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Post by boraddict on Dec 27, 2021 2:15:44 GMT -6
Another interesting thing is Rev. 22:10, that John is told to not seal the sayings of the prophecy of this book. To seal a book is to write in a style that prevents a literal understanding. For example: Rev. 12 is a sealed chapter because it contains types and shadows and similes and metaphors etc. Other sealed chapters in the BofR is Rev. 13 with the beast rising from the sea and the beast from the earth as well as the 666 in Verse 18.
So please consider Rev. 2 and Rev. 3 that are not sealed but are literal. I had proposed some time ago that the sayings of the prophecy of the book were these two chapters; and Verse 22:10 supports my claim. That the only unsealed portion of the BofR are these two chapters; and as a result they are the sayings of the prophecy of this book. That is, the message of the BofR has more to do with the saints getting themselves ready and not so much to do with understanding the events of the seven years of tribulation.
That is, to keep the prophecy is to live by Chapters 2 and 3.
Further evidence that the BofR is sealed are the countless interpretations of the book. But like I said, Chapters 2 and 3 are not sealed and are the prophecy of the book; the part that we are to keep.
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Post by boraddict on Dec 27, 2021 21:40:02 GMT -6
Please consider the message to the angel of the church of Ephesus (Rev. 2:1-7).
Notice that the prophetic types and shadows do not exist, nor do the metaphors that are used to seal but those explained in Chapter 1 at Rev. 1:20 as well as those that are commonplace among the saints. Additionally, similes do not exit as well as other linguistic devices that typically seal scripture. This literal part of the BofR (Ch. 2-3) is as I have formerly pointed out, the unsealed portion of the book and is addressed in Rev. 22:10 as the prophecy of this book. Not that there are no other prophecies in the BofR, but as has been pointed out to me, the other prophecies in the BofR are found in other books of scripture. However, this prophecy in Chapters 2 and 3 is not found in other scripture to the best of my knowledge and it is therefore exclusive to the BofR as the prophecy of this book; not found in other books of scripture.
1) To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: ‘The words of him who holds "the seven stars in his right hand" (this metaphor is explained in Rev. 1:20 and is not used to seal the words), who walks among "the seven golden lampstands" (this metaphor is explained in Rev. 1:20 and is not used to seal the words).
2) I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. (The apostles of today are not special witnesses to the life of the Savior. They were not there when Jesus was upon the earth). 3) I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name’s sake, and you have not grown weary. 4) But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5) Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your "lampstand" (again, this metaphor was explained in Rev. 1:20 and not used to seal the words) from its place, unless you repent. 6) Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7) He who has an ear, let him hear what "the Spirit" (this metaphor is commonplace and is not used to seal the words) says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of "the tree of life" (this metaphor is explained throughout scripture and at Rev. 22:2. In other words, it is not a metaphor that seals scripture but one that is so commonplace that everyone is expected to know it), which is in the paradise of God.’
Examples of sealing scripture are: a beast rise up from the sea (v. 13:1), the name of the beast or the number of his name (v. 13:17), he that sat on the white horse, red, black, and pale (vv. 6:2, 4, 5, 8). In other words, the entire Book of Revelation is a sealed book, except, Chapters 2 and 3 that are the unsealed portion of the book.
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Post by boraddict on Dec 30, 2021 2:26:18 GMT -6
Took a fall on the ice and snow today and knocked myself out. I do not remember the fall but as I awoke I did not want my neighbors to see me. The back of my head hit the concrete leaving a palm size knot that is going down now. Went into the house and I am told that I repeatedly asked my daughters to feel the knot. Like a scratched vinyl record that plays the same thing over and over. They could see that I was a little loopy, more than usual, and checked the internet to see what they should do which was for me to not go to sleep. Gradually I began to remember about my brother and the phone call with my sister. However, I do not remember the fall nor do I remember getting up; only that I tried to role over to get up and that I did not want the neighbors to see me. Sorry to say that I do not like most of them. My car was in the auto shop and I had arranged for a driver to come to get my daughter to drive the car home. That was a great blessing because if she had not gone to get the car then I would have and where would I have ended up? I do not remember the shop driver that came to get my daughter but I came into the house, so I am told, and informed her that the driver was here. So she left with the driver to the auto shop and was back again and I barely knew that she was gone. A real knock out and if they occur only once every 63 years then I wont have to go through this again until I am 126. I do not even know where it occurred. Near the street? near the house? Don't know how long I was out. Just that somewhere at some point in time I slipped and my head hit the concrete. Don't remember getting up, nor do I remember the auto guy or his car. I was in a world of my own making. I had slipped in those shoes at least twice before that happened. Not wearing those shoes on the ice and snow again. I know better than that but who can not stop a fall? Right?
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Post by inaweofhim on Dec 30, 2021 6:33:17 GMT -6
Took a fall on the ice and snow today and knocked myself out. I do not remember the fall but as I awoke I did not want my neighbors to see me. The back of my head hit the concrete leaving a palm size knot that is going down now. Went into the house and I am told that I repeatedly asked my daughters to feel the knot. Like a scratched vinyl record that plays the same thing over and over. They could see that I was a little loopy, more than usual, and checked the internet to see what they should do which was for me to not go to sleep. Gradually I began to remember about my brother and the phone call with my sister. However, I do not remember the fall nor do I remember getting up; only that I tried to role over to get up and that I did not want the neighbors to see me. Sorry to say that I do not like most of them. My car was in the auto shop and I had arranged for a driver to come to get my daughter to drive the car home. That was a great blessing because if she had not gone to get the car then I would have and where would I have ended up? I do not remember the shop driver that came to get my daughter but I came into the house, so I am told, and informed her that the driver was here. So she left with the driver to the auto shop and was back again and I barely knew that she was gone. A real knock out and if they occur only once every 63 years then I wont have to go through this again until I am 126. I do not even know where it occurred. Near the street? near the house? Don't know how long I was out. Just that somewhere at some point in time I slipped and my head hit the concrete. Don't remember getting up, nor do I remember the auto guy or his car. I was in a world of my own making. I had slipped in those shoes at least twice before that happened. Not wearing those shoes on the ice and snow again. I know better than that but who can not stop a fall? Right? boraddict! You are having quite the time lately, with falls, family, and such. Foremost, if you get blurry vision or start to get a headache, PLEASE go to the ER and get evaluated! I am praying for no serious after effects; and for miracles of redemption for your family.
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Post by boraddict on Dec 30, 2021 12:55:50 GMT -6
I had slipped in those shoes at least twice before that happened. Not wearing those shoes on the ice and snow again. I know better than that but who can not stop a fall? Right? boraddict! You are having quite the time lately, with falls, family, and such. Foremost, if you get blurry vision or start to get a headache, PLEASE go to the ER and get evaluated! I am praying for no serious after effects; and for miracles of redemption for your family. I put traction barbs on my shoes today. I had purchased these years ago and never used them. Yesterday I had gone out to retrieve the trash container after the trash truck had dumped the dumpsters on my street. Wow! the swelling has gone down now but it was a huge knot that spanned more than four fingers from top to bottom and almost the same across. I am guessing 3 inches top to bottom and almost that wide. I do not remember falling nor getting up and I can not recall where it happened. It was a clean knock-out and apparently no side effects other than some short term memory loss from before and after. It is so interesting to me; I remember not wanting the neighbors seeing me down like that. I tried to move but could not and then forced myself to role slightly to the right and that is all I remember.
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Post by boraddict on Dec 30, 2021 19:46:33 GMT -6
I have been thinking about the Book of Revelation and wondering if some hidden passageway is to be found that might provide a more accurate interpretation. But I do not think one exists; and for that reason it appears to me that most interpretations of the BofR are in fact creditable, and some more so than others.
To me it seems that the more literal type of interpretations should maintain that approach throughout as should the metaphorical. Because the mixing of these two approaches presents a hodgepodge effect like texture on a celling that has been repaired a few times. Those imperfections become highlighted in the light of day. Like that.
For example, if "Death and Hell" from Rev. 6:8 is literal then we see in that verse that those who follow the philosophical approach of death and hell do in fact go to death and hell because that is who they are; the spiritually dead that go to hell. However if the verse is taken metaphorically then "death and hell" are the two individuals as found in Rev. 20:10 to be cast forever into the lake of fire as stated in Rev. 19:20 and Rev. 20:14, along with anyone holding to that ideology (Rev. 20:15). In both cases the wicked go to hell but in the second case their leaders are emphasized.
Another example is the dragon from Rev. 12:3. Are we to believe that this is literally a dragon? It could be, because after all China celebrates the dragon quite frequently.
So the BofR can be taken literally and I for one would like to see a highly skilled interpretation along that line of reasoning. The problem is that most of those types go off into superstitions and things not backed by science.
The metaphorical interpretation however can go a multitude of ways based upon the level of knowledge by it's author. Like for instance the "clouds" in Rev. 1:7 Could mean warfare or storms, of even the 144,000 from Rev. 14:1 upon whom He from Rev. 1:7 is riding in Rev. 14:14. That is one of my personal favorites but there are any number of credible interpretations of that metaphor.
The bottom line is that the BofR is a sealed book with no definitively clear interpretation. And, the only part of that book that is not sealed is the messages to the seven churches in Chapters 2 and 3. In fact, the vision was to be sent to the seven churches (Rev. 1:11) but included is a message from the Savior in Chapters 2 and 3. These are two separate things. One is a vision and the other is a message from the Savior. Since the interpretation to the vision is sealed and the message from the Savior is not, then Chapters 2 and 3 are the sayings of the prophecy of this book (Rev. 22:10). As unbelievable as that sounds, if we as a people do not have a common interpretation of the BofR then it remains sealed. However, we can have a common interpretation of Chapters 2 and 3 and it is quite literal with only a few metaphors that are commonly understood.
The other possibility is that the book is sealed until the time is at hand (Rev. 22:10, 1:3). If that is the case then it does not matter how much we consider the BofR because we simply will not understand it. So I personally do not like this option and prefer my position that the unsealed portion being Chapters 2 and 3 is correct.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 3, 2022 22:53:26 GMT -6
It appears that Tyre in Isa. 23 could be Tyrus in Ezek. 28.
If so then Great Britain is the island (Isa. 23:6) whose merchants (Isa. 23:8) are spoken of in Rev. 18:3.
It follows that the prince of Tyrus is Prince Charles.
Just a thought.
The connection is that someone pulls Prince Charles out by the roots (Dan. 7:8); destroying the kingly line.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 5, 2022 1:16:44 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:1
Please notice that four are referenced in this verse:
1) "The revelation of Jesus Christ, 2) which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. 3) He made it known by sending his angel 4) to his servant John,"
Please notice the line up of these four as follows"
Jesus Christ (right), God (center), his angel (left), John
As you can see, if these four are looking at you then Jesus Christ is to the right hand of God, and the angel is to the left hand of God. Lastly, John is to the left hand of the angel. This placement is an important point of consideration because Jesus is always to the right hand of God. And for this reason then we can say that the verse is designed to present the faces of the four to us; that they are looking at us.
Another interesting aspect of this verse is the use of the word "his" in three different places: 2) "his" servants, 3) "his" angel, and 4) "his" servant John. If we say that the word "his" refers to Jesus Christ then the verse can be written as:
1) "The revelation of Jesus Christ, 2) which God gave him to show to his (Jesus Christ's) servants the things that must soon take place. 3) He made it known by sending his (Jesus Christ's) angel 4) to his (Jesus Christ's) servant John,"
However, if we consider the verse as saying that "his" refers to God, then the verse has this appearance"
1) "The revelation of Jesus Christ, 2) which God gave him to show to his (God's) servants the things that must soon take place. 3) He made it known by sending his (God's) angel 4) to his (God's) servant John,
I merely point this out to highlight the profound nature of the verse and that both scenarios exist at the same time. That "his" refers to both Jesus Christ and God; that his angel is both Jesus Christ's angel and God's angel; and that John is both Jesus Christ's servant and God's servant.
Consequently, his servants are those serving both Jesus Christ and God. Further clarification to this is given in Rev. 14:1 wherein the 144,000 are standing with Christ having God's name in their foreheads. They belong to the Father via the fact that they have his name in their foreheads and they stand ready to serve at the command of the Lamb of God.
Another interesting thing to consider about the verse is derived from it's chiasmus form as follows:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,"
I hope that you can see the multiple configurations the most obvious of which is that the revelation of Jesus Christ to his servant John. This is clearly outlined in Chapter 1 wherein John is told by the Savior to write to the seven churches (Rev. 1:10-11). The second parallel shows that God gave Jesus and he made it known by sending his angel, and this is most profoundly outlined in Chapter 5 wherein "a strong angel" converses with John about the opening of the seven seals (Rev. 5:1-7). And lastly we see the servants are to be shown what must soon take place and this begins in Chapter 6 where it is highlighted that John is to "come and see" (Rev. 6:1, 3, 5, 7).
Another thing that I would like to point out about the verse chiasmus is the central position that pertains to the servants of God and Jesus Christ as follows:
Jesus Christ, God, his servants (chiasmus center), his angel, his servant John
This placement of his servants holding the central position of the very first verse of the very first chapter of the book sets the tone of the book. That not only is the book to them but it is also about them. The entire revelation revolves around them; and this becomes self evident as we go further into the book with statements like: "come out of her my people" (Rev. 18:4) and "his Bride has made herself ready" Rev. 19:7, etc.
The big elephant in the room with respect to this verse (v. 1:1) is the statement "to show his servants the things that must soon take place." There are perhaps several reasons for saying this in this way, like: providing some reassurance to the early saints that the end is near, or that they would see tribulations prior to the Savior's return. However, from our perspective here in the last days the language does not seem to fit; because, "soon" when John wrote those words was 2,000 years ago. Another possibility is that when considering God's timeline "soon" is several thousands of years; and in this case 2,000 years. So there are countless explanations for using the language that to us implies in the next few years; soon. And, I do not know if one explanation has more validity than the others. But to me, "soon" refers to the time that when we see the end times approaching then the events of the BofR is soon at hand.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 5, 2022 11:41:38 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:2
When I researched this verse several years ago I discovered that "the word of God" is stipulated to in the first chapter of John's gospel work at John 1:1.
I also found that the testimony of Jesus is stipulated to in the ending chapter (Ch. 21) at John 21:22-24.
Thus, all the things that John saw was between the "word of God" at Verse 1:1 and the testimony of Jesus at Verse 21:22-24.
So when Rev. 1:2 states:
1) "who bore witness to the word of God 2) and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, 3) even to all that he saw."
Then it is easy to see that
1) "who bore witness to the word of God (pertains to John 1:1) 2) and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, (pertains to John 21:22-24) 3) even to all that he saw. (pertains to everything between Verses 1:1 and 21:22-24)
Secondly, when the verse chiasmus is considered then the central position emphasizes "the testimony of Jesus Christ" that is defined as shown in the gospel verses (John 21:22-24), wherein John states that Jesus' testimony is true (John 21:24). So what was Jesus' testimony but that John would tarry till Jesus comes again (John 21:22). In other words, in Rev. 1:10 where John is saying that he is at the isle called Patmos for the word of God, we know that it means he is there for Jesus. And where it states in that verse that he is there for the testimony of Jesus Christ we know that he is saying that he is at the isle Patmos till Jesus comes. Thus, he was there for Jesus and till Jesus comes and this is the correct definition for these metaphors in that verse (IMO).
"who bore witness to the word of God (John bore witness of Jesus) and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, (John's promise from Jesus to live till he comes) even to all that he saw." (the gospel according to John)
As you can see, Rev. 1:2 shows us that the author of The Book of Revelation is the same person that wrote The Gospel According to John.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 5, 2022 19:30:57 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:3
First of all, please notice that it is part of a three-verse-set comprising Rev. 1:1-3. But before we get to that, please look at this verse in chiasmus form as follows:
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, blessed are those who hear and (blessed are those who) keep what is written in it, for the time is near."
I added the parentheses and insert in the third part to help clarify what the verse is saying. That is, of the three conditions that are to read, hear, and keep; the verse is saying that those who "hear" have the central position and the emphasis of the verse. It is anyone's guess as to why those who hear are more inclined to be favored in the verse, but it makes me think of Isa. 6:9 wherein those who hear do not understand. However, since Rev. 1:3 states "blessed are those who hear" then it seems to be saying blessed are those who hear and understand. And that is where the true dichotomy lies; because, to the best of my knowledge, no one really understands the Book of Revelation.
If that is the case and no one understands this book, then it can be truly stated that the time is near (Rev. 1:3) but not at hand (Rev. 22:10). Because, when the time is at hand, then we will understand parts of the book if not all of the book. We will see the things that are spoken of in the book as they come to pass, and at that time we will understand. It is like some prophecies are easier to see when the events described therein have past. Such was the case when Jesus walked with the two and explained scripture to them (Luke 24:25-27). It was easier to understand after the events described had transpired.
Thus, Rev. 1:3 is saying (IMO), blessed are those who understand for the time is near. However, when the prophesized events transpire, blessed are those who remember the words of this book because it will be then that they understand.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 6, 2022 1:12:07 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:4-6
These three verses are a set that comprise the greetings of the book.
v. 1:4, "John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, v. 1:5, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood v. 1:6, and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
So we have the following:
Greetings to the seven churches: 1) v. 1:4, from John to the seven churches that are in Asia 2) v. 1:4, from the Savior to the seven churches that are in Asia 3) v. 1:4 and from the seven spirits before his throne to the seven churches that are in Asia
Recognition that the seven spirits received from Jesus their position as a kingdom of priests and their appreciation to the Savior for that honor. 4) v. 1:5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness ... and ruler of kings on the earth (they received their kingships from Jesus) 5) v. 1:6 to him (Jesus) who loves us ... and made us a kingdom of priests to his God and Father (thus, they extend their appreciation to the Savior)
Recognition and appreciation to God the Father 6) v. 1:6 to him (the Father) be glory .... (thus, they extend their greetings to the Father)
I hope that I have clarified the greetings sufficiently to show that there are three parts the first of which is to the churches in Asia that is 1) from John, 2) from the Savior, and 3) from the seven spirits. The second part addresses the point that the seven spirits received from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and ruler of kings on the earth; their kingships and as a kingdom of priests by which they will reign upon the earth (Rev. 5:10). Last of all there is the recognition of appreciation to God the Father who made it all possible.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 6, 2022 11:50:01 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:7
This verse is the bold stand alone declarative statement in the introduction that Jesus' coming. The obvious link to the harvest is the metaphor "clouds" linking to Rev. 14:14. In other words, Verse 1:7 is the sledge hammer in the room with power and judgment at it's core. So here we have in the BofR introduction in clear unambiguous terms that Jesus is coming, and this must have been a great reassurance and comfort to the saints of the early church. I would speculate to say that the verse's purpose here in the introduction was just that.
"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, (Rev. 14:14-16) and every eye will see him, (Rev. 19:5-9) even those who pierced him, (Rev. 20:11) and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. (Rev. 11:18-19, 16:18-21) Even so. Amen."
Keep in mind that those with "eyes to see" are the saints, and those who pierced him are the wicked that flee.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 6, 2022 19:16:22 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:8
The Savior does not mince words when it comes to who he is and this is shown here in Verse 1:8. In fact, this is one of the markers that I look for when testing claims from some people that they have received revelation from the Savior. Lord Jesus is bold in this regard; he knows who he is and states it as fact.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
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Post by boraddict on Jan 6, 2022 22:51:58 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:9
To me this is the best verse of Chapter 1. Because, John states that he is our brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom, and patience of Jesus Christ. That is a lot! It shows that John is writing to the saints of the early church that were in tribulation. Reassuring them that they are in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ; thus, they are at the Savior's command. Secondly, we are also at the Savior's command as we wait in tribulation in the patience of Jesus Christ.
I would also like to point out the number 4 that is a reoccurring theme throughout the book. As in, 1) brother, 2) companion, 3) kingdom, and 4) patience, as mentioned above. After these four things the verse turns to other points of interest; that John was at the isle of Patmos, for Lord Jesus, and to live till Jesus comes. Please notice these items in the verse chiasmus as follows:
"I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God (John 1:1) and the testimony of Jesus." (John 21:22-24)
It does not get more beautiful than that. Wow!
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Post by boraddict on Jan 7, 2022 15:06:32 GMT -6
Understanding Rev. 1:10
This verse is a continuation of Rev. 1:9 from the perspective that John was waiting for the return of Lord Jesus. That is, John said that he was at the isle of Patmos for the Word of God (for Lord Jesus) and for the testimony of Jesus Christ (until Lord Jesus returns). In other words, at Verse 1:10 John is saying that while he was waiting for Lord Jesus' great return, and on the Sabbath day, he found himself in spirit and heard behind him The Savior speaking to him. So although Lord Jesus had returned to John personally, with John in spirit; John had been waiting for the great return of the Savior as all the saints were doing at that time.
These two verses (vv. 1:9-10) are the chapter center as noted by the Savior speaking on either side as follows:
Rev. 1:8, The Savior speaks Rev. 1:9, 10, .... "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet" Rev. 1:11, The Savior speaks
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