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Post by mike on May 30, 2020 9:21:48 GMT -6
disciple4lifeLove this! We should not and I believe cannot interpret scripture as if its context was written some other way. Can scripture be applied to all generations? Certainly - but the lense we read it through is critical. Sorry for my side bar
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Post by disciple4life on May 30, 2020 11:24:31 GMT -6
disciple4life Love this! We should not and I believe cannot interpret scripture as if its context was written some other way. Can scripture be applied to all generations? Certainly - but the lense we read it through is critical. Sorry for my side bar Thanks Mike,
Though I haven't been to seminary, - most Christians haven't either, and we don't have to have 4 years of seminary education in order to interpret scripture using basic tools and methods. But this concept of basic principles of Bible Interpretation is one of the most priceless gems I picked up in my intensive 1 year long formal training.
Too many people [this problem is around the world, by-the-way, - Poland, Russia, Germany, Japan, Honduras, Denmark, USA,] assume that just because it doesn't mean something to me - that therefore something written by Jews, about a Jewish man, in a Jewish culture, to a mostly Jewish audience didn't make sense to them either.
It's the same way that if Paul today were addressing a huge crowd in English, in an International Church in lets say Prague - and he said that something happened/ or would happen on the "Day of Fireworks" - there are two huge huge errors that people often make.
1. Make the assumption that the statement doesn't have a meaning - it's just some deep mysterious phrase - to be discussed for thousands of years to come. 2. "It doesn't make sense to me, so it must be meaningless to everyone else" (or more often) - "my understanding based on my culture must be the same as to everyone else"
To the two dozen or so Americans in the room - it is instantly understood that Paul is clearly referring to 4th of July- American Independence Day. But to the Audience - Europeans from 12 countries Denmark, Czech Republic, France, Poland, Germany, Ukraine, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Greece, Norway and Italy, all these diverse people with different languages and cultures instantly know that this is unmistakably referring to New Years.  Hmmmmm.
The Americans are all confused as to why the 1500 people in the auditorium are nodding in agreement - not realizing that Europeans are not even thinking of 4th of July.
This is perhaps the biggest reason of all as to why there is so much confusion and false teaching regarding "No One Knows the Day or Hour" - It's a well-known and instantly- recognized Jewish idiom - Just as "the 10 day Weekend", has instant meaning to Poles around the world.
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Post by Joe on May 30, 2020 12:36:12 GMT -6
No worries and all very good points. I would like to point out a couple of things. Theories... If the Lord's voice sounded like a trumpet at Mount Sinai when the Jews were in the desert and the voice of an Arch Angel is also referred to the rapture. Maybe the "last trump" could be the Lord's calling but more than once. Remember, the dead are called first and then the living. Again, just some theory I've been thinking about. Also, maybe the living would know the time because they heard the dead called up. I always believed that we would know when the rapture was coming but wasn't always sure how soon. I don't think anyone was trying to trick us by any means but the event would be on the Father's time. But it could happen on a fall feast. Either way, it must be soon. The generation clock is running out of time. GOD bless!  |
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Post by Gary on May 30, 2020 14:45:33 GMT -6
My only thoughts to add about "no one knows the day or hour" is that the immediately preceding verse (Mt. 24:35) refers to the destruction of heaven and earth, and right before that is the Second Coming (vv. 30-34), so a pretty good contextual case could be made that the oft-used "no one knows" is referring to either or both of those, rather than the rapture or beginning of the Trib/Day of the LORD. Also, I'm open to the possibility it is an idiom for Yom Teruah; my only hesitation is that I haven't yet found any early evidence for that. There is a Jewish reference book from the early 1900s or late 1800s that makes that connection, but I'm not sure where it is sourced from.
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Post by sog on Jun 1, 2020 14:13:13 GMT -6
... What is usually the next major part of the pregnancy? I’d suggest it is the moving/kicking of the baby. When does that usually start? Again, for most women it’s 4-6 months along. What is in that time frame? If you guessed the Festival of Weeks/Pentecost on 5/ 28/2020, you get a big thumbs up. So what could represent a baby kicking on Earth? An Earthquake? A war? Worldwide economic collapse? I will be looking for something major during that time frame. ... This is part of what I posted on April 8th. So let's find out what happened/is happening at that day/time frame. This is from Dan Matson's site: watchfortheday.org/28may2020.htmlFrom link - May 24 at 9:55 AM · "Originally Comet Atlas was going to make perihelion on Pentecost Sunday in one piece. Now it will make perihelion on Thursday May 28th in 5 pieces aligned with the Pleiades." ... "Whatever happens this Thursday besides for this alignment, it must also be noted that it comes at the fish number of 153 days before Get in the Ark Day 2020."  This is what happened in the heavens. The comet ATLAS splinters into 5 pieces on 5/ 28/20 (Shavuot - Jewish Pentecost) at Perihelion aligned with Pleiades. Also, 5/ 28/20 is 153 days from 10/ 28/20 (Get on Ark Day). 153? What is so special about that? How about John 21:1-14 or specifically verse 11 Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Jesus, also known as a fisher of men, helped them draw in exactly 153 fish. That number also has some very unique mathematical properties, like this - "As a triangular number, 153 is the sum of the first 17 integers". 17 as in maybe 2017 and the Rev. 12 sign? and this - "The distinct prime factors of 153 add up to 20". 20 as in maybe 2020 and rapture? Maybe. Lot's of other amazing qualities to the number. Read from Wikipedia. This is the first thing it says - "Jesus did 153 direct personal healing/meetings in the NT." (I didn't look them all up to verify, but very interesting) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/153_(number)#:~:text=In%20the%20BibleSo is the greatest fisher going to cast his net again in 153 days for his greatest haul ever? I guess we shall see. And what happened on Earth? Well, as the comet was splintering in Heaven, man has been splintering on Earth. It seemed to me that this injustice and rioting really picked up steam on that Thursday and went from mainly just Minneapolis to dozens and dozens of cities nation-wide. There was one headline that says the violence has spread to 140 cities. The U.S. is burning. The baby is kicking ! And a Dragon (spacex) was launched www.spacex.com/launches/ from the Earth into the Heavens a few days later and will remain there until this Fall. Does this symbolize the Dragon, in wait to devour, until the Virgin gives birth. Rev. 12:4 A pregnancy that started on 1/ 28/20 (Peace Deal, Coronavirus, 7.7 earthquake) and ends on 10/ 28/20 (get on Ark Day) ?? |
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Post by bradwatsonmiami on Jun 1, 2020 14:19:11 GMT -6
2020 is going to be extraordinary year. Ya, it's The Apocalypse: global plague, locusts, economic collapse, civil unrest and Tom Brady playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers! |
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Post by sog on Jun 1, 2020 14:31:14 GMT -6
2020 is going to be extraordinary year. Ya, it's The Apocalypse: global plague, locusts, economic collapse, civil unrest and Tom Brady playing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers!The first four, yes. Tom Brady? Meh, maybe if you are a New England Patriots fan. Chuckle. |
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Post by sog on Jun 4, 2020 10:59:49 GMT -6
Interesting article about Full Moons this year. 2020 will have an unusual 13 Full Moons this year rather than 12. The 13th coming in October (1st and 31st). The second is the rare Blue Moon. It's where we get the expression "once in a blue moon". Thought it might tie in with October being a higher watch time this year and the video from Revelation 12 Daily I linked on page 2 where the creator of the video was emphasizing the number 13. www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/tech/236755/strawberry-full-moon-june-spring-mead-honey/ |
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Post by sog on Jul 16, 2020 20:01:35 GMT -6
Another update from Dan Matson at watchfortheday.org A lot of mathematical tie ins with the comet NEOWISE and significant past and future dates including 10/28/2020 get on Ark date. Last diagram is kinda humorous to me. Is God gauging the temperature of the world with the comet? watchfortheday.org/15july2020.html |
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Post by sog on Jul 26, 2020 19:58:57 GMT -6
Latest video from Barry Scarbrough. Talks about 3 Rabbinic prophecies. Don't discount out-of-hand. Watch and listen. Time is short. This fall is as high a watch time as I can think of. Even more than 2017. Of course hindsight is 2020. |
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Post by mike on Jul 27, 2020 6:59:33 GMT -6
sog although I havent listened to this yet I offer my opinion as Paul Dawson has been talking of these for several months now. I posted a comment on his latest (about 4-5 days ago) and did not receive a response. I will post similar here for consideration My comment to Paul is we should not be looking at what I consider to be prophecies from false prophets coming to pass. These prophecies are of to the messiah they are expecting not the One who is coming! We need to exercise great caution with extra biblical info. Just my $0.02 FWIW
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Post by Natalie on Jul 27, 2020 7:21:21 GMT -6
mike, my understanding of Kaduri is that he was a believer. It was revealed in a letter opened after his death.
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Post by mike on Jul 27, 2020 8:03:24 GMT -6
mike , my understanding of Kaduri is that he was a believer. It was revealed in a letter opened after his death. Yes He may have been, but like many other "prophets", well intended or otherwise, I intend to exercise extreme caution with them (think Harold Camping). Not judging his heart as that is not my job...But to live under false pretense, teaching against the gospel (Judaism) his fruit certainly would not have matched what he claimed to believe (cryptically - post-mortem). This is not what the Lord instructed. From that perspective I have a hard time 'trusting' what this man may have said. Is it interesting? Sure. Maybe I'm mistaken and he came to believe on his death bed and then wrote this? Tried and true prophets have their words etched in Gods Word until He returns to reign. Did Kaduri live a life like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Paul or any of the other Jewish rabbis who became believers? If he did I think we'd have heard about him. Others so called prophets may be correct, perhaps not. My trust is in the Word alone, all else that we put hope in can and I believe does/will lead us astray. Those are my thoughts on these as well as the Coverstone et al visions, etc. I am not flat out dismissing but am not putting faith into them either. |
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Post by sog on Jul 27, 2020 8:57:18 GMT -6
mike, I understand what you are saying, but it's possible, as Natalie said, Kaduri became a believer. He saw a vision of Jesus and wrote, somewhat cryptically, that Yehoshua (the Hebrew form of the Aramaic Yeshua) was indeed the Messiah. My understanding is he told his disciples that the Messiah's name was revealed to him and was written on a note hidden among his writings and not to open it until a year after his death. I'd ask that you and all take a moment to listen to the whole video. Barry speaks to why we should at least listen to what these Rabbi said, but also use discernment. So far what Barry said they prophesied seems to be spot on. Time will tell and that very soon. This Fall very likely.
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Post by wasp on Jul 27, 2020 9:13:19 GMT -6
sog, mike, in the comments on Barry's video, someone suggested the reason that Kaduri wanted to wait a year after his death to release his messianic discovery. This person said a Jewish tradition was that once a person has been dead for a year, nothing ill could be said of them, something like that. <shrug> Whether this is valid or not, I don't know. But I was glad to hear a rationale over the year-long delay.
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Hmmmmm. 
