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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 18:06:35 GMT -6
Stop deflecting to euphemistic arguments. You're saying that Russia = Assyria and US/EU = Babylon; so that would imply that Ukraine = Israel (ignoring that Judah is also a relevant nation at the time of Isaiah). Yet you claim Russia is going to destroy the US/EU, so please show me in Isaiah 10-13 where Assyria destroys Babylon. No, Israel is disbursed into the nations, particularly "Babylon", but basically everywhere. "Come out of her My people" ring a bell? Out of where? "The Assyrian" destroys "Babylon" in Isaiah Chapter 14. Take note of Isaiah Chapter 14:26 " This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations." I take it, God didn't really mean "the whole earth", nor did God mean "upon all the nations"? He probably really just meant that little bit of sand in the middle east ... somewhere in that general area? Maybe God is being, how did you put it? "Intellectually dishonest"... No. Just no. Assyria was destroyed by Babylon before the latter took Judah and enslaved the Jews. Read a little history. And read 2 Kings 19. God sent a messenger to destroy the Assyrian army. Boom. God destroys the Russian army according to your own "types and shadows". You've lost all credibility at this point. Just like Russia has lost Lyman  . |
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 18:55:54 GMT -6
No, Israel is disbursed into the nations, particularly "Babylon", but basically everywhere. "Come out of her My people" ring a bell? Out of where? "The Assyrian" destroys "Babylon" in Isaiah Chapter 14. Take note of Isaiah Chapter 14:26 " This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations." I take it, God didn't really mean "the whole earth", nor did God mean "upon all the nations"? He probably really just meant that little bit of sand in the middle east ... somewhere in that general area? Maybe God is being, how did you put it? "Intellectually dishonest"... No. Just no. Assyria was destroyed by Babylon before the latter took Judah and enslaved the Jews. Read a little history. And read 2 Kings 19. God sent a messenger to destroy the Assyrian army. Boom. God destroys the Russian army according to your own "types and shadows". You've lost all credibility at this point. Just like Russia has lost Lyman . I guess so. It's very obvious my credibility is toast at this point. I concede, Russia will not win, they won't nuke anyone, Ukraine will win and live happily ever after. The end. |
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 2, 2022 6:44:06 GMT -6
Ramzan Kadyrov calls to use low yield nuclear weapons.
I find it personally odd that Kadyrov would post this inside Telegram, a public forum and not privately in military communication channels.
Minor battles, both wins and losses, are not the end game here.
The end game is the survival of one's way of life. "Boots on the ground" battles are not enough to provide that.
For some reason, Putin doesn't want Russia's families to have "Parent 1 and Parent 2" or have their children altered with hormone treatments or worse... I have no idea why. Nor does Putin want the Russian people to be enslaved to the West.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2022 12:13:38 GMT -6
Gary , mike , uscgvet , socalexile I think maybe a break is in order. I would also remind you gentlemen that ad hominem attacks usually indicate you have no game. They also serve to demonstrate your frustration level to the audience (the court of this site's opinion). The best strategy is to ask pointed questions. If the reply is off-point there is a flaw in the logic somewhere (or a lack of comprehension of the question, or deliberate deflection), and further questions will identify what/which it is. I will lock the thread for a couple days. Take a break. During that time I think you should spend some time self-analyzing as to exactly what point(s) you are trying to make. There are a number of off-point replies that are not contributing to progressing the discussion. I believe the purpose of the discussion should be to isolate the truth, not determine who is right and who is wrong.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 4, 2022 19:02:10 GMT -6
socalexile, uscgvet, Gary, mikeThis thread is now unlocked. Please remember who you are and where you are. Routine users are not the only ones witnessing what happens here.
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 17, 2022 15:41:56 GMT -6
No, Israel is disbursed into the nations, particularly "Babylon", but basically everywhere. "Come out of her My people" ring a bell? Out of where? "The Assyrian" destroys "Babylon" in Isaiah Chapter 14. Take note of Isaiah Chapter 14:26 " This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations." I take it, God didn't really mean "the whole earth", nor did God mean "upon all the nations"? He probably really just meant that little bit of sand in the middle east ... somewhere in that general area? Maybe God is being, how did you put it? "Intellectually dishonest"... No. Just no. Assyria was destroyed by Babylon before the latter took Judah and enslaved the Jews. Read a little history. And read 2 Kings 19. God sent a messenger to destroy the Assyrian army. Boom. God destroys the Russian army according to your own "types and shadows". You've lost all credibility at this point. Just like Russia has lost Lyman . It took some study time, but I've found what I was looking for. In the case of history, yes, Babylon destroyed Assyria. No argument there. Now, to my studies: First, I need to make a point. Babylon, Egypt, Jerusalem, Israel, etc.. these names are not just what they were in history. They are other things too. Let's start with Babylon. 1 Peter 5:13 Peter makes an interesting statement and refers to a sister church in Babylon. Now Babylon has been long destroyed, historically speaking, gone from existence when Peter wrote his letter. Why does Peter write this? There is no Christian Church in the antique rubble of Babylon around 40'ish AD. That's silly. What Babylon? Look what Eusebius argued in Church History (published 313 AD) Book 2, Chapter 15, Part 2 Eusebius makes the case that Peter creates this figurative link of the Rome of his day being Babylon. This is the same figurative link is backed up by Daniel when he translates the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about the statue in Daniel Chapter 2. Rome is Babylon, figuratively & spiritually. The Apostle John writes in Revelation 17:18 that Babylon is that great city that rules the kings of the world. He continues in Revelation 18:24 that Babylon is guilty of slaying prophets, saints, and all the people of the world in general (which is backed up by Jeremiah 51:25 where God says that Babylon destroys the whole earth). The Apostle John also writes in Revelation 11:8 that the city where the 2 witnesses of God are killed is Jerusalem but spiritually is Sodom and Egypt. Jerusalem is Sodom and Egypt, figuratively & spiritually. --------------------- Now back to your point. Jeremiah 50:17-18 completely agrees with your historical point. Exactly as you stated. Assyria is takes Israel first, then Babylon takes Judah second, God destroys them both, one after the other, historically. --------------------- But per 1 Peter 5, Babylon still exists somehow, and the entire earth isn't destroyed as Jeremiah wrote in Jeremiah 51:25. --------------------- Jeremiah 50:39-40 state that Babylon's destruction is so absolute, nobody will live in it forever "it shall be no more inhabited for ever". How can that be possible for Peter, around 40 AD or so, to reference sister churches in Babylon when it's supposed to be destroyed forever? Come on Peter? Babylon's gone... There is no Babylon. Jeremiah said so... Babylon still exists today, that's how. That is unless you want to call Peter a liar... I don't think anyone here wants to make that claim. America/Europe are the spiritual, figurative children of Babylon. They are the children of Rome, part of the Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar. Democracy Even Jeremiah makes the important note of referring to the destruction of Babylon as actually the " daughter of Babylon" in Jeremiah 50:42 Rome is the daughter of Babylon per Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar and Peter's 1st letter chapter 5. --------------------- |
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Post by socalexile on Oct 18, 2022 11:16:00 GMT -6
No. Just no. Assyria was destroyed by Babylon before the latter took Judah and enslaved the Jews. Read a little history. And read 2 Kings 19. God sent a messenger to destroy the Assyrian army. Boom. God destroys the Russian army according to your own "types and shadows". You've lost all credibility at this point. Just like Russia has lost Lyman . It took some study time, but I've found what I was looking for. In the case of history, yes, Babylon destroyed Assyria. No argument there. Now, to my studies: First, I need to make a point. Babylon, Egypt, Jerusalem, Israel, etc.. these names are not just what they were in history. They are other things too. Let's start with Babylon. 1 Peter 5:13 Peter makes an interesting statement and refers to a sister church in Babylon. Now Babylon has been long destroyed, historically speaking, gone from existence when Peter wrote his letter. Why does Peter write this? There is no Christian Church in the antique rubble of Babylon around 40'ish AD. That's silly. What Babylon? Look what Eusebius argued in Church History (published 313 AD) Book 2, Chapter 15, Part 2 Eusebius makes the case that Peter creates this figurative link of the Rome of his day being Babylon. This is the same figurative link is backed up by Daniel when he translates the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about the statue in Daniel Chapter 2. Rome is Babylon, figuratively & spiritually. The Apostle John writes in Revelation 17:18 that Babylon is that great city that rules the kings of the world. He continues in Revelation 18:24 that Babylon is guilty of slaying prophets, saints, and all the people of the world in general (which is backed up by Jeremiah 51:25 where God says that Babylon destroys the whole earth). The Apostle John also writes in Revelation 11:8 that the city where the 2 witnesses of God are killed is Jerusalem but spiritually is Sodom and Egypt. Jerusalem is Sodom and Egypt, figuratively & spiritually. --------------------- Now back to your point. Jeremiah 50:17-18 completely agrees with your historical point. Exactly as you stated. Assyria is takes Israel first, then Babylon takes Judah second, God destroys them both, one after the other, historically. --------------------- But per 1 Peter 5, Babylon still exists somehow, and the entire earth isn't destroyed as Jeremiah wrote in Jeremiah 51:25. --------------------- Jeremiah 50:39-40 state that Babylon's destruction is so absolute, nobody will live in it forever "it shall be no more inhabited for ever". How can that be possible for Peter, around 40 AD or so, to reference sister churches in Babylon when it's supposed to be destroyed forever? Come on Peter? Babylon's gone... There is no Babylon. Jeremiah said so... Babylon still exists today, that's how. That is unless you want to call Peter a liar... I don't think anyone here wants to make that claim. America/Europe are the spiritual, figurative children of Babylon. They are the children of Rome, part of the Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar. Democracy Even Jeremiah makes the important note of referring to the destruction of Babylon as actually the " daughter of Babylon" in Jeremiah 50:42 Rome is the daughter of Babylon per Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar and Peter's 1st letter chapter 5. --------------------- You can't have it both ways - you can't claim these parallels are from the Bible then ignore the Bible when it doesn't fit like you want it to. Russia isn't going to take Israel anytime soon, if ever. They can't even deal with Ukraine, and Israel is MUCH better armed and trained. ---------- As far as the Babylon logic the problem is that you're comparing scriptures and history that spans hundreds of years if not a millennia. Literal Babylon is no more inhabited. The Roman empire is gone - the only arguable remnant of Imperial Rome is the Vatican, which if that's Babylon then we're not talking about literal war and destruction but the spiritual struggle that Paul talked about in Ephesians 6:12. |
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 20, 2022 7:00:06 GMT -6
It took some study time, but I've found what I was looking for. In the case of history, yes, Babylon destroyed Assyria. No argument there. Now, to my studies: First, I need to make a point. Babylon, Egypt, Jerusalem, Israel, etc.. these names are not just what they were in history. They are other things too. Let's start with Babylon. 1 Peter 5:13 Peter makes an interesting statement and refers to a sister church in Babylon. Now Babylon has been long destroyed, historically speaking, gone from existence when Peter wrote his letter. Why does Peter write this? There is no Christian Church in the antique rubble of Babylon around 40'ish AD. That's silly. What Babylon? Look what Eusebius argued in Church History (published 313 AD) Book 2, Chapter 15, Part 2 Eusebius makes the case that Peter creates this figurative link of the Rome of his day being Babylon. This is the same figurative link is backed up by Daniel when he translates the dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about the statue in Daniel Chapter 2. Rome is Babylon, figuratively & spiritually. The Apostle John writes in Revelation 17:18 that Babylon is that great city that rules the kings of the world. He continues in Revelation 18:24 that Babylon is guilty of slaying prophets, saints, and all the people of the world in general (which is backed up by Jeremiah 51:25 where God says that Babylon destroys the whole earth). The Apostle John also writes in Revelation 11:8 that the city where the 2 witnesses of God are killed is Jerusalem but spiritually is Sodom and Egypt. Jerusalem is Sodom and Egypt, figuratively & spiritually. --------------------- Now back to your point. Jeremiah 50:17-18 completely agrees with your historical point. Exactly as you stated. Assyria is takes Israel first, then Babylon takes Judah second, God destroys them both, one after the other, historically. --------------------- But per 1 Peter 5, Babylon still exists somehow, and the entire earth isn't destroyed as Jeremiah wrote in Jeremiah 51:25. --------------------- Jeremiah 50:39-40 state that Babylon's destruction is so absolute, nobody will live in it forever "it shall be no more inhabited for ever". How can that be possible for Peter, around 40 AD or so, to reference sister churches in Babylon when it's supposed to be destroyed forever? Come on Peter? Babylon's gone... There is no Babylon. Jeremiah said so... Babylon still exists today, that's how. That is unless you want to call Peter a liar... I don't think anyone here wants to make that claim. America/Europe are the spiritual, figurative children of Babylon. They are the children of Rome, part of the Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar. Democracy Even Jeremiah makes the important note of referring to the destruction of Babylon as actually the " daughter of Babylon" in Jeremiah 50:42 Rome is the daughter of Babylon per Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar and Peter's 1st letter chapter 5. --------------------- You can't have it both ways - you can't claim these parallels are from the Bible then ignore the Bible when it doesn't fit like you want it to. Russia isn't going to take Israel anytime soon, if ever. They can't even deal with Ukraine, and Israel is MUCH better armed and trained. ---------- As far as the Babylon logic the problem is that you're comparing scriptures and history that spans hundreds of years if not a millennia. Literal Babylon is no more inhabited. The Roman empire is gone - the only arguable remnant of Imperial Rome is the Vatican, which if that's Babylon then we're not talking about literal war and destruction but the spiritual struggle that Paul talked about in Ephesians 6:12. "Russia can't even deal with Ukraine" I guess that mean's power is out all over Russia and Ukraine's power is working just fine. Or is it the other way around? I forget. I agree that the physical, historical Babylon is gone, but Peter still referenced Rome in his day as Babylon, even though Babylon didn't exist in his day. "the only arguable remnant of Imperial Rome is the Vatican" I disagree with this based on Jeremiah 50:42 "daughter of Babylon" Rome was a Democracy/Republic. Europe and America are also a Democracy/Republic. The eagle representing Rome is also representative of America. Thus, it's easily arguable that America/Europe are "daughters of Rome" which is the daughter of Babylon per Jeremiah 50:42 and 1 Peter 5:13. The fact that Vatican City still exists as a Roman nation inside in Rome, Italy only reinforces this argument. President Biden and Nancy Pelosi are both Roman Catholic. And when Trump was at that Al Smith charity dinner telling jokes and then proceeded to lambast the crowd, basically saying he's not one of them, Hillary Clinton was also there seated next to some interesting Catholic people. It's interesting that Trump chose that crowd to make that particular speech. Why a crowd of Roman Catholics? Because the world is run by them... that's why. America/Europe have spread their democracy throughout the world by force as it rules over planet earth with an iron fist. Putin himself even stated that their people don't want to be enslaved to America anymore. Revelation 17:18, that great city that rules the nations of the world. I argue that's today's Rome. You argue otherwise, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it as I am entitled to mine. |
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Post by socalexile on Oct 20, 2022 18:41:54 GMT -6
"Russia can't even deal with Ukraine" I guess that mean's power is out all over Russia and Ukraine's power is working just fine. Or is it the other way around? I forget. I hope you realize that should have been Russia's day 1 accomplishment. It's going on 9 months and no, they still haven't accomplished that. Mostly because their so-called 'precision guided munitions' are anything but. Now it's looking like Russia's days in Kherson are waning. I agree that the physical, historical Babylon is gone, but Peter still referenced Rome in his day as Babylon, even though Babylon didn't exist in his day. "the only arguable remnant of Imperial Rome is the Vatican" I disagree with this based on Jeremiah 50:42 "daughter of Babylon" Rome was a Democracy/Republic. Europe and America are also a Democracy/Republic. The eagle representing Rome is also representative of America. Thus, it's easily arguable that America/Europe are "daughters of Rome" which is the daughter of Babylon per Jeremiah 50:42 and 1 Peter 5:13. The fact that Vatican City still exists as a Roman nation inside in Rome, Italy only reinforces this argument. President Biden and Nancy Pelosi are both Roman Catholic. And when Trump was at that Al Smith charity dinner telling jokes and then proceeded to lambast the crowd, basically saying he's not one of them, Hillary Clinton was also there seated next to some interesting Catholic people. It's interesting that Trump chose that crowd to make that particular speech. Why a crowd of Roman Catholics? Because the world is run by them... that's why. America/Europe have spread their democracy throughout the world by force as it rules over planet earth with an iron fist. Putin himself even stated that their people don't want to be enslaved to America anymore. Revelation 17:18, that great city that rules the nations of the world. I argue that's today's Rome. You argue otherwise, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it as I am entitled to mine. Rome ceased to be a Republic in 27BC, from then until Constantinople was sacked in 1423 it was a autocratic empire. It's not the parallel you're hoping for. Then to say that America is modern Rome, which somehow is reinforced by the Vatican being in Italy? Huh? The eagle has been used by many nations, to include Russia. Rome wasn't Catholic in the time of Peter, so you really can't use that. And there was a time when all of post-Roman Europe was Catholic, so I doubt two politicians 3000 miles away fulfill a prophecy. Then you switch to arguing that Physical Rome fulfills Revelation 17? Dude you're all over the map. You're not making any logical sense. |
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Post by socalexile on Nov 11, 2022 9:46:36 GMT -6
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Post by socalexile on Nov 11, 2022 9:48:42 GMT -6
So this war is pretty much the end of Russia as a pretend superpower. Who's going to fill the void? Looks like Turkey. Prophecy marches on.
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Post by yardstick on Nov 13, 2022 12:01:55 GMT -6
So this war is pretty much the end of Russia as a pretend superpower. Who's going to fill the void? Looks like Turkey. Prophecy marches on. Except that I think most here believe (including me) that what I just said isnt really going to happen that way; because it will be pre-empted by Biblical events. However, barring said events, the global economic super powers you should expect to be seeing between now and 2050: 1. USA 2. France 3. Turkey 4. Argentina 5. Nigeria there may be one or two others, such as Japan, added to that. There will be regional-only super powers such as India. There will only a total of a dozen or so regional powers ; and all of the global list is... in that list. |
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Post by uscgvet on Jan 3, 2023 12:37:46 GMT -6
"Russia can't even deal with Ukraine" I guess that mean's power is out all over Russia and Ukraine's power is working just fine. Or is it the other way around? I forget. I hope you realize that should have been Russia's day 1 accomplishment. It's going on 9 months and no, they still haven't accomplished that. Mostly because their so-called 'precision guided munitions' are anything but. Now it's looking like Russia's days in Kherson are waning. I agree that the physical, historical Babylon is gone, but Peter still referenced Rome in his day as Babylon, even though Babylon didn't exist in his day. "the only arguable remnant of Imperial Rome is the Vatican" I disagree with this based on Jeremiah 50:42 "daughter of Babylon" Rome was a Democracy/Republic. Europe and America are also a Democracy/Republic. The eagle representing Rome is also representative of America. Thus, it's easily arguable that America/Europe are "daughters of Rome" which is the daughter of Babylon per Jeremiah 50:42 and 1 Peter 5:13. The fact that Vatican City still exists as a Roman nation inside in Rome, Italy only reinforces this argument. President Biden and Nancy Pelosi are both Roman Catholic. And when Trump was at that Al Smith charity dinner telling jokes and then proceeded to lambast the crowd, basically saying he's not one of them, Hillary Clinton was also there seated next to some interesting Catholic people. It's interesting that Trump chose that crowd to make that particular speech. Why a crowd of Roman Catholics? Because the world is run by them... that's why. America/Europe have spread their democracy throughout the world by force as it rules over planet earth with an iron fist. Putin himself even stated that their people don't want to be enslaved to America anymore. Revelation 17:18, that great city that rules the nations of the world. I argue that's today's Rome. You argue otherwise, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it as I am entitled to mine. Rome ceased to be a Republic in 27BC, from then until Constantinople was sacked in 1423 it was a autocratic empire. It's not the parallel you're hoping for. Then to say that America is modern Rome, which somehow is reinforced by the Vatican being in Italy? Huh? The eagle has been used by many nations, to include Russia. Rome wasn't Catholic in the time of Peter, so you really can't use that. And there was a time when all of post-Roman Europe was Catholic, so I doubt two politicians 3000 miles away fulfill a prophecy. Then you switch to arguing that Physical Rome fulfills Revelation 17? Dude you're all over the map. You're not making any logical sense. Jeremiah 25. I found it. God punishes the entire world through Nebuchadnezzar. God punishes the king of Babylon LAST! Jeremiah 25:26 "and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them" ------------ Normal history shows that the Medes destroy Babylon. Per Jeremiah 25, it's backwards. God destroys the Medes first, then the king of Babylon (The king of Sheshak - Sheshak is an encryption meaning Babylon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheshach ). Jeremiah 25:24-26 ------------ Jeremiah 25 is a direct threat against the entire planet (Jeremiah 25:30-33), of all nations, not just a small handful in the middle east per Jeremiah 25:26. This part of Jeremiah is not part of the 70 years, this is a dual fulfillment prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled yet. |
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Post by socalexile on May 3, 2023 8:35:33 GMT -6
I hope you realize that should have been Russia's day 1 accomplishment. It's going on 9 months and no, they still haven't accomplished that. Mostly because their so-called 'precision guided munitions' are anything but. Now it's looking like Russia's days in Kherson are waning. Rome ceased to be a Republic in 27BC, from then until Constantinople was sacked in 1423 it was a autocratic empire. It's not the parallel you're hoping for. Then to say that America is modern Rome, which somehow is reinforced by the Vatican being in Italy? Huh? The eagle has been used by many nations, to include Russia. Rome wasn't Catholic in the time of Peter, so you really can't use that. And there was a time when all of post-Roman Europe was Catholic, so I doubt two politicians 3000 miles away fulfill a prophecy. Then you switch to arguing that Physical Rome fulfills Revelation 17? Dude you're all over the map. You're not making any logical sense. Jeremiah 25. I found it. God punishes the entire world through Nebuchadnezzar. God punishes the king of Babylon LAST! Jeremiah 25:26 "and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them" ------------ Normal history shows that the Medes destroy Babylon. Per Jeremiah 25, it's backwards. God destroys the Medes first, then the king of Babylon (The king of Sheshak - Sheshak is an encryption meaning Babylon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheshach ). Jeremiah 25:24-26 ------------ Jeremiah 25 is a direct threat against the entire planet (Jeremiah 25:30-33), of all nations, not just a small handful in the middle east per Jeremiah 25:26. This part of Jeremiah is not part of the 70 years, this is a dual fulfillment prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled yet. All you're doing is trying to make the Bible fit what you want to happen, which is wicked. |
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