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Post by disciple4life on Oct 1, 2021 9:35:11 GMT -6
Hello friends, inaweofhim, mike, boraddict, yardstick, Natalie, sog, I'm also very curious to know Natalie's take. I'm not sure the calendar is off. I've seen some very compelling things thst support both sides. Unfortunately, I don't know all the StarryNight and Stellarium software stuff, but heres my 2 cents. 😉 It doesn't affect the past blood moon tetrads because they are past and are a sort of warning sign. It would affect the day counts stuff that were accurate 2 years ago, or 3 for example simply because we're adding 30 days. Going forward it doesn't change or affect anything because they have to add an extra leap month about every 2 1/2 years. It's 7 times in 19 years and there's a very precise timing. It corresponds to the black keys on a piano starting at middle C, count 19 keys total, white and black. The 7 black keys go in a unique pattern of 2 and 3. Google Metonic cycle. It should be noted that the Jews are not following the method God gave them, so it should not be a surprise at all if it's off. It should be a surprise really that it's not off. *Also God put the constellations and planets in the sky to be a gospel story in the stars and to be the indicator for "Times and Seasons". This is a set phrase in scripture and it does not mean seasons like Spring, summer, fall, but seasons being "moedim" or appointed times. There are regular repeating patterns and every spring the moon and sun are in the same place in the astronomical map or timeclock. This is another reason why they say it's off- in the Hebrew month of Tishrei, we see special rare alignments that occur every 20 years or 50 years and the Revelation 12 sign was one with a half dozen special conditions that don't occur together. The last time it happened was 2017, and then 2000 years before that about 4BC. The sun should be in the constellation Virgo and the moon under her feet and a crown of 9 stars at her head. This is like 3 of the 6 special conditions that happen every several years, and the other 3 or 4 all together are like 2x in the history of the world. Even if someone could prove with astronomical data and quantum physics that the calendar IS NOT off, it still doesn't change the fact that this is a Schmita year (last one of 7 in the cycle) and next year ( Sept, 2022) a new 7 year cycle begins. Hope that helps, makes sense. ** Another rare condition that so many are looking at is that there is the Draconian meteor shower happens this year, on Ict 6th and 7th, which is another key element in the Revelation 12 sign. |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 1, 2021 10:53:53 GMT -6
I am not sure it's off, but I am also not sure it's not off.  (For this year) I do know that they celebrated everything two days early this year. They started Trumpets on Sept 6th, but the moon was not sighted until the 8th. So that means Atonement was early and so was Tabernacles. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 4, 2021 22:38:23 GMT -6
Natalie, Natalie i know that you specifically mentioned that you had heard something about how the 1335 days goes in the second half. I think I found it and it's just so phenomenal. In an earlier post I mentioned how that we add the day counts from Daniel and Revelation, 1260 days +1290 days=2550 days or 7 prophetic years. (In case someone missed that.) I have not plugged in these newest numbers into timeanddate.com for next year yet, but I plugged them into this year. I have not heard any theory anywhere as to what the significance is of the 1335 day count before now. Remember that from this Oct 7th and 8th, as a starting date and we add the 3 1/2 years it falls on the feast of unleavened bread. (Passover is one day- always the Full Moon, and the very next day is the start of the 7 day feast of unleavened bread. These two back to back are listed as Passover.) If we go from the feast of unleavened bread and then add the 1335 day count, it takes us exactly to Hannukah 2028. Which is the Festival of Lights and also the Feast of Dedication of the Temple. This is just in time for the Dedication of the 4th Temple which Christ builds in the 1000 year Sabbath millennial reign. Needless to say, it blew me away... the precision of these day counts all perfectly landing on feast days, really bolstered my faith and conviction. Maranatha🙏 Disciple4life
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2021 7:06:56 GMT -6
disciple4life I heard this one someplace before. If the resurrection isnt on Thursday night this week, it could be the first day of the 70th week
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 5, 2021 7:27:04 GMT -6
mike. I get why it could be this Thursday or Friday ( corresponds to the high watch date of the alleged true Feast of Trumpets due to the agenda being off one month). But I don't get the next part at all? 1st day of the 70th week. ? Its believed by many that the resurrection/harpazo is THE catalyst or big event that starts the clock of the 70th week. But its the thought that the rapture is the trigger. [ of course we have these exact day counts] which means that something makes the first Domino fall. I'm wishing hoping that its this week, but more inclined to believe Mark Biltz is right- Next Sept, because that starts the new 7 year Schmita cycle. I guess you mean something else? I'm dying to know. Heheh.
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2021 8:28:24 GMT -6
mike . I get why it could be this Thursday or Friday ( corresponds to the high watch date of the alleged true Feast of Trumpets due to the agenda being off one month). But I don't get the next part at all? 1st day of the 70th week. ? Its believed by many that the resurrection/harpazo is THE catalyst or big event that starts the clock of the 70th week. But its the thought that the rapture is the trigger. [ of course we have these exact day counts] which means that something makes the first Domino fall. I'm wishing hoping that its this week, but more inclined to believe Mark Biltz is right- Next Sept, because that starts the new 7 year Schmita cycle. I guess you mean something else? I'm dying to know. Heheh. I dont believe the resurrection starts the 70th week, but you do. All Im saying is that if the rapture is not before the tribulation and the way the dates line up with the feasts/festivals then it still holds a strong possibility to being the 70th week, just not the way you think it is. We do have a similar discussion every September around FoT & YK...and I am of the persuasion that the timing will align with those feasts, just not in the same order as you bro. Resurrection is after the AoD and we'll be able to look back and understand when the 70th week started. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 5, 2021 9:05:25 GMT -6
mike, thanks, my friend.😉 I read the clause "it could be the first day of the 70th week" and I thought that clause was referring back to the harpazo, but now I see the intended meaning. Let's go with the theory that the harpazo is after the AOD,for a minute. In this scenario, do you think there is a ginornormous trigger event that starts the day count clock, something huge like multinational attack on Israel, Ezekiel 38 war, or do you think it's just starts on some day and we go 5 months into it or 1 year before people even know?
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2021 11:11:51 GMT -6
disciple4life -just to be clear in case i'm not (i have a habit of doing that - just ask my wife  ) for several years I held a similar hope, the rapture would be occurring in September around the time of FoT. Never was I more hopeful than in 2017, yet continued to look in 18 & 19, but when 20 came after a few years of studying contemplating and such my view on the arrangement of timing changed. While I still do hold that the resurrection/rapture will likely occur on FoT, I just see it later in the timeline. Now I am nowhere settled and dug in on the view or how things time out during that time frame however as I currently see the situation. Take the timeline you've proposed as an example. If work backwards with the 1335 from Hanukkah on Dec 12, 2028... 45 days prior would be October 28, 2028 (this would be day 1290) and 30 days prior to that is Sept 28, 2028 which is Yom Kippur. I think you knew this already but this date for YK would be 1260 after April 17, 2025, which is in the midst of Passover...Could the AoD happen during Passover - sure it could, why not Take another 1260 from that date and arrive at Nov 4th 2021. While I am not convinced that we will know the 70th week has begun, we will be able to back into it like above example (*disclaimer - I am NOT saying these are the dates of anything but they could have meaning, we just dont know). Another thing to consider is that most of the later views like pre-wrath hold post 6th seal but that the timing of the resurrection is not defined to my knowledge. When analyzing this type of window, it is small but does fulfill "no one knows the day or hour". Could be a year before the end of the 7 or months, I am not certain on that right now. Kinda dont need to know either. I'm writing this a little hurried, sorry!
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Post by Gary on Oct 5, 2021 15:34:20 GMT -6
Food for thought: the Pope's 7-year Laudato si' Action Plan was scheduled to begin yesterday, but has been pushed to November 14th allowing for "40 days of preparation." I don't think this is the Dan. 9 covenant, nor do I think the Pope is the AC, but it could be a strange close alignment with the timing of the actual Dan. 9 agreement.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 5, 2021 16:52:50 GMT -6
Food for thought: the Pope's 7-year Laudato si' Action Plan was scheduled to begin yesterday, but has been pushed to November 14th allowing for "40 days of preparation." I don't think this is the Dan. 9 covenant, nor do I think the Pope is the AC, but it could be a strange close alignment with the timing of the actual Dan. 9 agreement. Yes, Gary, very good point. Daniel 9:27 Berean Study Bible " And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.” Literal Standard Version And he has strengthened a covenant with many [for] one period of seven, and [in] the midst of the period of seven he causes sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even until the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.” Aramaic Bible in Plain English And he shall strengthen the covenant with many, one week and half of a week, and he shall cancel sacrifice and offering, and upon the wings of abomination destruction shall rest upon the desolation until the end of the judgments I'm quite sure you're aware of this, but others following this thread, may not be. The Hebrew word here, is hig-BIR, and the word means to strengthen or improve. We see this here in the LSV and also the Aramaic, and JD Farag, who is Christian Arab pastor said that this word in Hebrew is the exact same word as in his native Arabic Language. [He was born in Beirut Lebanon, but his father is Egyptian and his mother is Jordanian. ] This is a very significant point because many read the passage and they think that the AC will make the covenant, but when we understand the real meaning of this word - which only occurs in this passage, it could be that the 7 year covenant it made by the Pope, or the False Prophet, or another world leader, and then the AC strengthens an existing covenant, not originally made by him. |
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Post by tennessean on Oct 14, 2021 5:41:44 GMT -6
The timing of the rapture, before the tribulation period, which is the last of the 7 years of the special dispensation as given to Daniel the prophet.
This scripture is given in Daniel,
Daniel 8:23
“And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.”
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20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. 23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. 26And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
So, when do the transgressors come to the full, is it not here in the book of micah,
Micah 7:2
“The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net.”
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1Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit. 2The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net. 3That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up. 4The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity. 5Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.
Now if you look again at this verse,
“And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.”
So we have the good man that has perished out of the earth, The RAPTURE
after the rapture has taken place, the AC rises to power,
"a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.”
I had a Jewish friend on another board had this included with his avatar which was the word "apostasia"
how weird, I thought, that he used that word,until I found out, there are those that believe "apostasia" means simply a departure from the faith, whilst the other argument supports the position that "apostasia" means a literal departure, in this case, The Rapture.
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Post by venge on Oct 14, 2021 6:27:28 GMT -6
tennessean , You said, When you referenced Micah 7', there was more context to be added. For you to say that all good people are gone (raptured) is not in the context. As a matter of fact, the person sits in this darkness. They see the wickedness around them. They also acknowledge that while in this mess, God will plead their cause and "execute judgment" for them. This man will be saved as going through it. His enemies are God's enemies and they will be destroyed (being the ones trodden down) yet he will be saved (he's not counted as being trodden down). Therefore we know from the context that good people will exist and will be there in bad times and will be saved out of it just as Noah, Lot, Moses, Rahab, Job, Paul and many others were saved out times of problems or extreme widespread persecution. The other part was: The idea God will visit them was foretold by these watchman and they didnt believe it. How many times was this trumpet sounded by various watchman appointed by God? Yet the people didnt listen to them, instead they turn to the false prophets that say "peace and safety". It is those in darkness that dont hear the trumpet's and it is those in darkness that will suffer. Those in the light, as this man was, wasnt in darkness that the day would come as a surprise; yet he went through it. It did not overtake him. "While he sat in darkness, the Lord was his light". So that when the thief comes, he is protected by God because he is of the light and not darkness.
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Post by mike on Oct 14, 2021 8:06:26 GMT -6
tennessean - please realize that thread is to discuss the timing of the rapture. While it is clear from your post, which view you currently hold, not everyone concurs with you. Please take care to demonstrate your view without making definitive statements since such statements have yet to occur and therefore cannot be spoken of as such. In the view you likely hold the rapture is before the tribulation, but not all adhere to this. In fact nowhere in scripture does it state this as you do. We have 1-2 verses that speak of the catching up of those who are alive and remain...When are they alive? and remaining until what? remain until the coming of the Lord...when does this is the conversation. Please display the verse or verses that cause you to arrive at the conclusion of the rapture being before the tribulation. This passage was written to those in Thessalonian who thought they had missed the resurrection and coming of the Lord. I'm going to paraphrase Paul in the Mike version "No! You wont miss this, how could you. The dead will rise when the King of Life appears from heaven with praise from the heavenly host of angels and His voice like a trumpet. If you happen to be alive, remaining you'll be caught up with the dead. You cannot miss this event" - this passage is not about the rapture, rather about the dead rising but we who wish to not die have made it so much more than it was intended to be. I would say of this portion of scripture that we are living in a time like this right now, but to insert that good men are perished from the earth is the rapture is eisegesis. The context here nothing to do with the resurrection at all. The word perish is abad = annihilate, annihilated, been lost, broken, corrupts - none of this ties with our blessed hope, sorry brother. Similarly there are many (on this site as well!) who mishandle the word apostasia and completely butcher the word to fit the desire of their heart. The word is a departure from the faith and if read properly, in the context of the verse it is very clear that it means departing from the faith. How could it mean rapture which also includes resurrection...Lets see how it reads with the mishandled application that so many are pushing for: How can the resurrection happen before the resurrection happens? the plain, simple reading of the text shows us that before the Lord comes apostacy comes first. We are literally witnessing this in many (so called) churches today. Earlier in 1 Thes Paul comforts the believers there that they hadnt missed the resurrection. Later he reaffirms this advising that the resurrection wont happen until the falling away (which comes first) AND the man of lawlessness is revealed. Apostacy is apostacy brothers and sisters. We need to stop believing the lies and promoting them.
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Post by mike on Oct 14, 2021 14:34:25 GMT -6
From the shoutbox
Im not sure I fully understand what DOTL/TIME vs Lord means. In the interest of the comment I posted it here for others to see in case you miss the shoutbox.
Wonder if Rusty means the Trib cant begin until the apostacy comes first? Or the rapture comes first which is not what the text says or alludes to.
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Post by venge on Oct 14, 2021 16:12:15 GMT -6
2 Thessalonians has 2 parts. I know we have all read this many times, but I will post regardless.
Christ coming is linked with our gathering to him, what I'd say is the resurrection of the dead.
They were told or heard that the DotL was near, at hand or present because they were most likely going through persecution.
Verse 3 tells us Christ coming with our gathering to him (resurrection/rapture) will happen, but not till we see signs.
1. a apostasia (departure from faith/God's truth/God's commandments/Christ teachings)
2. and the Antichrist must be revealed
They are 2 prerequisites to our gathering to Him.
Verse 8 links the coming, the same coming with our gathering together to him (resurrection/rapture)( and same context) with Christ destroying Antichrist when he is revealed; which demonstrates that we are there for that. What people keep forgetting is the DotL is darkness to those that dwell in darkness.
The DotL will not overtake those that belong to Christ. It will not be darkness to us because we have the light of the Lord. We do not need to be removed from it. God protects us in it because we are children of the light. Do not mistake the DotL as being 1 singular event of destruction for mankind. Because we are of the day, the DotL will not hurt us when it comes and we are in it.
The confusion lays in understand what the DotL is and what parts are wrath and how the wrath portions do not affect those in the light. You all agree the 144k are protected because they are sealed with the HS as we are sealed with the HS. Those in the light are there to pull others from the fire, to wash them, to preach to them, to turn them white. They are the final testimony to the inhabitants of the earth that all may be judged and convicted by their evil deeds to those that did not deserve to die.
I cant see how it can be read any other way. Even the early church read it this way.
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(For this year) 
) for several years I held a similar hope, the rapture would be occurring in September around the time of FoT. Never was I more hopeful than in 2017, yet continued to look in 18 & 19, but when 20 came after a few years of studying contemplating and such my view on the arrangement of timing changed.
