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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 29, 2018 15:52:58 GMT -6
The vision of Daniel 8 is specifically said to refer to the time of the end.
“Understand, Son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.” Daniel 8:17
Daniel 12:9 tells us that words of the prophecy of Daniel are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.
”And he said, ‘Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.” Daniel 12:9
So there has to be a far fulfillment of Daniel 8. It starts with Alexander the Great defeating the Persian empire (Goat and the ram vision). And it extends all the way until “the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their fullness” Daniel 8:23
The Grecian empire is still here! The final manifestation of Western civilization is wrapped up in Babylon the Great! The 4 kingdoms that Daniel mentions in Daniel 7 are the
1. Lion with eagles wings
2. The bear with 3 ribs in his mouth
3, the leopard with 4 heads and 4 wings
4. The 4th beast that is dreadful and terrible with 10 horns.
Daniel says in Daniel 8 that the vision is in regards to the time of the end. Thus the 3rd beast kingdom is still in control! The 3rd beast kingdom, the leopard with 4 heads and 4 wings, has never left since it defeated the Persian empire almost 2400 years ago.
It’s not until, as Daniel puts in Daniel 8:23, that in the latter time of the leopard kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their fullness, that a king shall arise who has fierce features and understands sinister schemes!
The king that arises is none other than the Antichrist who is in control of the 4th beast kingdom with 10 horns! The 4th beast kingdom with 10 horns doesn’t take over the whole world until Babylon the Great is destroyed by the 10 horns in Revelation 17 & 18.
When the king that Daniel talks about in Daniel 8:23 arises,
the 10 horns of his kingdom have 10 crowns on their horns as seen in revelation 13:1. Which means that the transgressors have come to the full and Babylon the Great has been destroyed!
The hour of trial that comes on all the world comes at the time when Babylon the Great is destroyed and the 10 kings take over with the Antichrist as the leader!
”The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for ONE HOUR as kings with the beast.”
The One hour of trial is the 7 year tribulation that the church of Philadelphia is promised to be spared from!
”Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the HOUR of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”Revelation 3:10
This HOUR of judgment begins when the temple in heaven is opened! Revelation 14:6-13 tells us this! The first angel who comes out is Michael the archangel!
1.Michael the archangel is the angel in Revelation 14:6-7 who announces that the HOUR of judgment has come!
2. Michael the archangel is the angel of Revelation 10 who announces that “there is no more delay.”
3. Michael the archangel is the angel of Revelation 14:15 who tells Yeshua to reap the harvest!
When Yeshua descends from heaven with a shout the voice of the archangel accompanies Him! That is none other than Michael! John is recording the same event from different perspectives in the book of Revelation!
The time of trouble begins when the temple in heaven opens because Yeshua comes for His bride and Michael stands up to kick the devil and his angels out of the heavens forever!
Daniel 8 speaks of all this and gives the 2300 day count from the time the rebuilt temple begins its daily operations.
Ezekiel 39 tells us that it will take 7 months to cleanse the land of Israel after the cloudy day judgment on Babylon the Great, Gog and Magog, and the entire world. During the clean up of those 7 months the temple will be rebuilt in Israel. Also 3 of the 10 Kings will be put down by the Antichrist as well like Zechariah 11 tells us.
Amen
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 29, 2018 18:03:30 GMT -6
danielsdays truly, believeable timing on your part to bring this topic to light....so much interwoven into your questions AND your assumptions... Are you sure? Please, my tone is of total compassion...HUMBLE crying...Have you checked this our yourself with God? Have you submitted with prayerful heart, and excluded ALL the works of other mens' interpretations and listened to God on the matter? Where is a "peace treaty" in Daniel? just asking in total sincerity...and from one watcher to another, here are some questions I have had to answer for myself: Why in the first place was there a prayer by Daniel in Ch 9? Gabriel answered it. And what is the over all point of Gabriel to explain to Daniel the missed opportunity of those in charge to do this:
24“Seventy ‘sevens’c are decreed for your people and your holy city to 1)finish transgression, 2)to put an end to sin, 3)to atone for wickedness, 4)to bring in everlasting righteousness, 5)to seal up vision and prophecy and to 6)anoint the Most Holy Place.We have been having this debate at the Timeline Overview thread, but I sisterly ask you to look at what was decreed... Those alive that are the corporate chosen people (sanhedrin for one) chose not to accept this from God...hence the 2nd temple was destroyed...WHO (not what) is the Most Holy Place??? After reading much of Paul, and the gospels, this it NOT a physical place.. I am aware of many who at least hold that there is still 3 1/2 years of this prophecy...I submit to everyone: We all maybe partially correct and partially wrong. My question: are you rested enough in the Lord to be prepared to see the very things that we think are part of the first 3 1/2, or even so, God-forbid, the second 3 1/2 years that published books & internet have told us? I am not flippant in these comments. I have been right along side if not following blindly many who are watching. But there is so, so, so much more. I am pleading to you: Jesus WHILE IN THE FLESH, spoke in parables... What did he talk about ? He talked about the Kingdom of God... He did not talk about the tribulation as His focal point. yes He addressed it..., yet remember, He came FOR ALL...and How do we get into His Kingdom? by resting, trusting, understanding (repenting from our own) and turning to His Law His ways, Hearing Him, not hearing man's version of the OT or the NT, or physical temple construction...there is a very key beginning of this whole problem and that is Adam and Eve (a literal picture of us who walked with God and STILL chose otherwise to be "like" Him, they did not have faith that they were created in His Image...that was not enough for eve first and then adam)...this whole "Jesus thing" is about undoing what they did (forgive me Lord for being haughty here). Yes we have prophecy timeline, but what is the ultimate goal of the Tribulation? And, even in Revelation, there is not specific 7 year. I was told there was, I was told there is not. I checked it out. Yes, there is other scripture to "add" or aid in understanding of Revelation...and we all know that we ought to be very careful of 'adding' or 'subtracting' from Revelation... For the longest time I read Rev on its own. No commentary, no OT...it is amazing what has been "added" to it when you consider the position of the Daniel experts, and Olivet Discourse experts...just saying..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 6:23:27 GMT -6
Should it matter to us @stephan ? If we are correct about a pre-trib rapture, then whether it's 3 1/2 years or 7 years, we won't be here for any of it. Not a single second. Right? I also see lots of speculation about the anti-Christ in Christian forums. But again, we aren't waiting for the anti-Christ, we are watching for Jesus. We will not be here for the great tribulation. Very true. But IF the first half of Daniel's 70th week has already been fulfilled, as I believe it has been, then that means that the abomination of desolation may occur very soon and that it is quite different from what we think it will be. It also means that someone could declare himself to be God very soon and perhaps have signs and wonders to back up this claim. In Ezekiel, the men of God were sealed for protection during the judgment of the wicked AFTER the abominations came to light. There's a chance some abominations may come to light and/or that someone will declare himself to be God in the very near future. I have no idea what implications this would have on us, but I think a good watchman watches in all directions. , witness1 and others I fully agree we as believers are not waiting for the AC but for our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ. My hope is of course also the blessed hope, Paul wrote of. The blessed hope, the Rapture, our gathering to Him. My point is that virtually everything, we are talking about here regarding Daniels 70 weeks and the endtimes is our interpretation of the scripture especially concerning the timing. And maybe, we do not interprete some of the scriptures properly. I for one want to be open for correction and for different views and learn from them as I do here from all the discussions and all the wonderful people around here. That does in no way mean I would jump on every bandwagon. Hundreds and thousands of true believers and way sharper knifes than me tried to get a proper understanding of that prophecy. I would never dare saying, that Post-, Mid- or even A-Millenialists are not true believers. Though I as a Pre-Millenialist and Pre-Tribulationist have sometimes an admittedly complete different view. But sometimes the other camps got some points better. Most of you know the famous poem of John Godfrey Saxe: As barbiosheepgirl put it, we all maybe right on some points and wrong on some others. I see it as a possibility, that our endtime models and views are converging (I yet made this statement here several months ago). Imagine a big mountain where several people are walking up to the peak. Everyone starts at a different point and in the beginning they don't see each other. One begins his walk in the west, the other in the south, east, north and so on. The higher they climb the nearer the peak gets, the smaller becomes the distance between the hikers and they first start seeing each other and finally they can reach their hands. This is, what I see taking place today in the church with true believers who believe in Jesus as the Son of God, His sacrifice for our sins, His ressurection and His second coming. |
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Post by mike on Mar 30, 2018 11:06:46 GMT -6
LOVE THIS @stephan-O!
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Post by mike on Mar 30, 2018 11:44:50 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl - I have been pondering your assessment since I read it last night. My thought was "study revelation apart from other scriptures and see what we get". During my pondering, (which sometimes gets wandering  ) I thought about this passage using the context you are suggesting: Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not. 24 For there shall arise FALSE Christs, and FALSE prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.I tried to contemplate Jesus referring to Daniel 926 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.and Daniel 1211 And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.How difficult it is for me sometimes to put my thoughts into typed words...I am no bible scholar, nor claim to have any idea about how to properly discern the above contexts. I have ideas, I've been taught ideas, some will read this and say "its clear Mike, c'mon!" But in connection with what BSG is saying and what Stephan said about perspective I want to try to express something that has been in my mind for several weeks. UGH MIKE!
Does anyone think the disciples knew what Jesus meant when He stated Matt 24:15 (and the rest of the chapter for that matter)? I don't think they did. Some feel this applies now, others feel this applied to 70AD. Perhaps others had been shown this or pieces of it by divine revelation whereby they penned some of the epistles or even Revelation, but they didn't have it all figured out. My thinking is that our adversary knows the Word better than any of us do or can until we are with Him! With the enemy knowing the Word, wouldn't it behoove the Father to conceal certain things not only from us but from the adversary? I mean anyone with a strategy doesn't tell the opposition about the strategy. Sure he knows the end of the story but I don't think he's fully in tune with how we arrive there.
Our theories are no different than Satan's. Yup I just said that!...Think back 2000'ish years ago when our Lord became a man. If the enemy was able to decipher the prophetic scriptures and understand the timing/arrival of the savior the first time around would he have had a Herod murder more babies sooner? Maybe, but some will tell me "Yes Mike but GOD..." and I get it He is far superior and had/has a plan that will come to pass. We see the efforts the adversary took and he wasn't successful for lack of effort, just didn't have the full story. He may have even known a "virgin" was to bare the Son, perhaps not! Think Terminator! Wouldn't satan have taken to opportunity to eliminate the virgin mother had he had the full scope of the plan?
With that I fully enjoy trying to figure this out and studying with you all. You have blessed me and encouraged me to want to know Him more, more deeply, more intimately, more closely. However our speculating is just that, and until we are at the doorstep we just don't know the plan in full. Until that moment, share His love with as many as possible, not just verbally but in deed! What better weekend than Passover to introduce and/or reinforce what its all about!
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Post by sog on Mar 30, 2018 12:12:36 GMT -6
mike, I agree with your assessment of Satan’s knowledge. Knows the scriptures more than anyone, possibly ever, outside of the Father and Son of course, but doesn’t know the full meaning and plan of the Father. Hasn’t stopped him from trying from the very beginning to corrupt man and destroy the lineage of Christ Jesus. Almost did before Noah. Of course God was fully in control. I’ve read some of the theories of the Nephilim. Very interesting. Don’t want to hijack this thread, just wanted to give some background to Satan’s efforts that many are not aware of. Link here if interested: Biblical study of Nephilim. 6 parts. 7th not done yet. beginningandend.com/beginning-end-nephilim-series-back/
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 30, 2018 13:32:34 GMT -6
thanks mike @stephan and others too. Ya know how when an "tribber" or insistent date-setter posts on Unsealed in loud, demanding statements and how much that just causes one to turn away and quit reading?? I went back and I thought I may have come across as being so bold, even though I was insisting on that I was coming at this with humility and humbleness. Thank you for understanding exactly what I was trying to say. There is one advantage that we have though. And that is the Holy Spirit. Our helper and Who impresses upon our heart the Truths, convicts us when we disobey, and winnows away the chaff of lawlessness as we go about our Pentacostal Walk, seeking righteousness not unrighteousness. The enemy can not discern the intentions of our heart like how the Lord God can (ie. Luke 16:15) so to go back to the beginning of the thread with danielsdays observations and comments, I submit that each one of us is likely being led by the Holy Spirit and the Lord has each one of us where He wants us as far as understanding end times. Our challenge it to practice the things which draw us closer to Him: Love, Patience, Kindness.. these good fruits! Amen to the climbing the mountain analogy! |
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Post by mike on Mar 30, 2018 15:35:11 GMT -6
I didn't take your post that way BSG but that could be that I've had much interaction with you.
I do concur that we have the Holy Spirit which the enemy does not! Hallelujah
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Post by venge on Apr 5, 2018 9:28:14 GMT -6
To the original poster:
The question lies with translation regarding placement of 1290 days. It is quite obvious the time is either counted from the beginning of the first 1260 days running 30 days over into the second half of 1260 days or counting it backwards placing it 30 days prior from the mid point in the first half.
What people fail at is the word midst. It is proximity to the middle. When the AoD is setup, it’s in proximity to the middle of 7 years. Well, 30 days from the middle of 7 years is that definition of in the midst. I opt for 30 days after the mid for reasons I can write later as I am on an iPhone typing. 1335 days or 45 days later is the rapture. Now, some of you need to change your language on tribulation. The tribulation does not span 7 years if you want to be specific. You have the time of sorrow aka birth pangs lasting 1260 days. We can call it a form of tribulation. When the AoD is setup, Jesus says Great Tribulation. There is distinction. There is also distinction between Gods wrath and Satan’s wrath. Take a guess which comes first.
In response to grandpas the covenant with many is a peace because it is said “peace and safety the sudden destruction” and “your peace with death”. There will be an agreement for 7 years and broken in the midst of it.
Witness1, how has the first half of the time of sorrows passed? We we would see the beast empire, we would see wars, rumors of wars, etc...we would see the false prophet speaking for many countries, we would have Elijah in Jerusalem, we would be having a massive falling away, should I go on? We will be here during the birth pangs. The Bible does say that very plainly.
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You are on the right tract. It is not the Greek empire of old but you’re heading in the right way. Wish I could share my notes. Keep studying.
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Post by davewatchman on Apr 6, 2018 20:31:34 GMT -6
I see the 1260, 1290 and 1335 days a bit different than most. All three of these prophetic time periods are happening at the same time. They all fit inside of a slot made by the solar and lunar cycle. <----1260----> <-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512 <------1335------> 0.966292134831461 <-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845 But i can't put them in the orientation on the page like i think they should be here. The 1260 should be slid over to the right so that the 1260th day and the 1290th day are the same. They both occur at "the end of these wonders" on a day that the "sun is "darkened" and all the saints are in the air. I'll be caught in this trap until January 2019. Day one of the 1290 happened 30 days before the start of the 1260. 1335 - 1290 is 45 days until blessed is he that waits for and reaches it. Or i'll figure that one out when i get to it, be the good Lord willing.  To the original poster: The question lies with translation regarding placement of 1290 days. It is quite obvious the time is either counted from the beginning of the first 1260 days running 30 days over into the second half of 1260 days or counting it backwards placing it 30 days prior from the mid point in the first half. What people fail at is the word midst. It is proximity to the middle. When the AoD is setup, it’s in proximity to the middle of 7 years. Well, 30 days from the middle of 7 years is that definition of in the midst. I opt for 30 days after the mid for reasons I can write later as I am on an iPhone typing. 1335 days or 45 days later is the rapture. Now, some of you need to change your language on tribulation. The tribulation does not span 7 years if you want to be specific. You have the time of sorrow aka birth pangs lasting 1260 days. We can call it a form of tribulation. When the AoD is setup, Jesus says Great Tribulation. There is distinction. There is also distinction between Gods wrath and Satan’s wrath. Take a guess which comes first. Witness1, how has the first half of the time of sorrows passed? I know, i'm not Witness1, but i can usually think outside of the box like she does. I think the 70th week ended in 34AD. 70 weeks were decreed by God for the Jews. 70 weeks were "cut off" from the 2300 years. Otherwise, the Script would have read "69.5 weeks were decreed. I have the appointed time of the end being a bit more than two thirds of the way over with, We we would see the beast empire, I think we are here. We are in the kingdom of the rebels, right at a time when the rebels have become completely wicked. Just waiting for their stern faced king to come. They asked for him, and now they'll get him. I can hear the composite beast open his mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. we would see wars, rumors of wars, etc... Been there, done that. 1914 with WW1 and 1942 with WW2. See that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. we would see the false prophet speaking for many countries, I'm afraid this might be very close. I think that he is here, he is giving the composite beast his power and his throne and his great authority, but he will not be revealed until the 5th trumpet. Because of the signs that he is given power to do on behalf of the first beast. He comes after the signs. The signs are the cause. The signs are the catalyst that will cause his debut. He CAUSES the fire to fall from heaven in the presence of men while he is working behind the scenes giving his authority to the composite beast. we would have Elijah in Jerusalem, I think he is there, and to the ends of the earth. Or the thing that i think you are talking about is happening now. I think that the power was given to the two witnesses in the summer of 2015. The judgment of the living began when the "daily' in Heaven's Temple was taken away. With Johns help, the two witnesses began measuring the Temple at that time. Who will "measure up" to be in the inner court? That is the question now. "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria , and to the ends of the earth The two Olive Trees, and the two Lampstands. Two of one kind of thing and two of another kind of thing. Not everything might be like it seems. The Holy Spirit and the Bible? Two Witnesses that stand before the Lord of the Earth. Just waiting for their two of another kind? Two pairs of the 144,000. 72 end time disciples being sent out again? For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. And they will not finish going through the towns of the Israel of God before the Son of Man comes. "And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed. Can this be thought of like "the sharp sword with which to strike down the nations", that comes out of the white horse Riders mouth? According to a Holy Spirit inspired Bible, the wicked will surround God's people with the intention of harming them. They "marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them. "But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. Fire coming out of the mouths of the two witnesses. The Bible speaks of fire. Fire from the mouth of a Holy Spirit inspired Bible. There you have it from the horse's mouth. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed. It's a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. . we would be having a massive falling away, HELLO? Just as it was in the days of Lot?  So will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.  "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Should I go on? We will be here during the birth pangs. The Bible does say that very plainly. Agreed, but i'll bet we're all going to be surprised at how long we'll be in the air. I wonder how long those vials are going to take to be poured out. "And they have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague, as often as they desire. Blood and fire comes out from the mouth of the Bible: "The third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of water, and they became blood "The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were scorched by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God who had power over these plagues. They did not repent and give him glory. Follow the Lamb, Wherever He goes. Peaceful Sabbath. |
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Post by mike on Apr 7, 2018 10:22:42 GMT -6
All...I am not saying anyone is guilty of this, but what Dave quoted here rings so strongly for me
"For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. And they will not finish going through the towns of the Israel of God before the Son of Man comes."
We have differences in opinions on the signs we are seeing and that's all well and good. We learn from one another, right or wrong.
Continue to bare one another's burdens. Love like were instructed in 1John. Lord knows I struggle with that at times!
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Post by venge on Apr 7, 2018 14:24:53 GMT -6
I will agree that we are heading to the end times but I disagree we are in Daniel's 70th week. Certain things have not happened yet and must happen for that to be true. Remember we will not be taken like a thief in the night because we are of the light and not the night that it would take us by surprise. There is not a beast empire yet that has been formed. We would know of a coalition in the middle east if it existed. It is not there yet.
And being in the air...we will be changed when we rise into the air and changed in the twinkling of an eye and forever be with the Lord. It will be faster then fast and done. I don't see scripture give any response to a time period in the air. That does not mean we cant be in the air for some period of time but why would we be? He comes to remove us from the wrath; therefore once changed we are removed from the wrath and not in the air but gone with the Lord.
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Post by davewatchman on Apr 7, 2018 15:10:59 GMT -6
I will agree that we are heading to the end times but I disagree we are in Daniel's 70th week. Certain things have not happened yet and must happen for that to be true. Remember we will not be taken like a thief in the night because we are of the light and not the night that it would take us by surprise. There is not a beast empire yet that has been formed. We would know of a coalition in the middle east if it existed. It is not there yet. And being in the air...we will be changed when we rise into the air and changed in the twinkling of an eye and forever be with the Lord. It will be faster then fast and done. I don't see scripture give any response to a time period in the air. That does not mean we cant be in the air for some period of time but why would we be? He comes to remove us from the wrath; therefore once changed we are removed from the wrath and not in the air but gone with the Lord. Then let me tone down my talk of the composite beast. It makes me nervous talking about that thing anyway. I agree with you we are there in the air in the twinkling of an eye. This is so fast that we light up the sky, the stratosphere. The tribes of the earth are going to mourn when they see it. But if the main part of this event takes place when i think it will, the mystery of God is fulfilled in the days of the trumpet call sounded by the seventh angel. The time has come to reward the saints. But the vials are still due. Do we stay with the Lord in the air while seven vials are poured? Or will He take us to his Father's House with many rooms, then come back to pour the vials by Himself? I bet we are going to follow the Lamb wherever He goes. I think we'll be up there right behind Him when He turns to us and says: “Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!” He's coming like the thief to the lost down on Earth at this point, we are the blessed because we stayed awake. We will have the wedding garments on by then. I do not know how long the vials will take. More than seven, less than 45 days. But i bet we will be surprised. |
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Post by venge on Apr 7, 2018 16:43:44 GMT -6
I would think the 6th seal is the rapture. Not the 7th trumpet. A few reason I can notate. In regards to that trumpet, I too once thought that could be the rapture but Gods word said we are not for wrath. Therefore we must be moved before the 1st trumpet. Gods word is final and never wrong. If you remember the parable of the weed, it says the weeds must first be gathered together, then once they are gather the wheat and put it in my barn then burn the weeds. Once all enemies are under his footstool they would have been gathered for his judgement on earth to be burned and we are gathered. We cannot be gathered after his wrath. So that becomes an issue. Another issue: I think one possibility is the reward of the prophets and the saints is the invitation to the wedding feast which would be at the 7th trumpet before the vials. This would make sense coming after the rapture and then invite to the wedding feast for the final doom of the wicked on earth.
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Post by witness1 on Apr 9, 2018 14:25:43 GMT -6
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) I thought about this passage using the context you are suggesting: