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Post by jerryh on Feb 6, 2018 23:49:58 GMT -6
My whole narrative is completely different than probably most here. I see Jesus already back in the interpretation before the temple is even rebuilt. He's born naturally like in the sign of the virgin on earth bodily. That would make both the temple and Antichrist or the appearance of the person of the Antichrist as after the birth of Jesus. I know it's completely different.
Those prophecies then may be the actual deception or false prophecy that is driving Pence. I know it's hard to hear, but have you heard him gush over Trump? While we may not see it in such stark terms, that prophecy accurately depicts the relationship perfectly, even exercising authority as the VP of the Beast himself. That head with that wound represents the church that also supports him. Sorry to veer off track.
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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 11:24:20 GMT -6
I am interested in hearing alternative views because my narrative is also different from the traditional model, but at the same time I'm still not following you. Are you saying that the head with the wound is a metaphor or symbolic of the church believing a false prophecy? Are you saying that Trump is the beast and Pence is exercising his authority? I have a hard time believing Trump is the beast with all of the 7s associated with him.
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Post by jerryh on Feb 7, 2018 14:42:25 GMT -6
Interesting about these 7's. Seems odd you're fixated on that. But to break down my thinking, here's how I see it.
That head represents one of the Beast's seats of power or who drives him. The only one central to the prophecy is the one with the wounded headed that everyone wonders over. It is a description of the religion that is predicted to power that last period. 666= man X 3 or perfect man, Adam, Jesus who is resurrected of course. But the man is being worshipped as God, and true or not, that's a correct general description as well as our belief that every man must receive something or die. The Mark then is accepting Jesus or baptism in the church and it didn't matter if it was on the forehead or hand. Point was it was a mark.
What I find funny in your remark is saying you think he's ok because he's all 7's? I know you don't worship him as creator but adoration is the same thing.
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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 15:02:30 GMT -6
I am not saying that I adore him because of these 7s. I am merely suggesting that, if God is in the process of revealing His plan to us, and if God gave a number to Trump that is not the number of man... I am going to assume Trump's number is not 666. I am saying that God would not be tricking us by associating Trump with a 7 if Trump's number is actually 6. Not that I adore him.
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Post by fitz on Feb 7, 2018 15:03:13 GMT -6
Interesting about these 7's. Seems odd you're fixated on that. But to break down my thinking, here's how I see it. That head represents one of the Beast's seats of power or who drives him. The only one central to the prophecy is the one with the wounded headed that everyone wonders over. It is a description of the religion that is predicted to power that last period. 666= man X 3 or perfect man, Adam, Jesus who is resurrected of course. But the man is being worshipped as God, and true or not, that's a correct general description as well as our belief that every man must receive something or die. The Mark then is accepting Jesus or baptism in the church and it didn't matter if it was on the forehead or hand. Point was it was a mark. What I find funny in your remark is saying you think he's ok because he's all 7's? I know you don't worship him as creator but adoration is the same thing. Huh? |
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Post by jerryh on Feb 7, 2018 17:22:27 GMT -6
Doesn't matter anyway by my interpretation. The 666 is referring to Jesus not the Antichrist. The 666 only identifies who the wounded head is. Trump doesn't look wounded and I don't see it in the person of the Antichrist either. Remember this is written for the Jews and it's an end time road map for them. From their view, this has to be taken as a warning against whatever Trump pulls. It's their time.
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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 18:26:48 GMT -6
I'm sorry jerryh, but apparently your narrative is so different from mine that I can't make heads or tails of what you're saying. I have no idea where you get that 666 refers to Jesus, and frankly, that sounds a bit blasphemous. |
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Post by Natalie on Feb 7, 2018 18:30:26 GMT -6
I agree with witness1. jerryh- I want to ask for some clarification on one of your other posts -- What is your interpretation on how Jesus returns?
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Post by jerryh on Feb 7, 2018 18:46:48 GMT -6
Yes of course you'd see it that way. The 666 isn't negative, it's simply the number of perfect man, which is not blasphemy. It's your narrative that's twisted and confusing. What you or I believe doesn't matter. The vision seems to point right at the Evangelical church as being the religion that is supporting the Beast and if there was any doubt, there's Pence doing exactly what was predicted. What is surprising is that you don't get it when I've read the predictions people have rightly made and now Trump is doing just that but of course...
if it's any consolation, the little scroll he was commanded to eat.. He knows what will trouble your soul and will be bitter in the belly. But once you see and understand it will turn sweet in the mouth. Your narrative is very gloomy but mine isn't at all. In fact, you should be jumping up and down for joy but you're in a state of shock right now and I'm not even sure you can hear me. I do believe in a very loving Father and also love Jesus too so try to show some restraint before you crucify me for blasphemy. No, I don't even take you serious.
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Post by jerryh on Feb 7, 2018 19:05:10 GMT -6
Hi Natalie. I know it's different, but starting with the sign of the virgin with the planet in the perfect gestation period I take as a sign of normal human birth. Then following the narrative he is hidden literally and I'm guessing had to overcome things because then we see them looking for someone to loose the seals. At some point, Jesus becomes worthy to unlock that book and unleash the horsemen. At that point, we see the rider on the white horse with a crown. The narrative follows the warfare but when we see him again in the narrative, he's riding with this time many crowns. The white horse was conquering. I also believe many parables we're prophecies like the one with the landlord. So many of those return ones were sudden and too late because he was already there. Also, the overall narrative of Daniel was Awakening and I also believe the Great Harvest aligns with the conquering horseman. When Jesus said he'd go and prepare a place and then return and take us there, that's when he saves us and ushers us into that mansion.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Feb 9, 2018 8:05:38 GMT -6
Hi jerryh , welcome to Unsealed. I am not addressing the 666 topic, but this comment of yours that I made bold. While I agree to a point, it is not exclusive to the jew because this Revelation is about Jesus ushering in God's Kingdom on earth as it currently is in heaven, if you will. That means this is written for all, not a specific group. There are "seas" of peoples, peoples referenced as "dwelling on the earth", then there are "tribes and tongues and nations", etc...It is also for the saints and the bond-servants... This is for every human on earth and who have already died a physical death. The point I agree with is that the man of lawlessness or any one considered "anti-christ" are those who are rejecting Christ, those who will continue to reject Christ, and those that come to reject Christ...currently Jews are one of a religion or group of peoples rejecting Christ on an official level, with a history of having covenant with God unlike , say, a buhdist, so I do agree there seems to be something more pinpointed for them....but they are hardened against Jesus currently...John and Paul were insistent on this: 2John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1John2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
But there is much yet before fullness of the nations..Rom 11:25 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this secret -- that ye may not be wise in your own conceits -- that hardness in part to Israel hath happened till the fulness of the nations may come in; (YLT)Revelation talks about the nations, so the roadmap is for them as well...edit: I heard a pastor once say that when he was in Israel and talking with rabbis over there, they wont even look at the New Testament so how will they even know it is a roadmap for them? |
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Post by mike on Feb 9, 2018 9:42:39 GMT -6
Yes of course you'd see it that way. The 666 isn't negative, it's simply the number of perfect man, which is not blasphemy. It's your narrative that's twisted and confusing. What you or I believe doesn't matter. The vision seems to point right at the Evangelical church as being the religion that is supporting the Beast and if there was any doubt, there's Pence doing exactly what was predicted. What is surprising is that you don't get it when I've read the predictions people have rightly made and now Trump is doing just that but of course... if it's any consolation, the little scroll he was commanded to eat.. He knows what will trouble your soul and will be bitter in the belly. But once you see and understand it will turn sweet in the mouth. Your narrative is very gloomy but mine isn't at all. In fact, you should be jumping up and down for joy but you're in a state of shock right now and I'm not even sure you can hear me. I do believe in a very loving Father and also love Jesus too so try to show some restraint before you crucify me for blasphemy. No, I don't even take you serious. Hi Jerry, welcome...I just read Rev 13 and cannot see how 666 refers to anyone or anything other than the beast, who happens to say blasphemous things (verse 5). I am curious as to how you relate 666 to Jesus and perfection. Can you elaborate further? Also I don't see that witness1 "crucified" you and I've yet to see her accuse anyone not does she lack restraint. Sometimes things don't get written or read as intended on-line or in this setting. So let's please take a step back, take a deep breath, we are trying to learn together here and continue dialogue. Thanks |
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Post by mike on Feb 9, 2018 9:47:35 GMT -6
Jerryh I just saw your other post on the "Mark of the beast" section. It does make a little more sense the way you've stated it over there. I'd prefer taking the 666 piece of dialogue over to that thread and leave this for Trumpets, Bowls, vials. Thanks
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Post by caleb on Feb 9, 2018 10:36:51 GMT -6
Doesn't matter anyway by my interpretation. The 666 is referring to Jesus not the Antichrist. The 666 only identifies who the wounded head is. Trump doesn't look wounded and I don't see it in the person of the Antichrist either. Remember this is written for the Jews and it's an end time road map for them. From their view, this has to be taken as a warning against whatever Trump pulls. It's their time. Hi Jerryh,
What do you then make of Revelation 14:9-10 & Revelation 13:17-18?
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Post by jerryh on Feb 10, 2018 16:18:15 GMT -6
Sorry.. kinda lost track of this thread. That Mark.. I know everyone is fixated on a literal mark or chip but nothing in the book can be taken as literal. That was a false prophecy that got you least expecting a return now and not until that temple is built as well. So I think peeps got duped on that one too. The Mark could go either on the hand or forehead means different methods but same goal to worship this man as god. It is the whole culture of Christianity that essentially is the Mark. Christianity though well intended is an accusing religion that relies on extortion and though there are good churches, we must admit it's a mess. What will be destroyed in that lake is our hateful spiteful ways we treat each other. We use shunning as our punishment of choice and crucify the different. It was all in the plan. This is how the church is purified. They went full bore into this. Now you're going to have to stick around and clean up your little boo boo.
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