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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 10:57:43 GMT -6
Ukraine joining forces with NATO is a direct threat to the Russian's way of life. It's not of peace, the motive is one of war; Ukraine wants full NATO protection as it invades the newly annexed land that Russia has acquired. Joining NATO is a move nations do to deter Russia from doing exactly what they're doing now. They can bloviate about being threatened all they want but the fact is they justified NATOs existence with this war and undermined their own argument by being the aggressor. Russia is doing what they claim NATO and Ukraine are. Yes, Russia is forcefully seizing land, but I thought you said Russia was inept, incapable of winning this war? 50 year old+ weapons, aged bullets, failing equipment. How are they killing thousands (or more) with nothing to fight with? I thought you said they were losing. How is it possible that they annexed the land without a means to fight? I didn't say they were "without a means to fight", I'm saying they aren't living up to their own hype and failing at basic tasks. A lot of pro-Russian propaganda videos might look cool to civilians but look like a circus to professionals. And in case you haven't been paying attention, there's a slaughter going on in the last 24hours as the Russians try to escape encirclement in Lyman and are getting cut down like Germany did in the Falaise pocket. Not to mention what happened earlier last month: I'm not calling anything evil or good. This is God's show, I'm just sitting back waiting for it to pan out. Oh spare me. You tried to claim that Russia was fighting Babylon, and have been parroting Russian propaganda for months.
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 11:03:28 GMT -6
Whoa! Interesting Tweet from one of the attendees. I'll post some Bible quotes later on this attendee's thoughts. Edits below as I get to them: Isaiah 10:6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. So you're saying that Russia is Babylon again, lol. Read the context of that quote, you're confused and just pulling Bible verses out of context to proof-text your own eisegesis, again.
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 11:07:06 GMT -6
Ukraine joining forces with NATO is a direct threat to the Russian's way of life. It's not of peace, the motive is one of war; Ukraine wants full NATO protection as it invades the newly annexed land that Russia has acquired. Joining NATO is a move nations do to deter Russia from doing exactly what they're doing now. They can bloviate about being threatened all they want but the fact is they justified NATOs existence with this war and undermined their own argument by being the aggressor. Yes, Russia is forcefully seizing land, but I thought you said Russia was inept, incapable of winning this war? 50 year old+ weapons, aged bullets, failing equipment. How are they killing thousands (or more) with nothing to fight with? I thought you said they were losing. How is it possible that they annexed the land without a means to fight? I didn't say they were "without a means to fight", I'm saying they aren't living up to their own hype and failing at basic tasks. A lot of pro-Russian propaganda videos might look cool to civilians but look like a circus to professionals. And in case you haven't been paying attention, there's a slaughter going on in the last 24hours as the Russians try to escape encirclement in Lyman and are getting cut down like Germany did in the Falaise pocket. Not to mention what happened earlier last month: I'm not calling anything evil or good. This is God's show, I'm just sitting back waiting for it to pan out. Oh spare me. You tried to claim that Russia was fighting Babylon, and have been parroting Russian propaganda for months. Yes, Russia fighting Babylon, which was an allusion to the Old Testament (in many OT scrolls, like Isaiah 10), you should have picked up on the allusion that the Assyrian is likened to Putin. The allusion of Putin being used as God's instrument just as the Assyrian is in Isaiah 10. I don't believe you understand that the aggressor is God... He has His reasons for being the aggressor, He listed them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in the Bible.
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 11:12:44 GMT -6
Joining NATO is a move nations do to deter Russia from doing exactly what they're doing now. They can bloviate about being threatened all they want but the fact is they justified NATOs existence with this war and undermined their own argument by being the aggressor. I didn't say they were "without a means to fight", I'm saying they aren't living up to their own hype and failing at basic tasks. A lot of pro-Russian propaganda videos might look cool to civilians but look like a circus to professionals. And in case you haven't been paying attention, there's a slaughter going on in the last 24hours as the Russians try to escape encirclement in Lyman and are getting cut down like Germany did in the Falaise pocket. Not to mention what happened earlier last month: Oh spare me. You tried to claim that Russia was fighting Babylon, and have been parroting Russian propaganda for months. Yes, Russia fighting Babylon, which was an allusion to the Old Testament (in many OT scrolls, like Isaiah 10), you should have picked up on the allusion that the Assyrian is likened to Putin. The allusion of Putin being used as God's instrument just as the Assyrian is in Isaiah 10. I don't believe you understand that the aggressor is God... He has His reasons for being the aggressor, He listed them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in the Bible. You're a loon. This isn't the Old Testament and we aren't under the Old Covenant. You're not even presenting a consistent theological argument. You're just citing a verse that fits what you want to happen, which is completely detached from reality. Again, calling evil good and good evil. ETA:
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 11:14:20 GMT -6
Whoa! Interesting Tweet from one of the attendees. I'll post some Bible quotes later on this attendee's thoughts. Edits below as I get to them: Isaiah 10:6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. So you're saying that Russia is Babylon again, lol. Read the context of that quote, you're confused and just pulling Bible verses out of context to proof-text your own eisegesis, again. No. I'm making the allusion that US/EU represent Babylon and that Russia represents Assyria (Isaiah 10 - 13).
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 11:18:22 GMT -6
Yes, Russia fighting Babylon, which was an allusion to the Old Testament (in many OT scrolls, like Isaiah 10), you should have picked up on the allusion that the Assyrian is likened to Putin. The allusion of Putin being used as God's instrument just as the Assyrian is in Isaiah 10. I don't believe you understand that the aggressor is God... He has His reasons for being the aggressor, He listed them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in the Bible. You're a loon. This isn't the Old Testament and we aren't under the Old Covenant. You're not even presenting a consistent theological argument. You're just citing a verse that fits what you want to happen. Again, calling evil good and good evil. You do realize that Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, John, and Jude all quoted the Old Testament, in many cases over and over and over and over again as "types and shadows" for Christians right? We are not under the works of the law of moses, but all of the prophecy of the prophets and the law will be fulfilled as Christ stated many times. Prophecy that is at a world-wide scale per Luke 21:35. All of this was given in detail in the Old Testament and summarized and pointed to in the New Testament.
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 11:19:39 GMT -6
So you're saying that Russia is Babylon again, lol. Read the context of that quote, you're confused and just pulling Bible verses out of context to proof-text your own eisegesis, again. No. I'm making the allusion that US/EU represent Babylon and that Russia represents Assyria (Isaiah 10 - 13). Babylon represented Babylon and Assyria represented Assyria. Babylon did not arm Israel to fight the Assyrians in Isaiah. There is no parallel here, no matter how much you want to believe there is.
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 11:23:24 GMT -6
No. I'm making the allusion that US/EU represent Babylon and that Russia represents Assyria (Isaiah 10 - 13). Babylon represented Babylon and Assyria represented Assyria. Babylon did not arm Israel to fight the Assyrians in Isaiah. There is no parallel here, no matter how much you want to believe there is. I'm not the one who's lost here. Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. This hasn't happened yet. Babylon in the ancient times is not "the world". Isaiah is a Prophet talking about the end of days.
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 11:23:29 GMT -6
You're a loon. This isn't the Old Testament and we aren't under the Old Covenant. You're not even presenting a consistent theological argument. You're just citing a verse that fits what you want to happen. Again, calling evil good and good evil. You do realize that Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, John, and Jude all quoted the Old Testament, in many cases over and over and over and over again as "types and shadows" for Christians right? We are not under the works of the law of moses, but all of the prophecy of the prophets and the law will be fulfilled as Christ stated many times. Prophecy that is at a world-wide scale per Luke 21. All of this was given in detail in the Old Testament and summarized and pointed to in the New Testament. That doesn't mean you get to make up your own "types and shadows" based on your own newspaper eisegesis that ignores inconsistent and contradicting details. This what you sound with stuff like this, to other Christians:
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 11:26:24 GMT -6
Babylon represented Babylon and Assyria represented Assyria. Babylon did not arm Israel to fight the Assyrians in Isaiah. There is no parallel here, no matter how much you want to believe there is. I'm not the one who's lost here. Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. This hasn't happened yet. Babylon in the ancient times is not "the world". Isaiah is a Prophet talking about the end of days. That's it, ignore the inconvenient details and make sweeping claims using verses that don't prove what you are saying is true. The issue is that what is going on now is inconsistent with what you are claiming in your "types and shadows" argument. Just because Isaiah 13:11 is true doesn't mean it pertains to the war in Ukraine any more than it pertained to the Battle of Agincourt.
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 11:44:52 GMT -6
I'm not the one who's lost here. Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. This hasn't happened yet. Babylon in the ancient times is not "the world". Isaiah is a Prophet talking about the end of days. That's it, ignore the inconvenient details and make sweeping claims using verses that don't prove what you are saying is true. The issue is that what is going on now is inconsistent with what you are claiming in your "types and shadows" argument. Just because Isaiah 13:11 is true doesn't mean it pertains to the war in Ukraine any more than it pertained to the Battle of Agincourt. Curious... how do you define "the world"?
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 11:47:10 GMT -6
You do realize that Jesus, Peter, Paul, James, John, and Jude all quoted the Old Testament, in many cases over and over and over and over again as "types and shadows" for Christians right? We are not under the works of the law of moses, but all of the prophecy of the prophets and the law will be fulfilled as Christ stated many times. Prophecy that is at a world-wide scale per Luke 21. All of this was given in detail in the Old Testament and summarized and pointed to in the New Testament. That doesn't mean you get to make up your own "types and shadows" based on your own newspaper eisegesis that ignores inconsistent and contradicting details. This what you sound with stuff like this, to other Christians: Do you disbelieve that there will be a 2nd coming of Christ? If Putin and Xi gets into a nuke war with the West and obliterates a large part of the planet, wouldn't that fall under what the Old Testament described many times?
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 12:00:59 GMT -6
That doesn't mean you get to make up your own "types and shadows" based on your own newspaper eisegesis that ignores inconsistent and contradicting details. This what you sound with stuff like this, to other Christians: Do you disbelieve that there will be a 2nd coming of Christ? If Putin and Xi gets into a nuke war with the West and obliterates a large part of the planet, wouldn't that fall under what the Old Testament described many times? Stop deflecting to euphemistic arguments. You're saying that Russia = Assyria and US/EU = Babylon; so that would imply that Ukraine = Israel (ignoring that Judah is also a relevant nation at the time of Isaiah). Yet you claim Russia is going to destroy the US/EU, so please show me in Isaiah 10-13 where Assyria destroys Babylon.
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Post by socalexile on Oct 1, 2022 12:01:57 GMT -6
That's it, ignore the inconvenient details and make sweeping claims using verses that don't prove what you are saying is true. The issue is that what is going on now is inconsistent with what you are claiming in your "types and shadows" argument. Just because Isaiah 13:11 is true doesn't mean it pertains to the war in Ukraine any more than it pertained to the Battle of Agincourt. Curious... how do you define "the world"? That's an intellectually dishonest question.
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Post by uscgvet on Oct 1, 2022 14:02:59 GMT -6
Do you disbelieve that there will be a 2nd coming of Christ? If Putin and Xi gets into a nuke war with the West and obliterates a large part of the planet, wouldn't that fall under what the Old Testament described many times? Stop deflecting to euphemistic arguments. You're saying that Russia = Assyria and US/EU = Babylon; so that would imply that Ukraine = Israel (ignoring that Judah is also a relevant nation at the time of Isaiah). Yet you claim Russia is going to destroy the US/EU, so please show me in Isaiah 10-13 where Assyria destroys Babylon. No, Israel is disbursed into the nations, particularly "Babylon", but basically everywhere. "Come out of her My people" ring a bell? Out of where? "The Assyrian" destroys "Babylon" in Isaiah Chapter 14. Take note of Isaiah Chapter 14:26 " This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations." I take it, God didn't really mean "the whole earth", nor did God mean "upon all the nations"? He probably really just meant that little bit of sand in the middle east ... somewhere in that general area? Maybe God is being, how did you put it? "Intellectually dishonest"...
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