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Post by schooldad3 on Feb 25, 2018 22:25:51 GMT -6
i am not responding on the internet any more on this call or move on.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Feb 25, 2018 23:01:20 GMT -6
witness1 I am in agreement with your assessment. Where I am seeing an abomination is anything other than what it means to Walk in the Faith of Jesus Christ. An actual sacrifice done in even a half built temple or on any altar, or on the ground for that matter because 'one feels compelled to do sacrifices for God' is the abomination. Anyone thinking works is to gain favor to God are abominations. I am waiting for someone to tell me otherwise via the scriptures that animal sacrifices or grain offerings are not abominations to God since Christ was sacrificed.
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. 20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.
21I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth.
22Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
this in verse 23 tells me that if you denying Christ, that is equal to denying God. So when anyone is without Christ, you are without God, no matter your ancestry. I know this is only a temporary blindness for many because Revelation and the latter chapters of Isaiah demonstrate the good news that will come out of God's judgement and wrath over this matter. I need scripture that tells me that those blinded to the Blood Covenant of Jesus will be unblinded before these abominations in temple or makeshift temple happen. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD, Why did God allow that???
This is what we all should be doing:
1Peter 2:4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God,
5you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
and Peter continues to reference the key words in the OT prophecies that describe those of this NEW COVENANT (those in all caps) to the believers who are In Christ:
9But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 25, 2018 23:43:50 GMT -6
Third to agree on this assessment. I and it sounds like a few others have spent a good deal picking this verse apart and have come to similar conclusions not knowing we were coming to these conclusions. Here is the translation I found in the Jubilee translation of the Bible. Which by the way has some fascinating history behind it!
27"In one week (they are now seventy) he shall confirm the covenant by many: and at the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the many abominations, desolation shall come, even until complete destruction shall be poured out upon the abominable people."
I have over four pages of notes that I have done on this verse alone comparing various translations to one another and searching out the meanings of the words. This imo is not referring to a mid period abomination during the current tribulation theology. This verse is referring to the first and the second coming of Jesus Christ. It is all about Him. Those who cause an abomination will have utter destruction brought down on them by a decree/command as translated in other versions.
Barb is right, any sort of sacrifices that are started with or without a temple are going to be an abomination in the Lords eyes. I am no scholar but I am someone who have very much so been praying for truth and understanding. I know we all do about this stuff. I think though maybe sometimes things are made to be more complicated than they really are.
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 26, 2018 2:08:21 GMT -6
i am not responding on the internet any more on this call or move on. schooldad , I'm genuinely sorry about your injury to your hand.  You have the right to respond to anyone, or not to respond. In respect and humility, you did make a rather offensive charge about this site and the members being 'junkies' , that in my opinion was over the line.
It is an internet forum, and thus - you do have the right to move on, or continue to engage with people here. We also have the right to continue to present different theories, and share back and forth and give reasons as to why we think those ideas have merit, and or where we might see holes.
We try to do this in grace and love - for the most part. Sometimes, it just means we agree to disagree.
Blessings, my brother.
Disciple4life.
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 26, 2018 2:43:28 GMT -6
Shall I expect a call ? Let me point out one of the many problems with putting the battle of Gog and Magog in any immediate time frame. Look at 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. Once it is over the lord will not let them pollute his holy name ant more. Well if the battle of Gog and Magog is on the horizon and the Lord will not let his name be polluted after it is over, what about the abomination of desolation ? That is still in the future. The only way around that is to parse phrases and words and pull things out of thin air trying to make it fit. I can just hear it. In the abomination of desolation (which occurs 3.5 years after the antichrist confirms the covenant with many KJV) some may say: it is the sanctuary that is polluted not Gods name. Oh really ? The Jews are going to allow the antichrist to confirm (strengthen) Gods covenant with them and allow him into the holy of holies and not pollute Gods name by said actions ? Give me a break. It is interesting that you bring this up. Because I feel very strongly that the covenant of Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist but rather about Messiah. I think it has dual fulfillment in the Covenant of His Blood at the cross and then the marriage covenant of Ezekiel 16 (with Israel- this will be the second time the Lord passes over her, the first being her birth in 1948). Both of these strengthen/confirm the Abrahamic Covenant (Romans 15:8-9). I believe the Church age is at the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th week... the grand pause is between Christ’s resurrection and ours. Christ’s death made the sacrifice and offering cease in the middle of the week. And our living sacrifice on earth will also cease in the middle of the week with the rapture. Therefore I believe the abomination will happen very soon, and it will be something we don’t expect. I think it has to do with the church and false doctrines or possibly the antichrist revealing himself and performing miracles of some sort. I believe this is why we are told to have plenty of oil and pray we are able to stand (why else would those two warnings be included in scripture regarding the end times if we’re just going to disappear in our sleep one night?!?). Those who have the Holy Spirit will, I think, recognize the abomination and will groan at it and consequently be sealed with the tav mark like the young men in Ezekiel 9 when judgment comes. It doesn’t seem like this idea has really been confirmed by anyone here, and I know it’s not valid unless there are many witnesses. But like I said I feel pretty strongly about it. It will be interesting to see what comes in the next week or so. If I’m right, the abomination will happen soon and then perhaps your point about Gog and Magog needing to be after the abomination would be very valid but also everyone who sees it happening at the beginning is also validated. I'm trying to understand - get clarity. I realize that there are differing views - both with valid points re the Covenant --[ For example , To whom is "He" referring? is it the messiah, or the AC. ?? Was this partially fulfilled with Christ's death mid-week, and/or does this refer to the Abomination of desolation by the AC. ?? etc.]
While there are myriads of views with different shades and nuances, I think there is most widespread agreement on several key points. ***I'm not trying to "pigeon-hole" anyone, and I totally get that some people think the Tribulation is 3 1/2 years. - There is a defining mid point, and a defining start point.
- We have very clear day counts
- We have multiple clear markers - signs or events that happen in the first part of the tribulation.
- Whether the "Fuse event" happens just before, or just prior to the rapture, there will be something that starts the clock / starts the chain of dominoes - ***Very differing views on what the Trigger event is/ but almost universal agreement that there will be something that sets the tribulation in motion. **In other words, it doesn't just randomly start in the middle of the workday, in June or September, and the whole world is unaware that it started 7 months ago.
There has been no treaty between Israel and the surrounding nations - **I realize that many believe the covenant is not a peace treaty - but we haven't seen that. There has not been a major nuclear war or WW III, Damascus is not quite a heap of ruins, [but getting closer every day- literally] and it's not uninhabitable. No rapture - no harpazo event. No ginormous - earthquake, volcano, that affects Jerusalem, and multiple continents. Not like a Revelation scale of calamity. No ginormous - apocalyptic Tsunami or meteor crash into earth. No major - world-leader emerge - claiming to be the Messiah, or even one whom the Jewish leaders could agree might be the messiah, No massive- Biblical proportion - plague killing millions. No massive collapse of the government or economy or stock market. The so-called 'crash' of two weeks ago was a correction and almost all of the drop has been regained in two weeks time. No Electro Magnetic Pulse ***We haven't seen any decision by UN or any world-recognized entity to divide Israel, and **We haven't seen any official start by Israel or Knesset, or Sanhedrin to actually start construction of the 3rd temple No calls by the UN, or any world body for a one-world money system, or mandatory RFID, micro-chipping. ***No two witnesses who preach, breathe fire, perform miracles. We have an explicit day count for these guys, and social media would be exploding. Cat memes couldn't hope to compare with live feeds of "Ninja Prophets".
I see multiple signs and converging of signs, and prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes, and in keeping with this thread - I think the Embassy in Jerusalem is inseparable , and I consider the blood moons, and recent solar and total lunar eclipse, and Super, Blue Blood Moon, -- and the 70th Anniversary of Israel as a Nation on May 14th, - all as being signs that we are seeing labor pains. I'm not setting dates, but I feel very strongly we are seeing countless confirmations that we are at the very edge but I don't see a single sign anywhere that the tribulation has begun. Not from the list above, and nothing I can see from scripture even indicates that the tribulation has started.
Can you help me understand how or why you think the tribulation has started, or maybe I mis-heard what you mean.
When I see the "Godzilla brothers" I'm more than happy to publically proclaim that I've just moved my game piece to "Mid-tribulation".
Blessings, Disciple4life.
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 26, 2018 6:37:43 GMT -6
It is interesting that you bring this up. Because I feel very strongly that the covenant of Daniel 9:27 is not about the antichrist but rather about Messiah. I think it has dual fulfillment in the Covenant of His Blood at the cross and then the marriage covenant of Ezekiel 16 (with Israel- this will be the second time the Lord passes over her, the first being her birth in 1948). Both of these strengthen/confirm the Abrahamic Covenant (Romans 15:8-9). I believe the Church age is at the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th week... the grand pause is between Christ’s resurrection and ours. Christ’s death made the sacrifice and offering cease in the middle of the week. And our living sacrifice on earth will also cease in the middle of the week with the rapture. Therefore I believe the abomination will happen very soon, and it will be something we don’t expect. I think it has to do with the church and false doctrines or possibly the antichrist revealing himself and performing miracles of some sort. I believe this is why we are told to have plenty of oil and pray we are able to stand (why else would those two warnings be included in scripture regarding the end times if we’re just going to disappear in our sleep one night?!?). Those who have the Holy Spirit will, I think, recognize the abomination and will groan at it and consequently be sealed with the tav mark like the young men in Ezekiel 9 when judgment comes. It doesn’t seem like this idea has really been confirmed by anyone here, and I know it’s not valid unless there are many witnesses. But like I said I feel pretty strongly about it. It will be interesting to see what comes in the next week or so. If I’m right, the abomination will happen soon and then perhaps your point about Gog and Magog needing to be after the abomination would be very valid but also everyone who sees it happening at the beginning is also validated. I'm trying to understand - get clarity. I realize that there are differing views - both with valid points re the Covenant --[ For example , To whom is "He" referring? is it the messiah, or the AC. ?? Was this partially fulfilled with Christ's death mid-week, and/or does this refer to the Abomination of desolation by the AC. ?? etc.]
While there are myriads of views with different shades and nuances, I think there is most widespread agreement on several key points. ***I'm not trying to "pigeon-hole" anyone, and I totally get that some people think the Tribulation is 3 1/2 years. - There is a defining mid point, and a defining start point.
- We have very clear day counts
- We have multiple clear markers - signs or events that happen in the first part of the tribulation.
- Whether the "Fuse event" happens just before, or just prior to the rapture, there will be something that starts the clock / starts the chain of dominoes - ***Very differing views on what the Trigger event is/ but almost universal agreement that there will be something that sets the tribulation in motion. **In other words, it doesn't just randomly start in the middle of the workday, in June or September, and the whole world is unaware that it started 7 months ago.
There has been no treaty between Israel and the surrounding nations - **I realize that many believe the covenant is not a peace treaty - but we haven't seen that. There has not been a major nuclear war or WW III, Damascus is not quite a heap of ruins, [but getting closer every day- literally] and it's not uninhabitable. No rapture - no harpazo event. No ginormous - earthquake, volcano, that affects Jerusalem, and multiple continents. Not like a Revelation scale of calamity. No ginormous - apocalyptic Tsunami or meteor crash into earth. No major - world-leader emerge - claiming to be the Messiah, or even one whom the Jewish leaders could agree might be the messiah, No massive- Biblical proportion - plague killing millions. No massive collapse of the government or economy or stock market. The so-called 'crash' of two weeks ago was a correction and almost all of the drop has been regained in two weeks time. No Electro Magnetic Pulse ***We haven't seen any decision by UN or any world-recognized entity to divide Israel, and **We haven't seen any official start by Israel or Knesset, or Sanhedrin to actually start construction of the 3rd temple No calls by the UN, or any world body for a one-world money system, or mandatory RFID, micro-chipping. ***No two witnesses who preach, breathe fire, perform miracles. We have an explicit day count for these guys, and social media would be exploding. Cat memes couldn't hope to compare with live feeds of "Ninja Prophets".
I see multiple signs and converging of signs, and prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes, and in keeping with this thread - I think the Embassy in Jerusalem is inseparable , and I consider the blood moons, and recent solar and total lunar eclipse, and Super, Blue Blood Moon, -- and the 70th Anniversary of Israel as a Nation on May 14th, - all as being signs that we are seeing labor pains. I'm not setting dates, but I feel very strongly we are seeing countless confirmations that we are at the very edge but I don't see a single sign anywhere that the tribulation has begun. Not from the list above, and nothing I can see from scripture even indicates that the tribulation has started.
Can you help me understand how or why you think the tribulation has started, or maybe I mis-heard what you mean.
When I see the "Godzilla brothers" I'm more than happy to publically proclaim that I've just moved my game piece to "Mid-tribulation".
Blessings, Disciple4life.
My studies have been on the last key verses in Dan. 9 that everyone tends to think is a peace treaty with Israel and some other country/entity. The definitions are in parentheses besides key words. Pay particular attention to the word covenant and how it is defined. This covenant is only made with a sacrifice.... not a signed agreement. 25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree (command/order) to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two * weeks (notice the seven weeks is listed before the sixty two weeks for a total of 69); it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26 "Then after the sixty-two * weeks (keep in mind the seven weeks was listed BEFORE the 62 weeks that is being mentioned in this verse before in verse 25, so at this point of time there is 69 weeks completed) the Messiah will be cut off (this is defined as destroy or consume to confirm a covenant by cutting flesh into two pieces to cause death to complete the covenant. i.e. such as a sacrifice. Not a paper signed agreement.) and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its (the city & sanctuary or temple) end will come with a flood (with overflowing/overwhelming force, used figuratively) ; even to the end there will be war; desolations (judgmental destruction from God, this is specific for the way it is used here) are determined. 27 "And he (Jesus) will make a firm covenant with the many for one week (completing the 70 weeks because this week is listed after the 7 & 62 weeks), but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering (Jesus dying on the cross put a stop to this for all); and on the wing of abominations (this is defined and used in a way to describe something as blasphemous, filthy & disgusting. Especially in the sense of something idolatrous being the blasphemy, is the way it is used in this verse) will come one who makes desolate (an extreme destruction or ruining), even until a complete destruction (To complete or bring to an end by destruction. Utterly consume), one that is decreed (ordered/commanded. So this destruction that is completed is ordered) , is poured out on the one who makes desolate. (Poured out on the one who causes the destruction and causing them who started and completed the first destruction, to be destroyed)"That is my take/breakdown on the Daniel 9 verses that are used to describe a "peace treaty" being signed. I don't see that at all here imo. EDIT: I colored the definition sections so they are easier to read. |
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Post by disciple4life on Feb 26, 2018 7:32:46 GMT -6
I'm trying to understand - get clarity. I realize that there are differing views - both with valid points re the Covenant --[ For example , To whom is "He" referring? is it the messiah, or the AC. ?? Was this partially fulfilled with Christ's death mid-week, and/or does this refer to the Abomination of desolation by the AC. ?? etc.]
While there are myriads of views with different shades and nuances, I think there is most widespread agreement on several key points. ***I'm not trying to "pigeon-hole" anyone, and I totally get that some people think the Tribulation is 3 1/2 years. - There is a defining mid point, and a defining start point.
- We have very clear day counts
- We have multiple clear markers - signs or events that happen in the first part of the tribulation.
- Whether the "Fuse event" happens just before, or just prior to the rapture, there will be something that starts the clock / starts the chain of dominoes - ***Very differing views on what the Trigger event is/ but almost universal agreement that there will be something that sets the tribulation in motion. **In other words, it doesn't just randomly start in the middle of the workday, in June or September, and the whole world is unaware that it started 7 months ago.
There has been no treaty between Israel and the surrounding nations - **I realize that many believe the covenant is not a peace treaty - but we haven't seen that. There has not been a major nuclear war or WW III, Damascus is not quite a heap of ruins, [but getting closer every day- literally] and it's not uninhabitable. No rapture - no harpazo event. No ginormous - earthquake, volcano, that affects Jerusalem, and multiple continents. Not like a Revelation scale of calamity. No ginormous - apocalyptic Tsunami or meteor crash into earth. No major - world-leader emerge - claiming to be the Messiah, or even one whom the Jewish leaders could agree might be the messiah, No massive- Biblical proportion - plague killing millions. No massive collapse of the government or economy or stock market. The so-called 'crash' of two weeks ago was a correction and almost all of the drop has been regained in two weeks time. No Electro Magnetic Pulse ***We haven't seen any decision by UN or any world-recognized entity to divide Israel, and **We haven't seen any official start by Israel or Knesset, or Sanhedrin to actually start construction of the 3rd temple No calls by the UN, or any world body for a one-world money system, or mandatory RFID, micro-chipping. ***No two witnesses who preach, breathe fire, perform miracles. We have an explicit day count for these guys, and social media would be exploding. Cat memes couldn't hope to compare with live feeds of "Ninja Prophets".
I see multiple signs and converging of signs, and prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes, and in keeping with this thread - I think the Embassy in Jerusalem is inseparable , and I consider the blood moons, and recent solar and total lunar eclipse, and Super, Blue Blood Moon, -- and the 70th Anniversary of Israel as a Nation on May 14th, - all as being signs that we are seeing labor pains. I'm not setting dates, but I feel very strongly we are seeing countless confirmations that we are at the very edge but I don't see a single sign anywhere that the tribulation has begun. Not from the list above, and nothing I can see from scripture even indicates that the tribulation has started.
Can you help me understand how or why you think the tribulation has started, or maybe I mis-heard what you mean.
When I see the "Godzilla brothers" I'm more than happy to publically proclaim that I've just moved my game piece to "Mid-tribulation".
Blessings, Disciple4life.
My studies have been on the last key verses in Dan. 9 that everyone tends to think is a peace treaty with Israel and some other country/entity. The definitions are in parentheses besides key words. Pay particular attention to the word covenant and how it is defined. This covenant is only made with a sacrifice.... not a signed agreement. 25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree (command/order) to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two * weeks (notice the seven weeks is listed before the sixty two weeks for a total of 69); it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. 26 "Then after the sixty-two * weeks (keep in mind the seven weeks was listed BEFORE the 62 weeks that is being mentioned in this verse before in verse 25, so at this point of time there is 69 weeks completed) the Messiah will be cut off (this is defined as destroy or consume to confirm a covenant by cutting flesh into two pieces to cause death to complete the covenant. i.e. such as a sacrifice. Not a paper signed agreement.) and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its (the city & sanctuary or temple) end will come with a flood (with overflowing/overwhelming force, used figuratively) ; even to the end there will be war; desolations (judgmental destruction from God, this is specific for the way it is used here) are determined. 27 "And he (Jesus) will make a firm covenant with the many for one week (completing the 70 weeks because this week is listed after the 7 & 62 weeks), but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering (Jesus dying on the cross put a stop to this for all); and on the wing of abominations (this is defined and used in a way to describe something as blasphemous, filthy & disgusting. Especially in the sense of something idolatrous being the blasphemy, is the way it is used in this verse) will come one who makes desolate (an extreme destruction or ruining), even until a complete destruction (To complete or bring to an end by destruction. Utterly consume), one that is decreed (ordered/commanded. So this destruction that is completed is ordered) , is poured out on the one who makes desolate.(Poured out on the one who causes the destruction and causing them who started and completed the first destruction, to be destroyed)" That is my take/breakdown on the Daniel 9 verses that are used to describe a "peace treaty" being signed. I don't see that at all here imo. Thanks, cwood85,
That part I understand, and I can see your point seems very compelling. ;-)
The question is have is about your statement that the church is in the "mid-point" middle of the tribulation. ?? Do you not see the 70th Week as the Tribulation period. ??
Regardless of whether one holds a pre-tribulation rapture view, mid-trib view, or Post-tribulation rapture view, they all agree that there is a clear trigger - a clear start date - that sets the clock and a clear mid point.
Does that make sense. ? I'm asking about how/ why you think we are in the Mid-point of the tribulation with none of the signs having happened. When did it start ?? Please don't hear or feel that I'm being combative or that I'm saying you're wrong. I'm trying to listen and understand.
Blessings. ;-) Your Tennessee Otter Brother in Europe.
Disciple4life. ;-)
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Post by witness1 on Feb 26, 2018 7:42:50 GMT -6
Thank you so much disciple4life for your question and charity. I really want to explain my perspective thoroughly and clearly, and I will have time to do so soon. For now, please know that I am in complete agreement that we are not at the midpoint of the tribulation. I do not even agree with the 6th seal rapture perspective... I believe ALL seals are yet to be opened and that we will be in heaven to watch the Lamb who is Worthy unseal the scrolls. I very much believe in a pre-trib rapture, and I think it is extremely imminent... perhaps even within a few weeks. I look forward to explaining this soon. EDIT: I posted my reply in the Timelines Overview Thread and tagged you in it. I believe the suggestion to keep timeline events over there is a good one. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 8:25:17 GMT -6
Just a sidenote on the discussion here. The model/timeline of witness1 is described hereI would suggest, that discussing timelines should be done in the appropriate thread. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Feb 26, 2018 8:56:33 GMT -6
I am trying to understand why d4L thinks cw thinks we are in the mid trib by upholding a view that what is abominable is any sacrifice in the temple (or where a temple might be if it is not built yet).
What is the consensus of the beginning of the trib then? I have always wondered how people come to a 7 year total trib span. Can one study His Word without the commentaries? Yes, I see those day counts in Revelation, the 1260 where the woman is in the wilderness. If the woman is the jew in heart (uncircumcized in fatih) it is my understanding that God is going to judge this uncircumsized of the heart people...they are currently the foreigners in their own land based on Christ's work on the cross, what Paul and Peter and others were pleading in the Scriptures, and looking at Ezekiel,
we see how God views the uncircumsized...
Rom 2:28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart , by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Ezek 44:6“You shall say to the rebellious ones, to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Enough of all your abominations, O house of Israel, 7when you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to profane it, even My house, when you offered My food, the fat and the blood; for they made My covenant void—this in addition to all your abominations.
It seems to me that the beginning of any judgement by Jesus will be after the revealing of the Sons of God, His barley harvest of believers. From there I do not see where time is constrained to 7 years. There is a serious spiritual battle behind the scenes of the actual people who will be alive and on earth to experience God's wrath. It seems that there are two follow up harvests, one resembling wheat and one resembling grapes. Particularly the 3rd harvest for those to enter into the kingdom of God happens toward the end of the 1000 year Reign. I suppose it depends on how one see the Kingdom of God being ushered in... I am not convinced it in the snap of a 7 year set of fingers, and then we all live harmoniously with Jesus. I do see that there is a 3 1/2 year moment of rather severe judgement/wrath..because satan must give up his stronghold over man..
I have been here at Unsealed since July of 2017. I have relied upon others to interpret the scriptures I had not read. Then I went and read them and though could see the same interpretations. I kept gathering more scripture into memory and could recall key words that link events, the 7 year time frame falls apart for me. This is somewhat based on the Feasts, which to me represent the shadow events to usher in God's Kingdom ( the whole Feast patterns, yes refulfilled).
I am not here to convince anyone to look at things the same way as I do. Everyone is in God's hands when reading scripture. I love my brethren here as we all have that common desire to understand all these mysteries. We see the physical indications that Jesus is right at the door via the events unfolding in today's Israel.
Always the bottom line is to Walk in Faith or stated like Paul, be obedient to Faith. The Faith is Jesus and that He will come to reign soon, no longer being the Hope unseen. We are told who can enter this Kingdom. I cant say what this all looks like, but even today we all experience spiritual battles within and with people, we see the spiritual battles between nations...and boy have the birthpangs been intense!
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Feb 26, 2018 8:58:12 GMT -6
thanks @stephan, the embassey thing will be a big watch and does cause us to go on tangents as we explain our points of view on it...
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Post by witness1 on Feb 26, 2018 9:39:58 GMT -6
I very much understand why disciple4life believes the abomination must be at the midpoint of the tribulation and that me saying it will happen soon means I think we're at the midpoint. Because here is what is clear: the abomination IS at the midpoint of the 70th week! We attribute Revelation to the entire 70th week and believe the 70th week has not started yet. However I believe the 70th week started with Christ's baptism and that it has been on pause (cut!) in the middle of the week for 2000 years. I have explained this on the Timelines Thread for anyone interested. |
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Post by kjs on Feb 26, 2018 10:51:16 GMT -6
Wow, i'm sorry to hear about your hand schooldad. Thanks for the phone offer though. But i only have a Telus pay per talk flip phone right now, so i never talk too long on the phone. davewatchmanYou can make completely free calls worldwide using Voice Over Internet Protocol (VoIP). Most like Skype or Google voice -- already exist on peoples computers / smart phones ..... JUST some FYI........... |
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Post by mike on Feb 26, 2018 11:23:45 GMT -6
I am trying to understand why d4L thinks cw thinks we are in the mid trib by upholding a view that what is abominable is any sacrifice in the temple (or where a temple might be if it is not built yet). You probably saw this already BSG but I think witness1 does a great job outlining where the thought process comes from here in the Timeline thread... If the view of the trib is 7 yrs and others believe it is 3.5, we would likely be somewhere in the 7 yrs now perhaps 3 yrs, but thats not for this thread as youve said  |
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Post by cwood85 on Feb 26, 2018 11:30:06 GMT -6
I just saw the post about this being under another thread. Please feel free to move it |
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