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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 9:34:53 GMT -6
Clarification.. ATS.. IMO... NO the Battle of Armeggedon is not at His RETURN.... as you stated ATS IMO
His RETURN almost always refers to the 2nd COMING, the Battle is not then, He just comes and gets His people from all ages from all countires whether alive or dead... He comes in the air or if you like the CLOUDS.
He takes us to the MARRIAGE FEAST Because we are the Bride of Christ whether male or female. We party with HIM for 45 days, meanwhile back on Earth the vials of WRATH are poured on the wicked.
Then after 45 days we RETURN to Earth at Meggido and battle it out, slaying the wicked. He touches ground and we touch ground after HIM on our white horses.... the Battle lasts til the Day of Atonement to fulfill all timelines... Oct 2,2025 according to daniel timelines and time frames and confirmed by the Day Counter.
Terminology is crucial and important because it can be misunderstood if we have different names.. a simple timeline eliviates all the confusion. You dont need times but the scenario of events is again crucial
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 6, 2017 10:46:45 GMT -6
David, what does the G and the O mean? This is what your reply to Natalie looks like on my computer: G is for ****** A is for are, O is for ***
Mike took us in a direction of Jacob's Trouble, but I am going back to the topic of the thread: Post-Trib rapture, not Pre Trib rapture by addressing this point you mention from page 1 of this thread:
Mat 24:31 And He shall send his angels with a great sound of a Trumpet, (The 7th Trumpet of Revelation. SEE Rev. 10:
7) and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (whether they died in
Old Testament Times or the New Testament Period or during the Tribulation. Praise God !! For .... In a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump: for the (7th) Trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we
shall be changed. I Corinthinians 15:52)
The red is your input. Explain to me how you came to believe that the "Trumpet shall sound" in 1Cor 15:52 is the 7th trumpet of Revelation 10:7?
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 6, 2017 12:03:18 GMT -6
Who is saying that it started in September of this year? Barbio, I notice you also are a moderator, which seems different because all the other moderaters have been saying that the Great Tribulation has started.. have you not seen this before. Hmmmm .. Or are you saying, they might be wrong or none of them ever stated this. Hmmm... interesting.... David, I've been watching the Revelation 12 [Sept 23 alignment] thing all along - and I've agreed with many people, but have from time to time disagreed with moderators and even the site administrator - but I have not seen a single moderator mention or say or imply that the Tribulation started on Sept 23.
There was a lot of speculation that it could possibly be the rapture - it was 2 days after Feast of Trumpets, and as you recall - we had the Great American Eclipse 40 days before Day of Atonement so in fairness to lots of people with lots of different opinions - it was a very high watch time.
After the 23rd came and went, many people still believed that there was more to happen with the sign and were looking for the dragon and the rapture when Jupiter exited Virgo. There are some who have said that the rapture will likely start the chain of events that leads up to the 7 year tribulation, but there is also speculation that there could be some gap between the rapture and the start of the temple/ and or the Gog of Magog war.
Lots of people ask for clarification - it doesn't mean that they are challenging you - they do that to me all the time ;-) - it usually means I didn't articulate a point clearly and they just want to understand / hear what I mean. As a verbal processer, I usually realize after I write and then see it, that I didn't say what I meant on the first take. You've mentioned a timeline multiple times -- but I've not seen if you have posted one - there are hundreds of various timelines just related to the 7 year tribulation, each with different focus. Are you referring to a visual one - like a chart or graph with events in order that they appear. I noticed you also mentioned two things happening - one on day of Atonement and one of Feast of Booths ?? I know both were feast days. ;-) But I'm curious how you arrived at that - because scripture doesn't say. I lean strongly that all the feasts point to the Messiah, and Paul said that the Feasts are a shadow of things to come - but the fact is that the Bible doesn't say explicitly that the rapture will happen on a feast day, or Armageddon, or the Second Coming. Can you clarify that, my friend?? Blessings,
Disciple4life.
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Post by wateredseeds on Dec 7, 2017 1:19:22 GMT -6
davidjayjordan,
I like your logic a lot. Don't know if i completely agree, but wow i could get on board with that.
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 8:19:20 GMT -6
David, what does the G and the O mean? This is what your reply to Natalie looks like on my computer: G is for ****** A is for are, O is for ***
Mike took us in a direction of Jacob's Trouble, but I am going back to the topic of the thread: Post-Trib rapture, not Pre Trib rapture by addressing this point you mention from page 1 of this thread: Mat 24:31 And He shall send his angels with a great sound of a Trumpet, (The 7th Trumpet of Revelation. SEE Rev. 10: 7) and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (whether they died in
Old Testament Times or the New Testament Period or during the Tribulation. Praise God !! For .... In a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump: for the (7th) Trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we
shall be changed. I Corinthinians 15:52)
The red is your input. Explain to me how you came to believe that the "Trumpet shall sound" in 1Cor 15:52 is the 7th trumpet of Revelation 10:7? G is a mystery to be revealed but as in my new signature I reveal what O stands for... OFF G******* are off. Its refering to Natalies remarks to me that I shouldnt post IMO as I mentioned .Therefore I have had to write the term ATS According To direct exact multiple Scriptures as already posted |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 8:23:54 GMT -6
davidjayjordan, I like your logic a lot. Don't know if i completely agree, but wow i could get on board with that. Thanks wateredseeds, but I am on the way out willingly or unwillingly as I have new warnings against me for disagreeing with other posters.. and yet I thought in a debate or discussion we could differ with others. See my new signature... But if you are fighter for Jesus, and have the ba*** to battle against evil and tyranny and want to help the lost and feed the poor and rescue our brethren all over the woirld Good on ya, see you in the heavenlies as we are going to have the greatest party ever possible... Whaoooo... I'll drink to that. Pass the water of life or new wine.. Amen david and waterseeds gulph down another one... |
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Post by Natalie on Dec 7, 2017 8:30:38 GMT -6
David, what does the G and the O mean? This is what your reply to Natalie looks like on my computer: G is for ****** A is for are, O is for ***
Mike took us in a direction of Jacob's Trouble, but I am going back to the topic of the thread: Post-Trib rapture, not Pre Trib rapture by addressing this point you mention from page 1 of this thread: Mat 24:31 And He shall send his angels with a great sound of a Trumpet, (The 7th Trumpet of Revelation. SEE Rev. 10: 7) and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (whether they died in
Old Testament Times or the New Testament Period or during the Tribulation. Praise God !! For .... In a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump: for the (7th) Trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we
shall be changed. I Corinthinians 15:52)
The red is your input. Explain to me how you came to believe that the "Trumpet shall sound" in 1Cor 15:52 is the 7th trumpet of Revelation 10:7? G is a mystery to be revealed but as in my new signature I reveal what O stands for... OFF G******* are off. Its refering to Natalies remarks to me that I shouldnt post IMO as I mentioned .Therefore I have had to write the term ATS According To direct exact multiple Scriptures as already posted You clearly misunderstood me. You ignored my post on clarification. You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I will not fight with you, that is not how we operate around here. |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 8:50:05 GMT -6
Mike took us in a direction of Jacob's Trouble, but I am going back to the topic of the thread: Post-Trib rapture, not Pre Trib rapture by addressing this point you mention from page 1 of this thread: Mat 24:31 And He shall send his angels with a great sound of a Trumpet, (The 7th Trumpet of Revelation. SEE Rev. 10: 7) and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (whether they died in
Old Testament Times or the New Testament Period or during the Tribulation. Praise God !! For .... In a moment, in the
twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump: for the (7th) Trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we
shall be changed. I Corinthinians 15:52)
The red is your input. Explain to me how you came to believe that the "Trumpet shall sound" in 1Cor 15:52 is the 7th trumpet of Revelation 10:7? A trump is a trumpet.... a trump is a trump or you can say Shofar... the Golden Section Phi Horn of David that sounds and Gods judgments emanate out... or as Jordan means descending judgments. But really Barbio, you are suppose to try and answer the questions yourself FIRST, rather than having a one sided discussion or i************n. debates, I mean postings not debates as apparenty we are not suppose to invalidate the opposing opinion or compare opinions or scriptures... of others.. But back to your quesion, as I always try to answer those that ask me, questions because thats th way to learn if you know the subject matter, even if those that ask, do not answer themselves their own questions. Both verses talk about the same thing, the same action... the resurrection of us at the 7th Trumpet SEE the 7 trumpets when we flee to the wilderness as our 2 Christian prophets call them down.. www.davidjayjordan.com/Revelation.htmlDo you have any graphics or timelines ? to differ with mine ? Rev 10 7 states clearly. 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. The chapter is talking about the seven angels with the seven trumpets.... again restudy the Rev timeline and all Revelation, The seven trumpets of Revelation The seventh one is our Rapture Trumpet when we meet the Lord in the air. Rev 11 is about our Two Prophets witnesses in the Great tribulation BEFORE the Rapture, as the seventh trump is the Rapture. I corinthians says the exact same thing... note the LAST or seventh trump. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. I cant invalidate your theory as I dont know your exact theory but as per usual it must be pre tribulation before any trouble. So therefore conseuently I can not presently be invalidating your theory. Yikes its getting complicated.... to differ with out being accused of invalidation of others...opinions. Anyway Barbio, I dont see anyway that a person. Yikes... anyway Barbio...the passages match.. if the shoe fits, it must be a shoe and a fit... all the requirements are there and AGAIN the last TRUMPT is the TIMING of our Rapture to the Lord. Again, from a different angle the rapture via scriptures again states that the Rapture is at the end of the Tribulation period. According to direct and multiple scriptures. What is your opinion that doesnt invalidate mine. Yikes I tried to follow the rules so as to not get in trouble and it just doesnt seem to work for me in a debate or discussion. Oh heck and darn, whats your opinion and why. Dont be afraid, you wont offend me, no matter what you say objectively ! You can differ with me, and I hope you do and present your interpretation of these direct exact pecise scriptures and all scriptures and all prophecy. Got to fly and will be soon.. TYJ for the 3rd world, they are so receptive to the Lord and His WORDS. Amen ? |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 8:54:13 GMT -6
G is a mystery to be revealed but as in my new signature I reveal what O stands for... OFF G******* are off. Its refering to Natalies remarks to me that I shouldnt post IMO as I mentioned .Therefore I have had to write the term ATS According To direct exact multiple Scriptures as already posted You clearly misunderstood me. You ignored my post on clarification. You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I will not fight with you, that is not how we operate around here. Easy Natalie, easy.... I answered the question I was asked and answered why I have been writing GAO. and now write ATS... or maybe shall start writing ATAS.. According to all scriptures. Excuse me , as I answer someone elses questions ATS as I dont have time to anser ATAS and according to my i***********n and t***********s |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 8:58:15 GMT -6
Barbio, I notice you also are a moderator, which seems different because all the other moderaters have been saying that the Great Tribulation has started.. have you not seen this before. Hmmmm .. Or are you saying, they might be wrong or none of them ever stated this. Hmmm... interesting.... David, I've been watching the Revelation 12 [Sept 23 alignment] thing all along - and I've agreed with many people, but have from time to time disagreed with moderators and even the site administrator - but I have not seen a single moderator mention or say or imply that the Tribulation started on Sept 23.
There was a lot of speculation that it could possibly be the rapture - it was 2 days after Feast of Trumpets, and as you recall - we had the Great American Eclipse 40 days before Day of Atonement so in fairness to lots of people with lots of different opinions - it was a very high watch time.
After the 23rd came and went, many people still believed that there was more to happen with the sign and were looking for the dragon and the rapture when Jupiter exited Virgo. There are some who have said that the rapture will likely start the chain of events that leads up to the 7 year tribulation, but there is also speculation that there could be some gap between the rapture and the start of the temple/ and or the Gog of Magog war.
Lots of people ask for clarification - it doesn't mean that they are challenging you - they do that to me all the time ;-) - it usually means I didn't articulate a point clearly and they just want to understand / hear what I mean. As a verbal processer, I usually realize after I write and then see it, that I didn't say what I meant on the first take. You've mentioned a timeline multiple times -- but I've not seen if you have posted one - there are hundreds of various timelines just related to the 7 year tribulation, each with different focus. Are you referring to a visual one - like a chart or graph with events in order that they appear. I noticed you also mentioned two things happening - one on day of Atonement and one of Feast of Booths ?? I know both were feast days. ;-) But I'm curious how you arrived at that - because scripture doesn't say. I lean strongly that all the feasts point to the Messiah, and Paul said that the Feasts are a shadow of things to come - but the fact is that the Bible doesn't say explicitly that the rapture will happen on a feast day, or Armageddon, or the Second Coming. Can you clarify that, my friend?? Blessings,
Disciple4life.
One way clarifications are not real discussions IM*, SEE Prove it, Prove it prove it ...when others dont clarify their positions. Prove it, Prove it, Prove it...!!! Prove it Yourselves !!! To the people who keep saying, Prove it, prove it or we ain't going to believe it.. Forget it. Prove it to yourselves and find out for yourselves and do the homework and study yourselves. Nobody else can do prove things to you but YOU !!. Besides most people that say prove it, prove it, over and over again .... disregard the proofs they have already been given and are closed minded and don't want proofs and truths because their minds are already made up. It's usually just their way of trying to confuse the issue like the jewish trick of saying why, why, why ....until finnally only God knows why. (And they don't have the nerve or guts to ask Him why) . And therefore thesebablers think they can win an argument by saying Why, why, why, or prove it, prove it, prove it when sufficient proofs already are there. It's as shallow and as delorable a tactic as ever imagined. For nobody can prove it except the individual themselves. It is their responsibility, and not the posters or the debaters. because real life is not a word twisting contest but a reality we have to get right. Who wins an argument is NOT who wins in life. Get it together whimps and answer your own questions which is why Jesus kept reversing their stupid accusing questions back at them. As He only answered questions of the scribes and pharisee's when it was a benefit of the true seekers who were listening nearby and recording his words in their memories. Jesus wanted and wants sincere questions because He wants to teach us. As we are suppose to ask questions in order to seek and find as Jesus said so many times. For he expects us to use the God-given brains He gave us in finding out the Mystery of Life. But that in no way excuses those that ask questions without wanting answers. I mean, even Abraham, the Father of Faith, told a dead soul in hell that wanted to go back and tell his relatives what the other side was really like so they would have proof of the After-life and understand it via this miracle of his returning ...NO, No WAY. Absolutely Not, They have Moses and the prophets let them hear them, for if they believe not them neither shall they believe though one came back from the dead. (Luke 16) For people in this lifetime who asked Jesus real questions with a sincere heart, the Lord always answered them just as we are compelled to, as well. (1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:) Why with meekness and fear, because we should realize that we are judged by our words, and whether we have studied and whether we can answer questions about life to others and direct them to the Answer Giver ...Jesus. And we are responsible if we say nothing and don't speak up as well. For by our words we are excused or condemned. Mathew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words (or lack of them) thou shalt be condemned. Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. (Prove it, Prove it, Prove it !!) Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: (And that sign was the sign of JESUS' birth and life and death. That's the only sign they need to find the truth) So we have no liability or responsibility to answer questions of prove it prove it prove it to those that don't want proofs. Let them find out life for themselves and get respect for others themselves. WE all responsible for our own actions and thoughts via our choices, so we each have to 'examine ourselves', and be honest with ourselves, for we shall meet our Maker, and He knows the thoughts and intents of our hearts, and knows we have all had the opportunity to find out His Answers. And if they don't want to seek and find out .... Tough That's their choice and their responsibility. In His Service David PS) So if any true seekers and sheep want to prove whether Jesus is real or not, and they have a sincere heart, it is proveable. All they have to do is ask Jesus to prove himself to them in prayer. If they do, He will give them the proof and the faith they need. Therefore if interesting in finding out. Do it and prove it for yourselves !! (Rim) (SEE Salvation) |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 9:10:22 GMT -6
Barbio, I notice you also are a moderator, which seems different because all the other moderaters have been saying that the Great Tribulation has started.. have you not seen this before. Hmmmm .. Or are you saying, they might be wrong or none of them ever stated this. Hmmm... interesting.... David, I've been watching the Revelation 12 [Sept 23 alignment] thing all along - and I've agreed with many people, but have from time to time disagreed with moderators and even the site administrator - but I have not seen a single moderator mention or say or imply that the Tribulation started on Sept 23.
There was a lot of speculation that it could possibly be the rapture - it was 2 days after Feast of Trumpets, and as you recall - we had the Great American Eclipse 40 days before Day of Atonement so in fairness to lots of people with lots of different opinions - it was a very high watch time.
After the 23rd came and went, many people still believed that there was more to happen with the sign and were looking for the dragon and the rapture when Jupiter exited Virgo. There are some who have said that the rapture will likely start the chain of events that leads up to the 7 year tribulation, but there is also speculation that there could be some gap between the rapture and the start of the temple/ and or the Gog of Magog war.
Lots of people ask for clarification - it doesn't mean that they are challenging you - they do that to me all the time ;-) - it usually means I didn't articulate a point clearly and they just want to understand / hear what I mean. As a verbal processer, I usually realize after I write and then see it, that I didn't say what I meant on the first take. You've mentioned a timeline multiple times -- but I've not seen if you have posted one - there are hundreds of various timelines just related to the 7 year tribulation, each with different focus. Are you referring to a visual one - like a chart or graph with events in order that they appear. I noticed you also mentioned two things happening - one on day of Atonement and one of Feast of Booths ?? I know both were feast days. ;-) But I'm curious how you arrived at that - because scripture doesn't say. I lean strongly that all the feasts point to the Messiah, and Paul said that the Feasts are a shadow of things to come - but the fact is that the Bible doesn't say explicitly that the rapture will happen on a feast day, or Armageddon, or the Second Coming. Can you clarify that, my friend?? Blessings,
Disciple4life.
Now back to your questions or better yet your groups speculations. And sorry to be blunt and direct, as time is short.... as not one of you have a timeline, so no offense, but as a Christian, I cant play games... it means you have not gotten any parameters or any events much less time frames on which to see ENDTIME unfoldments. I'm sure I will be accuse of being invalidating or someting or having the wrong tone by being direct. But so be it, I am responsible to the Lord first and foremost GAO... Gl***** are off. Therefore this speculation speculation without ever gaining ground, is ********. Lets say heart breaking... as you must have the wrong assumptions somewhere..other wise you would be seeing events rather than speculating these events are happening in heaven and NOT here on Earth. You cant place the Rapture because ******** , *****and therefore in your frustrations and not seeing any SIGNS, and not having a timeline, to continue to espouse or reject (if it doesnt apply) you just resort to looking up. Sorry again but thats not helpful, it doesnt help to just look UP, when you dont know when to look up and what to do before the Rapture actually takes place ..years from now, and I do mean years from now. The moderators are going to ban me for opposing pre trib, so be it. Im off to the mission fields again as I wish others HERE were doing rather than debating when the rapture is coming for them, they might consider rapturing in the present lost souls for His future KINGDOM. For whom the bells toll and the bells HERE are tolling for me.. and my departure, for differing with pre trib... Hence we have found out that post trib rsapture, get real and sacrifice now and witness now theology is not allowed HERE Onward Christian Soldier and Soldiers that want to fight for good and for the LIGHT..JESUS Amen ? Besides as time goes on, the nationalism in hard times will come out, and even more so in the futre I would be deemed unwelcome from oppsoing the future nationalism angle.. (when we are suppose to NOT be nationalistic) |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 9:16:57 GMT -6
You've mentioned a timeline multiple times -- but I've not seen if you have posted one - there are hundreds of various timelines just related to the 7 year tribulation, each with different focus. Are you referring to a visual one - like a chart or graph with events in order that they appear. I noticed you also mentioned two things happening - one on day of Atonement and one of Feast of Booths ?? I know both were feast days. ;-) But I'm curious how you arrived at that - because scripture doesn't say. I lean strongly that all the feasts point to the Messiah, and Paul said that the Feasts are a shadow of things to come - but the fact is that the Bible doesn't say explicitly that the rapture will happen on a feast day, or Armageddon, or the Second Coming. Can you clarify that, my friend?? Blessings,
Disciple4life.
But disciple for life, you say there are many timelines and Yes I have asked innumerable times if anyone has one, ad no one ever said they had one or knew of one. Why because a timeline would show events and times, and no one HERE wanted to stand behind one and defend one. Besides with pre trib Rapture theology, you dont need one, it apparently it can happen at any time and they just have to keep looking up, because they aren;t even in the End Time anyway. They think they get raptured and away from events and times...And its all about the Jews. I differ, they ask more and more questions in the wrong tone... and still I keep answering and answering, with ATS and ASAT they bring foreward/// but they dont answer my questions or their own questions... even when I ask them ever so nicely to do so in our nice un-invalidating posts to eah other. Eventually people have o come to some conlusions, and make some progress. Its called life and learning, going around and around, with obesrvatsions and never coming to real events and real times and real connections is not waht I would call progress. Thats my Opin***** Got to fly |
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 7, 2017 9:22:42 GMT -6
davidjayjordan, I like your logic a lot. Don't know if i completely agree, but wow i could get on board with that. Thanks wateredseeds, but I am on the way out willingly or unwillingly as I have new warnings against me for disagreeing with other posters.. and yet I thought in a debate or discussion we could differ with others. See my new signature... But if you are fighter for Jesus, and have the ba*** to battle against evil and tyranny and want to help the lost and feed the poor and rescue our brethren all over the woirld Good on ya, see you in the heavenlies as we are going to have the greatest party ever possible... Whaoooo... I'll drink to that. Pass the water of life or new wine.. Amen david and waterseeds gulph down another one... My brother, Your abbreviations are unclear / Confusing. - ATS ? GAO?? Some I'm still learning - IMO - in my opinion, AFAIK, As Far as I know, etc,.
**First off- I'm not defending Natalie- She's more than able to defend herself and very well. I'd also like to say - I don't pretend to speak for anyone else. I've been here a while and I've disagreed with the moderators and even the site administrator. ;-) It's not what you say, but how you say it that really matters. I've seen plenty of people disagree - without attacking the person, or making it seem that others are inferior.
I'm not saying you did that - but simply to say that it's not the case that people are kicked off for disagreeing. If there is any doubt, just read some of the rapture hypothesis threads, or virtually any one. That's the thing that makes this forum so great. We can disagree, and still be unified around the common things - the most important things. I'd say the coarse language is much more offensive than any disagreement. Another thing is that IMO you seem to say that I and others have said things that we did not say. The clearest example is your opinion that moderators and others on here have said that the Tribulation has started/ or that it started on 9/23. I could certainly be mistaken, because I just can't read all the thousands of posts -  But I don't know a single person who has said that -
Believe me - most people have a slightly different theory from others as to the exact order of things at the start of the Tribulation. Scripture doesn't say if there is a gap of one week, between the rapture and the Gog/Magog war, or the appearance of the AC or the Treaty between Israel and Many - or the start of the 3rd Temple.
**** That is because scripture doesn't say. Many believe that the rapture is First in the chain of events, and this is like a catalyst - a trigger event that lights the fuse - It starts the ball rolling, but it may not necessarily be simultaneous. It would trigger world-wide panic, fear, anarchy, rioting, and violence. Imagine the fear when tens of millions of babies and children are all missing from Atheist countries like Russia and China . Some think there will be a nuclear attack. Some think that the rapture corresponds with the Feasts. Some people believe there will be a massive earthquake - that triggers worldwide tsunamis. - We know the Tribulation is 7 years. - We know that we have an exact day count in Daniel and Revelation, for the first half and the second half, - we know that the Abomination of Desolation happens at the half way point. - We know there will be a real temple built, and it will be in Jerusalem. - and there will be sacrifices, and we know that Israel is involved, -We know that at the rapture - the dead in Christ will rise first, and all those who are alive and remain will be caught up - "Harpazo- Greek word, from Latin - Rapturo" to be snatched up quickly, by force. -We know that when the rapture happens, Christ comes For his Church in the clouds - and It's a Wedding celebration, and there will be a loud "blast of God's Trumpet". -We know that at the end of the Tribulation - Is the Second coming - and Christ comes WITH his Church, and he sets his feet on the Mt of Olives, and it's a time of Judgement. There's plenty of space to disagree about the Sept 23 alignment and what it means. ROFL. Some people believe firmly that Christ was going to come on Halloween. Others believe firmly that Christ is returning on Dec 31 because it's the Last Day of the year. I'm soundly in the camp of those who don't believe that. ;-) Some believe the earth is flat - I don't believe that. Some believe we can use Strong's concordance numbers as signs - confirmations. I'm soundly among those who don't believe that. That's OK.
Instead of focusing on Sept 23 sign, and what it meant, could you tell me - 1. if you believe in the rapture - harpazo? 2. and if so - when do you think it will occur, and 3. What scripture do you use to support this, 4. Is there other circumstantial evidence from history, science, or Jewish culture that sheds light on this. I'm really trying to understand.
Cordially, Your Tennessee brother in Poland, Disciple4life.
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But I don't know a single person who has said that -