Should Pentecost be counted at 7 sabbaths plus 50 days?

I did find the Hearing God Thread very useful when I was walking in confusion those 2-3 weeks! I would love to go back through it now with 2020 vision. I'm sure there is much to be gleaned. Especially if there is Pentecost stuff, which I am loving learning about even if it doesn't pan out the way we're suggesting.

As you said about possibly being needed to second witness someone, this is what I heard God whisper to me about Dennis. That the 2 in my dream was indeed about a witness... just not in the way I had previously thought. And it was a whisper... not the loud voice of the enemy I had previously heard. It was a slight nudge to listen and to learn and to seek. I'm still listening now, and I see that you are and many others are too. I trust that God will keep us from being "carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. (2 Peter 3:17), as mike said, if we walk this together.

I learned a lot from this statement in the intro to the Restoration Thread:

Being willing to peek cautiously over the wall is the only way to see what God may have for us. Thank you all for peeking with me 

I don't want to be a stick in the mud. But what if this is simply being over complicated?

We know God is not the author of confusion, but in my humble opinion, I think this a pretty complex way to look at the original command - we God know is exceedingly specific. In a simple reading of the command, it would appear God is saying count off 7 Sabbaths plus a day, then reiterating or clarifying that He means 50 days.

Something like: "You will count off 7 Sabbaths, plus one more day, so 50 days."

Yet in this intepretation God has us count off Sabbath and then mid stream switch to days? Why? Why not just count off 14 Sabbaths plus a "morrow?" Why add such an ambiguity to a feast He is instituting? It's like telling someone to walk 1 mile plus 5,280 feet, when you wanted them to walk two miles. Why?

I'm not a fan of saying something since something has been done this way forever we should always do it this way, but are we to believe the Jews dropped the ball on this one almost from the get go and it's been wrong for ages?

But if this is the correct interpretation, what is the point? What purpose does it serve? Almost 2000 years ago John wrote down the Great Sign and it was discovered 6 or 7 years in advance, yet the critical missing piece is this day count that remains hidden up until couple of weeks before? To what end? God speaks boldly with blood moons tetrads, the great eclipse, the great sign, Jupiter Venus conjunctions, unprecedented natural disasters, yet whispers with a supposed ambiguity in scripture that comes to light so close to the end? What would be the purpose in that?

After watching this thread, and another much longer thread, I have to ask - is discernment and wisdom being applied or are people being carried away because we so desperately want our savior to come?

I am not trying to out anyone down or disparage anyone, I just think these are reasonable questions to ask.

I don't know if it's a matter of helping - though I had no doubt where you stood on this as it relates to the sign. I think I'm just asking the obvious questions from a logic standpoint. It is being intimated that these things could be from God - I am in way saying God does not speak to us today, but we are commanded to test everything. That's why I felt compelled to post some of those questions.

I know tone can be difficult to ascertain in written form, so I hope I am not coming off rough, in all honesty I can't wait until I meet each of you to match screen names to glorified faces.

Well, I feel like we could look into the Exodus thing for a long time. Here's where we are now:

We think there was a minimum of 43 days between the Exodus and the arrival at Mt Sinai. SK showed us how it could well work out that the 50th day was the day Moses received the law and wrote it in his own hand. This day was the beginning of a process of receiving the law.

There were at least 48 days that I can count after that until God wrote the law in His hand and Moses found the golden calf. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to think there could be 50 days, but I cannot confirm this. I have a few thoughts but I think we would be in the weeds at that point.

What I have been thinking about today is Scottie's conception/birth idea. Can a nation be brought forth in a day? (Isaiah 66:8 paraphrased) Can we/should we apply that here? Is it a stretch to say that the first time Moses received the law was the conception of Israel and the day that the Levites were ordained for service was the birth of Israel? "Today you have been ordained for the service of the Lord... so that he might bestow a blessing upon you this day." (Ex 32:29)

Another thing I've been thinking about, and I don't have answers to what it means, is that different laws were given on the different trips up the mountain. The first time Moses went up and received the law (the first 50 days) and wrote it in his own hand, the subtitles in my Bible are:
The Ten Commandments
Laws About Altars (talks about exposing nakedness... )
Laws About Slaves
Laws About Restitution
Laws About Social Justice
Laws About the Sabbath and Festivals
Conquest of Canaan Promised

For the second half of this process, waiting 7 days and then being on the mountain 40 days and 40 nights, the Lord's instructions turn to those of the tabernacle and priestly service. The subtitles are:

Contributions for the Sanctuary
The Ark of the Covenant
The Table for Bread
The Golden Lampstand
The Tabernacle
The Bronze Altar
The Court of the Tabernacle
Oil for the Lamp
The Priests' Garments
Consecration of the Priests
The Altar of Incense
The Census Tax
The Bronze Basin
The Anointing Oil and Incense
Oholiab and Bezalel (2 individuals who were skilled craftsman to devise artistic designs)
The Sabbath

Exodus 31:18 "And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God."

So... the 2 trips were quite different, and I'm sure studies have been done on what it means. I think there's too much to cover to try to go into it now, but I'd love to hear your thoughts if you already know something about this or have ideas. Since the second half of the giving of the law is all the beautiful stuff pointing to Jesus, it certainly feels like the first half of this process would have been quite incomplete without it. I really think that, if we were to pick a day and call it "Pentecost," it would have been at the end of this process.

The 3 main parallels I see to the Acts Pentecost:
1) The law was in God's hand on the last day of this process, and Pentecost was about writing His law on our hearts. It is interesting that God spoke everything to Moses first and then gave him the tablets at the end, on the last day. (Possible parallel: In the end, His name is written on our foreheads- Rev 22:4) This wasn't a power point slide Moses referenced while the law was being given. The law was given, and then the tablets were given at the end as proof for the people. 
2) The 3000 slain/3000 saved. 
3) At the end of this process, a line was drawn in the sand. "'Who is on the Lord's side? Come to me.' And all the sons of Levi gathered around him." (Ex 32:26) It was quite clear who was on the Lord's side and who wasn't. This was the same at Pentecost: you either had the fire or you didn't. This will be the same at the rapture: either you are taken or you are left. "But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: 'The Lord knows those who are his,'" (2 Tim 2:19)

I'm done for the day and I didn't get a chance to look at SK's thread or go into anything else running through my mind. Hoping to get up early and tackle it again! I love you all.

Yes... please do test me! I am overly emotional, exhausted, heartbroken over my lost friends, and so much more. I do think my promptings are from God, although I am not confident about the rapture timing. Like SK, I have a keen interest in the feasts and love the depth and beauty I am seeing. I don't think I'm trying to push a theory as much as I'm trying to say, "hey I think there's something here." As far as this being hidden until the end... well it's been there all along. I've just been asleep and not reading Exodus while I brush my teeth and staying up all hours of the night thinking about it.   Something about being excited about Jesus calls us to plumb the depths of scripture. 

Just adding a bit as to the "what God tells us" concerns:

In my experience - God doesn't always "tell" me something directly. Sometimes He gives me urges, curiosities, driving desires to figure something out- like that. I mention a variety of ways that He speaks to me in another thread, but only one of them is with direct spiritual words.

So, from that stand point, I would say that God is telling me to become more familiar with particular part of the Israelite journey, the 8 trips up the mountain, the timing of those trips and what the results were, etc.

But from the stand point of, Did God whisper into my spirit the actual counting of weeks issue, well no.  As a matter of fact, I am not convinced that there is a reason to change that count at all for reasons I posted in the other thread - however, I do think there is more to the message that Christianity could benefit from and that there is at least another 40 days that need study - possibly 50.  And that that there were two wheat harvests in much of this area - winter and summer - and that the second harvest was typically ready about 50 days after the first.  So, makes you go, hmmmm.

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Ok - witness1 , please forgive my indulgence here - but I would like to do a bit of exhortation:


The "God is not a God of confusion" issue: I know there is a verse that says:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

But this is almost always used in a way not intended by Paul - unless we also want to start following the next verses:

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

I occasionally will bring up these types of situations to help illustrate that there is a difference between confusion - and hiding truth:

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Luk 8:9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

@timeoftheend, I want to be clear, that I am not saying this against what you are saying - I'm putting this into the thread so that we all can see that God is a God who conceals things - sometimes it is so we can search it out, and sometimes it is for other reasons.  

Now, in this case, I think timeoftheend is using the "God of Confusion" concept properly - that is, in relation to prophetic utterances as we see in the verses leading up to the popular verse:

1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And so, we have a situation where one may prophesy and another may confirm the word, or even add onto the word, but that prophets should be subject to other prophets and thereby keep the church from hearing many different directions of prophetic words.  Keep the church from confusion - same applies to speaking in tongues when there is no one to interpret your words.  Be silent.

It seems to me that this is what timeoftheend is asking - "Are we doing this here? Or are we not?"

In much of today's Christianity we have confused this whole process so much that we are, in fact, confused.  Some churches teach that everyone is hearing God all the time and we are constantly stopping to listen to what God is telling everyone.  Other churches teach that the gifts are dead and that no one can hear a word from God. So we are not used to following a scriptural pattern when giving words from the Lord.

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I tend to be very low key about this area, because of how it is often abused by people - but, I think this subject of counting the weeks has brought up two sides to this idea of confirming a word of the Lord.  And I think we, as a body, can learn from this.  In one thread, the confirmation is not there in my spirit.  In this thread, confirmation is there.  Both threads are saying similar things.  And according to my gifting, this is the thread that I am confirming thus far.  

I know that doesn't mean much to most since we are a dispersed body and you all don't know me.  Hopefully, my posts here at unsealed have helped each of you to judge these matters. It may provide comfort to some and it explains why I am engaged here.  I am waiting to see what the Lord tells us through witness1.  So far, this thread has played out exactly like this:

1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Makes me wonder if we should appoint another role, similar to a moderator, that, stands up or sits down, in relation to threads that are claiming, or hinting, to speak for God.

I truly hope this is received by all with the spirit I intended.  I see how it could be easily misinterpreted.  Now, I really must pipe down because I am wanting to listen to witness1!