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Post by stormyknight on Mar 18, 2021 13:47:26 GMT -6
"I wish that all of you could see as I see and God wishes that too! So, I will try to impart his truth to you in a way that it was imparted to me, that you may have the tools you need to SEE truth. The most basic tool God revealed to me in finding him was how to divine the truth from the world. If you cannot separate the two, you cannot see god." lionofgod lionofgod, please remember these verses: "For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness." Romans 12:4-8
I would say, slow down, take a deep breath. I hear what you are saying. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I'm sure we have all had that rush of God's Spirit and the joy it gives. You say you use certain references of choice for certain reasons. If you wouldn't mind some brotherly advice, your posts read as though you are thinking faster than you are typing. Slow down. Show God the respect due Him in capitalizing His name and His pronouns. I believe it means a great deal to Him. And I mean no personal offence to you whatsoever by this. Just take the time to proof-read your posts. If God has a message He wants you to share, He will make sure you have the time to tell it.
That all being said, I can identify with you on your path of sin and a search for truth. I was raised Catholic but quickly left as soon as I was out of my parents house. I studied art in Uni and found, in Art History, the different 'paths to god', if you will, that many before us have taken. I searched out spirituality and 'being one with the universe' and all such paths that lead nowhere. As we all know there is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. The Way, the Truth, and the Light. Also, being where I am now, I can look back and see the seeds that God planted in my spirit so that now I understand. Mainly that He always protects me, Psalm 40:11, He always makes sure I have what I need, Matt. 6:30, and most importantly, give and you will be given, Luke 6:38.I look forward to reading your future posts.
May the love of our Lord Jesus Christ fill you with joy and peace.
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Post by mike on Mar 18, 2021 13:54:32 GMT -6
lionofgod How true is this statement! Some who have been around awhile have heard of the issues my 23 yr old step-son has had over the last couple years...(I need to update that thread). He is trying to establish himself in the medical field of nursing. Part of the requirement will be for him to be vaxxed. Now his mother & I are not in favor of this, but understand that he may have to have it. He doesnt really want it but accepts the situation as such. Tuesday he was saying he didnt want the existing options and would rather wait a bit. A friend of his who is an atheist, and pro everything (abortion, BLM, aliens and so on) sent him a text or message saying her aunt is a dr. and she told her not to get any of the ones out now and to wait on J&J. Last evening he was saying to me - "Mike last night before I went to sleep I asked God what to do. That I needed help cuz I'm confused. The next day I got my answer from (his friend) Ashley" in the form of the information she sent from her aunt. God can use a donkey, He can use her too
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 16:56:48 GMT -6
Modern Christians as a whole believe in some sort or fashion of the trinity. though it is a concept those in the old testament didn't teach. "Trinity" is never used in the bible, but it is described a lot. The reason is simple, before Jesus, we communicated differently with God. It was more a singular thing, either god in Moses case or an angel oft times would impart truth to men. Prophets would receive visions from god and tell all of his truth. Jesus “existed” then, we know this from the Bible. But the father hadn’t separated him from himself. So was not yet “begotten”. Since Jesus himself tells us after he rises he will send the spirit, we know the Spirit/Holy Ghost existed as well, but was not yet given to man. The idea of the trinity was a simple means to put a label on something that men had a hard time grasping. With good reason, I might add. Understanding the many facets of God, is not something we as humans are capable of. So, we do the best we can, the result is the trinity. The 3 parts of the one are a hard concept to get a hold on. the Bible explains it as best we will ever understand it. Since it is one of those “God things”, we are required to believe it and accept it, even if it doesn’t completely make sense to us. It has many layers of truth, as you would expect sincere are talking about the Creator of all things. For ease of understanding, I will do my best to explain what is unexplainable in any but the most basic of terms. 1. There is God the Father, Creator, Our true God etc. This is the ONLY complete God, meaning the original from which all things come. Father is what Jesus called him, so we will go with that name in this. 2. Our Father, knowing all things from the beginning too the end, knew that man would not be able to keep the covenants he made with god in the Old Testament, so in his mercy and Love he took of himself Jesus, His “knowledge”, which had always been with him, and gifted him to us, begot him or as the Bible refers shook out of himself. Jesus is oft referred to as “the word”, for he was here to impart knowledge of the father to us. 3. The Father knew even gifting us Jesus/knowledge wouldn’t be enough for man, so he also granted us the Holy Spirit, his wisdom. For the product of knowledge is wisdom, the result of Jesus ascension to the Father was that we were gifted wisdom, if we accepted Jesus/knowledge. Tis wisdom protects us from the false things in the world, it is our advocate and our protector. So, as you see, God is threefold to us. But the father is supreme among them for he is the original. Jesus is his equal in all ways except that he was begotten, therefore became man, sullied himself in this world of sin, and gave his life/blood that our sin debt could be paid, granting us a pathway to the Father. The Holy Spirit is then gifted to man till the end of days, to help and lead the way back to the father, through wisdom gotten by Jesus gift of salvation. But he too is “of” god. But in deference to both Jesus and the Father. Confusing as it may be, thats as plain as I know to put it in words. Language is inadequate to describe God. It is however all man has to use till our ascension, where words will no longer be needed to commune with God. The triune god is full of symbolism and meaning, so I’m not even going to attempt to understand or explain all the wonders of God, but this is a good basis for understanding for most, I hope.
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 17:23:35 GMT -6
I would say, slow down, take a deep breath. I hear what you are saying. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I'm sure we have all had that rush of God's Spirit and the joy it gives. You say you use certain references of choice for certain reasons. If you wouldn't mind some brotherly advice, your posts read as though you are thinking faster than you are typing. Slow down. Show God the respect due Him in capitalizing His name and His pronouns. I believe it means a great deal to Him. And I mean no personal offence to you whatsoever by this. Just take the time to proof-read your posts. If God has a message He wants you to share, He will make sure you have the time to tell it.
That all being said, I can identify with you on your path of sin and a search for truth. I was raised Catholic but quickly left as soon as I was out of my parents house. I studied art in Uni and found, in Art History, the different 'paths to god', if you will, that many before us have taken. I searched out spirituality and 'being one with the universe' and all such paths that lead nowhere. As we all know there is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ. The Way, the Truth, and the Light. Also, being where I am now, I can look back and see the seeds that God planted in my spirit so that now I understand. Mainly that He always protects me, Psalm 40:11, He always makes sure I have what I need, Matt. 6:30, and most importantly, give and you will be given, Luke 6:38.
Thank you brother, i will attempt to use better punctuation and capitalization in the future. I'm never offended, well I qualify that with, anything directed "at" me cannot offend me. The only time my peace and love is disrupted is on occasion when I witness God's message being falsely taught to the young who have no concept and no defense against the teacher, those type things offend me mightily. I only ever really received a "rush" like I believe you're talking about, at the moment of the Holy spirits entry, when I fell to the floor and wept for some time, then was overcome with joy and love. From that moment till today, I have been in a constant state of peace/love/excitement/anticipation at all times. Though I recognize a slight difference of elation between some truths revealed, such as when I am revealed what I would term "worldly" truths, it's more an acknowledgement of a falsity in the truths revealing. But when larger truths are revealed I'm more compelled to share and thus spread that truth in a more expeditious manner. I make no excuses for my lacking english pronoun use or punctuation, but I will say that as a man with Parkinson's and a few other disabilities, it is difficult to just type, my fingers tend to spasm a bit and I miss keys and etc. I'm also a terrible typist! LOL not a talent I ever picked up, so I'm what is commonly called a hunt and peck typer. I have to look at the keyboard and find the letters as I type. God forgives me for my imperfections, hopefully you will too. But I'll do my best to try to edit out any that seem to offend. I just don't "think in letters so I miss some things in the typing versus the thinking. Thank you for pointing it out to me though, I don't wish to irritate those who are trying to hear the message. Your final line there is so true! I was speaking of it today, how amazing it is to look back on my 53 years and see all the little graces God granted me along the way that had gone un noticed be me till recently. your last sentence is how I live my life every day now, or a variation of it. you must first give to receive, Love to be loved, you get out what you put in. God Bless.
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 17:26:02 GMT -6
lionofgod How true is this statement! Some who have been around awhile have heard of the issues my 23 yr old step-son has had over the last couple years...(I need to update that thread). He is trying to establish himself in the medical field of nursing. Part of the requirement will be for him to be vaxxed. Now his mother & I are not in favor of this, but understand that he may have to have it. He doesnt really want it but accepts the situation as such. Tuesday he was saying he didnt want the existing options and would rather wait a bit. A friend of his who is an atheist, and pro everything (abortion, BLM, aliens and so on) sent him a text or message saying her aunt is a dr. and she told her not to get any of the ones out now and to wait on J&J. Last evening he was saying to me - "Mike last night before I went to sleep I asked God what to do. That I needed help cuz I'm confused. The next day I got my answer from (his friend) Ashley" in the form of the information she sent from her aunt. God can use a donkey, He can use her too Amen brother! I will keep your son in my prayers.
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Post by Natalie on Mar 18, 2021 17:42:37 GMT -6
So, it seems you are saying Jesus was somehow created? Do you see Him as only being from His incarnation? I'm a bit confused on your view of Him. Col 1:15-20 suggests that Jesus is the Creator. "For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible..."
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 17:44:56 GMT -6
Something to ponder on when your not thinking of other important things. Modern man is vested in science and technology more than anything else on earth. Where has that gotten us? With all our so called knowledge, are we better off than Jesus time? Or worse? When God created the earth and heavens, did he not provide for our very need? The earth is dying, as are we all, but it came at the hand of free will, we have always had the choice. Yet at every turn, man chooses himself over God. For every so called "good" thing to come from these pursuits, there are ten bad. Yet we choose to ignore the obvious imbalance and put our best efforts into making things "better". How is it that we can be so arrogant as to think we can improve on God's perfect work? If I had an ignorance eraser and could go back in time erasing ALL man has been fooled into thinking he has improved upon, we would be back at the garden with Adam and Eve. Is it not obvious to the eye that we have been the vessel of our own destruction? Instigated by the very one that convinced Eve that she could be equal to God? Man over all seems to be nearly incapable of summoning the courage to row against the stream of insanity that we live in. We just willingly remain ignorant of the things around us and continue on our path to destruction as fast as we can get there. It's this folly and control or belief of control that puts walls between us and our Father. The only way to overcome it is to give it up. Realize that the ONLY truth you have in your life is God, the rest is false reality we continuously propagate. We are the masters of our own reality, provided us by the greatest deceiver of all. Just something to think on if your a thinker. God Bless
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 17:46:06 GMT -6
So, it seems you are saying Jesus was somehow created? Do you see Him as only being from His incarnation? I'm a bit confused on your view of Him. Col 1:15-20 suggests that Jesus is the Creator. "For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible..." post 23 will explain. Sorry I didn't realize the numbers are posting for each of us, the post starting with Modern man.......
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Post by stormyknight on Mar 18, 2021 17:46:40 GMT -6
I'm truly sorry, lionofgod. As long as your posts have been I pictured you typing away like a novelist with a deadline. Haha. Peace and love in Jesus Christ, brother!
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Post by Natalie on Mar 18, 2021 17:51:38 GMT -6
So, it seems you are saying Jesus was somehow created? Do you see Him as only being from His incarnation? I'm a bit confused on your view of Him. Col 1:15-20 suggests that Jesus is the Creator. "For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible..." post 23 will explain. Sorry I didn't realize the numbers are posting for each of us, the post starting with Modern man.......
I don't see an answer to what I asked.
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 17:57:50 GMT -6
I'm truly sorry, lionofgod. As long as your posts have been I pictured you typing away like a novelist with a deadline. Haha. Peace and love in Jesus Christ, brother! No worries brother, I have tried posting places in shorter posts, but end up posting 5 more times to clarify, so I try to at least cover anything I feel may be an obvious question, for clarity. No apology necessary! Thanks all the same. God bless. Oh, since I am here and it may help with understanding me a little, I have epilepsy from shooting myself in the head, one bad arm from a triple tear in my rotator cuff, Many spinal issues and just had to have enough metal to build a child's bike put in my neck which is fuzed from skull to shoulders, which is when I was diagnosed with Parkinson's after my entire body would spontaneously convulse without control till i'd fall. I say this not for sympathy or pity, I see it as a blessing given me. I couldn't have truly found God, had I not been stricken so. i'm at peace with it and God, so how could I not love it in a way.
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 18:02:27 GMT -6
post 23 will explain. Sorry I didn't realize the numbers are posting for each of us, the post starting with Modern man.......
I don't see an answer to what I asked.
You read the posting on the trinity and it's explanation? Either way, I'll briefly explain as it is covered better there. Jesus was begotten of the Father, meaning borne out of, or removed from. Unlike man, Jesus is one with the Lord in all ways except that he was begotten and made as man. Then returned to be with the father. added clarity-- he is of the same substance as the father if that helps. There just is no concept of men to compare or contrast with for better understanding in this instance. We just accept that he is as stated, both of the father and from the father, but not "created as man, for he was with the Father at creation.
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 19:16:46 GMT -6
God has revealed a great many truths to me. Most I freely share, a few are meant for me alone, that I might prepare and understand what is to come for me. The latter is why I am 100% secure in what I share. My place is already foretold of. My sharing anything but truth would risk my eternal soul, which I never jest or make light of. I am fully aware that much of what I reveal will only really matter to a few, but it is meant for all. We all are the sum of our experiences on this earth, therefore our lives are unique to one another. Not better or worse, as we are all capable of the same things if given the time and the tutelage of the Holy Spirit. One of the most evident examples of God’s eternal love is the gift of free will. Without it, we are simply tied to the Lord of necessity. He is the father, we would have no other choices without Him granting us this overlooked gift. It is also at the core of His message. As is my charge from the Holy Spirit, I look at the truth of ALL things that I see or experience, the Bible is no different. The book is a collection of organized letters on pages to convey a simple message, bound with glue and covered in leather or some other protective material. The ONLY thing that separates it from any other book is what is contained within it. God’s truth, via the writings and letters of the apostles, Jesus, the prophets and etc. Were man able to commit the entire book into his memory with 100% accuracy, he wouldn’t have need of the book. Post Adam and Eve and pre Old Testament, God’s message was conveyed around the fire or while attending the animals and all the other mundane things that man does. Passed from father to son and so on. Those original men were far closer to God than we are, in time and in deed, but had no bible to study. God didn’t need too gift this to man until man had begun to lose his message and turned astray, then in his love for his creation, he had us write down his ways and laws for us. That they may be preserved for future man to use. Thus creating a continuity of message. When that was even not enough, he sent Jesus to fulfill his message and reaffirm it’s origins and validity in the New Testament. But even that he knew wouldn’t be enough. He tells us so in the books itself. Were having the instructions and the knowledge of how to use them adequate, there would be no end times or books foretelling them. The beauty of his perfection and incomprehensible knowledge and Love, is in the fact that knowing all things of the beginning and ending, he gave us free will that we could chose him as he chose us! A man asked me the other day “If the Bible is really so simple, why is it so big and hard to understand?”. My answer to him was this. the Bible is needed to provide each generation with a stable basis for god’s message. Once the message is understood, it acts as a vessel to sup on. Keeping us filled with his Love, that we may endure this time on earth without being a miserable wreck. For it provides Hope. But at its most basic, Gods message can be boiled down to a few simple statements. Really one if you want to really get to the core of it. “God is Love.” Everything else is quite simply an expression of that love. Love begets love. Since Gods “core”, for lack of any term that can hope to explain it, is LOVE. Love inherently needs to be shared to be fulfilled, so god gave us free will that he might have his children choose their Father and Love him in return. Being all knowing and all powerful, he could have simply imbued it in us and given no choice, but he desires us to choose to love him because we want to do so, not just because he says so. Glorifying God is showing and sharing love. However, he is just in his love, so entry into it takes an action on our part, since we are not gods, we are flesh, we had to have a means to do so, Jesus gave that gift with his blood, that all we need do to share in his love in believe and then act on that belief, having faith alone will not do, you must act on that belief for it to come to fruition. Once you do, once you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your remission of sin, you are gifted the Holy Spirit to aid in your actions, for if He is in you, you needn’t sin, you now have a choice. You choose to sin, knowing the consequences or you choose God and go forth and sin no more. But being still of the flesh, you cannot completely rid your body of sin, but your soul will be freed, that you need fear no death or anything else of this world, for you have the absolute knowledge that there is a glorious place for you at the table of your Father in heaven where all await your coming in joy!
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Post by Natalie on Mar 18, 2021 19:23:09 GMT -6
I reread your posts and I think I understand what you are saying, I just haven't heard it put quite that way. Can you give me an example of "as the Bible refers shook out of himself"? I haven't heard that before.
Also, have you ever did a study of the "Angel of the LORD"? Who is He? He speaks as though He is God and even accepts worship. People are even afraid they will die because they have seen God (I think that's Samson's parents). But yet we are also told "No one has ever seen God" (John 1:18) but John also goes on to say, "The only God, who is at the Father’s side, He has made Him known."
Another thing I have found interesting is that how sometimes in the OT when the Word of the LORD appears to people it seems as though a physical person is there. (Genesis 15:4-7 for example) Then John tells us that the Word became flesh.
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Post by lionofgod on Mar 18, 2021 19:44:22 GMT -6
As I am reading through some of this stuff on this thread, a couple of passages come to mind. Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. And Romans 14 for example 1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him....5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself...13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother...19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. A person may be fully convinced that only Saturday is the day for rest, another may be persuaded that Sunday is the day, we should worship God every day and not cause divisions over things that were commanded in the Law. For Christ came to set us free, to fulfill the Law, to put us under a new covenant, and our rest is in Him. My apologies sister,I was rereading your post and realized I may not have addressed you question as fully as asked. I pass no judgement on anyone for anything, that is not my place, the Father will do so in His time, as he has foretold. I also do not quarrel over another's decisions, I try to state often that each must make their own choices. The choices you make affect only you and your own family etc. not those whom do not reside with you. As to food itself, Jesus made clear what is acceptable, I don't even broach that as it is very clear and it's truth stands alone. Number 6 is of interest because the wording gives it's own explanation as the bible is simple. The one who "observes". God made what days and things too observe very clear in scripture. He doesn't say observation is optional, rather it is necessary in order to obey. again in the next sentence it is stated plainly that one who eats, does so in honor of the Lord. But it adds "since he gives thanks to god". So if we give thanks before we eat for what we have received, we honor him. Only when we neglect to acknowledge him for providing our meal, do we not do so. He expects and deserves acknowledgement for providing all things for us. in number 5 you will not the first part discusses one who "esteems", then it goes on to say that the one who "observes" does so in honor of God. So, he is telling us that those who "esteem" days are dong so by their choice, he goes on to confirm that by saying he should be fully convinced in his own mind. Then follows by giving the example of the one who "observes". later he covers fasting, which is also in one of the Sabbaths. He says that one who does so "and" gives thanks, honors God. Again he wants us to acknowledge him. Number 13 talks of putting stumbling blocks in front of his brother, meaning hindering his spiritual growth. So, preaching false doctrine or condoning anything other than what God has ordained is keeping your brother from his potential and should be avoided. Number 19 is the proof in the pudding, so to speak. If you teach of God's truth and his word, adding nothing and subtracting nothing, that is the very nature of pursuing what makes peace and mutually uplifts. I hope this answered the questions you have or clarified the passages if they were of any confusion. God Bless
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