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Post by boraddict on May 31, 2018 21:13:49 GMT -6
boraddict , Would it be safe to suggest that the 'correct' new moon should match the mathematical timeline you have shown, rather than the model matching the moon: Since the known value is the timeline and the unknown value is the moon date? y = mx + b (y is the unknown, x is the known); or alternately: x = ny + a Yes, I thought about that; however, not to the degree that you have mentioned. I felt confident in the time line and that the crescent moon would show 1 Nisan as a Thursday. Thus, according to Daniel's prophecy we should find 27 AD matching the schedule with perhaps a 13th month added to the Hebrew calendar. Perhaps the evidence will show an eclipse or some other indicator to set this all in stone. 1 Nisan (Thursday) 8 Nisan (Thursday) 10 Nisan (Saturday) the weekly Sabbath, Lord Jesus rode into Jerusalem 11 12 13 14 Nisan (Wednesday) Lord Jesus is placed in the tomb, @ 6 PM 15 Nisan (Thursday) the high day Passover, Lord Jesus is in the tomb, the first day ended @ 6 PM 16 Nisan (Friday) in the tomb, the second day ended @ 6 PM 17 Nisan (Saturday) in the tomb and comes out at @ 6 PM, the third day This means that the Roman soldiers were put to sleep at the end of the day but during the daylight hours. |
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Post by rstrats on Jun 1, 2018 4:04:28 GMT -6
Mike, re: "I'm not sure what it is your are trying to understand?" 1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth" 2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. 3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb. 4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved. 5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language. 6. I simply wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred. |
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Post by mike on Jun 1, 2018 6:18:05 GMT -6
rstrats - There was some discussion on some of your questions in this thread. Check it out and let me know if you think it helps or not |
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Post by rstrats on Jun 1, 2018 7:03:06 GMT -6
mike,
re: "There was some discussion on some of your questions in this thread. Check it out and let me know if you think it helps or not"
Thanks, but I'm afraid it doesn't. I don't see where any examples were provided which showed that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
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Post by yardstick on Jun 2, 2018 12:44:03 GMT -6
boraddict , Would it be safe to suggest that the 'correct' new moon should match the mathematical timeline you have shown, rather than the model matching the moon: Since the known value is the timeline and the unknown value is the moon date? y = mx + b (y is the unknown, x is the known); or alternately: x = ny + a Yes, I thought about that; however, not to the degree that you have mentioned. I felt confident in the time line and that the crescent moon would show 1 Nisan as a Thursday. Thus, according to Daniel's prophecy we should find 27 AD matching the schedule with perhaps a 13th month added to the Hebrew calendar. Perhaps the evidence will show an eclipse or some other indicator to set this all in stone. 1 Nisan (Thursday) 8 Nisan (Thursday) 10 Nisan (Saturday) the weekly Sabbath, Lord Jesus rode into Jerusalem 11 12 13 14 Nisan (Wednesday) Lord Jesus is placed in the tomb, @ 6 PM 15 Nisan (Thursday) the high day Passover, Lord Jesus is in the tomb, the first day ended @ 6 PM 16 Nisan (Friday) in the tomb, the second day ended @ 6 PM 17 Nisan (Saturday) in the tomb and comes out at @ 6 PM, the third day This means that the Roman soldiers were put to sleep at the end of the day but during the daylight hours. How would you reconcile the Nisan 10 date on your timeline with this: Deuteronomy 5:14 |
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Post by yardstick on Jun 2, 2018 12:53:33 GMT -6
Mike, re: "I'm not sure what it is your are trying to understand?" 1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth" 2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. 3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb. 4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved. 5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language. 6. I simply wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred. rstrats, Have you received a reply to your questions for the information you are looking for from anyone on the board? If not, there are probably two reasons: 1. No one on the boards currently holds that belief 2. No one on the boards has studied that hypothesis In either case, it appears that no one has the answers you are looking for. On the opposite hand, there have been several posts/threads where the timeline has been clearly defined in terms of a 3-day-in-the-earth scenario. May I inquire what your motive is in asking for the specific infprmation you are looking for? Are you seeking evidence, understanding of a soundly developed position, or something else? |
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Post by boraddict on Jun 2, 2018 15:19:40 GMT -6
Yes, I thought about that; however, not to the degree that you have mentioned. I felt confident in the time line and that the crescent moon would show 1 Nisan as a Thursday. Thus, according to Daniel's prophecy we should find 27 AD matching the schedule with perhaps a 13th month added to the Hebrew calendar. Perhaps the evidence will show an eclipse or some other indicator to set this all in stone. 1 Nisan (Thursday) 8 Nisan (Thursday) 10 Nisan (Saturday) the weekly Sabbath, Lord Jesus rode into Jerusalem 11 12 13 14 Nisan (Wednesday) Lord Jesus is placed in the tomb, @ 6 PM 15 Nisan (Thursday) the high day Passover, Lord Jesus is in the tomb, the first day ended @ 6 PM 16 Nisan (Friday) in the tomb, the second day ended @ 6 PM 17 Nisan (Saturday) in the tomb and comes out at @ 6 PM, the third day This means that the Roman soldiers were put to sleep at the end of the day but during the daylight hours. How would you reconcile the Nisan 10 date on your timeline with this: Deuteronomy 5:14Thank you yardstick, for the question. It is my understanding that the Pharisees laid claim to the role as lord's of the Sabbath with their takanot (laws enacted by the rabbis which change or negate Torah law) that is supposedly binding upon God. The following are a few examples of Lord Jesus violating the takanot as well as legitimate Torah law: 1) healing on the Sabbath (Mark 3:1-6, Luke 6:6-11, John 5:1-16) 2) plucking and eating corn on the Sabbath (Matt. 12:1-8, Luke 6:5) However, as the true Lord of the Sabbath, Lord Jesus did change and negate Torah law. Some examples are: 1) the beatitudes (Matt. Ch. 5, 6, and 7) 2) ended the animal sacrifice I think the Savior repeatedly violated the takanot and Torah law on the Sabbath day to be "in your face" to the powers at that time. He needed to sacrifice himself for sin; thus, he as Lord of the Sabbath rode the donkey into Jerusalem on the Sabbath day in clear violation of legitimate Torah law. This he did in front of thousands of people embarrassing the Jewish leaders who claimed to be the lords of the Sabbath. However, he as the true Lord of the Sabbath could make an exception to the law for himself as he did in the case of the disciples, David, and the priests (Matt. 12:1-8). That is my best answer. |
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Post by boraddict on Jun 2, 2018 15:27:08 GMT -6
1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth" 2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. 3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time of His death when His spirit left His body. 4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved. 5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language. 6. I wonder if anyone who falls in that group of believers could provide examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred. Perhaps Matt. 26:17-19 17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? 18 And he said,Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. 19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. This Passover was the last supper, not the actual Passover since Lord Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover began. |
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Post by fitz on Jun 2, 2018 17:07:49 GMT -6
rstrats did you see my post on page 2 of this thread? The link I posted there is to a book. That book seems to be about this subject and certain colloquial sayings such as "heart of the earth" which may give you a clue. Or not...I don't know, but thought it was worth following up. My post is here... unsealed.boards.net/post/22438/thread
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Post by rstrats on Jun 2, 2018 18:32:51 GMT -6
fitz, re: "rstrats did you see my post on page 2 of this thread? The link I posted there is to a book. " Sorry, I thought I had replied but I see it was with regard to your 1st link. However, my reply there can also be applied to your 2nd one. I don't see where it provides examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred. |
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Post by rstrats on Jun 3, 2018 4:22:09 GMT -6
yardstick,
re: "Have you received a reply to your questions for the information you are looking for from anyone on the board?"
Not yet.
re: "...it appears that no one has the answers you are looking for."
But there is always the possibility that someone new looking in may know of examples.
re: "On the opposite hand, there have been several posts/threads where the timeline has been clearly defined in terms of a 3-day-in-the-earth scenario."
Agreed, but that's an issue for a different topic.
re: "May I inquire what your motive is in asking for the specific infprmation you are looking for?"
Simple curiosity. I would merely like to know if it was common in the 1st century or before to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
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Post by rstrats on Sept 15, 2018 7:54:47 GMT -6
Maybe someone new visiting this topic might know of examples.
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Post by rstrats on Dec 16, 2018 7:56:45 GMT -6
Nobody yet, but you never know about the future.
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Post by davewatchman on Dec 16, 2018 8:50:31 GMT -6
Nobody yet, but you never know about the future. Yep, you never know the future. I'm a Good Friday guy though. Jesus ate the real Passover at conjunction. This reminds me of the Godzilla Brothers thread that i lost track of. Too many threads to keep track of, and so little time. I think i lost track of part of this one too. I don't know about tomorrow I just live for day to day I don't borrow from the sunshine For it's skies may turn to gray I don't worry o'er the future For I know what Jesus said And today I'll walk beside Him For He knows what lies ahead |
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Post by rstrats on Dec 16, 2018 9:24:49 GMT -6
davewatchman, re: "I'm a Good Friday guy though." How do you account for the lack of a third night? |
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