the east coast.
I also have to say that the reason I found Unsealed was that I was looking for information regarding holes in the great sign. Obviously I found otherwise
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Post by kjs on Aug 29, 2017 11:27:50 GMT -6
Here are some questions that I feel the Holy Spirit is posing IN ME this morning, based on kjs's post: Are their "GLARING HOLES" in your belief of saved by grace through faith and not of works? Is it "logical" to believe in God? Does God work in "logical" ways? Has God always done what He said He'd do? Is God's power and authority sufficient and consistent? I think God is telling me to just HAVE FAITH! And marvel at His wonder, the Sign He has given us and the Great and Mighty Work He is about to accomplish! Of course there are glaring holes (where all the doubts come in at) -- it is too simple --- it is too easy --- your kidding right belief in the Messiah and His finished work is all that it takes.... Maybe,it applies to the average sinners -- but when you screw up with the same sin day after day -- then it must not have worked for you. Of course that is when you have to sit yourself down and remind you FAITH is the HOPE for the unseen..... Yes, it all boils down --- does your faith include that God keeps His promise or not........ |
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Post by kjs on Aug 29, 2017 11:29:41 GMT -6
EDIT - Timing depends on where you are. KJS are you on the east coast like me? It would be 1PM here, however they are 7 hours ahead of us on the east coast. I also have to say that the reason I found Unsealed was that I was looking for information regarding holes in the great sign. Obviously I found otherwise 8:28 PM Tuesday, August 29, 2017 (GMT+3) Time in Jerusalem, Israel 1:28pm Eastern time August 29, 2017 right now............ |
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Post by mike on Aug 29, 2017 11:36:17 GMT -6
EDIT - Timing depends on where you are. KJS are you on the east coast like me? It would be 1PM here, however they are 7 hours ahead of us on the east coast. I also have to say that the reason I found Unsealed was that I was looking for information regarding holes in the great sign. Obviously I found otherwise 8:28 PM Tuesday, August 29, 2017 (GMT+3) Time in Jerusalem, Israel 1:28pm Eastern time August 29, 2017 right now............ you false prophet you! I see what you did I'm smarter than I look   "Well, Jerusalem is basically 5 hours ahead of US Eastern Time So Friday 22nd -- 6pm Jerusalem (or the start of their Sabbath 23rd) --- will be Friday 22nd - 11am here in the states...." EDIT - Where's yardstick when I need math help "6PM - 11AM = 7 hrs."  |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 29, 2017 11:43:43 GMT -6
Wouldn't 6 pm in Jerusalem be 1 pm eastern time if it's 5 hours difference and Jerusalem is ahead? Here's something to think about though... They don't blow the shofar during the evening, only during the day. However, that also begins the sabbath. During the feast of Trumpets, the shofar is not blown on the sabbath. So, if the Feast of Trumpets falls on Sept 23rd, they won't blow any trumpets.... Not saying you are wrong -- but that makes no sense at all..... Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Lev 23:24 The FOT is an High Sabbath --- so regardless of the day of a week it is a Sabbath I know. I don't understand it. I shared several links in the thread: unsealed.boards.net/thread/680/question-community-regarding-feast-trumpets?page=1&scrollTo=8538I was trying to help the OP find when the Trumpets are blown during the day and at least one of the links says that they don't do it on the Sabbath (Saturday) if the Feast falls on that day. But it's for purely man made legalistic reasons, if I understood it correctly. Something about carrying the trumpets would encourage people to carry other things and therefore break the sabbath. Something like that, but I could be wrong. |
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