danielsdays
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Post by danielsdays on Mar 28, 2018 22:11:19 GMT -6
My Response to feedback: Thank You everyone for responding and I really appreciate the feedback. I do agree I may be wrong about the 2300 days and that some of this was fulfilled already with Antiochus Epiphanes. I do not subscribe to the idea that it all happened in the past and I think too much of prophecy is attributed to that time period. Please look at the angel Gabriel's explanation of the dream. Daniel 8:17 As he came near the place where I was standing, I was terrified and fell prostrate. “Son of man,”8:17 The Hebrew phrase ben adam means human being. The phrase son of man is retained as a form of address here because of its possible association with “Son of Man” in the New Testament. he said to me, “understand that the vision concerns the time of the end.”
18 While he was speaking to me, I was in a deep sleep, with my face to the ground. Then he touched me and raised me to my feet. 19He said: “ I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath, because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end. Hey folks! I was studying the book of Daniel and I believe I discovered something but wanted to bounce the idea of you folks. I believe I am right but I am open and desire other opinions. OK so Daniel talks about several sets of days. Please see chart below. OK let me just start with the fact that I believe Daniel's days are to be counted backwards from the end of Tribulation, 7 years. I have two questions and then my observation.Question 1. Why are so many people on YouTube saying that "the Bible doesn't say the Tribulation is 7 years"? It's obvious it is. Look at the vision of 70 weeks, 69 have passed but 1 week has not. look at the 7-year peace treaty. Look at Daniels prophecy about the 2 periods of 1260 which equal 7 years. Question 2. Why does everyone add on days to the tribulation time which Daniel clearly said was 2520 days? The answer isn't to add days on, rather to keep all of Daniels days within the 7 years. So subtract the days from the end and they become not only clear but they also reveal a great mystery; the exact days of important events. My observation through recent study of Daniel.1. Two sets of 1260 days which equal 2520 days (divided by 360 Hebrew calendar days equals 7 years i.e. the Tribulation Period.) 2. One period of 1290 days. I believe this is talking about the day that the Abomination of Desolation happens. So exactly 30 days before the halfway point is when that happens. So day 1230 of the Tribulation period which starts when the peace treaty is signed. 3. One period of 1335 days. Blessed are those who survive it. I believe this means the day when persecution starts. I mean severe persecution like foretold would happen during the tribulation. 4. One period of 2300 days. I believe this is telling us the day the animal sacrifices begin in the newly built temple. So 7 months after the peace treaty is signed the temple will be complete enough to start animal sacrifice. 2300 days before the end of tribulation. Please look at the chart and read the verses before commenting. I am very interested in hearing from you folks at unsealed.org 
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 29, 2018 1:55:19 GMT -6
Great chart. Great teaching. I agree. I did a video on the 2300 days that supports what you said and what the Bible teaches. If you got time check it out here:
To answer your questions:
1. The enemy is hard at work trying to throw believers off. The same old devil has the same old tricks. It's all deception. The enemy masquerades as an Angel of light. He's been doing it since the Garden. Now the end is here and he's still at it. He wants to throw as much bad teaching out there to drown out the truth. But the truth will always stand no matter what because the gates of hell can not prevail against it! Hallelujah!
2. Bad teaching my friend. People try to fit round objects in square holes because it has to be that way no matter what in their mind. But God said that the book of Daniel would be unsealed at the time of the end, hence why all the revelation of the prophetic scriptures are being poured out nonstop for the children of light!
The foundation of the LORD is sure and steadfast my friend. Keep on proclaiming the good news! You speak truth my friend! Hallelujah!
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2018 5:36:56 GMT -6
This all makes sense to me. Good job!
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Post by mike on Mar 29, 2018 6:51:02 GMT -6
danielsdays , welcome to the unsealed forum, nice to have you. While I think what you lay is thought provoking and mostly accurate, I cant say I fully agree with you. I believe that you may be trying to "squeeze" something into a timeline that doesnt fit/already been fulfilled. While some would state that prophesy has a near fulfillment and far fulfillment, the 2300 days (and the rest of Daniel 8) has already been fulfilled. Is it possible the 2300 days comes into play again? God can do anything as He see fit but for us to assume this applies to today may not be accurate. Again He could have a 2300 day cycle in the end times, but the prophesy was fulfilled. Assuming prophesy does have both a near and far application is also not something to take lightly else prophecies about our savior would also need to be fulfilled a second time. Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
If you havent read this commentary on Daniel 8 from Bible Hub, I suggest it as it places historical events into the scriptures accurately detailing the events that have transpired.
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2018 7:22:31 GMT -6
Thanks Mike. Yes, I agree on the 2300 days part being fulfilled. But the rest of it could very well be spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 7:50:56 GMT -6
Question 1. Why are so many people on YouTube saying that "the Bible doesn't say the Tribulation is 7 years"? It's obvious it is. Look at the vision of 70 weeks, 69 have passed but 1 week has not. look at the 7-year peace treaty. Look at Daniels prophecy about the 2 periods of 1260 which equal 7 years. Interesting observation and welcome here to that great forum. I have a counterquestion regarding the 7 yrs. Daniel speaks clearly of a 70th week (or better sevens, if we look close to the text) and two 1260 day periods. Agreed! But I have nowhere found in the NT, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Revelation a clear reference to full 7yrs. The NT scriptures always and everywhere speak only of 3.5 yrs or 1260 days. If you or anyone else can clearly point out, where in the NT we see 2 times 3.5 yrs, that would be very helpful (at least for me). |
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Post by mike on Mar 29, 2018 9:15:55 GMT -6
@stephan could it be that we attribute Daniels two (2) 1260/1290 and the Rev 1260 as concurrent? In other words the 1260 in Dan & Rev one in the same?
I have read commentary on this and to some degree recall that we shouldn't do that as a portion of Daniel was fulfilled already. I'll look for it.
Edit - I think/believe the Daniel 1260 equated to Messiah bring cut off 3.5 yrs, meaning 3.5 is left from Daniel (perhaps more accurately 1290) which should be concurrent with Rev 1260
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 10:52:15 GMT -6
mike , this is exactly my position on the 70th week. First half fulfilled with Jesus' ministry, second half still (possibly very soon) future... But this is my private opinion and not anything to be dogmatic. The best thing I think we can do, is to stay open minded, test everything and not to stick bullish to some man made model. Otherwise we may be taken by surprise if the things do not unfold as expected. My guess is that this is the reason for Jesus' admonition to be watchful.
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2018 11:04:07 GMT -6
Should it matter to us @stephan? If we are correct about a pre-trib rapture, then whether it's 3 1/2 years or 7 years, we won't be here for any of it. Not a single second. Right?
I also see lots of speculation about the anti-Christ in Christian forums. But again, we aren't waiting for the anti-Christ, we are watching for Jesus.
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Post by kjs on Mar 29, 2018 11:30:44 GMT -6
Welcome to the unsealed website!
My only quibble with your chart is that you have Christians -- smack dab in the middle of the tribulation ...
Since we know with 100% certainty that the 70 week prophecy is for Daniel's people (Jewish) cause we are told that as part of the prophecy ... so all 70 weeks is for the Jewish people only including the final week.....
So fail to understand why you felt the need to include Christians within that final week.......
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Mar 29, 2018 12:16:19 GMT -6
Question 1. Why are so many people on YouTube saying that "the Bible doesn't say the Tribulation is 7 years"? It's obvious it is. Look at the vision of 70 weeks, 69 have passed but 1 week has not. look at the 7-year peace treaty. Look at Daniels prophecy about the 2 periods of 1260 which equal 7 years. Interesting observation and welcome here to that great forum. I have a counterquestion regarding the 7 yrs. Daniel speaks clearly of a 70th week (or better sevens, if we look close to the text) and two 1260 day periods. Agreed! But I have nowhere found in the NT, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Revelation a clear reference to full 7yrs. The NT scriptures always and everywhere speak only of 3.5 yrs or 1260 days. If you or anyone else can clearly point out, where in the NT we see 2 times 3.5 yrs, that would be very helpful (at least for me). Also, what peace treaty? Where is that? Don’t tell me it’s a covenant, cause that could mean many many things, or something completely different than a peace treaty. And why are we looking purely in the physical sense? What about spiritual covenants? |
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Post by Gary on Mar 29, 2018 13:26:44 GMT -6
danielsdays, welcome to the forum (you just happen to be the 500th member!) and very interesting thoughts and perspective. I think you've done a good job in offering a good, simplified theory of the day counts.
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2018 13:41:03 GMT -6
If we take out the 2300 as fulfilled, I too think the simple counts backward from the end of the 7 years make sense. But, as kjs points out, the chart is a little confusing. Not sure I am interpreting it correctly though. |
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Post by blur on Mar 29, 2018 15:11:02 GMT -6
I have two questions and then my observation.Question 1. Why are so many people on YouTube saying that "the Bible doesn't say the Tribulation is 7 years"? It's obvious it is. Look at the vision of 70 weeks, 69 have passed but 1 week has not. look at the 7-year peace treaty. Look at Daniels prophecy about the 2 periods of 1260 which equal 7 years. Question 2. Why does everyone add on days to the tribulation time which Daniel clearly said was 2520 days? The answer isn't to add days on, rather to keep all of Daniels days within the 7 years. So subtract the days from the end and they become not only clear but they also reveal a great mystery; the exact days of important events. to address question 2 first: if you insist that Daniel 9 is referring to 7 years, how does 'breaking the covenant in the middle of the '7' (shabua) get fulfilled if the abomination of desolation occurs at 'day 1230' which is not the exact middle? This is generally why people (incorrectly) add on days outside of 7 years. (I agree that 7 years is an important piece of the puzzle) (but I don't agree that the abomination occurs at day 1260) as to question 1: the tribulation has a component of 7 years, yes, but it is more complicated than that. the solution to Daniel 9 is somewhat straightforward: People should read the whole chapter & not pick out certain verses out of context like Dan 9:27 and assume that this verse means 7 years. This is just my opinion, but I'm fairly sure that this is how it all gets put together, with Dan 9:27 actually referring to a particular week/ 7 days that occurs after 7 weeks, 62 weeks, 62 weeks, 8 weeks, then the covenant is made and broken 3.5 days later. at the 70th anniversary of Israel (5 Iyyar, 5778, which is our April 20, 2018) (May 14, 2018 is 70 solar years which isn't the same as the 70th Hebrew calendar date) add 7 weeks (until the arrival of a prince/ ruler) (seems to be when Prince William will visit, which as of yet, this date is unspecified) (June 8, 2018) add 62 weeks add another 62 weeks (there is no 'the' in the original Hebrew that specifies this 62 is the same as the prior 62 - in fact, it is 2 instances of 62 weeks) (this is when the 'anointed one' is 'cut off', which could very well indicate when the 'antichrist' receives his mortal head wound) (Oct 23, 2020) add an implied 8 weeks to round out the 70 weeks when the covenant is actually confirmed, at the end of this 70th week. (Dec 18, 2020) after that, add 1 more week. This is the literal 'week'/ 7 days that the covenant is broken in the middle of, not the middle of 7 years. All in all, we have gone 69 weeks, then 70 weeks, then get to the covenant which is broken in the middle of this particular week. Dec 21, 2020 starts the great tribulation in 'Judea' with the abomination of desolation. for the rest of how the framework of 1260, 1290, 1335 days is put together, that info is here: unsealed.boards.net/thread/1391/sign-son-man-heaven |
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Post by witness1 on Mar 29, 2018 15:31:48 GMT -6
Should it matter to us @stephan ? If we are correct about a pre-trib rapture, then whether it's 3 1/2 years or 7 years, we won't be here for any of it. Not a single second. Right? I also see lots of speculation about the anti-Christ in Christian forums. But again, we aren't waiting for the anti-Christ, we are watching for Jesus. We will not be here for the great tribulation. Very true. But IF the first half of Daniel's 70th week has already been fulfilled, as I believe it has been, then that means that the abomination of desolation may occur very soon and that it is quite different from what we think it will be. It also means that someone could declare himself to be God very soon and perhaps have signs and wonders to back up this claim. In Ezekiel, the men of God were sealed for protection during the judgment of the wicked AFTER the abominations came to light. There's a chance some abominations may come to light and/or that someone will declare himself to be God in the very near future. I have no idea what implications this would have on us, but I think a good watchman watches in all directions. |
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