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Post by whatif on Aug 31, 2017 22:09:26 GMT -6
Hi, evenso! Here is the latest that I am aware of...
Source: "Scott Clarke | 2017 Conference Presentation | Revelation 12 / September 23 & MORE!" Scott Clarke Channel, YouTube, 28 August 2017,
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 1, 2017 10:13:46 GMT -6
Tiffany, you are very right about September 24. If we are all still here on September 24, or even beyond for that matter, that says nothing about the validity of the sign on September 23. One thing that will happen on that date for certain (unless the celestial bodies themselves shift out of their predicted paths) is that that alignment will take place. All of us watchers can point back to September 23 regardless of what else may or may not happen and say "Revelation 12 was displayed in the sky on September 23, 2017". I know trying to explain that to people who are determined to 1. call you a date setter and 2. prove that you are wrong will prove to be futile, but that's the truth of the matter. We have every reason to believe that there is some connection between that sign and the rapture, but until the events themselves unfold, we can only speculate as to the exact relationship between the timing of the sign and the timing of the rapture and other tribulation events. I wish the big names would be able to see it that way, but that seems to be asking too much. Exactly right! September 23 is Revelation 12:1-2 playing out live and for the entire world to see. There isn't anyone who won't see it (unless one lives underneath the ground or in a cave). The woman will be there, clothed with the sun and the moon; a crown of 12 stars upon her head. The woman will be crying out, travailing in birth, pained to be delivered (wanting so badly for this baby to just come out already and any woman who has given birth knows the feeling)! Obviously, this wonder culminates in the birth of the baby, of the Body of Christ! When however; exactly what moment... remains to be seen and I would imagine we will not know for sure until it happens. It's the same with life and how women give birth. Some births are very quick, like boom and done and the baby arrives. Some births though, the mom has to push for hours and hours. And so, that is the part we don't know. We know what His Word tells us though, that after this perfect alignment, maybe at the same time, who knows? But then will appear another wonder in heaven. That wonder will either be a great red dragon. Or it will be something else that is unknown because the Bible doesn't say. (It depends upon how one interprets 12:3.) It could happen either way. After we see the dragon though, it will draw the third part of the stars with it's tail. Then it will cast them to the earth. Either after or as it does this, it will be standing before the woman waiting on the woman (who is now ready to be delivered; imagine like baby is crowning). It is waiting to devour the baby as soon as the baby emerges. Next the woman will bring forth a man child (us!), who will rule all nations with a rod of iron (with Jesus who is our Head, of course!). Now, after this, at this exact moment (whenever it is because we don't know exactly; we just know the time is now because in Revelation 12:1-2 the woman IS in LABOR and once a woman goes in to labor, no one knows exactly what moment, but everyone does know, "Get to the hospital fast because a baby is coming soon"! And THAT, is the moment we will be caught up to the Throne of God, as soon as we are born. It won't happen before and it won't happen too far after (or the dragon would have a chance to devour us). It will happen right then, in that moment, in the twinkling of an eye! It is possible all of these things will happen all in one day and on September 23. It's possible 2 days, 3 days. Could even potentially be weeks or months. No one knows except for God. It WILL happen though. Listen up scoffers... IT WILL HAPPEN; and exactly as the Bible says it will. Now is the time to prepare and to be getting ready! Or don't. It's the choice of each and every man to make. We have free will and God does not force us to do anything. Only thing He does force us to do is to CHOOSE. Not choosing at all... is a CHOICE. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 1, 2017 10:22:18 GMT -6
The baby "crowning." I forgot about that word in that context. I never gave birth to a baby, but my wife had quite a collection of them (all mine and hers together), and so I am familiar with the process as a near outsider. There are several stages in the birthing process, including settling, crowning, engagement, etc. Seems the baby has to turn upside down right before it is born. I wonder if any of these things are significant. . . ? Just thinking with my keyboard. . . .
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 1, 2017 10:31:42 GMT -6
I used to be attacked constantly, always in my sleep. For a long time I had insomnia because I was scared to death to go to sleep. I would have "dreams" but they were more real than anything I've ever experienced here in the physical, on earth. I would have to fight to wake up, literally fight and demons are so deceptive that they even make you think you have woken up when in fact you have not and I would have to fight so hard just to truly wake up (keep in mind I was being attacked because I was not in God's Will for me and was intentionally sinning at this time and so this is why I believe God allowed this to happen to me; it does not anymore; because I am IN His Will now). Hi Tiffany, I just wanted to say I've had many, many experiences just like yours. It's encouraging to know I'm not the only one who has gone through it. I also no longer get attacked at night in my dreams because the Holy Spirit brought me to repentance of the sins that were causing it. However, I still get "disturbed" while sleeping on occasion, but it has nothing to do with sin but rather the sensitivity God has given me in the spirit realm. I regularly engage in spiritual warfare (praying against spirits who are affecting people etc) and this has the tendency to bring other types of attacks on me, like I have a bullseye on my back. They like to enter my house while I'm sleeping and pester me by disturbing my sleep (waking up over and over and over) until I force myself to wake up and cast the sucker out. Then I go back to sleep peacefully. God bless your willingness to share about it. Like I said before, I'm really cautious about sharing my experiences, but I felt emboldened to share a little bit now because of your post.  It is the exact same with me! And thank you for sharing, because it is comforting to know, like you said, that there are other's of us who go through it. There was a period of time when it was REALLY BAD and I honestly thought I was going crazy. I reached out to other believer's for help and... just that it made things even worse. Because they either completely did not believe me, or they told me it wasn't at all possible, told me that if I have the Holy Spirit nothing at all bad would ever happen to me spiritually and it was impossible that I would be attacked spiritually. I was advised by one brother in Christ to go to a psychiatrist because he thought that perhaps I had schizophrenia and needed to be medicated. And that none of this stuff I was talking about exists, and basically I was completely dismissed and shunned (no one wanted anything to do with any of it and they didn't even want to hear about it). So, yeah... the entire experience has made me VERY CAREFUL about who I share things with, who I open up to. I praise HIS NAME because truly HE ALONE got me through it. The Body of Christ definitely didn't. I'm happy things happened just as they did though. And I believe that God gives us all different gifts, we all have different purposes. For me and you, we do have a sensitivity to the spiritual realm. Just as you said, things still do happen to me from time to time. I still get vivid dreams, though not at all as often as I used to. Also, since I've dealt with it for so long now... just that I believe God used it (my being out of His Will); used it to teach me. He taught me how to fight. It definitely was NOT pleasant learning. He did it though, He taught me, and now He will use me; He will use you... all of us He will use in one way or another and in one area or another depending upon the gifts He has given us... in this battle to come. God Bless you Sister! (Another thing I am so thankful for, is that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is Real and that He is God and that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to God. Just... I used to have doubt. But now... not even a flicker, not even a fraction of a percentage point, not even 0.0000000001% doubt. He is Amazing and I love Him, I love Him, I love Him!) |
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 1, 2017 10:56:40 GMT -6
The baby "crowning." I forgot about that word in that context. I never gave birth to a baby, but my wife had quite a collection of them (all mine and hers together), and so I am familiar with the process as a near outsider. There are several stages in the birthing process, including settling, crowning, engagement, etc. Seems the baby has to turn upside down right before it is born. I wonder if any of these things are significant. . . ? Just thinking with my keyboard. . . . I've thought about it too, and I think they are significant. God is so Incredible and this is why He made the birthing process the way He did, to show us. It's the same with everything... with marriage, with having children and raising a family, watching your children grow and teaching them... how we see them as newborns, when they crawl, their first steps, their first day of school, graduation, they move out on their own and we have to learn to let go of them (really the entire process we are gradually letting go because they must learn on their own, and must eventually choose on their own who they will follow, who they will serve). The baby will turn in the womb usually around 7 months pregnant. (?) Could be before or after but it happens because the baby is growing and doesn't have room to move like he/she used to. Once the baby turns his/her head presses down. First the baby does engage, head in the birth canal. Then the head presses on Mom's cervix (sorry if too technical lol). All the pressure causes the cervix to efface and then dilate. Some women go into labor and are hardly dilated at all (usually this is with first baby and first is usually the toughest birth). With each baby though, it was easier (at least for me). With Liam (my 3rd and we have 4 all together); I went for my regular check, the doctor measured... and I was promptly rushed to the hospital. It was crazy because I didn't even really feel like I was in active labor (though I DID feel it later lol). They had a wheelchair waiting for me at the front door. The doctor said I was in labor and almost 5 centimeters dilated and get to the hospital NOW! Turns out it was all for nothing, as it was a long while before I had him. It is different, every birth. But just the word "crowning"; God is definitely showing us through how we have our own children. I do know that once a woman is 10 centimeters dilated that means it is time to push. And a woman will also naturally feel when it is time to push, will feel a great pressure and it is hard to explain the feeling. But you feel like you HAVE TO PUSH NOW! With my youngest I had to push so bad and the doctor wasn't available and the nurses were telling me no don't push and it was so hard not to. I HAD TO. The doctor did get there in time to deliver Angelina! Once it is time to push, could be a matter of minutes until birth. Or could be hours. Mine always came pretty quickly. I've heard horror stories though of women having had to push so many hours and like they feel like they are going to die because every ounce of strength is gone from them. One the head is delivered, usually the rest is very fast and the body comes very quickly. So I don't know... maybe that mean's we will be "born" quickly? I hope! There ya go guys... your lesson of the day on birthing babies!  Edit: Oh no! I forgot the water breaking! Sometimes it happens before labor (Harvey, now Irma,  ). Sometimes during labor. |
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Post by bruce on Sept 15, 2017 13:58:47 GMT -6
I just came across this attempt to debunk Scottie Clark from Thomas Ice. He's a pretty big name. I am not sure when this went up, but I just found it today. It's more of the same. I have a lot of respect for Dr. Ice so I was curious if he would have much substance in his rebuttal of Scottie, but his objections are all the same ones that have generally all been dealt with already. It's also interesting how he keeps the focus on Scottie Clark. I like Scottie, but this sign is much bigger than him. I find it annoying when some of these critics focus on the person Scottie so much instead of the substance of the sign itself. Here it is for anyone who is interested: pre-trib.org/articles/view/the-biggest-topic-in-bible-prophecy-revelation-12 |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 17, 2017 19:00:53 GMT -6
I agree, Bruce. I Insist on being persecuted too! |
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 19, 2017 22:29:41 GMT -6
I have just been going over in my mind – how none of the “Big Names” in Eschatology and Prophecy identified this sign early on. {No offense Scotty, you had a decent size following but you were more in the Minor League} Now, because we are “getting closer” and more and more people are starting to “wake up” that this is really happening …. The “Big Names” are starting to come out in force – proclaiming loudly (and in my opinion angrily) that this is just a new “Date Setting Trend” and want EVERYONE to know they “Know Nothing – Absolutely Nothing” (Sergeant Schultz anyone?) about it – and everyone should be prepared to look very silly after nothing happening! NO, neither I nor many of my new found friends can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this event (and it really is an event – the SIGN will OCCUR) and the rapture will occur just before / during / or shortly after this event. BUT by the same token – None of the Big Names – can prove it will not happen…….
I have finally got an answer that I think will answer your question. We are all called to different things, different people focus on different things. Some focus on Evangelism, others focus on the gospel of Grace. Some are called to minister while others focus on prophecy. We cant ask a Doctor to fix a broken shoe. If you ask a person who is specialized in the gospel of Grace about prophecy, he wouldnt know much. The people who are Big Named probably have no clue about biblical prophecy, hence if brought up is something foreign to them and they reject it...loudly...why loudly? because of pride usually... |
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