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Post by boraddict on Jan 7, 2022 20:10:45 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:11
As previously shown, this verse is sister to Rev. 1:8 and parallel in the chapter chiasmus to that verse. And in Verse 1:8 Jesus' declares that he is God almighty, which He similarly includes in most of his introductions; and in contrast at Verse 1:11 He directs John to write to the seven churches. Please notice that John hears the Savior (v. 1:10) and then is instructed to tell the seven churches what he sees. So it is that here in Verse 1:11 he is hearing and then in the next verse he is seeing. Understanding this point is important for confirming that the structure of the chapter chiasmus is correct as follows:
Rev. 1:7, every eye shall see Him
Rev. 1:8, The Savior speaks
Rev. 1:9, 10, .... "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet"
Rev. 1:11, The Savior speaks
Rev. 1:12, John turns to see the Savior
v. 1:11, "saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”"
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Post by boraddict on Jan 8, 2022 0:08:10 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:12
As I mentioned in my previous post, it is here at Verse 1:12 that John turns to see the Savior and this links to Rev. 1:7. And, we all know what the seven golden lampstands represent because that is given to us in Rev. 1:20. So, Verse 1:12 is saying that as John turned to see the Savior he saw the seven churches. And, as parallels go, the seven churches being seen by John here in Verse 1:12 correspond to every eye that sees the Savior in Verse 1:7. Everyone can draw their own conclusions as to the significance of this interesting parallel. However, to me it means that the saints of the latter days are the seven churches that will see the Savior; and, more than that, the saints of all seven dispensations of time. But that is my own take on this parallel and each student of scripture can make up their own mind. At any rate, there is something very profound at this point in Chapter 1.
"Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,"
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Post by boraddict on Jan 8, 2022 12:03:54 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:13-15
"and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters."
This is a three verse set that parallels Rev. 1:5-6 in the chapter chiasmus as follows:
Rev. 1:5-6, John's explains what the Savior has done for us
Rev. 1:7, every eye shall see Him
Rev. 1:8, The Savior speaks
Rev. 1:9, 10, .... "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet"
Rev. 1:11, The Savior speaks
Rev. 1:12, John turns to see the Savior
Rev. 1:13-15, John's describes how the Savior appeared to him
First of all please notice that the Savior is in the midst of the seven lampstands (Rev. 1:13) that are the seven churches (Rev. 1:20). He is clothed with a garment down to the foot and with a golden sash. His hair was white as snow, his eyes were as a flame of fire, his feet like fine brass, and his voice as the roar of many waters. This is how the Savior appeared to John as John was in spirit. Not that the Savior really looks like this, but this is how He presented himself to John in that visionary experience.
As I mentioned previously, John had been awaiting the return of the Savior (Rev. 1:9) as all the saints had been doing at that time. So sending this message to the churches (Rev. 1:11), that John had seen the Savior, would have been a shot in the arm for the faithful saints and a breath of fresh air. For us however, here in the last days, this description of the Savior is laden with a multitude of links streaming like rays of light throughout the book. For example, the description of the Savior's voice as the roar of Many Waters (Rev. 1:15) suggests that He is speaking in Rev. 19:6 as well as the linking verse Rev. 14:2 among others. Another example is his feet as if they had been burned in a furnace (Rev. 1:15) which links to Rev. 9:2 wherein the smoke arising out of the pit is as the smoke of a Great Furnace; another metaphor for the Savior IMO.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 9, 2022 0:39:24 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:16
This verse is unique to Chapter 1 in that it is a war verse; and, by contrast, the parallel verse Rev. 1:4 is a verse of peace.
"In his right hand he held seven stars (Rev. 1:20),
from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword (Rev. 19:15, 20),
and this face was like the sun shining in full strength (Rev. 19:17)."
Rev. 1:4, greetings and peace to the seven churches
Rev. 1:5-6, John's explains what the Savior has done for us
Rev. 1:7, every eye shall see Him
Rev. 1:8, The Savior speaks
Rev. 1:9, 10, .... "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet"
Rev. 1:11, The Savior speaks
Rev. 1:12, John turns to see the Savior
Rev. 1:13-15, John's describes how the Savior appeared to him
Rev. 1:16, the chapter war verse
We all know that the BofR is a book that describes tribulation, so having a war verse here in this chapter should be no surprise.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 9, 2022 14:26:11 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:17-20
The last four verses of Chapter 1 (vv. 1:17-20) parallel the first three verses of Chapter 1 (vv. 1:1-3). Please consider these two sets of verses as follows:
Rev. 1:1
Rev. 1:2
Rev. 1:3
Rev. 1:17-18
Rev. 1:19
Rev. 1:20
Notice that the last four verses of the chapter contain a statement from the Savior.
vv. 1:17-18, ..., "Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades
v. 1:19, Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this.
v. 1:20, As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
Although there are several things to consider in these verses, for me the most important part is Verse 1:19 wherein the Savior instructs John what he is to write about. This in association with the three parts in the parallel (v. 1:2) helps to provide an outline for the book.
v. 1:2, "who bore witness to the word of God (the beginning of The Gospel According to John)
and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, (the ending of The Gospel According to John)
even to all that he saw. (everything between the beginning and ending of The Gospel According to John)
v. 1:19, "Write therefore the things that you have seen, (everything from Chapter 4 to Chapter 21; The Book of Revelation vision)
those (things) that are (the ending of The Book of Revelation)
and those (things) that are to take place after this. (the beginning of The Book of Revelation to include Chapters 1-3 and perhaps Chapter 4)
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Post by boraddict on Jan 11, 2022 18:35:46 GMT -6
Understanding Chapter 6 is perhaps the most important part of understanding the revelation that John received. So please bear with me as I explore this chapter one more time. Understanding Rev. 6:1
Let's begin with the elder telling John that Jesus has prevailed in opening the seals at Rev. 5:5. Prior to this John has seen in the vision that God the Father has the scroll in his hand (Rev. 5:1), and this is followed by John's interaction with the angel at Rev. 5:2-4. Thus:
Rev. 5:1, John sees in vision that God the Father has the scroll in his right hand
Rev. 5:2-4, John interacts with the angel
Rev. 5:5, the elder tells John that Jesus has prevailed to loose the seals and open the scroll
Rev. 5:6-14, John sees the vision of Jesus as the Lamb of God, taking the scroll, followed by a great celebration.
THEN
Rev. 6:1, John watches as Jesus opens the first seal.
"Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”
1) John watched as Jesus opened the first seal.
2) One of the four living creatures from Rev. 4:6-8 as well as Rev. 5:6, states with a voice like thunder that John "come."
Post Script: Verse 6:1 is simple in that John sees the Savior open the first seal, but the verse gets difficult where John is engaged by the creature. So let's consider this creature that is one of the four creatures listed in Verses 4:6-8 and Verse 5:6 with the following items of information about them:
1) they are "around the throne, on each side of the throne" (v. 4:6)
2) they are "full of eyes in front and behind" (v. 4:6)
3) "the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight." (v. 4:7)
4) "each of them with six wings" (v. 4:8)
5) they "are full of eyes all around and within" (v. 4:8)
6) "and day and night they never cease to say “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” (v. 4:8)
7) "And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing...." (v. 5:6)
First let's consider the location of these four creatures and they are around the throne on each side of the throne (1); and, between the throne and the four living creatures, and, among the elders, Christ is standing (7).
Please consider Rev. 14:1 wherein Christ is standing with his 144,000 and these are the sealed from Rev. 7:4-8. Since Christ is standing with his elders in Rev. 5:6, and with his 144,000 in Rev. 14:1; and, those 144,000 are the sealed from the twelve tribes in Rev. 7:4-8, then the elders of Verse 5:6 are the 144,000 of Chapters 7 and 14.
In Rev. 4:6 the four creatures are around the throne, and it is common knowledge that the Ark of the Covenant is God's throne. Also, in Rev. 7:1-3 the four angels are around the earth, and it is common knowledge that the Ark of the Covenant is on the earth. Then the four creatures of Verses 4:6-8, 5:6 are the four angels of Rev. 7:1-3, Rev. 9:14-15.
From the above information then Rev. 5:6 is referencing Rev. 14:1 after the 144,000 had been gathered in Chapter 7. Also, Rev. 5:6 is referencing the four angels of Chapter 7 before they do their work in Rev. 9:14-15. That is, the four creatures are the four angels IMO.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 12, 2022 23:14:09 GMT -6
It has occurred to me that the scroll (Rev. 5:1, 5, 8) does not open until after the 7th seal is loosed (Rev. 8:1). Therefore, the items in Chapter 6-7 are not in the scroll but reference the 1,000 year dispensations-of-time that the saints lived upon the earth; and as each seal is loosed then the resurrection of saints from that dispensation is preparing to take place. John watched as each seal was loosed.
The 4 horsemen are associated with the 4 dispensations of time prior to the atonement; each being 1,000 years.
The 5th seal (Rev. 6:9-11) pertains to the saints that were killed after the Savior was murdered.
The 6th seal pertains to the 6th dispensation that we are in at this time (Rev. 6:12-17). Thus, the wrath of God that is spoken of in those verses occurs in our time.
The 7th seal is loosed just prior to the resurrection (Rev. 8:1). It is the calm just prior to the opening of the scroll. The scroll is the book of life wherein the saints from each dispensation of time are listed for the 1st resurrection. IMO
Post Script: Evidence that the seals represent 1,000 year dispensations is that the 6th seal shows the wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17). And, we know that the wrath of God has not occurred yet; so, we are still in the 6th seal awaiting the wrath of God as referenced in the Verses 6:12-17. From this we can surmise that the wrath of God is in the 6th seal that is coming to a close here in the next few years. And, from this we can find that the trumpets that are the wrath of God take place in the 6th seal; at least up to the 7th trumpet that is the final destruction. So, it may be the case that the 4 trumpets as described in Chapter 8 are showing the effects of the 7th trumpet. In other words, the events of the trumpets, at least the first four, are more of a place holder until the 7th seal is arrived at. At which time the final destruction takes place that these 4 trumpets describe. So it would be the case that in the 6th seal we have the Chapter 9 1st woe, followed by the Chapter 9 second woe and these lead up to the Chapter 11 third woe that is described in the four trumpets of Chapter 8.
Afterwards, we have the resurrection that follows the half hour wait in the 7th seal. That is, how can we have the wrath of God in the 6th seal and then the half hour wait and then the wrath of God in the 7 trumpets of the 7th seal. It does not make sense. Because, the wrath of God is in the 6th seal at Rev. 6:12-17. And not only that, but these verses link strongly to the first and second woe in Chapter 9. Thus, the first and second woes take place in the 6th seal. And, the third woe takes place at the ending that is the four trumpets of Chapter 8.
One thing appears to be certain is that the seals are dispensations of time as types, and then events in the tribulation as shadows of those types. That is, the seals represent two things: major events of the 1,000 year dispensations; and, events of the 7 year tribulation. As events of the 7 year tribulation then these seals lead to God's judgment. But, as dispensations of time then the seals represent some connection to the souls of the book of life that come forth in the resurrection. The following is this proposed possibility:
1st seal loosed that represents the first dispensation of time as a type
2nd seal loosed that represents the second dispensation of time as a type
3rd seal loosed that represents the third dispensation of time as a type
4th seal loosed that represents the fourth dispensation of time as a type
5th seal loosed that represents the fifth dispensation of time as a type
6th seal loosed that represents the sixth dispensation of time as a type
the 1st woe that is the 5th trumpet that includes the six seals as a shadow of the six seal types
the 2nd woe that is the 6th trumpet that includes the six seals as a shadow of the six seal types
7th seal that represents the seventh dispensation of time occurring in or after the first half hour of that dispensation
the 3rd woe that is the 7th trumpet that is the 4 trumpets of Chapters 8 and 16
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Post by boraddict on Jan 16, 2022 1:21:40 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:2
In previous posts I explained Chapter 1 with relative ease, and with reasonable proofs I might add. But Chapter 6 is a different animal entirely. For instance, Rev. 6:1 that looks so easily understandable is quite difficult to prove with absolute accuracy. Here is Verse 6:1 with a quick summary:
v. 6:1, "Now I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals,"
The above section of Verse 6:1 describes John seeing in vision the Savior opening the first seal of the scroll that was introduced in Chapter 5.
v. 6:1 (continued), "and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”
The above section of Verse 6:1 links back to Chapters 4 and 5 where the 4 creatures are introduced. I have explained before that these four creatures are the four individuals of Rev. 1:1 (IMO) and they reoccur throughout the text of the book. And they are: Lord Jesus, God the Father, the angel, and John. I am beginning to consider that these four might be the four angels of Chapter 7, the four trumpets of Chapter 8, and the four angels of Chapter 9 in the 6th trumpet. This conclusion is reasonable due to the massive amounts of linguistic devices that seal the book in these chapters.
And now the elephant in the room, Rev. 6:2, "And I looked, and behold, a white horse! And its rider had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering, and to conquer."
Like, how can we prove what the metaphors in the above verse mean. And, since the previous verse (v. 6:1) referenced back to Chapters 4 and 5, then shouldn't the answers to Verse 6:2 be found there? Probably not.
However, as I have explained in a previous post that the seals of Chapter 6 appear to be two things. The first is that they represent some events that took place during 1,000 year dispensations of time, and the second is a shadow of that event that takes place during the 7 year of tribulation (IMO). That is, the seals appear to be both types and shadows of events. Proof for this assessment is found in the 6th seal Rev. 6:12-17 wherein the wrath of God exists. This wrath of God is an event in the 6th dispensation of time that we are currently in; a type. Also, this wrath of God takes place in the sequence of events of the seven years of tribulation; a shadow. Thus, the 6th seal shows the wrath of God in the 6th dispensation of time (the type) and in the seven years of tribulation (the shadow).
1st seal type that is and event of the first 1,000 years: 1st seal shadow that is an event of the 7 years of tribulation:
2nd seal type of the second 1,000 years: 2nd seal shadow:
3rd seal type of the third 1,000 years: 3rd seal shadow:
4th seal type of the 4th 1,000 years: 4th seal shadow:
5th seal type: the saints murdered in the tribulation of early church, 5th seal shadow: the saints murdered in the tribulation of the last days (Ch. 13)
6th seal type: the wrath of God in the 6th 1,000 years 6th seal shadow: the wrath of God in the tribulation of the last days (Ch. 16)
Notice that the type and shadow in the 6th seal appears to be the same event and this would indicate that the tribulation is in the 6th 1,000 year period.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 18, 2022 0:04:12 GMT -6
The Book of Revelation is important to me because it contains guidance on how to survive the seven years of tribulation. From this you can see that I do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. But for those who do believe in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine then please notice that you are still here, which by the way supports my position that we should know the BofR for guidance.
Understanding Rev. 6:3
This is another verse of mystery in this mysterious Chapter.
v. 6:3, "When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!"
Here in this verse we have John seeing the Savior open the second seal that seals the scroll (Rev. 5:1). Not that the Savior can read the scroll at this point in the story; but, some events are associated with this second seal as described in the next Verse (v. 6:4).
But, for Verse 6:3 John states that when the Savior opened the second seal then the second living creature instructed him to "come." Again, this creature is found in Rev. 4:6-9 and is the ox that is also referenced in Ezek. 1:5-14. Please notice in the description of these four that they are presented to us in some order.
That is, in Verse 6:3 John is watching the Savior as he opens the second seal, and then a creature that speaks on behalf of the Savior, speaks to John. And, who has been given authority to show John the vision but the angel in Rev. 1:1. That is, the individual that has been given authority to show the vision to us, and is represented as the four creatures in Chapter 6 is the angel of Verse 1:1. It is this angel that John calls the creature in these verses.
Rev. 4:7, lion, ox, man, eagle, and these are God the Father, Lord Jesus, the angel, and John
Ezek. 1:10, eagle, ox, lion, human, and these are John, Lord Jesus, God the Father, and the angel
It seems that John is giving the order-of-honor whereas Ezekiel is giving the order as he is seeing these four individuals.
This is my analysis of the above verse and please notice that the metaphors seal our understanding of the text. Thus, the BofR is a sealed book.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 19, 2022 10:39:51 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:4
As is typical of the four horsemen here in Chapter 6, this verse is cloaked in mystery. So while there are several interpretations, no one can provide substantiated proof as to what or who this verse is about. I have been able to provide with reasonable certainty however that all the seals here in Chapter 6 represent some event within thousand year dispensations of time. And as is the case throughout the entire book that is laden with linguistic sealing devices, each of the seals here in Chapter 6 also represent some event within the seven years of tribulation. Correspondingly, the relationship between these two events are type and shadow IMO.
v. 6:4, "And out came another horse, bright red. Its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people should slay one another, and he was given a great sword."
Can anyone identify who of the second dispensation or of the seven years of tribulation this verse is describing; because I can only guess. However, we can conclude that someone of the second dispensation is represented to be like someone of the seven years of tribulation in a type and shadow relationship.
It is like saying that the events of Rev. 12:7-9 describing the war in heaven as a type that represents some war upon the earth as a shadow. Thus, in Verse 6:4 some individual represented as riding upon a red horse takes peace from the earth to the extent that people are caused to slay one another, and that that individual is given a great sward.
We see today that people throughout the world are turned against one another over some issue or another. But this rider causes some world event that causes warfare, and no one fits this bill better than the leader of China. Like, red China as was the common term from our previous generation; that red was the red of communism.
Of course this verse (v. 6:4) has multiple links throughout the BofR, but the red of China seems to fit because of the covid that has been unleashed upon the world. And from this we can conclude that some incredibly destructive variant will develop from the covid; or, that the response by world governments to the covid is what is so incredibly destructive.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 20, 2022 17:04:24 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:5
"When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand."
This verse contains the come-and-see type introduction like Rev. 6:1, 3, and the rider of the horse like Rev. 6:2, 4. So basically it is two verses in one.
So like Verses 6:1 and 6:3, this verse (v. 6:5) tells us that John sees Jesus open the third seal which as I have explained (IMO) represents something from the third dispensation of time as a type representing the shadow in the seven years of tribulation.
Next we have the creature that is as I have explained (IMO) is the angel of Rev. 1:1 who is tasked with showing John the revelation which in this case is a visionary experience for John. The reason for the four horsemen is simply a method of placing into the story the number four; showing us that it is from the Savior. As many in this audience may know, the number four is throughout scripture as an indicator of the Savior (IMO). It is for that reason four individuals are at the very first verse of the book (Rev. 1:1). So here in chapter 6 there are four creatures representing the angel. Or rather, the angel represented as four creatures. Because, the angel is tasked with showing John the revelation. Also, in Chapters 4 and 5 there are four creatures representing to us again that the message is from the Savior. Other examples of the number 4 are: there are four gospels, Moses was with the children of Israel for 40 years, etc.
Next in Verse 6:5 John sees the black horse that contrasts with the white horse of Rev. 6:2 (IMO). Similarly, the next horse in Rev. 6:8 contrasts with the red horse of Rev. 6:4 and it is for this reason that I believe the 4th horse is a blood-moon color; pale red that contrasts with red. Just guessing.
Next in Verse 6:5 is that the rider of the black horse has a pair of balances in his hand. It is anyone's guess as to what this means but it reflects something from the third dispensation of time from the year 1,000 BC to 2,000 BC. Something like that which has a shadow of that type here in the tribulation years.
first 1,000 years = 1st dispensation = 3,000 BC to 4,000 BC
second 1,000 years = 2nd dispensation = 2,000 BC to 3,000 BC
third 1,000 years = 3rd dispensation = 1,000 BC to 2,000 BC
fourth 1,000 years = 4th dispensation = 1 BC to 1,000 BC
Lord Jesus was born at the end of the 4th dispensation of time IMO.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 21, 2022 22:39:51 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:6
This is another mysterious verse that is anyone's guess as to what it means. And, for continuity's sake the "horse" part of the previous verse should have been included here within Verse 6:6. Please notice the pattern of the first 8 verses of Chapter 6 as follows:
v. 6:1, come and see
v. 6:2, white horse
v. 6:3, come and see
v. 6:4, red horse
v. 6:5, come and see, black horse
v. 6:6
v. 6:7, come and see
v. 6:8, pale horse
However, the pattern in the BofR follows the voice of the angel (IMO); as follows:
v. 6:1, beast speaks
v. 6:2, white horse
v. 6:3, beast speaks
v. 6:4, red horse
v. 6:5, beast speaks, black horse
v. 6:6, beast speaks
v. 6:7, beast speaks
v. 6:8, pale horse
I do not know why it was done this way. However, I have a few theories the first and most obvious of which is a chiasmus placing emphasis upon the black horse.
The remainder of Verse 6:6 pertains to the balancing of the scales with wheat and money, barley and money, and not to hurt the oil and wine. Again, we see the number 4 in this set of items: wheat, barley, oil, and wine. Like I said, the number 4 is represented throughout the BofR.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 22, 2022 20:14:43 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:7
This verse is a repeat of Rev. 6:1, 3, and the first part of Rev. 6:5. Each having the creatures assigned in series from 1 to 4, and as I have said, this IMO is the angel of Rev. 1:1 who was tasked with showing John the revelation. There is nothing that sets this verse apart from the other three horseman introductions (vv. 6:1, 3, 5).
Understanding Rev. 6:8
This verse (v. 6:8) is the climax of the 4 horsemen; although, it is not definitively written as such. We are told in this verse that power was given unto Death and Hell over one fourth of the earth. Again, the number 4 to show that this is from the Savior IMO. One possible conclusion here at the fourth horseman is that there are not really four horseman but one. In addition to that is the type and shadow relationships defined in each horsemen representing the four dispensations and the four events of the tribulation describing the major event of this time. And like I have said, it is anyone's guess.
Yet, the creature showing the horsemen is the one angel (IMO), the seals are opened by one Savior, and John is the one viewing the scenes of the vision. So if you consider Rev. 1:1, and the fact that God and Lord Jesus are one, then there are really only these three individuals to speak of when considering the participants of bringing this complex chapter to light.
Further, the number 4 is again represented in the destructive powers given to the forth horsemen. Please consider each of these four items in relation to each of the four horseman as follows:
v. 6:8, "And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth."
1) to kill with the sword, and the sward was given to the rider of the red horse (Rev. 6:4)
2) to kill with famine, and the food items were referenced with the rider of the black horse (Rev. 6:5-6
3) to kill with pestilence
4) to kill by the wild beasts of the earth, and the wild beasts are metaphor for those not of Israel (IMO)
These four items appear to be referenced in Rev. 18:8 but with slightly different language as follows:
v. 18:8, "For this reason her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who has judged her."
1) death is the name of the wicked one in Verse 6:8 who killed with the sward
2) mourning is the result of the pestilence in Verse 6:8
3) famine is the reduction of food as mentioned in Verse 6:8
4) and lastly to be burned with fire is to be destroyed by the beast and this aligns with the wild beasts of Verse 6:8 as well as the ten horns of Rev. 17:16.
So what I am saying is that the number four as represented in the four horseman as well as the list of plagues in both Rev. 6:8 and Rev. 18:8 is one single event as described in Rev. 17:16 which is the destruction of the economic system Babylon. That is, the four "types" as described in the verses four horseman, that reference four historical events from the four dispensations of time; which are also the four "shadows" in the same verses that also represent some events here in the tribulation of the last days, are in fact one event that is the destruction of our economic system Babylon as stated in Rev. 17:16.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 24, 2022 16:06:34 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:9-11
I combined these verses together because they as a group are the center of the chapter as follows:
Rev. 6:1-8, the four horseman
Rev. 6:9-11, the persecution of the saints
Rev. 6:12-17, the wrath of God
And as I have previously explained, IMO the four horseman represent one event that is the fall of Babylon as shown in Chapter 17. This construct is also shown in Chapter 14 wherein Babylon has fallen as stated in Rev. 18:2 (Rev. 14:8), followed by the persecution of saints in Rev. 13:6-10 (Rev. 14:12), followed by the wrath of God in Rev. 16:16-21 (Rev. 14:18-20). This flow in Chapter 14 could be stated more generally as Babylon is fallen Rev. 14:8 (Ch. 17-18), the persecution of saints Rev. 14:9-12, and the wrath of God Rev. 14:13-20.
These verses (vv. 6:9-11) have multiple links throughout the book and each of these could be explored to add additional context. However, the main thing to consider IMO is the type and shadow mechanics of Chapter 6 that provides for the most important interpretation of the chapter. Please notice that the persecution of saints took place at about 30 AD and continuing for a couple hundred of years. This persecution took place in the 5th dispensation of time. Secondly, at this time (our time) and during the seven years of tribulation we are again having a persecution of saints. This shows that the 5th dispensation persecution of saints is the type for the 6th dispensation persecution of saints as the shadow. This is my first evidence to prove that chapter 6 is a type and shadow chapter.
vv. 6:9-11, "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been."
These verses describe the type of 2,000 years ago, and the shadow of right now and through the tribulation to come.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 26, 2022 1:10:36 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 6:12-17
This section (vv. 6:12-17) of Chapter 6 is the wrath of God. For years I could not understand how the wrath of God belonged in Chapter 6; but now I understand why.
Since Chapter 6 is a type and shadow chapter (IMO) wherein each verse has a type and each verse has a shadow, then the wrath of God in chapter 6 is a type in the 6th seal; the 6th dispensation of time; and, a shadow in the 6th seal as well. This means that the entire wrath of God is in the 6th 1,000 year period of mankind upon the earth, not only as a type in the 6th dispensation of time, but also a shadow in this same dispensation of time.
Please consider the evidence of the 5th seal wherein the saints were murdered in the 5th dispensation of time and are being murdered here in the 6th dispensation of time. Thus, the type was the saints being murdered in the church age years from the atonement to year 1,000; and the shadow was the saints being murdered in the church age from year 1,000 to 2,000.
The same kind of thing exists for the other seals in Chapter 6 as well. For example, the 1st seal represents the first dispensation (the type) and the 6th (the shadow). This interesting characteristic exists for all the seals here in Chapter 6 except for the 6th seal where both the type and shadow are in the 6th seal. Following is an example:
1st seal type is in the 1st dispensation of time, 1st seal shadow is in the 6th dispensation of time
The same holds true for the seals 2 through 5
2nd seal type 2nd dispensation 2nd seal shadow 6th dispensation
3rd seal type 3rd dispensation 3rd seal shadow 6th dispensation
4th seal type 4th dispensation 4th seal shadow 6th dispensation
5th seal type `5th dispensation 5th seal shadow 6th dispensation
Next is the 6th seal
6th seal type is in the 6th dispensation of time and the 6th seal shadow is in the 6th dispensation of time. This condition wherein the type and shadow are in the same seal is unique for the 6th seal here in Chapter 6. And, that is why the wrath of God is here in the 6th seal of Chapter 6. It is simply an event that is highlighted for the type and shadow for the 6th seal in the chapter. We can take from that that both the type and shadow of the 6th seal occur here in the 6th dispensation of time.
For those who do not understand types and shadows. let's say we use an event from the time of Adam to represent a similar event that is going to occur during our time. The occurrence of the event at the time of Adam is the type that represents the occurrence of a similar event for us during our time. For the 6th seal, the type and shadow are the same event that is the wrath of God. It is not some event representing another event but it is the very same event, and it shows that the tribulation is in the 6th dispensation of time.
Perhaps dispensations of time are not exactly 1,000 years but close to it.
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