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Post by mike on Mar 10, 2021 8:07:43 GMT -6
You know the thing that is difficult is that we hold dear to our faith. To me this verse really sums up our faith
But as we await the redemption of our bodies (Rom 8:23) and eagerly I may add, we tend to grab onto things that may help support this desire to come to fruition. In this case I can see this happening as it happened to me. We add together a single verse about a fig tree (out of context) with Psa 90 (also out of context) and voila we have 1948 + 70 or 80 yrs. before the Lord returns. While I wish for this to be an inescapable truth, it simply is not. It is therefore our responsibility to example the scriptures carefully, without preconceived leading.
Learning new things is always exciting to me, even when the thing learned is not what I had hoped for, but I rather rejoice in that I am enlightened to truth and error cast aside.
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Post by Natalie on Mar 10, 2021 8:44:27 GMT -6
Psalm 90 actually came up in my daily reading yesterday. I noticed that it was written by Moses (which I think I knew but forgot). Why did Moses say that our years are 70 or 80 when he lived to be 120? Was he just an exception?
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Post by mike on Mar 10, 2021 8:55:32 GMT -6
Psalm 90 actually came up in my daily reading yesterday. I noticed that it was written by Moses (which I think I knew but forgot). Why did Moses say that our years are 70 or 80 when he lived to be 120? Was he just an exception? No I dont think so. There have been many who have lived longer than that. Every year we hear about the oldest person alive being 113 or 114 or something like that. Perhaps speaking generally of the vast majority where most do not live beyond 70 and if they have some 'vigor' 80. Albert Barnes notes from biblehub sum it up better than Mike can  |
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Post by david on Mar 11, 2021 7:19:26 GMT -6
Psalm 90 actually came up in my daily reading yesterday. I noticed that it was written by Moses (which I think I knew but forgot). Why did Moses say that our years are 70 or 80 when he lived to be 120? Was he just an exception? No I dont think so. There have been many who have lived longer than that. Every year we hear about the oldest person alive being 113 or 114 or something like that. Perhaps speaking generally of the vast majority where most do not live beyond 70 and if they have some 'vigor' 80. Albert Barnes notes from biblehub sum it up better than Mike can I've been thinking Moses was referring to the fact that the older members of the exodus would die (because they accepted the bad report) before they reached the promised land. Since they would be 40 more years in the wilderness, 30 year-olds would have to die by 70 and 40s by 80, etc. |
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Post by mike on Mar 11, 2021 8:28:51 GMT -6
david very possible too - Moses reflecting on those whos carcass would rot in the wilderness (Num 14:29) PS - I tried to edit your post to move what you said outside of what you quoted. I thought I knew how to do this but apparently I do not  I changed the font color to make it stand out from the quoted text
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Post by david on Mar 12, 2021 2:30:19 GMT -6
Thanks for the font color change, Mike! I knew it might look confusing, but I was hesitant to change previous text in the posting.
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 12, 2021 8:37:24 GMT -6
Thanks, Natalie. I don't think I've ever heard that before- Moses wrote that Psalm? Wow.
Mike said it well. It's not just that he's an exception- but more that it's the average range. No where in scripture does it say that no one will live more than 80. We all know an aunt or Great grandparent who ate lard for 30 years and lived to be upper 80s. That's why I've said that's its foolish /incorrect to extrapolate that the rapture has to happen by the 80th year of Israel's birth. The same generation that saw Israel become a nation also saw the Holocaust and there are still scores of people alive- so that Generation has not passed away.
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Post by boraddict on Mar 12, 2021 17:55:15 GMT -6
Thanks, Natalie. I don't think I've ever heard that before- Moses wrote that Psalm? Wow. Mike said it well. It's not just that he's an exception- but more that it's the average range. No where in scripture does it say that no one will live more than 80. We all know an aunt or Great grandparent who ate lard for 30 years and lived to be upper 80s. That's why I've said that's its foolish /incorrect to extrapolate that the rapture has to happen by the 80th year of Israel's birth. The same generation that saw Israel become a nation also saw the Holocaust and there are still scores of people alive- so that Generation has not passed away. I think the age limit changed from one day that is 1,000 years to 120 years (Gen. 6:3). Please notice that the previous chapter ends with Noah and those people live up to but not over 1,000 years. However, sometime after the flood the ages came down to be 120 that we have today that no one lives beyond. |
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Post by mike on Mar 12, 2021 19:30:17 GMT -6
Something to do with the result of the flood catastrophe. Pterodactyls couldnt fly in the atmosphere we have today. Science!
But the environment was much different at thst time and likely played a role in the longevity.
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Post by yardstick on Mar 12, 2021 20:58:05 GMT -6
Something to do with the result of the flood catastrophe. Pterodactyls couldnt fly in the atmosphere we have today. Science! But the environment was much different at thst time and likely played a role in the longevity. My bet is higher atmospheric pressure and higher oxygen content than what we have now. |
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 12, 2021 22:39:38 GMT -6
The interesting thing is that the verse boraddict mentioned- that the days of man would be 120 years was written before Noah and Methusaleh who lived over 900 years. This was also nothing to do with Lifespan. Rather it is saying that the total time [years for humanity/ mankind is 7000 years. 6000 years plus 1000 year millennial reign. Check this out - it means 120 jubilee cycles. 120 x 50 =6000. |
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Post by venge on Mar 13, 2021 11:38:11 GMT -6
Or it could be that God was saying in 120 years, from the time he said it, he would destroy mankind
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Post by Natalie on Mar 13, 2021 12:06:55 GMT -6
That is true if Genesis 6:1-4 is a flashback.
Gen 5:32 has Noah at 500, then Gen 6:3 has the statement of 120 years, then Noah is 600 when the flood comes. (Gen 7:22)
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Post by yardstick on Mar 13, 2021 12:24:54 GMT -6
Or, all of the above is true, because the creator of the universe is not one-dimensional...
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 13, 2021 22:08:36 GMT -6
We know it couldn't be that Moses was referring to the end of mankind in the flood in 120 years, because the statement was 100 years before the flood, and also because the flood wasn't the end of mankind. Malachi 4 is a Messianic prophecy- and it mentions the Messiah as the S-u-n of righteousness, not the Son of righteousness. This was rabbinical teaching technique called "remez" where a word or phrase of a passage is cited to make the student recall the passage. The Jews remembered the passage from Genesis that the sun was created on the fourth day and so they expected the Messiah to come in the fourth 1000 year day. And just like prophesied he came at the end of the 4th "day". We see further confirmation of this in Hosea. biblehub.com/hosea/6-2.htm. Christ came on the 4th day just as the Sun appeared on the 4th day, and now we are almost at the end of 2 1000 year days. Look at the rapture imagery. "After 2 days he will revive us, on the 3rd day He will raise us up." Wow!! |
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