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Post by mike on Nov 23, 2020 15:52:58 GMT -6
Correct D4L - I thought I didnt make my case well but it seems you understood it. Smoking is completely voluntary except for the 41,000 who die from second smoke. Why not make the case to save lives by starting with a very very simply preventable disease! Start there, then tackle things like (in addition to smoking) TB (10 million cases, 1.5 million deaths), Malaria (roughly 200 million cases, roughly 400k deaths) <-worldwide
I would also like to understand, fully understand why the human immune system isnt adequate to provide someone like me who already coronavirus protection from getting it again. If the FACTS are there and anyone and everyone can catch it a second time (not a one off case) then I would less resistive to a vaccine. For the record - I do not ever get the flu shot
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Post by mike on Nov 24, 2020 8:26:02 GMT -6
venge - you have every right to dissent here. you have every right to be first in line for the vaccine. I also have every right to dissent against the vaccine and not be on that line. As a brother something I suggest that you consider before hopping in line is the long term effects. We do have facts about the dangers of vaccines due to the additives in them causing auto-immune issues such as lupus, autism, Alzheimer's, etc. My wife watches this doctor, who is a holistic type. Many things we need to heal are found in Gods design, not mans attempts. While this video is short and not the one I wanted, it does very very briefly talk about the issue. I suggest you do some research on your own to help mitigate any undesired effects of newly untested vaccine
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Post by venge on Nov 24, 2020 8:51:32 GMT -6
venge - you have every right to dissent here. you have every right to be first in line for the vaccine. I also have every right to dissent against the vaccine and not be on that line. As a brother something I suggest that you consider before hopping in line is the long term effects. We do have facts about the dangers of vaccines due to the additives in them causing auto-immune issues such as lupus, autism, Alzheimer's, etc. My wife watches this doctor, who is a holistic type. Many things we need to heal are found in Gods design, not mans attempts. While this video is short and not the one I wanted, it does very very briefly talk about the issue. I suggest you do some research on your own to help mitigate any undesired effects of newly untested vaccine I am not advocating a mandatory vaccination program. I think people should have a choice. But I also recognize that vaccines have saved lives. If you don’t want the Phizer one, use AstraZeneca. Theirs doesn’t use the same format. Of course we need to be prudent, but we shouldnt cause anxiety on the forums working people up. I’m not saying you do, but I’m saying no one should.
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Post by mike on Nov 24, 2020 11:57:01 GMT -6
venge said: I do realize that, but are you aware that there is much chatter about the vaccine being mandatory? We have documented many of the articles where heads of state and leaders of industry are chirping about this. We as bible learners understand where this is headed. Can some of this cause anxiety? Yes I do believe it can. Is it good to be anxious? (Matt 6:34, Php 4:6) but that doesnt stop some from realizing what is happening while we watch. I need to remind myself that this is not my home, but while I live here I do not have to enjoy or agree with it. ;0)
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Post by bernie on Nov 24, 2020 12:33:51 GMT -6
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Post by venge on Nov 25, 2020 7:54:11 GMT -6
venge said: I do realize that, but are you aware that there is much chatter about the vaccine being mandatory? We have documented many of the articles where heads of state and leaders of industry are chirping about this. We as bible learners understand where this is headed. Can some of this cause anxiety? Yes I do believe it can. Is it good to be anxious? (Matt 6:34, Php 4:6) but that doesnt stop some from realizing what is happening while we watch. I need to remind myself that this is not my home, but while I live here I do not have to enjoy or agree with it. ;0) I have seen plenty of articles say that the vaccine wont be mandated. Here are just 2 of many we can find by searching it. www.today.com/health/will-covid-19-vaccine-be-mandatory-t190838www.fox7austin.com/news/gov-abbott-says-covid-vaccine-will-not-be-mandatory-for-texansNow, can it be required for travel? Yes, because nations don't want to be exposed to other citizens of foreign countries entering and brining in potential endemics. Airlines have a right to do this for international travel. The law states that the Fed Gov (USA) most likely cannot force a mandate. It would be up to state legislatures. And then they'd have to go through much legal precedence to make it fit. Honestly, I do not believe it to be required for the majority of the nation. It could be required for jobs that travel internationally, health care workers, and such. That would be dependent on those employers. Everyone wants to find something and say Ahaha...the mark of the beast. I'm just saying dont jump at it and say Aha! Look at it, think about it and discuss. Getting this vaccine doesnt remove your worship of God, it doesnt make you sin, it doesnt prevent you from reading God's word or witnessing to others. There is nothing with it right now that says it will effect your relationship with God. If the country or businesses choose to use it as a means to say who can operate in and out of certain businesses...it still doesnt change your relationship with God.
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Post by mike on Nov 25, 2020 8:27:34 GMT -6
Thanks Venge I do understand what you are saying. Will a vaccine cause me to not read my bible? No! Could it cause me to have seriously adverse affects? Very possible. Check out this article where the vaccine by AstraZenica is noted to have been given in only half the dose and it wasnt done this way on purpose, it was an accident. Do I want to be part of this experimental accident? No thank you. Not to mention the vaccine they produce is derived from chimpanzee DNA. Again no thank you. We wont be 'forced' now, but we will be marginalized as the other articles already prove. We wont be able to fly to other countries without it. What happens when the airlines require it domestically? Or one state requires but another doesnt? A long list of problems arise there, but nothing an executive order cant overcome. Why the need for the vaccine after all? Is it really necessary? Do we seriously just trust what we are told? Why didnt we have a vaccine for other 'common cold' type viruses in years past? How did they come up with this one oh so fast? Please no need to answer of those, just things I ask myself. Change for evil is normalized incrementally. Look at the homosexual agenda. In the early 90's I recall a show called Will & Grace where they placed the first homosexual character on tv to normalize the person. In previous years we would see people (even Hollywood) poking fun at the LGBT agenda (remember MASH!). Now it has become so main stream that if you dare challenge, you are racist bigot. A little leaven brother...
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 25, 2020 9:19:05 GMT -6
venge said: I do realize that, but are you aware that there is much chatter about the vaccine being mandatory? We have documented many of the articles where heads of state and leaders of industry are chirping about this. We as bible learners understand where this is headed. Can some of this cause anxiety? Yes I do believe it can. Is it good to be anxious? (Matt 6:34, Php 4:6) but that doesnt stop some from realizing what is happening while we watch. I need to remind myself that this is not my home, but while I live here I do not have to enjoy or agree with it. ;0) I have seen plenty of articles say that the vaccine wont be mandated. Here are just 2 of many we can find by searching it. www.today.com/health/will-covid-19-vaccine-be-mandatory-t190838www.fox7austin.com/news/gov-abbott-says-covid-vaccine-will-not-be-mandatory-for-texansNow, can it be required for travel? Yes, because nations don't want to be exposed to other citizens of foreign countries entering and brining in potential endemics. Airlines have a right to do this for international travel. The law states that the Fed Gov (USA) most likely cannot force a mandate. It would be up to state legislatures. And then they'd have to go through much legal precedence to make it fit. Honestly, I do not believe it to be required for the majority of the nation. It could be required for jobs that travel internationally, health care workers, and such. That would be dependent on those employers. Everyone wants to find something and say Ahaha...the mark of the beast. I'm just saying dont jump at it and say Aha! Look at it, think about it and discuss. Getting this vaccine doesnt remove your worship of God, it doesnt make you sin, it doesnt prevent you from reading God's word or witnessing to others. There is nothing with it right now that says it will effect your relationship with God. If the country or businesses choose to use it as a means to say who can operate in and out of certain businesses...it still doesnt change your relationship with God. Hello venge , others, I agree with both you and Mike, that a vaccine, and even this one, won't prevent me from worshipping God, praying, meeting with other believers, and sharing Christ. I don't say it's "The Mark" and I've never heard or seen any thread of any end-times teacher saying it is -- What many do say is that it's a very huge and vital step - setting the stage for the Mark, - getting people used to having their forehead scanned, and then a micro-dot 'invisible tattoo' that can be scanned and which - conveniently, records every aspect of a person's medical history, blood type, medications, blood sugar level, weight, heart rate, and of course, their ID - SS# for accuracy/security, DOB and address. I also just want to point out that the same media that tells us that vaccines won't be mandated, are the ones telling us that there is no evidence of fraud in this election, when there's hundreds of signed affidavits, of people who signed a sworn statement, had it notarized and under penalty of perjury, that they were trained to cheat, lie, ignore late ballots, and run ballots through multiple times, change dates, and even take ballots with no signature and no postmark. It's the same Big-Pharma that pays tens of millions of dollars to doctors and media to 'influence' the public with the huge need, [scare tactics] and pay off Mayors, Governors and school boards to 'require' the vaccine for the good of the general public. My point is that anyone can say "Vaccines won't be mandated - enforced by military like in Denmark", but this is night and day difference than saying, "We won't mandate it, but you won't be able to travel, enter medical facilities, enroll your kids in school, or visit your loved ones, get a job, or use public transport, etc." People can say "Oh, that's just paranoia, but we've already seen this flat out stated by multiple industries - Of course vaccines are not mandated [Read -enforced by the military or national guard] but if you refuse, - then you just can't fly. Qantas already said that they would require a vaccine, and the entire industry would likely be following the same protocol, - to save the flight industry. You just can't enter a nursing home, You just can't work in a hospital. You just can't enter a grocery store. I was stopped by people working in stores - in a Home Depot - enforcing the mask mandate. At this time, even aside from Covid 19 - [totally before the Covid hysteria was real] , most schools refuse to enroll students without vaccines - If you don't like it, - you can always home school. Does anyone really believe that with Covid vaccine being required to fly, that they won't include this for schools.
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Post by dkdono on Nov 25, 2020 10:33:21 GMT -6
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Post by dkdono on Nov 25, 2020 10:33:41 GMT -6
after the covid vaxx
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Post by venge on Nov 25, 2020 12:32:02 GMT -6
Toilet paper should be mandatory. If it isn’t, that’s just sick!
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Post by fitz on Nov 27, 2020 19:07:03 GMT -6
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Post by bernie on Nov 28, 2020 12:13:17 GMT -6
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 28, 2020 20:46:30 GMT -6
Yes, Bernie, Just exactly like I've been saying, bernie. Of course they will say the vaccine won't be mandatory [they mean they won't use physical military force/ won't hold you at gunpoint]. They'll just regulate it so you can't travel, can't use banks and can't go to schools, restaurants, government agencies, courthouses, hospitals or dentists or use public transport, etc.] Any person who doesn't see the handwriting on the wall has their eyes closed, or maybe just really doesn't want to see reality.
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Post by bernie on Nov 29, 2020 11:34:42 GMT -6
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