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Post by rstrats on May 22, 2018 6:52:06 GMT -6
1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"
2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.
3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time of His death when His spirit left His body.
4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.
5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.
6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred.
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Post by mike on May 22, 2018 7:34:00 GMT -6
rstrats welcome! I see that a few of your questions are being discussed here You are free to participate in any existing thread as well as creating your own. Just thought I'd point you in a direction where the conversation is already happening.
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 6:41:03 GMT -6
rstrats welcome! I see that a few of your questions are being discussed here You are free to participate in any existing thread as well as creating your own. Just thought I'd point you in a direction where the conversation is already happening. Actually, it isn't. The issue of my topic has never come up in the link that you posted. In fact - as an aside - even most of the comments in the link have nothing to do with the issue of the link. |
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Post by Natalie on May 23, 2018 7:53:29 GMT -6
3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb. What do you think this means and when did it happen? |
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 8:41:29 GMT -6
Natalie,
re: "What do you think this means and when did it happen?"
Simply what it says; that some folks believe that the Messiah was referring to the tomb when He said He would be in "heart of earth" for 3 days and 3 nights.
re: "...when did it happen?"
I don't remember exactly when I initially heard the first person make the assertion, but it was a number of years ago.
Are you a 6th day of the week crucifixion believer?
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Post by Natalie on May 23, 2018 9:13:23 GMT -6
I guess what I am asking is if you thought "heart of the earth" meant something other than the tomb.
No, I think He had to have been crucified earlier in the week. It's not something I have tried to study in great detail, but I do believe it could not have been on the 6th day.
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Post by mike on May 23, 2018 10:27:25 GMT -6
1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth" 2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. 3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb. 4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved. 5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language. 6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred. Sorry about that I thought the link I provided was a full discussion about how many days/what day of the week.
Matt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.
I have always taken this to mean in the tomb for 3 days & 3 nights supported by fulfillment of
Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Rev 1:18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Some see 2 these verses and apply "heart of the earth" meaning death, hell and the grave. So He went in the grave physically, but went to hell to suffer further so we dont have to. I have heard this taught before but am not saying that is what I believe or agree the scripture specifically teaches this way.
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 10:30:46 GMT -6
Natalie,
re: "I guess what I am asking is if you thought 'heart of the earth' meant something other than the tomb."
I see no scriptural reason for thinking that.
re: "No, I think He had to have been crucified earlier in the week."
OK, no problem. Perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 10:35:02 GMT -6
mike,
re: "Sorry about that I thought the link I provided was a full discussion about how many days/what day of the week."
Even if it were all about that, it's an issue for a different topic.
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 10:53:25 GMT -6
mike,
re: "Some see 2 these verses and apply 'heart of the earth' meaning death, hell and the grave."
I edited the OP to include the possibility of the time from the moment of His death. But either way it would still have been on the same calendar day of the week and also the same daytime.
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Post by fitz on May 23, 2018 12:53:28 GMT -6
Some see 2 these verses and apply "heart of the earth" meaning death, hell and the grave. So He went in the grave physically, but went to hell to suffer further so we dont have to. I have heard this taught before but am not saying that is what I believe or agree the scripture specifically teaches this way.
And here is a good teaching on that bit (how I see it). www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-go-to-hell.html |
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 13:57:36 GMT -6
fitz,
The link doesn't work. Does it show examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred?
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Post by mike on May 23, 2018 15:55:25 GMT -6
fitz, The link doesn't work. Does it show examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred? Try that link again please |
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Post by rstrats on May 23, 2018 16:12:27 GMT -6
OK, it works now but it deals with an issue for a different topic.
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Post by fitz on May 23, 2018 20:01:16 GMT -6
OK, it works now but it deals with an issue for a different topic. Sorry I can't answer your question...in fact, I'm not really too sure what you are driving at. If you could be more clear... I was actually responding to Mike's post regarding Jesus descending into hell and what that was all about. |
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