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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 15:45:06 GMT -6
rt - sorry - I seem to have stuck my nose in where it didn't belong. I was not trying to say we weren't working as a team, per se. I just didn't communicate well what I was trying to say. I don't know - I guess I see things like: Or Meanwhile, I 'm reading along, not really contributing, and I agree with parts of what everyone is saying and disagree with other parts - but I'm not better in my knowledge than any of the rest of you. As a really hot button example - the 70 Weeks. There are some really good arguments to seeing those 70 weeks completely differently than most prophecy teachers do. There are some good biblical reasons to see them as already over. Now - without taking a stand one way or the other: One person could say that the person who sees these weeks as completed has no way to understand any of the prophetic word. But of course, if they are over, then the one who sees them as yet to be fulfilled would be the one who has no way to understand the prophetic word. If we could prove it one way or the other - great. But we can't. I wish I could convey what I mean here - I'm just of the opinion that we are missing much more than most of us think we are missing. There are too many different opinions. And each held so strongly. If it really was that clear - clear enough that we should be so adamant - wouldn't we agree more? This leaves me to wonder if our approach is broken. I love this group and love the debate. I also believe people can be right and others can be wrong. And I believe God will reveal the truth. But I'm trying to voice the birth of an idea that perhaps there is a different way we could attack the study. Not quite sure what that would be yet. Anyway - perhaps I'm over thinking it. Sorry, if I seem to be negative in what I said. That was not really my intention.
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 5, 2017 17:29:35 GMT -6
Very well said, rt.
I agree also, SK that we can't be dogmatic - there are simply many issues regarding eschatology that are not revealed - and we all see through a glass dimly. It wasn't until reading from other watchmen here and other places that I learned about the concept of passages having dual fulfillment. @sk, friend, you made a very great point!! - it's easy to assume that our way, must be the right way, and if my way is right, then clearly - Bob's way must be wrong - when in reality - both can be reconciled. One example - Ezekiel 38/38 has a dual fulfillment. Two separate events. ;-)
On many things - we speculate, guess and share ideas, and learn from others, and when the ideas are tested and flaws are exposed - we change them. With that said - there are also some people who form opinions based on faulty reasoning - or making spurious connections based on numerology - etc, etc. simply not following sound Biblical interpretation. That's why it's so important to filter/ weigh things through scripture.
I'll use this example - since it's not anyone on this thread  - nor anyone I know - SK mentioned that there are those who think the 70 weeks has passed. ?? ? I could be mistaken, but this seems like it necessarily means that the tribulation is already past?? A simple and straightforward reading of scripture shows that this is impossible - even if for a moment, we all completely put aside all rapture theories - pretend that it's not part of the equation.
So many things from Revelation and Daniel - from the building of the Temple, to the Abomination of Desolation, to the Anti-Christ, to the 2 witnesses, and the Mark of the Beast, and the 1/3 of all the trees dying, and 1/3 of all the plants dying, and 1/3 of the stars in heaven falling, and a massive, colossal hail, and the plagues, and an angel that flies over the whole earth sharing the gospel to every person, not to mention the total physical destruction of Damascus, so horrific that it is uninhabitable.
There is no way a person can follow basic principles of Biblical interpretation and say this is true based on scripture - none of these things have happened. In other words - it's possible people could have this opinion - as there are some who believe the earth is flat and that cats are better than dogs,  - but not supported by sound hermeneutics.
People might have different opinions about who is Magog, or who the witnesses are - Scripture gives us clues but doesn't say explicitly - who the AntiChrist is, or if there is a gap between the rapture and the start of the Tribulation, etc.
Regarding the Tribulation itself - there are multiple specific geographical, physical, and scientific/ geological and astronomical events that can be measured, observed, recorded and calculated, and we've not seen them.
Maranatha. Otter in Poland , fellow watchman - looking up !! Disciple4life ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 18:08:41 GMT -6
disciple4life - for those who say the 70 weeks may have already passed, they do not connect the tribulation to the seventieth week like other prophecy students do. It's a pretty straightforward theory and it has biblical and historical support. We have just been so accustomed to hearing the 70th week of Daniel as the tribulation period that we automatically connect the two. Once again I'm not taking a stand right now in this post. I have my opinion. But my point here is not to debate 70th week, but rather to say is there a different way that we, as a team, could approach things than the way we currently are? It is a proposal to brainstorm a new approach to team study that has not been done in the past. But I realize I shouldn't have put it in this thread. Anyway perhaps I'll start a new thread on this. I just want to get people thinking about it.
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 5, 2017 18:09:46 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with waiting and seeing and discerning
I TOTALLY AGREE.
We're suppose to be from Moussouri, they have to show us, we have to SEE and then well start to believe. Right NOW we dont have to have foresight, we can have hindsight, until it is blatantly obvious that the End Time has begun...
WAIT and SEE
Thats the way the Lord design the END TIMES. It gets heavier and heavier the longer we get into it.
Its not secret little pacts that investigative reporters divulge, etc etc.. its worldwide news that everybody knows about. Its not a little MARK here or there or potennial technology, its in your face and you must take the dam MARK or die.
Its not fine tuning in the START I.M.O.
The Lord does NOT expect everyone to have it right from the start and have brilliant foreknowledge before it is totally confirmed. Besides in the Beginning of the 7 years, we have TIME, we have time to discern and get prepared and get dialed in..
This is why my 20 timelines or so.... all start with the COVENANT, not a secret agreement or shady deal in the backrooms of politicians and priests.
WAIT for the COVENANT is my suggestion.
There are many possible timeline scenario’s before the Covenant of Daniel is signed, but there is one thing
for sure. All we have to do is WAIT until the World Wide Covenant signed by ten world powers is signed, for
that is the STARTING POINT of the LAST SEVEN YEARS OF DANIEL.
From that date, we can then start counting until the mid point of these LAST 7 YEARS. For it is then that
we have to GATHER before fleeing to Petra, the place where the Lord has prepared for us. For then shall be
GREAT TRIBULATION. The final events, the Second Coming, date of Armegeddon…etc. etc. are all very
interesting. But who really cares, we are fighting for our survival to the End in serving the Lord and standing
against the Anti-Christ, so what do we really care if we don’t know the exact day. WE just faithfully keep
serving HIM and fighting for the CAUSE, as we are not in the world, and part of the worldly BEAST system of
economics, politics, and religion. We have been sealed by the Lord, and have not taken the MARK of the
BEAST. WE have been gathered into His Encampment and are not working nine to five, but 24/7 for HIM.
So the COVENANT signing date is important to us, as then knowing the basic timeline of Daniel can be
counted out with almost exact certainty. The start of sacrificing before the Third temple will confirm our
timeline, so we have real certainty about the time frames of the Lord and where we are on His TIMELINE of
the END. Now we can speculate, but then we can be so much surer !!!
Matter of fact, we don’t have to have prophetic foreknowledge at all for these events, we can literally just
have easy hindsight understanding of what will have happened in current events. FIRST, a ten nation military,
economic, religious Covenant signed by ten world powers, and afterwards seven or eight months, the START
OF SACRIFICING before the THIRD TEMPLE of the JEWS.
(SEE TWO EASY HINDSIGHT SIGNPOSTS)
Let me first say prophecy was given by past prophets so the end time prophets would have a basis, a standard from which to
start so they can finnish. We can not scripturally say, all prophets are evil and false. The Lord shall raise up prophets in the End
Time, thinking other wise would surely make us false. So try the prophets and let them speak. ... forget this labeling and
name calling and just discuss prophecy and precepts.
Therefore let me share with you the Lord's easy HINDSIGHT prophetic markers, that unaware Christians can finnally see and
and recognize that will finnally get them moving away from trust in nationalism, church, politics, militaries etc. etc...
ONE.
Simple straightforward, the COVENANT is signed by TEN COUNTRIES. Come on nothing can be more blatant than the world
stage in ten countries signing the Covenant. That is such an easy basic event, that even the dumbest of dumb can NOT miss. Its in
Daniel and repeated in Revelation. It will take zero discernment to read about it in the news, and see it on TV. I say it takes the
Iranian war to melt them together into compliance.. .but whatever, first there has to be a COVENANT.
TWO
Secondly, according to the days of Daniel seven months later after the Covenant signing, the Jewish priesthood will START TO
SACRIFICE before their Temple, the 3rd temple. This can only be done after a PEACE has been established and a Covenant of
the militaries and governments signed and approved.
So then Christian brethren, all Christians better get busy because the written in stone timeline of the Last 7 years has started.
Forget needing to know when the Lord is coming back, for what you have to determine THEN, in the early years after the
SIGNING and SACRIFICING is when the Whore gets destroyed and your positioning as whether you are serving the Lord. For
you need to have been serving the Lord and figure out through prayer whether you will run to so called safe havens or whether
you GATHER as I would suggest, or whether you do nothing and just close your eyes.
The decisions are yours. But the first TWO events of End Time prophecy are extremely easy to discern.... They haven't
happenned so look for this TWO major MAJOR events.
IHS
David
PS ) Isn't it amazing how simple the Lord made prophecy so we could even
have hindsight rather than foresight on the first 2 major events.
David Jay Jordan
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So in the Beginning the Lord allows us to have hindsight and confirmations before we need foresight (before the central events happen)
Onward Christian Soldiers
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Post by rt on Dec 5, 2017 19:12:30 GMT -6
rt - sorry - I seem to have stuck my nose in where it didn't belong. I was not trying to say we weren't working as a team, per se. I just didn't communicate well what I was trying to say. I don't know - I guess I see things like: Or Meanwhile, I 'm reading along, not really contributing, and I agree with parts of what everyone is saying and disagree with other parts - but I'm not better in my knowledge than any of the rest of you. As a really hot button example - the 70 Weeks. There are some really good arguments to seeing those 70 weeks completely differently than most prophecy teachers do. There are some good biblical reasons to see them as already over. Now - without taking a stand one way or the other: One person could say that the person who sees these weeks as completed has no way to understand any of the prophetic word. But of course, if they are over, then the one who sees them as yet to be fulfilled would be the one who has no way to understand the prophetic word. If we could prove it one way or the other - great. But we can't. I wish I could convey what I mean here - I'm just of the opinion that we are missing much more than most of us think we are missing. There are too many different opinions. And each held so strongly. If it really was that clear - clear enough that we should be so adamant - wouldn't we agree more? This leaves me to wonder if our approach is broken. I love this group and love the debate. I also believe people can be right and others can be wrong. And I believe God will reveal the truth. But I'm trying to voice the birth of an idea that perhaps there is a different way we could attack the study. Not quite sure what that would be yet. Anyway - perhaps I'm over thinking it. Sorry, if I seem to be negative in what I said. That was not really my intention. Hold on there SK, I wasn't at all implying that you were sticking your head in where it didn't belong, I consider you to be adding to the debate, to the conversation as part of the team. However I would also say that there are times when to believe whatever you want is not okay, especially when it contradicts God's word or is simply an interpretation pulled out of thin air, with no scriptural backing at all. There are things that can be supported by scripture and that do not contradict it. There are other things that fall within gray areas, in the shadows where we do not have enough information to really pin anything down. These are fair game and can lead to some really interesting debates. If you are passionate about a 70th week interpretation that shows it has already been fulfilled then by all means start a thread to discuss it and show us how you arrive at that from scripture. I don't think our approach as a team is at all broken, it works well as long as we can disagree in love and not be sitting in judgment of others who see it differently. I happen to see that scripture is full of evidence that Israel as a nation will be restored through a future time of trouble, which I also believe occurs during the 70th week which in my own understanding has yet to be fulfilled. I have shown why I believe that using scripture. I do not think any less of a brother or sister in Christ who disagrees with me. In the end God knows, in the end I could be flat out wrong. I find that I learn so much from debating with others, in being driven to scripture and yes there have been times when I have had to amend my thoughts because others or scripture showed me how I was wrong. Iron sharpens iron. Do your study and defend why you believe what you believe with scripture. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts regarding the 70th week, I may not agree with you, and I will surely defend why I may not with the scripture. But when you are driven to study to support your defense then we come together and hopefully learn from each other. In the very least I find it helps me to understand the arguments that people put forth to support ideas I may not agree with and this helps me to understand them better and helps me build my own defense. To me it is invigorating and challenges me to study all the more. I hope that it drives others to do the same. Not that we should disagree for the sake of winning a debate, not at all, but to truly see if our ideas stand up under scrutiny, to have our theories tested and proven. Not to win but to learn and to hopefully come closer to understanding these difficult passages and prophecies. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 21:06:14 GMT -6
rt - I didn't feel as though you thought I was invading. Not at all. That was from my own mind. Also, I was just using the 70 weeks as a example. I was not even trying to signal out this forum. I am saying that after centuries of trying to figure this stuff out - other than some modern events occurring - we are no closer as a community of Christ to understanding what is coming. With today's knowledge and technology, could there be a better way? A new approach? A different mindset? Anyway, I'm letting it go at this point and will give it some thought and start a new thread if it sticks in my mind. Truly never meant anything negative toward anyone in this thread.
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 0:19:17 GMT -6
Lets get down to a truth... the majority or a group does not work out the End Time Prophecy according to Daniel himself... You want scriptures, I'll give you scriptures and direct prophecy..straight from Daniel. Prophecy is not by consensus........ The Lord shows His Prophet the truth and then 'that prophet' passes it on to His People.
As with Moses so with us. Miriam and Aaron thought they could over rule Moses, but the Lord smote them for their arrogance... and showed that Moses was His PROPHET
GAO... !!!
As for Daniel, its only revealed to the End Time Daniel..
Daniel 12King James Version (KJV)
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Those saved by Jesus whether before His Coming or after His Coming)
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (For salvation just means you get eternal life, and yet the majority did not follow or serve the Lord, so they will be eternally ashamed of their choices.. nevertheless they get resurrected. Tough love tough truth)
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (His words are sealed until the End Time))
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. (Angels of the Lord Jesus, the Messiah)
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. (WE Christians are there in Great Tribulation... FULL STOP.... 3.5 years, 42 months of trumpets, until the final TRUMP.... the LAST TRUMP which is Jesus's SECOND COMING)
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. (Sealed closed, people cant figure it out, as much as they try, and discuss and try to discern... they make a mess of it)
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.(Because we Christians go through the trails and testings and sufferings in the GREAT TRIBULATION... Deal with it rather than negating it.)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (2300 days after the starting of the sacrificing before the 3rd Temple, the Lord comes..... The Temple has not been built, the Covenant hasnt even been signed. The Great Tribulation could not have possibly started in September of this year)
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (45 days after His COMING, the Battle of Arm starts at Rosh Hannah and then ends on the Day of Atonement. If people make it through our onslaught of the wicked, then they are blessed and can live onward into the 1000 year reign.)
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
That wasnt the chapter I was looking for...nevertheless I wrote this so shall post it... but Daniel was told that in the endtime his predessor or Daniel of the End, would be the one that would understand all of what he said... Ill look further for that truth. Til then, consider the above
GAO... according to scriptures...NJMO
David
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 6, 2017 2:00:00 GMT -6
Who is saying that it started in September of this year?
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 7:56:56 GMT -6
Who is saying that it started in September of this year? Almost everyone present and posting... they use the term 9/23 and call it the GREAT SIGN of Revelation 12, and seem to think the GREAT TRIBULATION started then.. I differ, but they are rather adament about the date. But Heres a better tmeline of Revelation 12, especially for you Barbio as you are a woman and know your own cycle and reproductive harvest times MORE than most men. unsealed.boards.net/thread/1247/christmas-womens-reproductive-cycle-revelatiion?page=1&scrollTo=17143Merry Christmas for the timing is RIGHT |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 8:02:39 GMT -6
Who is saying that it started in September of this year? Barbio, I notice you also are a moderator, which seems different because all the other moderaters have been saying that the Great Tribulation has started.. have you not seen this before. Hmmmm .. Or are you saying, they might be wrong or none of them ever stated this. Hmmm... interesting.... |
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Post by Natalie on Dec 6, 2017 8:25:41 GMT -6
David, I think you are mistaken. No one here has said that the Tribulation has already started. What we know is that the sign of the woman in Rev 12:1-2 appeared in the heavens Sept 23. Many thought that it might be a sign that the rapture would take place at the Feast of Trumpets, but that was obviously not the case. So, we dove into Scripture and focused on watching for His return.
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Post by Natalie on Dec 6, 2017 8:33:03 GMT -6
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (45 days after His COMING, the Battle of Arm starts at Rosh Hannah and then ends on the Day of Atonement. If people make it through our onslaught of the wicked, then they are blessed and can live onward into the 1000 year reign.) GAO... according to scriptures...NJMO David I'm not up on all the abbreviations that get used now, so please what is GAO? I just wanted to ask more clarification for this one...verse 12. I would say that just using this Scripture, it is your opinion that the Battle is on Rosh Hashanah to DOA. I agree that according to Rev 19 that the Battle is at His return, but the Bible doesn't give us a day and duration. Unless you know of another Scripture? |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 8:57:53 GMT -6
David, I think you are mistaken. No one here has said that the Tribulation has already started. What we know is that the sign of the woman in Rev 12:1-2 appeared in the heavens Sept 23. Many thought that it might be a sign that the rapture would take place at the Feast of Trumpets, but that was obviously not the case. So, we dove into Scripture and focused on watching for His return. David puts his hand to his forehead....... thats not what I read, but if you are now saying you may have made a mistake and are now humbler on the subject, so be it But Natalie, looking for His Return or your Rapture, is again... David again puts his palm to his forehead.... useless and a waste of time.... to say the least. Looking for a rapture when theres been no Covenat, nop AD no AS or FP, 3rd temple, no nothing is wasting ones time. A simple timeline knowing the basic time frames and events would instantly bring you down to Earth and get you focused on witnessing and bring your eyes downward...until the timing is at least close. Someone must have made a simple timeline for you' after all this time spent studying. Someone must have some sort of timeline composed... As no offense because from what you just said, it sounds like you are back to SQUARE ONE not knowing any events or any timing and just looking upwards as if the Lord could come tommorrow... or today. Any one straight off the streets with no study behind them at all would then be exactly at your stage of understanding... according to what you have just indicated... but if you differ, then please do suggest what signs you do know and what order of events you do know... to help you know the Lords timing.. Verses would be nice, but to start with just a simple timeline of events would be sufficient, even if you dont know the time frames |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 9:04:27 GMT -6
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (45 days after His COMING, the Battle of Arm starts at Rosh Hannah and then ends on the Day of Atonement. If people make it through our onslaught of the wicked, then they are blessed and can live onward into the 1000 year reign.) GAO... according to scriptures...NJMO David I'm not up on all the abbreviations that get used now, so please what is GAO? Its just my personal abbreviation, I use sometimes to show I know the next postings.. G is for ****** A is for are, O is for ***I just wanted to ask more clarification for this one...verse 12. I would say that just using this Scripture, it is your opinion that the Battle is on Rosh Hashanah to DOA. I agree that according to Rev 19 that the Battle is at His return, but the Bible doesn't give us a day and duration. Unless you know of another Scripture? MY opinions are backed by my mutitude of scripures and graphics and timelines, but you stated I couldnt write IN MY OPINION so I now write ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES.
and then have posted GOA....
All Opinions aren't Equal
Plato was right when he said that there were four levels of intelligence. Firstly there are those with no opinions, almost
total vacuums, who have never really thought about life and what's happening. Then there are those that have drawn up
opinions and even theorized on other matters. The only problem being that they have never gone very far with their
opinions and haven't based them on facts but on what their personal interests are, or on their feelings. So many times,
someone's opinion is just that ….. as it isn't based on real principles and the real world. And consequently all opinions
aren't equal. because no matter what are opinions are, they aren;t going to change truths that are independant of our
thoughts about them.
For the third level is knowledge as Plato found out. Because in order to have reasonable opinions we have to base our
opinions upon knowledge. We have to learn and study life, but knowledge itself is merely details and trivia that have to be
formulated by real experiences. Knowledge is more like facts and figures, and isolated id-bits of information. But to get to
the fourth and highest level called Wisdom, we have to know how to use the Knowledge we have accumulated.
Wisdom tells us when and where and how to apply the knowledge we have gained. It gives us discernment and down-to-
earth practical advice for ourselves and others. It isn't pie in the sky, but WISDOM, here and now. Wisdom gives us the
ability to make wise decisions, rather than choosing foolishly. It is not dependant on what others do, but on what we
personally decide to do. It isn't superficial or short term but long term, weighing the consequences of our actions upon
others and ourselves.
And where do we get wisdom, well in my opinion and from scriptures, Wisdom comes from the Lord because He is
Wisdom, and His Holy Spirit speaks only His Wisdom (John 14)….. if we choose to listen. We might get it when young
or old or at any time when we honestly try to find out what's happening in life. And it all starts with a Fear and respect
for the Lord. For as it says in Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom
and instruction. So we have to seek to find.
Therefore if any miss this first step, it is much harder to get it later, because again wisdom is built on wisdom. Why
because as the Prophet Isaiah said."For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon
line; here a little, and there a little: (Isa. 28:10).
And yet it doesn't have to take ages or much time at all to get wisdom, as the young can be wiser than the old. For "Out of
the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou (the Lord) ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still
the enemy and the avenger." (Psalm 8: 2) Why because they have simple faith and don't know it all and ask the Lord for
wisdom. They fulfill James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men (and women and
children) liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him (or them or any).
So are all opinions the same and do they all carry the same weight … NO. The more our opinions coincide with the
truths of the Lord and the real physical and spiritual world, the more our opinions are to be valued. The more our
opinions are the same opinions as the Lord, the more powerful they are, and the more they will help us and others in the
future.
In My Opinion
David Jay Jordan
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 9:26:36 GMT -6
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (45 days after His COMING, the Battle of Arm starts at Rosh Hannah and then ends on the Day of Atonement. If people make it through our onslaught of the wicked, then they are blessed and can live onward into the 1000 year reign.) GAO... according to scriptures...NJMO David I'm not up on all the abbreviations that get used now, so please what is GAO? I just wanted to ask more clarification for this one...verse 12. I would say that just using this Scripture, it is your opinion that the Battle is on Rosh Hashanah to DOA. I agree that according to Rev 19 that the Battle is at His return, but the Bible doesn't give us a day and duration. Unless you know of another Scripture? Fair question, as I did know all about holy day correspondences and knew surely there must be a corelation....somewhere .... somehow The scenario of events is through scriptures..... so I knew the scenario of events.... and knew all the timeframes had to comehow fit together as the Lord is exact and exactly knew the dates and times.... so mathematically as a math type and science type I used a DAY COUNTER. www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadd.htmlYou plug in your original starting date, in my case August 10 2018 for various reasons, some of which I will not tell you about... but some of which I posted and started by thresad concerning Regulus Timing, Leo and Leonoids and the heart of the King and End Time Kings birthday. It coincided exactly when plugging in the values exactly to Rosh Hanah and Yom Kippur in 2025.... and made sense... Fridays and passover dates aligned with exactness included Friday evening type corelations for the Sabbath as lunar scheduling is also involved... as well as solar timing in complete Earth Revolutions.... even though Joshua stopped it once with his prayers. SO I have concluded mathematically and scripturally, that they must be exact or very very close. Do note I included the variable of 3.5 days....as that is the time frame of ...you know that one.. Revelation 11 as the Two prophets. the Two Christian prophets are dead for 3.5 days, as our End Time King has fulfilled his extended 70 years for another seven years as hyperlinked and explained via the SEVENTY YEARS OF MOSES and DAVID, and doesnt make it it seems to his 78th birthday as they are killed on the steps of the 3rd temple. So there is a slight variance possible there. I can be wrong, but time will tell... in about ten months For now, I await the easy to discern Mid East War and the first SIGN the signing of the Covenant.. I say August 10th plus or minus 3.5 days. Dioes that explain the process, its an exactness using a counting of days... for after the Covenant is signed we can literally count the days til the Rapture 2555 days, party for 45 days and return and do battle for 10 days.. the Day of Atonement and the Earth shall amost be ready for rehabitation and cleansing for the Lords rule and REIGN Rev 12 concerns the mid point or start of Great tribulation and is far off, about 51 months away ATSIMO..... LIJ David You asked I answered... as we are compelled to answer him or her that asketh of us.... |
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- nor anyone I know - SK mentioned that there are those who think the 70 weeks has passed. ?? ? I could be mistaken, but this seems like it necessarily means that the tribulation is already past?? 
- but not supported by sound hermeneutics. 
