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Post by schooldad3 on Sept 11, 2022 23:31:08 GMT -6
What will happen to believers and blogs like unsealed (who have propagated the Russian Gog narrative like gospel truth) if the Russian federation collapses? Is the east being prepared for the rise of the Turkish lead Asrica to debut in 2023 ? They have been organizing since 2017 and if implemented they will have a federation of states that stretches from south America, into Africa, up through central Asia and ending in Indonesia. www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/ukraine-putin-russia/2022/09/11/id/1086981/Read more: Ukraine Sees Big Victories, Putin's Hold on Russia Now at Risk | Newsmax.com News max article : "I think we're looking at an event of world-shaking magnitude,"... " We need to prepare for the collapse of The Russian Federation "
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Post by Gary on Sept 12, 2022 13:14:21 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 16, 2022 17:34:00 GMT -6
We're also allowed to see some of these things in different light at different times in our walk woth the Lord. R Recall to yourself some of the things you have changed your mind on? I have changed mine on many things. No dogma going on here. We should hold our views loosely when trying to see prophecy develop in front of us (our eyes). Sometimes I can get a little excited about certain events. But need to also see that as I watch Russia begin to fall I can say "probably not Gog..." Or the (5) red heifer is once again being scrutinized. This happens every year. Does it mean anything? Yes, in the OT it sure did. Should it still today? Appreciate ypur content and sharing knowledge schooldad
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 23, 2022 19:27:29 GMT -6
What will happen to believers and blogs like unsealed (who have propagated the Russian Gog narrative like gospel truth) if the Russian federation collapses? Is the east being prepared for the rise of the Turkish lead Asrica to debut in 2023 ? They have been organizing since 2017 and if implemented they will have a federation of states that stretches from south America, into Africa, up through central Asia and ending in Indonesia. www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/ukraine-putin-russia/2022/09/11/id/1086981/Read more: Ukraine Sees Big Victories, Putin's Hold on Russia Now at Risk | Newsmax.com News max article : "I think we're looking at an event of world-shaking magnitude,"... " We need to prepare for the collapse of The Russian Federation " And what if the Russian Federation boldly attacks the US/EU first with a very strong first strike offensive and Babylon burns down within 1 hour? If I were Putin and faced extermination from the west, I would strike first and strike with all my might all at once.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 28, 2022 10:38:40 GMT -6
And what if the Russian Federation boldly attacks the US/EU first with a very strong first strike offensive and Babylon burns down within 1 hour? If I were Putin and faced extermination from the west, I would strike first and strike with all my might all at once. If that were viable, he (or a previous Soviet) would have already done it. All that would do is hasten his extermination.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 28, 2022 11:08:17 GMT -6
What Putin is doing right now is a desperate move.
His military has been kept weak for decades on purpose. The security state (ex-KGB, current FSB) rules the country and the military is its greatest threat. Therefore it stays underpaid, underequipped, under-maintained, and barely trained. The Mafia is used to keep the army weak, and any charismatic, capable commander is removed one way or another.
Putin is trying to kill two birds with one stone. The above practice has left his army incapable of performing the mission he set for it, and they've suffered more casualties in 7 months than the US did in 10 years of Vietnam. So he's keeping his main threat to power (the military) weak by trying to fill depleted units with conscripts from mass mobilization without any training or proper gear. The sooner they get to the front the less time they have to contemplate or organize an uprising against him. At the same time, he's desperately trying to prolong the war into winter hoping that increased energy prices break the resolve of NATO countries supplying Ukraine.
On top of it all, there are already reports of his specialist troops being pulled from their jobs and deployed as infantry: missileers*, navy, etc. These are troops he can't easily or quickly replace as they are technical fields - when anyone can pull a trigger. Then there are reports that they are recruiting/conscripting from prisons and using those guys as support/security troops in the rear. So in the end, it's going to be the sociopaths and psychopaths that live to parent what's left of the next generation.
It's a losing strategy in the long run. He's destroying what some already believed to be ethnic Russia's last generation.
*missileer is the name for troops that operate the ICBM/long-range missile systems, including nukes.
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 28, 2022 18:28:53 GMT -6
According to media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872886/-1/-1/1/2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDFNote: A source quoted to US Congress for actual intel per (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45861). page 8 (page 32 of the pdf) Putin has added hundreds of brand new (not decades old) Ground-Launched, Sea-Launched, and Air-Launched delivery systems of nuclear weapons over the past 10 years where the US has only added some Air-Launched abilities. This does not sound like a "military that has been kept weak for decades on purpose". I believe your sources are flawed. It's probably best not rely on arm-chair internet warriors that stream on YouTube for valid intel. Here is more on page 9 (page 33 pdf): "Russia possesses significant advantages in its nuclear weapons production capacity and in non-strategic nuclear forces over the U.S. and allies. It is also building a large, diverse, and modern set of non-strategic systems that are dual-capable (may be armed with nuclear or conventional weapons). " Putin doesn't have to have an overpaid, overequipped, over-maintained, and overly trained military. All Putin needs is an up-to-date nuclear deterrent to get Russia's opponents to stand down at the right time. Boots on the ground are just the steppingstones to get to where Putin wins in the end.... nuking NY, DC, LA, etc (Babylon).
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 28, 2022 18:35:48 GMT -6
What do you expect is going to happen when you have US Senators calling for the direct assassination of President Putin while they rape and pillage pro-Russian Ukrainian citizens?
You think he's just going to turn around and walk away?
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Post by socalexile on Sept 29, 2022 6:25:35 GMT -6
According to media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872886/-1/-1/1/2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDFNote: A source quoted to US Congress for actual intel per (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45861). page 8 (page 32 of the pdf) Putin has added hundreds of brand new (not decades old) Ground-Launched, Sea-Launched, and Air-Launched delivery systems of nuclear weapons over the past 10 years where the US has only added some Air-Launched abilities. This does not sound like a "military that has been kept weak for decades on purpose". I believe your sources are flawed. It's probably best not rely on arm-chair internet warriors that stream on YouTube for valid intel. Here is more on page 9 (page 33 pdf): "Russia possesses significant advantages in its nuclear weapons production capacity and in non-strategic nuclear forces over the U.S. and allies. It is also building a large, diverse, and modern set of non-strategic systems that are dual-capable (may be armed with nuclear or conventional weapons). " Putin doesn't have to have an overpaid, overequipped, over-maintained, and overly trained military. All Putin needs is an up-to-date nuclear deterrent to get Russia's opponents to stand down at the right time. Boots on the ground are just the steppingstones to get to where Putin wins in the end.... nuking NY, DC, LA, etc (Babylon). As if "overpaid, overequipped, over-maintained, and overly trained" is actually a disadvantage in a military. Russia's flagship, the Moskova, which is one of its nuclear delivery systems, was falling apart and not combat-worthy before the war began, according to its own maintenance report. Translated: docs.google.com/document/d/1v5bGYBs2S7vYlrCD8phIEO1WMM3SA2Sj7Rh8Zh4B4t8/edit Untranslated so cgvet can read it: docs.google.com/document/d/1lBqJ6Op8d3NFb8geSzTxTAyP3Y1_MtRt4DWlXrxX5f0/edit ETA: you're also cherry-picking the document and adding in details that aren't there, like the amount of actual delivery systems Putin has added since 2010 (some of which has been used in Ukraine) when the graphic just indicates the types. Note this does not mean the US has no corresponding capability at all, nor is it meant to be the overall assessment of Russian nuke capability, it's just comparing the types of delivery systems added since 2010. You're inferring a lot more than is actually there, as usual. You should read page 16 onwards. This document is not a comprehensive review of Russian nuclear capability, it's an assessment of US capability; as stated in the opening: "On January 27, 2017, the President directed the Department of Defense to conduct a new Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) to ensure a safe, secure, and effective nuclear deterrent that protects the homeland, assures allies and above all, deters adversaries. This review comes at a critical moment in our nation’s history, for America confronts an international security situation that is more complex and demanding than any since the end of the Cold War. In this environment, it is not possible to delay modernization of our nuclear forces if we are to preserve a credible nuclear deterrent—ensuring that our diplomats continue to speak from a position of strength on matters of war and peace."
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Post by socalexile on Sept 29, 2022 6:35:49 GMT -6
LOL:
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 29, 2022 6:44:01 GMT -6
According to media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872886/-1/-1/1/2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDFNote: A source quoted to US Congress for actual intel per (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45861). page 8 (page 32 of the pdf) Putin has added hundreds of brand new (not decades old) Ground-Launched, Sea-Launched, and Air-Launched delivery systems of nuclear weapons over the past 10 years where the US has only added some Air-Launched abilities. This does not sound like a "military that has been kept weak for decades on purpose". I believe your sources are flawed. It's probably best not rely on arm-chair internet warriors that stream on YouTube for valid intel. Here is more on page 9 (page 33 pdf): "Russia possesses significant advantages in its nuclear weapons production capacity and in non-strategic nuclear forces over the U.S. and allies. It is also building a large, diverse, and modern set of non-strategic systems that are dual-capable (may be armed with nuclear or conventional weapons). " Putin doesn't have to have an overpaid, overequipped, over-maintained, and overly trained military. All Putin needs is an up-to-date nuclear deterrent to get Russia's opponents to stand down at the right time. Boots on the ground are just the steppingstones to get to where Putin wins in the end.... nuking NY, DC, LA, etc (Babylon). If your going to post quotes and links, you should be honest and use quotes that are actually in the documents you post. LOL I am honest in my quotes. This report to Congress (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45861) quotes from the 2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDF as a source on page 1 (page 5 of PDF). The quote numbers are 6 & 7 as denoted on the page.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 29, 2022 6:52:42 GMT -6
If your going to post quotes and links, you should be honest and use quotes that are actually in the documents you post. LOL I am honest in my quotes. This report to Congress (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45861) quotes from the 2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDF as a source on page 1 (page 5 of PDF). The quote numbers are 6 & 7 as denoted on the page. I was referring to "Putin has added hundreds of brand new (not decades old) Ground-Launched, Sea-Launched, and Air-Launched delivery systems of nuclear weapons over the past 10 years where the US has only added some Air-Launched abilities" which isn't an actual quote, but something you assumed and added. My bad; technically not a quote but still inserting your own bias into the document. I've edited and pointed out the flaws in your reading of that document above. Here it is again: As if "overpaid, overequipped, over-maintained, and overly trained" is actually a disadvantage in a military. Russia's flagship, the Moskova, which is one of its nuclear delivery systems, was falling apart and not combat-worthy before the war began, according to its own maintenance report. Translated: docs.google.com/document/d/1v5bGYBs2S7vYlrCD8phIEO1WMM3SA2Sj7Rh8Zh4B4t8/edit Untranslated so cgvet can read it: docs.google.com/document/d/1lBqJ6Op8d3NFb8geSzTxTAyP3Y1_MtRt4DWlXrxX5f0/edit ETA: you're also cherry-picking the document and adding in details that aren't there, like the amount of actual delivery systems Putin has added since 2010 (some of which has been used in Ukraine) when the graphic just indicates the types. Note this does not mean the US has no corresponding capability at all, nor is it meant to be the overall assessment of Russian nuke capability, it's just comparing the types of delivery systems added since 2010. You're inferring a lot more than is actually there, as usual. You should read page 16 onwards. This document is not a comprehensive review of Russian nuclear capability, it's an assessment of US capability deterrence ; as stated in the opening: "On January 27, 2017, the President directed the Department of Defense to conduct a new Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) to ensure a safe, secure, and effective nuclear deterrent that protects the homeland, assures allies and above all, deters adversaries. This review comes at a critical moment in our nation’s history, for America confronts an international security situation that is more complex and demanding than any since the end of the Cold War. In this environment, it is not possible to delay modernization of our nuclear forces if we are to preserve a credible nuclear deterrent—ensuring that our diplomats continue to speak from a position of strength on matters of war and peace."
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 29, 2022 8:58:23 GMT -6
Sorry, The statement on hundreds is from another document from NTI.org where they cover the number of tests being in the hundreds for these new systems. For tests to be in the hundreds, hundreds of products must have been created, so I took a little bit of leeway on making that statement. I apologize for adding that additional truth without quoting. That was my mistake. www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NTI-Hruby_FINAL.pdf---------------------- My main point wasn't a comprehensive assessment of Russia's nuke capabilities, but more to the point that Russia would take a first strike stance, and that they have the capability to carry out that threat with newly created equipment that isn't decades old. Soldiers on the ground are meaningless in such an attack. Most of these documents I've review all point to Russia holding a first strike position. Look, one example: media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872886/-1/-1/1/2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDFPage 30 (Page 54 pdf) " Moscow threatens and exercises limited nuclear first use, suggesting a mistaken expectation that coercive nuclear threats or limited first use could paralyze the United States and NATO and thereby end a conflict on terms favorable to Russia. Some in the United States refer to this as Russia’s “escalate to de-escalate” doctrine. " There are other reports with the same conclusion of Russia's "escalate to de-escalate" doctrine. Russia would strike first.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 29, 2022 12:01:00 GMT -6
Sorry, The statement on hundreds is from another document from NTI.org where they cover the number of tests being in the hundreds for these new systems. For tests to be in the hundreds, hundreds of products must have been created, so I took a little bit of leeway on making that statement. I apologize for adding that additional truth without quoting. That was my mistake. www.nti.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NTI-Hruby_FINAL.pdf---------------------- My main point wasn't a comprehensive assessment of Russia's nuke capabilities, but more to the point that Russia would take a first strike stance, and that they have the capability to carry out that threat with newly created equipment that isn't decades old. Soldiers on the ground are meaningless in such an attack. Most of these documents I've review all point to Russia holding a first strike position. Look, one example: media.defense.gov/2018/Feb/02/2001872886/-1/-1/1/2018-NUCLEAR-POSTURE-REVIEW-FINALREPORT.PDFPage 30 (Page 54 pdf) " Moscow threatens and exercises limited nuclear first use, suggesting a mistaken expectation that coercive nuclear threats or limited first use could paralyze the United States and NATO and thereby end a conflict on terms favorable to Russia. Some in the United States refer to this as Russia’s “escalate to de-escalate” doctrine. " There are other reports with the same conclusion of Russia's "escalate to de-escalate" doctrine. Russia would strike first. Again, you're reading into the documents you're linking as sources. Assuming that "hundreds of tests" = hundreds of missiles is a assumption and a logical leap if that is not your area of expertise, which it isn't. ETA: we went over this before - every missile is technically "hypersonic", so it's really not the scare word that NTI wants it to be. Did you bother to look up the missiles named in the graphic you cited on page 8 of your first linked document? Turns out many of those were used up for conventional strikes in Ukraine, and if the flagship of the Black Fleet is any indication, the rest may not be capable of being launched. BTW they also found duds that used tech sourced from the west. The Russians can't build their own missiles from scratch, they can only assemble them at best. Numbers are meaningless. It's the same as Russia claiming they have 13,000 tanks. They might have the hulls in a yard in Siberia, but they aren't going anywhere. That's why they're using T-62s. They don't actually have more than a few thousand deployable tanks, and many of those are obsolete - not that their newest T-90 is going to be all that effective in the hands of a bunch of untrained, undersupplied, and unmotivated conscripts. Lastly, you're cherry-picking quotes again, as if right under your quote is a statement on how the US can deter a first strike. Not to mention this from page 8 which you cited earlier: "...[Russia] mistakenly assesses that the threat of nuclear escalation or actual first use of nuclear weapons would serve to “de-escalate” a conflict on terms favorable to Russia. These mistaken perceptions increase the prospect for dangerous miscalculation and escalation." Page 30: "The U.S. deterrent tailored to Russia, therefore, will be capable of holding at risk, under all conditions, what Russia’s leadership most values. It will pose insurmountable difficulties to any Russian strategy of aggression against the United States, its allies, or partners and ensure the credible prospect of unacceptably dire costs to the Russian leadership if it were to choose aggression." I would suggest you actually read and absorb the entire document you cite, instead of copypasta from whatever Russian source you get this BS from and interpret through your own poor reading of the Bible.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 29, 2022 12:06:04 GMT -6
One more thing. "Hundreds of missiles" isn't **** when Russia has easily burned through that many in the first week of the war with Ukraine.
ETA: the more I actually read the sources cgvet provides the more I'm convinced he's not intellectually honest. The documents do not come to the conclusions, or are not actually making the point that he's trying to force them to.
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