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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 10:59:17 GMT -6
Incidentally, as much as it's an escape, more wonderfully, it's a rescue. Truth be told fitz. You are correct and in every theory, we all believe we are removed from the wrath therefore we all believe in a form of "escapism" from wrath. It is just when does it happen that we differ on. I didnt specify above, but I think he was eluding to escape from tribulation which is persecution. Nowhere are we said to escape from that; instead we are to endure it. Amen! And thank you, Venge. It is not just a matter of enduring. We must serve. We must overcome. We are part of the plan and right now, most of us think we are just going to be removed and sit on clouds for the next 7 years. NO! You shall represent truth and light during the fight. You must be present. You shall not be removed. Stand up my people, for the hour is soon upon us! |
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2020 11:04:08 GMT -6
stellaluxor not understanding one another happens a lot, especially in non-verbal, written only communication. Someone like me struggles with this since I use body language, hand gestures and facial expression to communicate best. I often blow it here with most trying to get points across. I wouldnt necessarily say this is true. While this is done its not the primary thing happening. I would rather say we see the world through the lense of the scriptures and talk about these things in that light, helping one another understand and see. I'm not sure how one could make that assessment in one post on their first day. So we do have fairly open discussions here with minimal rules. If you havent read them yet I encourage you to do so here. How you position your above statement violates Rule #1. While you hold a different view of the RotD/Rapture timing, others do not. Since these events a future and no one can claim they know of a certainty we exercise caution and present our view points but exclaiming someone is wrong is a violation of the rule (which may not have read yet) EDIT - and while composing my above you further violate the rule. Please figure out how to present your view with respect and love to your brothers and sisters if you intend to continue dialogue here. Thank you
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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 11:06:17 GMT -6
Incidentally, as much as it's an escape, more wonderfully, it's a rescue. Have any of you ever considered what this generation (or you personally) has done that makes it worthy of "rescue" from tribulation, disease, persecution? Is it because you have been raised in America and enjoyed the blessings of this nation? Many around the world and over centuries have suffered and died for the name of Christ and now you somehow have been betrayed into believing that you will will be rescued from these things? Is it because of your great faith? Your purity? NO! You shall not be rescued. Nor shall you desire rescue. By your own acknowledgement you cannot work your way into this - you are either saved or you are not. Take up your cross! Shall you escape the very things your Lord suffered? Are you greater than He? The dragon is overcome thusly: Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 11:15:38 GMT -6
stellaluxor not understanding one another happens a lot, especially in non-verbal, written only communication. Someone like me struggles with this since I use body language, hand gestures and facial expression to communicate best. I often blow it here with most trying to get points across. I wouldnt necessarily say this is true. While this is done its not the primary thing happening. I would rather say we see the world through the lense of the scriptures and talk about these things in that light, helping one another understand and see. I'm not sure how one could make that assessment in one post on their first day. So we do have fairly open discussions here with minimal rules. If you havent read them yet I encourage you to do so here. How you position your above statement violates Rule #1. While you hold a different view of the RotD/Rapture timing, others do not. Since these events a future and no one can claim they know of a certainty we exercise caution and present our view points but exclaiming someone is wrong is a violation of the rule (which may not have read yet) I see - telling someone they are wrong is a violation? Interesting. Sounds similar to what main stream social media is doing these days. They also ban opinions (and facts) that they don't like. I have watched this site for a very long time - so I do have an understanding of how you pose opinions and then politely debate them. As I have stated - this has placed you into a numb state of understanding because you allow for the idea that each idea is just as potentially valid as another and therefore no one can state actual truth and identify it as such. If Daniel had been told that he could not state his message as "right" and another "wrong", I would guess he would have laughed and asked them to take it up with the Lord. I am here to warn this group of believers. I have been sent by the Lord. My message is true. The timing of the so called PreTribulation rapture is incorrect because of several key misunderstandings. My mission here is to speak truth - not seek agreement. I can try to be more "polite". This is an imperative message that must be heard at this point in history. |
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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 11:19:07 GMT -6
EDIT - and while composing my above you further violate the rule. Please figure out how to present your view with respect and love to your brothers and sisters if you intend to continue dialogue here. Thank you So then, mike , how does this site react to someone having a Word from the Lord that disagrees with the typical poster? If the Word from the Lord says, tell them they are wrong and have been sold into a deluded state? Would you suggest I ignore the Word from the Lord? Or ignore the site rules? Are we so easily offended that we cannot be told we are wrong? |
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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 11:28:28 GMT -6
stellaluxor not understanding one another happens a lot, especially in non-verbal, written only communication. Someone like me struggles with this since I use body language, hand gestures and facial expression to communicate best. I often blow it here with most trying to get points across. I wouldnt necessarily say this is true. While this is done its not the primary thing happening. I would rather say we see the world through the lense of the scriptures and talk about these things in that light, helping one another understand and see. I'm not sure how one could make that assessment in one post on their first day. So we do have fairly open discussions here with minimal rules. If you havent read them yet I encourage you to do so here. How you position your above statement violates Rule #1. While you hold a different view of the RotD/Rapture timing, others do not. Since these events a future and no one can claim they know of a certainty we exercise caution and present our view points but exclaiming someone is wrong is a violation of the rule (which may not have read yet) EDIT - and while composing my above you further violate the rule. Please figure out how to present your view with respect and love to your brothers and sisters if you intend to continue dialogue here. Thank you Your highlight in red "As is yours" is the problem to which I am calling attention. The belief that in a plethora of statements, they are each just opinions. So you see my "position" as an opinion. This is the very thing I am being told to warn you about. Not all positions are just opinions. Some are right and some are wrong. I am called to this site to warn them that many of the opinions that express the current basic understanding of a pre-trib rescue are misinformed and that great suffering will result because of this delusion. What I am hearing is that this site does not allow one to proclaim such a truth. Correct? |
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2020 11:44:32 GMT -6
EDIT - and while composing my above you further violate the rule. Please figure out how to present your view with respect and love to your brothers and sisters if you intend to continue dialogue here. Thank you So then, mike , how does this site react to someone having a Word from the Lord that disagrees with the typical poster? If the Word from the Lord says, tell them they are wrong and have been sold into a deluded state? Would you suggest I ignore the Word from the Lord? Or ignore the site rules? Are we so easily offended that we cannot be told we are wrong? OK - so how many times have people said "The Lord told me this..." and theyve been wrong? MANY...With that our resource is not you, it is Him and the Word. How about you present your analysis using the Word to show those who hold a different view of prophecy instead of jumping in here telling many they are wrong about their view. Not to mention you who have invested zero time into getting to know any of the people on this site, coming on here and telling everyone they are wrong because the Lord told you so. EDIT - If churches were open - would you waltz into a church for the first time and tell everyone in the building their speculation on prophecy was wrong? Shouldnt things be handled in an orderly fashion? Again since we are talking about something that has yet to happen, not any one of us can definitively state "my view is correct". Your position and postings read "because Go told me to tell you that you are wrong" but you are lacking in your presentation. Put it together...show those here who do study where they may be mis-guided. For your own edification, you are not the solitary on this site who does not agree with a pre-trib view. There are more than you think. I suppose the Lord didnt tell you about that though. He needed you to warn and rescue the Unsealed faithful. Thank you |
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 26, 2020 12:01:28 GMT -6
I have to agree with mike, on this. I believe everything we "need" to know is in the scriptures. So for someone to come and say, "the Lord told me to tell everyone...", there should be scripture to back it up. Either that or God will tell everyone of His children the same thing He told you. He knows the hearts and minds of His children. He knows who are His and who are not. We all know that if we say "God said this to me..." that we will be called to account for it eventually. Opinions and speculations are how things get figured out. With an open mind those opinions and speculations change until all agree. Some of the ideas we have won't be clarified until we are with our Lord Jesus. We are human. We are flawed until we are flawless.
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Post by venge on Oct 26, 2020 12:30:45 GMT -6
Sounds like a clear violation of rule #1 to me. Because I said something you disagree with? Time is short and I am not here to soft pedal the truth. At this site, you have all become accustomed to sharing opinions and then politely debating those opinions. That is fine and dandy, but they are all just opinions. This has led you all to a place in the mind where you think one opinion about the End of the Age and the Day of the Lord is just as good or likely true as another opinion. This is not the case. Some opinions are just wrong and others are right. There will be no pre-tribulation rapture. I am here to warn you of this. Most peoples whole concept of the tribulation is skewed and prevents understanding of what shall come at the End of the Age (EoA) and the Day of the Lord (DoL). We must prepare ourselves to serve - not be lifted out. We must overcome - not be rescued. This is your warning. If it is not spoken politely enough, I'll try to soften, but I am more concerned about impacting this site with the truth before the are caught up in a great deception that is already upon them. , Where do you place the Day of the Lord? Do you hold to a certain theory or specific scripture? I wanted to highlight something you said above. I agree that we should prepare ourselves to serve, I believe that is the Church's responsibility and we have failed in many ways regarding it today. And as you said, we must overcome...but we will be rescued (before the wrath) as all theories regardless of DotL placement agree. For me, I believe we go through tribulation because the actual word never means God's wrath. That is, whether you use "thlipsis" which means: persecution, affliction, distress, tribulation and is taken from Matthew 24 which describes a great tribulation. The other is the word "orge" which is: anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance Some believe "Orge" could be God's wrath, but normally appears to be vengeance. Whereas, if we look to the bowl judgments we have "Thumos" which is God's wrath. Defined as: an outburst of passion, wrath It is said: 1. The bowls are his holy wrath in Rev 15:1 2. The wine of the wrath of God, poured without mixture is his Holy wrath in Rev 14:10 3. The winepress in Rev 19:15 is his Holy Wrath So, I understand you feel "thlipsis" is not God's wrath because the definition agrees with persecution, which is another way of saying tribulation. We have 2 texts we can use: 1 Thess 1:10 which says: This wrath is "Ogre". So by this, "thlipsis" or tribulation is not God's wrath based upon the subject of being saved from it. We would go through tribulation like all men have throughout time. Being a Christian doesnt keep you from wicked men or from experiencing extreme hardships like believers in Africa, China or the middle east. The other is 1 Thess 5:9 This is also "Orge". Not "thlipsis". This proves that the wrath we are to be saved from is either "thumos" or "Orge" but never tribulation. |
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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 13:04:20 GMT -6
So then, mike , how does this site react to someone having a Word from the Lord that disagrees with the typical poster? If the Word from the Lord says, tell them they are wrong and have been sold into a deluded state? Would you suggest I ignore the Word from the Lord? Or ignore the site rules? Are we so easily offended that we cannot be told we are wrong? OK - so how many times have people said "The Lord told me this..." and theyve been wrong? MANY...With that our resource is not you, it is Him and the Word. How about you present your analysis using the Word to show those who hold a different view of prophecy instead of jumping in here telling many they are wrong about their view. Not to mention you who have invested zero time into getting to know any of the people on this site, coming on here and telling everyone they are wrong because the Lord told you so. Again since we are talking about something that has yet to happen, not any one of us can definitively state "my view is correct". Your position and postings read "because Go told me to tell you that you are wrong" but you are lacking in your presentation. Put it together...show those here who do study where they may be mis-guided. For your own edification, you are not the solitary on this site who does not agree with a pre-trib view. There are more than you think. I suppose the Lord didnt tell you about that though. He needed you to warn and rescue the Unsealed faithful. Thank you It seems, mike , that you are speaking for this group. Though I understand your unwillingness to believe someone just because they say they are coming with a message from God, this is also the very problem I am describing. No one believes the Word of God anymore. At this point, no one is believable anymore and everyone is just expressing opinions. In any case, this is not about me. You can choose to believe the message or not. That is between you and God. When you say no one can know the future, you express your lack of belief in a true word from God. Too many have stated they had a word and were found to be wrong. So now - no one can have a word, right? Well it doesn't work that way. 1000 false prophets does not make the next true prophet false. Weigh this message in your heart, but you must first remove the dung from your diet in order to truly understand the Word. If not, you will continue to miss the message. It will pass you by like a breeze in a storm and you will have pride in your heart for having missed it. The sarcasm in your last paragraph, is uncalled for. You speak sarcastically against the Lord, even though you may think it is against me. I am not called to convince anyone. I am called to give the Word of God. Those with ears to hear will hear. Those who are part of the flock doomed to scatter will remain so. I have not been given great understanding that I would be able to convince people. I have a simple message. Many believe that the scripture is the only way to hear the Word of God. They believe as if God stopped speaking to his people at a certain point in history. This is not true. God is even speaking to those people, but they have not learned to listen. God still speaks and not just from His bible. I will present the message in its entirety very soon. If you wish to ban me before doing so, so be it. This is my warning so you have a chance to do so. Once I post the message, I will not be logging on again unless asked to deliver another message. |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 26, 2020 13:16:56 GMT -6
stellaluxor , Hebrews 1:1-2 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son.2 Tim 3:17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction and for training in righteousness that the man of God many be competent, equipped for every good work.We have all we need in the Bible. I believe God is still speaking to people, but I also believe that a lot of it is for personal growth and edification. We don't have prophets anymore. And why come here and threaten your warning and then not engage? That's not what this place is about. And please take care how you are speaking to other brothers and sisters in Christ. You've been warned once already. At this late hour, some of us have run out of patience for such behavior.
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Post by venge on Oct 26, 2020 13:30:02 GMT -6
OK - so how many times have people said "The Lord told me this..." and theyve been wrong? MANY...With that our resource is not you, it is Him and the Word. How about you present your analysis using the Word to show those who hold a different view of prophecy instead of jumping in here telling many they are wrong about their view. Not to mention you who have invested zero time into getting to know any of the people on this site, coming on here and telling everyone they are wrong because the Lord told you so. Again since we are talking about something that has yet to happen, not any one of us can definitively state "my view is correct". Your position and postings read "because Go told me to tell you that you are wrong" but you are lacking in your presentation. Put it together...show those here who do study where they may be mis-guided. For your own edification, you are not the solitary on this site who does not agree with a pre-trib view. There are more than you think. I suppose the Lord didnt tell you about that though. He needed you to warn and rescue the Unsealed faithful. Thank you It seems, mike , that you are speaking for this group. Though I understand your unwillingness to believe someone just because they say they are coming with a message from God, this is also the very problem I am describing. No one believes the Word of God anymore. At this point, no one is believable anymore and everyone is just expressing opinions. In any case, this is not about me. You can choose to believe the message or not. That is between you and God. When you say no one can know the future, you express your lack of belief in a true word from God. Too many have stated they had a word and were found to be wrong. So now - no one can have a word, right? Well it doesn't work that way. 1000 false prophets does not make the next true prophet false. Weigh this message in your heart, but you must first remove the dung from your diet in order to truly understand the Word. If not, you will continue to miss the message. It will pass you by like a breeze in a storm and you will have pride in your heart for having missed it. The sarcasm in your last paragraph, is uncalled for. You speak sarcastically against the Lord, even though you may think it is against me. I am not called to convince anyone. I am called to give the Word of God. Those with ears to hear will hear. Those who are part of the flock doomed to scatter will remain so. I have not been given great understanding that I would be able to convince people. I have a simple message. Many believe that the scripture is the only way to hear the Word of God. They believe as if God stopped speaking to his people at a certain point in history. This is not true. God is even speaking to those people, but they have not learned to listen. God still speaks and not just from His bible. I will present the message in its entirety very soon. If you wish to ban me before doing so, so be it. This is my warning so you have a chance to do so. Once I post the message, I will not be logging on again unless asked to deliver another message. , I can tell you, mike , is a good guy. He is one of the most patient people on the forums, something I wish I had more of. I don't think anyone is saying not to speak boldly, especially when we all have a burning desire to share. What Mike is saying is to be cognizant of others that differ from your view - that is out of love. But in some ways you are right, we aught to talk about things that are wrong and rid ourselves of them...but even when the Church did these things before and after Constantine, they sat around and talked about it and searched for the truth together. Mike is only asking that you take your position and feed it to others with gentleness and back it up with scripture. Then those that have differing opinions can look at it. You and I both were Pre-TB in our past and for me, it was YEARS (think over 30yrs) before I left Pre-TB. Others will not go in a day or a week based upon a forum topic. It takes time for anyone to make a move though we want it to be quick because the time is coming. Our job, regardless of what position we hold, is to deliver truth and let others make their mind. If people don't accept truth whether it is a prophecy, or something else in God's word, the person that was speaking truthfully did his/her job. |
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Post by stellaluxor on Oct 26, 2020 13:30:13 GMT -6
venge , Rather than quoting everything and extending the content, I will simply add a response.... You ask: Where do you place the Day of the Lord? Do you hold to a certain theory or specific scripture? I can answer this to a degree, but I must inform you - I am not a teacher, nor do I possess great knowledge. I am a prophet and I hear and interpret the Word of the Lord. So I can only speak of that which I have heard. Anything else would be opinion - which I am not interested in expressing or discussing. My opinion is worthless. When you say, Where do you place the Day of the Lord? Do you mean, at what point in history? Do you mean, what year does it start? Do you mean, after which events in The Revelation? I will state this The Day of the Lord will be heralded by signs in the sun and moon and stars and earth and no one will doubt its arrival. The entirety of creation will be very aware that the great day has arrived. This sign will be followed shortly by the opening of the Day of the Lord. It is upon this opening that the sheep and goats will be separated. Prior to this sign and this day, turmoil, like never in the history of the world, will be unleashed upon the earth. This turmoil is not the wrath of God, but is the result of Satan giving his power and authority to the governments of the earth for a short time. And the Christian Church will still be here during this turmoil. They will serve the people. They will stand for righteousness. Many will be killed. Many will overcome. When you say, Do you hold to a certain theory or specific scripture? I do not understand this question. I hold to no theory that can be written. I hold to all scripture. Each of us lives within out own level of deception and truth. Most of us allow dung to cloud our thinking. Old "truths" we once thought we knew. Now we cannot gain true nourishment because we refuse to throw out the dung. So we eat off the refuse of others and of past beliefs. I have learned to hold only that which the Lord reveals through his Word and through His Spirit. I am happy to express these things, but you will find me uninformed and boring when it comes to debating modern Christian belief systems - they are all towers of infidelity and I have very little time for them.
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2020 13:33:35 GMT -6
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 26, 2020 13:36:18 GMT -6
Many believe that the scripture is the only way to hear the Word of God. They believe as if God stopped speaking to his people at a certain point in history. This is not true. God is even speaking to those people, but they have not learned to listen. God still speaks and not just from His bible. I will present the message in its entirety very soon. If you wish to ban me before doing so, so be it. This is my warning so you have a chance to do so. Once I post the message, I will not be logging on again unless asked to deliver another message. ‘For I testify to every one hearing the words of the prophecy of this scroll, if any one may add unto these, God shall add to him the plagues that have been written in this scroll, and if any one may take away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the scroll of the life, and out of the holy city, and the things that have been written in this scroll;’ he saith — who is testifying these things — ‘Yes, I come quickly!’ Amen! Yes, be coming, Lord Jesus! Rev. 22:18-20
I believe the reason for this verse being in the last paragraph of the last chapter of the last book of the whole of scripture is because Jesus Christ, who spoke this verse through His angel to John, His witness, was telling us this is all we need, don't add to it and don't take away from it. If you have a word from Jesus Christ then there is something in scripture to back you up. Let us know what it is.
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